Boxing: Nonito Donaire vs Jason Moloney - page 9.

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I think that there will be enough time for Donaire if him and his team chooses to weigh down. But if Moloney is already good with the said bout then it's okay for Donaire to take a stop over first and have this match.

And whether he wins or losses then he can proceed to the weighing down and another division that he may want to dominate before he entirely retires for it.

The reason why Donaire considers moving down weight is that no chance at all to take a title shot at the Bantamweight as Inoue is really a monster.

Since Inoue moved up, Donaire shifted gears and accept the mandatory bout for the vacant WBC Bantamweight title as a Rank 2 contender.

Donaire doesn't experience much big trouble in keeping up with the required weight in his entire boxing career. Regardless if he will fight on Super Lightweight or stay in Bantamweight, no problem at all regarding weight.

Yes, he might not have a problem, but it can pose a threat to his body as he is not getting any younger. But it's better for him to stay at 118 lbs, I think this weight is perfect for him. We have seen him knocking out his opponents and even goes to the finals with Inoue at the WBSS tournament. But I do agree that he target 115 lbs because Inoue has beaten him. And now that Inoue moves up, Donaire should be fine with this division again and could be the champion next if ever he beats Moloney.

At his age now, he has to stay at the weight that he is most comfortable with. This will be his last attempt to become a champion again, and I believe he will not stay long defending the title as he is not getting any younger, it will be pride for him that he will retire as a champion. Of course not only him but for the Filipinos that are following and supporting his career as a boxer.

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Quote from: harizen on January 28, 2023, 07:33:26 AM

Quote from: livingfree on January 27, 2023, 10:28:38 PM

I think that there will be enough time for Donaire if him and his team chooses to weigh down. But if Moloney is already good with the said bout then it's okay for Donaire to take a stop over first and have this match.

And whether he wins or losses then he can proceed to the weighing down and another division that he may want to dominate before he entirely retires for it.

The reason why Donaire considers moving down weight is that no chance at all to take a title shot at the Bantamweight as Inoue is really a monster.

Since Inoue moved up, Donaire shifted gears and accept the mandatory bout for the vacant WBC Bantamweight title as a Rank 2 contender.

Donaire doesn't experience much big trouble in keeping up with the required weight in his entire boxing career. Regardless if he will fight on Super Lightweight or stay in Bantamweight, no problem at all regarding weight.

Yes, he might not have a problem, but it can pose a threat to his body as he is not getting any younger. But it's better for him to stay at 118 lbs, I think this weight is perfect for him. We have seen him knocking out his opponents and even goes to the finals with Inoue at the WBSS tournament. But I do agree that he target 115 lbs because Inoue has beaten him. And now that Inoue moves up, Donaire should be fine with this division again and could be the champion next if ever he beats Moloney.

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Quote from: livingfree on January 27, 2023, 10:28:38 PM

I think that there will be enough time for Donaire if him and his team chooses to weigh down. But if Moloney is already good with the said bout then it's okay for Donaire to take a stop over first and have this match.

And whether he wins or losses then he can proceed to the weighing down and another division that he may want to dominate before he entirely retires for it.

The reason why Donaire considers moving down weight is that no chance at all to take a title shot at the Bantamweight as Inoue is really a monster.

Since Inoue moved up, Donaire shifted gears and accept the mandatory bout for the vacant WBC Bantamweight title as a Rank 2 contender.

Donaire doesn't experience much big trouble in keeping up with the required weight in his entire boxing career. Regardless if he will fight on Super Lightweight or stay in Bantamweight, no problem at all regarding weight.

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Quote from: chaser15 on January 28, 2023, 05:54:37 AM

It's always the age concern when Donaire has a fight. It's impossible for his doubters they will not to include that age matters.

On what fight we didn't hear that age concern? Of course, we won't include Inoue in our analysis as he's really on a top level and no one from the bantamweight is able to defeat him although Donaire is the only bantamweight that gives Inoue a serious beating on the Monster's career.

Let's start with Donaire after losing Inoue. He faced the WBC Champion Nordine Oubaali. Donaire was 38 years old at that time. As usual, before the fight, others say that Donaire was too old to fight as he loses to Inoue. But the result? He won against the 34 years old Ouballi and even knocked this guy 4 times. His next fight is against a much younger and fellow Filipino Reymart Gaballo who is 24 years old at that time and currently in prime. And as usual again, others also pointed out that Donaire is too old on that fight at 39 years old but the result is, he won against that young and prime boxer and knocked him out in just 4th round.

Jason Moloney is a good test for Donaire if he can still match with top bantamweight at his age.

You can't really disregard Donaire's age in his future fights. It will always be a question because obviously, as humans become older, they tend to lose some of their endurance, strength, and mobility generally. What more in fights wherein a lot of strain is put in the body of the fighter? But yeah, with age comes experience, and this is what Donaire uses to edge against his opponents that, so far, is working so well even though he didn't got to bet Inoue.

Even Manny Pacquiao got old before the legend hung up his gloves. He was still active and his punches still pack a lot of power, but his speed was noticeably slower and yet he still managed to not get knocked out on his last fights.

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It's always the age concern when Donaire has a fight. It's impossible for his doubters they will not to include that age matters.

On what fight we didn't hear that age concern? Of course, we won't include Inoue in our analysis as he's really on a top level and no one from the bantamweight is able to defeat him although Donaire is the only bantamweight that gives Inoue a serious beating on the Monster's career.

Let's start with Donaire after losing Inoue. He faced the WBC Champion Nordine Oubaali. Donaire was 38 years old at that time. As usual, before the fight, others say that Donaire was too old to fight as he loses to Inoue. But the result? He won against the 34 years old Ouballi and even knocked this guy 4 times. His next fight is against a much younger and fellow Filipino Reymart Gaballo who is 24 years old at that time and currently in prime. And as usual again, others also pointed out that Donaire is too old on that fight at 39 years old but the result is, he won against that young and prime boxer and knocked him out in just 4th round.

Jason Moloney is a good test for Donaire if he can still match with top bantamweight at his age.

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Quote from: goinmerry on January 26, 2023, 06:59:09 PM

The last title shot of Nonito Donaire in his career. He needs to win this as another achievement on his legacy.

Yes, this is his last shot, all or nothing for him so he better win this fight to be able to cement his legacy.

Quote from: goinmerry on January 26, 2023, 06:59:09 PM

Donaire already experienced fighting a monster, not once but twice, and was able to give that monster the toughest fight of its career. Moloney is not even close to the level of that monster. I will favor Donaire here to win the match.

Not just that, he has the tools, he might be old, but he still carry one of the best weapon in his left hook. I think he has perfected that power punch, it's like Roy Jones Jr, checked left hook, very fast and the timing as well when he throws that and it really hit the target.

That's why he has knockout a lot of great fighters with that signature checkered left hook he developed throughout his career.

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Quote from: PX-Z on January 26, 2023, 03:57:34 PM

That's a good decision but too risky, dropping weight class and maintaining it until the day you fight is way more risker than adding weight especially with his current age imo. But if ever he successfully claim that title fight then that's good a feet for retirement only known people get 5 division titles in the history of boxing.

I think that there will be enough time for Donaire if him and his team chooses to weigh down. But if Moloney is already good with the said bout then it's okay for Donaire to take a stop over first and have this match.

And whether he wins or losses then he can proceed to the weighing down and another division that he may want to dominate before he entirely retires for it.

Yup, it will be depending on how Donaire's team sees their opportunities and advantages. I also think that it will be good
for them to assess and see what will be the best option.

He's currently away after that defeat from the rematch against Inoue, so he has a lot of time
to prepare and make his comeback.

Having a belt when you decide to retire is a good addition to your legacy, or maybe he will take
another money fight if his camp still thinks that he is still capable.

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Quote from: PX-Z on January 26, 2023, 03:57:34 PM

That's a good decision but too risky, dropping weight class and maintaining it until the day you fight is way more risker than adding weight especially with his current age imo. But if ever he successfully claim that title fight then that's good a feet for retirement only known people get 5 division titles in the history of boxing.

I think that there will be enough time for Donaire if him and his team chooses to weigh down. But if Moloney is already good with the said bout then it's okay for Donaire to take a stop over first and have this match.

And whether he wins or losses then he can proceed to the weighing down and another division that he may want to dominate before he entirely retires for it.

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Quote from: dothebeats on January 26, 2023, 09:07:51 AM

Even if he wins this bout, I think his camp would probably urge him to retire, or accept one last rematch against Moloney and then call it quits. Tbh Donaire is not getting any younger, and his reflexes are certainly slowing down which may even be dangerous for his health as one fatal blow could potentially mess up his life. Best to hang the gloves after this fight no matter the outcome if he wants to enjoy what he's built over the years in his boxing career.

His camp has no power to influence his decision because, after all, it's his wife who is acting as his handler.

They will just continue to fight if there's an opportunity. Since this is a big opportunity, they grab it right away.

Only if Donaire will lose they will consider hanging his gloves.

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Quote from: YOSHIE on January 24, 2023, 09:37:15 AM

From my assessment between Jason Moloney vs. Nonito Donaire will be clashing next February, for now they have both been crowned WBC belt contenders.
In my personal assessment:
1. Moloney is younger than Donaire, 32/40.
2. Moloney with a record (25-2, 19 KOs) and Donaire (41-6 (27 KOs).

As far as I know, recently Donaire has often lost in boxing, if I'm not mistaken Donaire has experienced 7 defeats during his boxing career, maybe it's the age factor or other things, while Moloney during his boxing career has experienced 2 defeats, you could say both boxers are cage champions, different from other boxers in general, maybe this fight is a moment to fight for his future international boxing career.

But my prediction is fist between Jason Moloney vs. Nonito Donaire ends boxing by decision D.

A good comparison there, but I believe at the age of Donaire, he still has the power to KO his opponent, and Moloney doesn't have a sturdy chin to resist heavy punches. So I believe a solid connection to the chin of Moloney can make him kiss the canvas. Donaire's 7 defeat isn't a consecutive one but a defeat of his entire career. He maybe lost 2x against Inoue but we all know Inoue is a monster, besides Moloney is also defeated by Inoue.

It is either a KO or a decision win for Donaire for me. Grin

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Quote from: Hypnosis00 on January 26, 2023, 08:10:39 AM

However, as I said, my prediction is this is going to end in the judges scorecards, and I'm afraid the decision will not be in Donaire's favor.

Even if Donaire is the clear winner of the match?

I don't see some possible cheating here as Jason Moloney is not considered a cash cow or being protected fully by some higher folks out there. I will predict at 100% that this match will be fair and square, with no rumor of any manipulations or form of cheating in the result.

If Donaire will end up losing this match in the Decision, then maybe he ends up with the low scorecard for real and Moloney did a great job.

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Quote from: goinmerry on January 26, 2023, 06:59:09 PM

The last title shot of Nonito Donaire in his career. He needs to win this as another achievement on his legacy.

Nonito Donaire is the oldest bantamweight boxer who managed to get the WBC Bantamweight Title when he KO Nordine Oubaali. He was 38 years old at that time. Fast forward and currently, at 40 years old, we can fairly say that he still got a chance to take another shot at the title and he should have fairly handled Jason Moloney.

Donaire already experienced fighting a monster, not once but twice, and was able to give that monster the toughest fight of its career. Moloney is not even close to the level of that monster. I will favor Donaire here to win the match.

Good comparison and same here, I'm also rooting for Donaire to win against Moloney. Certainly not because of some pity as this might be Donaire's last title approach but because I know that he can still handle this fight well and might give a knockout as just like you've said, Moloney isn't in the same league with Inoue, so that will give him a slights upper hand as he also got more experience.

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Quote from: goinmerry on January 26, 2023, 06:59:09 PM

The last title shot of Nonito Donaire in his career. He needs to win this as another achievement on his legacy.

Nonito Donaire is the oldest bantamweight boxer who managed to get the WBC Bantamweight Title when he KO Nordine Oubaali. He was 38 years old at that time. Fast forward and currently, at 40 years old, we can fairly say that he still got a chance to take another shot at the title and he should have fairly handled Jason Moloney.

Donaire already experienced fighting a monster, not once but twice, and was able to give that monster the toughest fight of its career. Moloney is not even close to the level of that monster. I will favor Donaire here to win the match.

The fight hasn't happened yet. Fighting still in his 40s against Moloney who also has a high KO rate is going to be risky for him. They both share a loss against Inoue though.

If Donaire wins, you can only conclude he would have beaten Inoue if they fight in Donaire's prime. If the odds favor Moloney, it definitely is a sign for Donaaire to retire. Due to the love of the sport fighters don't retire and I hate to say this but it sometimes needs a knockout to realize.

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Donaire just won't stop boxing despite his age. I think he will lose this one to Moloney. Donaire has the power, although it must have decreased a bit because he's already 40. But he still could knock Moloney down, but probably not out. However, he doesn't anymore have the speed that made him the Filipino Flash. And because he's still more of a counter-puncher, I think Moloney can handle him pretty well. If Moloney goes down, Donaire doesn't have the bloodlust to finish him off right there and then.

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The last title shot of Nonito Donaire in his career. He needs to win this as another achievement on his legacy.

Nonito Donaire is the oldest bantamweight boxer who managed to get the WBC Bantamweight Title when he KO Nordine Oubaali. He was 38 years old at that time. Fast forward and currently, at 40 years old, we can fairly say that he still got a chance to take another shot at the title and he should have fairly handled Jason Moloney.

Donaire already experienced fighting a monster, not once but twice, and was able to give that monster the toughest fight of its career. Moloney is not even close to the level of that monster. I will favor Donaire here to win the match.

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^^ True, but if Donaire can still fight at this point, the only roadblocks for him is Inoue. All other champions and ranked fighter in 118 lbs? he beat them. So I would say that he has that mold and breed of probably Manny Pacquiao for longevity and skills.

I do agree that there are ability that you can lose as you age, but then again, Donaire uses more of his IQ, the way he set up his opponent. He is setting them up for his huge left hook that's why he still can knock people out with that one punch.

He has the speed
He has the good technical skills
He had a footwork

But all of these things are decreasing in efficiency as he do gets older.Its true that we've seen on what he lacks when he face up Inoue but doesnt mean that he wouldn't
really make some good fight.He do withstood for long rounds on where other people been speculating that it would be a TKO on few rounds which it didnt happen.
Lets talk about into his upcoming fight which i could say it would be a similar or in near with Inoue type of fighter but not really that powerful.

stamina is his maybe his biggest challenge as he is growing older. technical skills and all, he has them. however, you can't avoid the aging factor, just like the last fight of pacquiao. well, we can never tell the true condition of their body up until they are inside the ring. but if donaire is continuously conditioning his body, i bet can he easily beat moloney. let's see...

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Quote from: Baofeng on January 26, 2023, 05:13:58 PM

^^ True, but if Donaire can still fight at this point, the only roadblocks for him is Inoue. All other champions and ranked fighter in 118 lbs? he beat them. So I would say that he has that mold and breed of probably Manny Pacquiao for longevity and skills.

I do agree that there are ability that you can lose as you age, but then again, Donaire uses more of his IQ, the way he set up his opponent. He is setting them up for his huge left hook that's why he still can knock people out with that one punch.

He has the speed
He has the good technical skills
He had a footwork

But all of these things are decreasing in efficiency as he do gets older.Its true that we've seen on what he lacks when he face up Inoue but doesnt mean that he wouldn't
really make some good fight.He do withstood for long rounds on where other people been speculating that it would be a TKO on few rounds which it didnt happen.
Lets talk about into his upcoming fight which i could say it would be a similar or in near with Inoue type of fighter but not really that powerful.

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^^ True, but if Donaire can still fight at this point, the only roadblocks for him is Inoue. All other champions and ranked fighter in 118 lbs? he beat them. So I would say that he has that mold and breed of probably Manny Pacquiao for longevity and skills.

I do agree that there are ability that you can lose as you age, but then again, Donaire uses more of his IQ, the way he set up his opponent. He is setting them up for his huge left hook that's why he still can knock people out with that one punch.

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Quote from: YOSHIE on January 24, 2023, 09:37:15 AM

From my assessment between Jason Moloney vs. Nonito Donaire will be clashing next February, for now they have both been crowned WBC belt contenders.
In my personal assessment:
1. Moloney is younger than Donaire, 32/40.
2. Moloney with a record (25-2, 19 KOs) and Donaire (41-6 (27 KOs).

As far as I know, recently Donaire has often lost in boxing, if I'm not mistaken Donaire has experienced 7 defeats during his boxing career, maybe it's the age factor or other things, while Moloney during his boxing career has experienced 2 defeats, you could say both boxers are cage champions, different from other boxers in general, maybe this fight is a moment to fight for his future international boxing career.

But my prediction is fist between Jason Moloney vs. Nonito Donaire ends boxing by decision D.

I guess we can argue that age sometimes doesn't matter in boxing. We have seen Manny proved that against Keith Thurman.

Donaire's lost with some of the best boxer, and like when he tries to move up in the division facing bigger opponents. And the last time is against the Monster Inoue twice, so he has been facing the best opponents even as he age.

So I will give Donaire a chance in this fight and this could end in a knockout, if he can time Moloney and hit him with his vaunted left hook.

But I think the age factor is also an important supporting factor.
Not all boxers can be compared to Manny, right?

Movement reaction ability and punch speed will naturally decline with age.
Not to mention the injury factor due to the battles they had been through before.

Donaire is indeed great and has a lot of fighting experience but Moloney has the advantage that he is still at his prime in my opinion.
Even though it's like that I still hope Donaire is in top shape and beats Moloney.

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Quote from: inthelongrun on January 24, 2023, 07:51:24 AM

Meanwhile, Donaire's earlier target is to drop in weight and face El Gallo Estrada for his ambition to become a 5 division world champion. We will see if old Donaire entertains this fight as he was already a 2-time champion in this division and he's got a few more fights left in his career.

That's a good decision but too risky, dropping weight class and maintaining it until the day you fight is way more risker than adding weight especially with his current age imo. But if ever he successfully claim that title fight then that's good a feet for retirement only known people get 5 division titles in the history of boxing.

This could be the game plan before he retires and he can actually achieve it, he just need to sacrifice a lot just to maintain his weight and achieve this goal. Donaire is still a good boxer at his age, he can still offer a good fight but probably win or lose, this could be his last fight. Anyway, there’s no formal announcement yet so its hard to speculate what’s really the plan of Donnaire, but I’m sure he will still fight.

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