[ BOXING POLL ADDED ] The Rematch - JOSHUA vs USYK II (updated thread) - page 14.

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Quote from: Rufsilf on October 27, 2021, 12:53:08 AM

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People are losing faith in him because things have not been great for Joshua in the last fights, he lost against Ruiz which was one of the biggest upsets in the history of boxing and he did not looked good at all during the fight, it is true he won the rematch but he did not won by destroying Ruiz or anything like that, so while the win was deserved no one was impressed by it, and now he was completely dominated by Usyk, so people are not confident at all he can win the rematch against Usyk.

Sure. Even if we assume that Joshua will be lucky and will be able to defeat Usyk (in super heavyweights there is always a chance for an unexpected knockout), this will not change the fact that in the next match against Fury he will be an obvious underdog and such a fight is unlikely to cause a lot of excitement.

Indeed Joshua have lost his face in the crowd during his fight with Ruiz and also against Usyk in their last match.

He bounce back against Ruiz by beating Ruiz in the rematch, and now he will face Usyk again in a rematch, so let's see if he can do the same.
AJ changed his coach as he is looking to be better in the rematch, and that's another thing to watch out as he is serious, and I think he has a chance here but no chance for Fury.

Quote from: Rufsilf on October 27, 2021, 12:53:08 AM

No one believes in him anymore that he'll win against Usyk this time except his team ofcourse. And even if Joshua will fortunately win this time, he'll eventually lose against Tyson Fury and will definitely teach him.

I kinda excited to watch Usyk against Fury tho, these two fighters is much more entertaining to watch.

I do, I still believe that he will win against Usyk, he was the bigger fighter (though not quick enough) and he can impose his length if he'll learn a new technique under the new coach.

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Quote from: KTChampions on October 23, 2021, 07:23:36 AM

Quote from: South Park on October 22, 2021, 05:45:31 PM

People are losing faith in him because things have not been great for Joshua in the last fights, he lost against Ruiz which was one of the biggest upsets in the history of boxing and he did not looked good at all during the fight, it is true he won the rematch but he did not won by destroying Ruiz or anything like that, so while the win was deserved no one was impressed by it, and now he was completely dominated by Usyk, so people are not confident at all he can win the rematch against Usyk.

Sure. Even if we assume that Joshua will be lucky and will be able to defeat Usyk (in super heavyweights there is always a chance for an unexpected knockout), this will not change the fact that in the next match against Fury he will be an obvious underdog and such a fight is unlikely to cause a lot of excitement.

Indeed Joshua have lost his face in the crowd during his fight with Ruiz and also against Usyk in their last match. No one believes in him anymore that he'll win against Usyk this time except his team ofcourse. And even if Joshua will fortunately win this time, he'll eventually lose against Tyson Fury and will definitely teach him.

I kinda excited to watch Usyk against Fury tho, these two fighters is much more entertaining to watch.

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^ Yep, it will be totally on Joshua's shoulder to tweak his training and of course his mind that he can win and beat Usyk at his best performance.

So it might be a good risk on his side to switch to state side trainer, maybe they can show him drills and lessons and of course new fighting techniques that can harness his strengths so that he can beat Usyk in the rematch. Those trainers mentioned are world class, so he can't go wrong with anyone in the list.

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There are reports circulating around that Joshua is shopping for a new coach as he has visited a lot of hype profile gyms in the States and reported that he did talk to many great coaches with the likes of Eddy Reynoso (Canelo's trainer) and then Robert Garcia's gym, Virgil Hunter, And Ronnie Shields. And it seems that the split with his long time trainer Rob McCracken is inevitable.

https://www.boxingscene.com/joshua-explains-current-training-situation-interested-expanding-team--161522

That's a lot of quality trainers that he has visited, not sure though if Reynoso will be a good fit since he doesn't speak English very well.

I would go with Virgil and Ronnie here, two great boxers that will be a perfect match for Joshua. Virgil trained Andre Ward. And Ronnie being a ex-boxer in the 80's and been training a lot of great boxers. If I'm not mistaken, he used to have the Charlo brothers and these two are world champions.

Not really sure if "you can teach old dog a new trick here".

In any case, it might be good for Joshua will have a new trainer, fresh breathe, new air in a gym, with new trainer that can help him improved his style specially against a technical boxer like Usyk who is also light on his fight and moves a lot. Let's see who's Joshua's choices here, probably boils down to Virgil and Ronnie.

I agree that it is hard to teach an old dog a new trick. This is going to be Joshua's challenge. But he has to adjust. He has to do something. It is hard, even impossible, to bend a full grown tree but he really needs to try. This is largely on Joshua actually. But the change of coach will certainly be of help. It indeed freshens up things. There will be new perspectives, new approaches, new strategies, etc and hopefully as a result a new kind of fighter.

If Joshua will still be defeated here, he'll probably be facing the beginning of the end of his career.

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Quote from: TravelMug on October 26, 2021, 06:42:39 PM

Quote from: Yaunfitda on October 26, 2021, 06:32:03 PM

There are reports circulating around that Joshua is shopping for a new coach as he has visited a lot of hype profile gyms in the States and reported that he did talk to many great coaches with the likes of Eddy Reynoso (Canelo's trainer) and then Robert Garcia's gym, Virgil Hunter, And Ronnie Shields. And it seems that the split with his long time trainer Rob McCracken is inevitable.

https://www.boxingscene.com/joshua-explains-current-training-situation-interested-expanding-team--161522

That's a lot of quality trainers that he has visited, not sure though if Reynoso will be a good fit since he doesn't speak English very well.

I would go with Virgil and Ronnie here, two great boxers that will be a perfect match for Joshua. Virgil trained Andre Ward. And Ronnie being a ex-boxer in the 80's and been training a lot of great boxers. If I'm not mistaken, he used to have the Charlo brothers and these two are world champions.

Not really sure if "you can teach old dog a new trick here".

In any case, it might be good for Joshua will have a new trainer, fresh breathe, new air in a gym, with new trainer that can help him improved his style specially against a technical boxer like Usyk who is also light on his fight and moves a lot. Let's see who's Joshua's choices here, probably boils down to Virgil and Ronnie.

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Quote from: Yaunfitda on October 26, 2021, 06:32:03 PM

There are reports circulating around that Joshua is shopping for a new coach as he has visited a lot of hype profile gyms in the States and reported that he did talk to many great coaches with the likes of Eddy Reynoso (Canelo's trainer) and then Robert Garcia's gym, Virgil Hunter, And Ronnie Shields. And it seems that the split with his long time trainer Rob McCracken is inevitable.

https://www.boxingscene.com/joshua-explains-current-training-situation-interested-expanding-team--161522

That's a lot of quality trainers that he has visited, not sure though if Reynoso will be a good fit since he doesn't speak English very well.

I would go with Virgil and Ronnie here, two great boxers that will be a perfect match for Joshua. Virgil trained Andre Ward. And Ronnie being a ex-boxer in the 80's and been training a lot of great boxers. If I'm not mistaken, he used to have the Charlo brothers and these two are world champions.

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There are reports circulating around that Joshua is shopping for a new coach as he has visited a lot of hype profile gyms in the States and reported that he did talk to many great coaches with the likes of Eddy Reynoso (Canelo's trainer) and then Robert Garcia's gym, Virgil Hunter, And Ronnie Shields. And it seems that the split with his long time trainer Rob McCracken is inevitable.

https://www.boxingscene.com/joshua-explains-current-training-situation-interested-expanding-team--161522

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Quote from: cryptomaniac_xxx on October 23, 2021, 03:59:37 PM

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Quote from: Natalim on October 15, 2021, 07:56:13 AM

No doubt for me too, but Usyk vs Fury, I think Fury will win the match.

Fury is a master manipulator in the ring, his skill level is on another level and his jaw is unbreakable. No one could survive the punches Wilder landed and yet Fury survived all of his punches which is unbelievable and against Usyk it would be epic if he able to win the rematch. If Fury faces Joshua, he will school him Cheesy

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I wouldn't say that his jaw is unbreakable, Wilder already break that chin, what he has is a good recuperating power from those punches that knock him down. Maybe he has a strong neck, absorbs that punch, goes down and then recover in less than 10 seconds. But yes, we all know that Joshua will be no match for Fury's technical boxing skills and power in both hands.

Everyone is waiting for this Joshua vs Usyk re-match as whoever wins will more likely face Fury.
For the betting odds, definitely, bookies will favor Fury when that happens.
So don't know if there will be change in results with this Joshua-Usyk II.
Can Joshua alter the results this time or not, and accept the fact?

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Quote from: fortunecrypto on October 18, 2021, 11:25:20 PM

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The heavyweight will be less exciting without Fury and Fury already said in one interview that training in boxing is a good stress reliever and helps him not to fall into depression again, and besides, there's still huge money to be made fighting, a lot of new faces in the heavyweight are coming up.
Fury still has three to five years before he retires but I doubt there will be a fourth fight against Wilder along the way.

I hardly watched boxing for a long time especially the higher weight divisions because they do not face any credible challengers and because of that i became a fan of the UFC as they always matches the best against the best until Tyson Fury came back and created the interest once again which was lacking in the division for a long time. We do not want another fight with Wilder as everyone knows what the result would be even if they fight 10 times.

Tyson is waiting for the Joshua Usyk rematch and i want to see him taking on the winner and hold all the belts available Cheesy

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Quote from: cryptomaniac_xxx on October 23, 2021, 03:59:37 PM

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Quote from: Natalim on October 15, 2021, 07:56:13 AM

No doubt for me too, but Usyk vs Fury, I think Fury will win the match.

Fury is a master manipulator in the ring, his skill level is on another level and his jaw is unbreakable. No one could survive the punches Wilder landed and yet Fury survived all of his punches which is unbelievable and against Usyk it would be epic if he able to win the rematch. If Fury faces Joshua, he will school him Cheesy

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I wouldn't say that his jaw is unbreakable, Wilder already break that chin, what he has is a good recuperating power from those punches that knock him down. Maybe he has a strong neck, absorbs that punch, goes down and then recover in less than 10 seconds. But yes, we all know that Joshua will be no match for Fury's technical boxing skills and power in both hands.

That less than 10 seconds is a bit controversial though.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xTgu98jk2wU

Well, Fury vs AJ would not happen if AJ would lose in the rematch which is likely gonna happen based on his performance in the first fight. The hype is over then and the big match is not gonna happen since it will be Usyk vs Fury in the future, hopefully, I'm wrong as I still want to see an AJ vs Fury fight since it's been promoted already and it's easy to gain an audience to support the fight.

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Quote from: ene1980 on October 23, 2021, 02:14:17 PM

Quote from: Natalim on October 15, 2021, 07:56:13 AM

No doubt for me too, but Usyk vs Fury, I think Fury will win the match.

Fury is a master manipulator in the ring, his skill level is on another level and his jaw is unbreakable. No one could survive the punches Wilder landed and yet Fury survived all of his punches which is unbelievable and against Usyk it would be epic if he able to win the rematch. If Fury faces Joshua, he will school him Cheesy

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I wouldn't say that his jaw is unbreakable, Wilder already break that chin, what he has is a good recuperating power from those punches that knock him down. Maybe he has a strong neck, absorbs that punch, goes down and then recover in less than 10 seconds. But yes, we all know that Joshua will be no match for Fury's technical boxing skills and power in both hands.

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Quote from: Natalim on October 15, 2021, 07:56:13 AM

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He needs a major improvement in the rematch if he wants to regain his popularity.
In his fight against Ruiz, it was different as the fans believe that Ruiz was just lucky to hit AJ with a solid punch and that KO happened.
But here, against Usyk, it was Usyk who is the better fighter and he was dominating AJ in the fight with his good footwork and head movement.

Andy Ruiz had really fast hands and Anthony Joshua did not anticipate that coming and one thing i understood about the skill level of Anthony Joshua is that he cannot improvise during the fight and so is the reason he lost against Andy Ruiz and that is the reason he was defeated against Usyk and what changes he will bring to the rematch is to be seen.

Quote from: Natalim on October 15, 2021, 07:56:13 AM

No doubt for me too, but Usyk vs Fury, I think Fury will win the match.

Fury is a master manipulator in the ring, his skill level is on another level and his jaw is unbreakable. No one could survive the punches Wilder landed and yet Fury survived all of his punches which is unbelievable and against Usyk it would be epic if he able to win the rematch. If Fury faces Joshua, he will school him Cheesy

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Quote from: South Park on October 22, 2021, 05:45:31 PM

People are losing faith in him because things have not been great for Joshua in the last fights, he lost against Ruiz which was one of the biggest upsets in the history of boxing and he did not looked good at all during the fight, it is true he won the rematch but he did not won by destroying Ruiz or anything like that, so while the win was deserved no one was impressed by it, and now he was completely dominated by Usyk, so people are not confident at all he can win the rematch against Usyk.

Sure. Even if we assume that Joshua will be lucky and will be able to defeat Usyk (in super heavyweights there is always a chance for an unexpected knockout), this will not change the fact that in the next match against Fury he will be an obvious underdog and such a fight is unlikely to cause a lot of excitement.

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AJ cannot beat Usyk with his technique (or the southpaw argument).

I think AJ has to improve also on his mental health and morale in addition to technique before the rematch, if he is going to stand a chance to beat Usyk. At the moment, due to the two successive losses he has had with Ruiz and Usyk, plus the very sloppy and timid display from the last fight, a lot of persons including his promoter Eddie Hearn have lost hope in him.

https://www.sportsvillagesquare.com/2021/10/15/promoter-hearn-loses-hope-on-anthony-joshuatipped-to-lose-again-to-usyk/

Most importantly i hope he hasn't lost hope on himself.

Why suddenly they would lost hope after AJ lose his fight? I think that's okay as long as AJ will bounce back.

What if in this rematch AJ will win again, then they would be happy to promote him to a big fight against Fury which would probably give massive cash to the promoters of the fight and that would not be possible without AJ's hard work.

Joshua vs Fury has been hyped already even before the fight of Joshua against Usyk, so Joshua just needs to win the rematch and he will get the biggest paycheck of his boxing career in a mega fight.

People are losing faith in him because things have not been great for Joshua in the last fights, he lost against Ruiz which was one of the biggest upsets in the history of boxing and he did not looked good at all during the fight, it is true he won the rematch but he did not won by destroying Ruiz or anything like that, so while the win was deserved no one was impressed by it, and now he was completely dominated by Usyk, so people are not confident at all he can win the rematch against Usyk.

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Quote from: fortunecrypto on October 18, 2021, 11:25:20 PM

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The heavyweight will be less exciting without Fury and Fury already said in one interview that training in boxing is a good stress reliever and helps him not to fall into depression again, and besides, there's still huge money to be made fighting, a lot of new faces in the heavyweight are coming up.
Fury still has three to five years before he retires but I doubt there will be a fourth fight against Wilder along the way.

Tyson Fury is the kind of fighter boxing needs right now, who is outspoken yet he backs up what he is talking about and he is able to grab the attention of the audience which was lacking in boxing especially in the Heavy Weight division, despite saying that i doubt whether Tyson Fury will be fighting for the next 3 years let alone 5 years as he knows about the impact he will have in his body if he continues to fight top class fighters.

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I guess it will be more correct to compare Tyson Fury vs Anthony Joshua with Tyson Fury vs Deontay Wilder 1 odds.

I think this odds were made just for fun or only to gain more attention to Roobet. Who would really make a fight in 2 hours before New Years? They just made this odds record on perspective that they would really meet.

Or situation with fight Fury vs Joshua could be repeated. When then made an agreement to fight, and then Wilder appeared and reminded about the clause in contract about rematch. Joshua fights with Usyk for the second time. Just a boxing drama or backstage wars Cheesy

Or this is more for people to talk about, to make a soil for rumours, predictions, discussions.

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Quote from: KTChampions on October 19, 2021, 06:57:59 AM

Can you take a screenshot of this bet? The site does not allow unregistered users to view sports betting. I do not understand how this is possible, because there was no information that this fight would take place. The next fight for Joshua is a rematch against Usyk. If he loses it, then he will not have a chance to fight Fury.

Here you are:

This was found on https://roobet.com/sportsbetting/hub88:btsg_sportbetting

I also don't understand how this is possible. They don't have enough time for a training camp.
I don't know why, but there is a lock on a an odds. However, this lock is also on all other boxing events. For example there is a fight Herring Jamel vs Stevenson Shakur, that will be this Sunday, and odds are under lock also. So there no connection that Fury vs Joshua fight was locked because this just Roobet is dreaming about their fight on Dec 31.

I will be checking it from time to time, and if lock disappears, I will make a bet a see how things will go further.

I thought maybe you confused the meaning of the bet (for example, it could be something like whether there will be an agreement on such a fight this year or not or something like fantasy betting), but now I see that it really exists. Hopefully someone with more information on this will explain what this means. By the way, the odds look rather strange - it turns out that Joshua is quoted by bookmakers better than Wilder.

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Quote from: KTChampions on October 19, 2021, 06:57:59 AM

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Roobet.com allows already to make bets on Tyson Fury vs Anthony Joshua fight on December 31 22:00 Cheesy

1.51 on Fury and 2.47 on Joshua.

This is either joke a chance to make bets in advance. Because 2 months to prepare for such a fight, specially if you had recently a big fight, is not enough. Cant see the logic behind this. But I like the odds.

Can you take a screenshot of this bet? The site does not allow unregistered users to view sports betting. I do not understand how this is possible, because there was no information that this fight would take place. The next fight for Joshua is a rematch against Usyk. If he loses it, then he will not have a chance to fight Fury.

Here you are:

This was found on https://roobet.com/sportsbetting/hub88:btsg_sportbetting

I also don't understand how this is possible. They don't have enough time for a training camp.
I don't know why, but there is a lock on a an odds. However, this lock is also on all other boxing events. For example there is a fight Herring Jamel vs Stevenson Shakur, that will be this Sunday, and odds are under lock also. So there no connection that Fury vs Joshua fight was locked because this just Roobet is dreaming about their fight on Dec 31.

I will be checking it from time to time, and if lock disappears, I will make a bet a see how things will go further.

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Quote from: TopTort777 on October 19, 2021, 02:45:22 AM

Roobet.com allows already to make bets on Tyson Fury vs Anthony Joshua fight on December 31 22:00 Cheesy

1.51 on Fury and 2.47 on Joshua.

This is either joke a chance to make bets in advance. Because 2 months to prepare for such a fight, specially if you had recently a big fight, is not enough. Cant see the logic behind this. But I like the odds.

Can you take a screenshot of this bet? The site does not allow unregistered users to view sports betting. I do not understand how this is possible, because there was no information that this fight would take place. The next fight for Joshua is a rematch against Usyk. If he loses it, then he will not have a chance to fight Fury.

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Quote from: mirakal on October 18, 2021, 04:57:12 PM

Joshua vs Fury has been hyped already even before the fight of Joshua against Usyk, so Joshua just needs to win the rematch and he will get the biggest paycheck of his boxing career in a mega fight.

Roobet.com allows already to make bets on Tyson Fury vs Anthony Joshua fight on December 31 22:00 Cheesy

1.51 on Fury and 2.47 on Joshua.

This is either joke a chance to make bets in advance. Because 2 months to prepare for such a fight, specially if you had recently a big fight, is not enough. Cant see the logic behind this. But I like the odds.

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