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Quote from: 7788bitcoin on October 18, 2021, 07:38:13 PM

Joshua vs Fury has been hyped already even before the fight of Joshua against Usyk, so Joshua just needs to win the rematch and he will get the biggest paycheck of his boxing career in a mega fight.

The heavyweight will be less exciting without Fury and Fury already said in one interview that training in boxing is a good stress reliever and helps him not to fall into depression again, and besides, there's still huge money to be made fighting, a lot of new faces in the heavyweight are coming up.
Fury still has three to five years before he retires but I doubt there will be a fourth fight against Wilder along the way.

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Quote from: mirakal on October 18, 2021, 05:57:12 PM

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Why suddenly they would lost hope after AJ lose his fight? I think that's okay as long as AJ will bounce back.

What if in this rematch AJ will win again, then they would be happy to promote him to a big fight against Fury which would probably give massive cash to the promoters of the fight and that would not be possible without AJ's hard work.

If Anthony Joshua is able to defeat Oleksandr Usyk in the rematch then it would be epic as AJ will be known as a fighter who always performs well in rematches Cheesy

. I doubt whether AJ could emulate that this time against Oleksandr Usyk. The next fight i want to see is Oleksandr Usyk and Tyson Fury and AJ facing Wilder.

Quote from: mirakal on October 18, 2021, 05:57:12 PM

Joshua vs Fury has been hyped already even before the fight of Joshua against Usyk, so Joshua just needs to win the rematch and he will get the biggest paycheck of his boxing career in a mega fight.

The same hype will be there if AJ is able to defeat Usyk and have the belts and then Fury will make quick works and i think Fury will end his boxing career after that win.

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AJ cannot beat Usyk with his technique (or the southpaw argument).

I think AJ has to improve also on his mental health and morale in addition to technique before the rematch, if he is going to stand a chance to beat Usyk. At the moment, due to the two successive losses he has had with Ruiz and Usyk, plus the very sloppy and timid display from the last fight, a lot of persons including his promoter Eddie Hearn have lost hope in him.

https://www.sportsvillagesquare.com/2021/10/15/promoter-hearn-loses-hope-on-anthony-joshuatipped-to-lose-again-to-usyk/

Most importantly i hope he hasn't lost hope on himself.

Why suddenly they would lost hope after AJ lose his fight? I think that's okay as long as AJ will bounce back.

What if in this rematch AJ will win again, then they would be happy to promote him to a big fight against Fury which would probably give massive cash to the promoters of the fight and that would not be possible without AJ's hard work.

Joshua vs Fury has been hyped already even before the fight of Joshua against Usyk, so Joshua just needs to win the rematch and he will get the biggest paycheck of his boxing career in a mega fight.

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Joshua has been known for come back after a devastating defeat and that makes this JOSHUA vs USYK II exciting as when he fought against Ruiz for the second time. Their strategy works to beat Ruiz and if they can execute the same working strategy then he can easily regain back and might have the chance to fight Fury in his next match.

I think you can not really compare the fights and also the rematches of Joshua vs Ruiz and now Usyk. Back then it was a huge surprise that ruiz managed to win against Joshua and even managed to knock him down 3 times. Then in the second fight Joshua dominated Ruiz and won his title back in a relatively convincing way. If you look at Joshuas fight vs Usyk then the experts and also the fans were by far not so convinced that Joshua was the big favorite again here. This was mainly because Joshua lost his nimbus of being undefeated against Ruiz and of course also because Usyk is a much better boxer in comparison to Ruiz.
So i don't see Joshua as the big favorite against Usyk in their rematch.

The results of the poll now reverses. People are now rooting for Usyk this time. Grin

This is no surprise as we have witnessed their first match.
Definitely, the odds will favor on Usyk on this re-match. But curious what will be the gap of odds.
Can Joshua redeem himself? In my opinion, Usyk will still emerge as winner here.

It depends on what you mean by Joshua redeeming himself, if he can give a good fight even if he losses I still think we could see some good fights from Joshua, he could fight Wilder or even Fury and I still think people would watch those fights, but if we see a repetition of the first fight against Usyk on the second fight then I doubt anyone will want to watch those fights as it would be obvious that he will not have a chance against either of them.

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Quote from: mu_enrico on October 15, 2021, 07:08:06 AM

AJ cannot beat Usyk with his technique (or the southpaw argument).

I think AJ has to improve also on his mental health and morale in addition to technique before the rematch, if he is going to stand a chance to beat Usyk. At the moment, due to the two successive losses he has had with Ruiz and Usyk, plus the very sloppy and timid display from the last fight, a lot of persons including his promoter Eddie Hearn have lost hope in him.

https://www.sportsvillagesquare.com/2021/10/15/promoter-hearn-loses-hope-on-anthony-joshuatipped-to-lose-again-to-usyk/

Most importantly i hope he hasn't lost hope on himself.

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I'm still giving Joshua a chance in their upcoming rematch. He was able to avenge his loss to Ruiz. He could also avenge this loss. But I don't think Joshua will win against Usyk by unanimous decision. Usyk has more punches to offer. Usyk is more accurate as well.

I do accept that Joshua was able to win a decision over Andy Ruiz in the rematch but you need to look at the way in which Andy Ruiz was preparing for the rematch. He was not training properly after becoming an overnight sensation and money changes people and i bet he was not really prepared physically and mentally for the rematch but i think Usyk will be fully prepared when they fights again.

I understand your opinion. Andy Ruiz might have really underestimated Anthony Joshua the second time they met in the ring. He might have also faced Joshua in a bad shape. But all this is now water under the bridge. Whatever the reason is, Anthony Joshua came out the winner and he avenged his only loss at that time. Let's give him credit for that. He must have learned his opponent's ways and came out executing his camp's plan. All I'm saying is that this is also possible against Usyk. They will definitely study Usky's fighting style in their first match.

It's possible that Joshua can adjust in his rematch against Usyk.

But the thing with Usyk is that he is still hungry, unlike Ruiz who just party as long as he can after he upset Joshua. So discipline is the key here. Not saying that Usyk doesn't have the discipline, in fact he can train harder in the second fight so that we might see the same results or even worst, maybe we can see him knocking down Joshua for good.

This is not going to be a matter of can, he should adjust or else he will suffer the same fate the first time they fight. But I agree with you that Ruiz is not to be compared to Usyk. Ruiz is probably not as disciplined as a fighter than Usyk. Ruiz won by a strong punch. He didn't win by fighting the whole 12 rounds outclassing Joshua. Usyk is a different boxer. He is not there to rely on a lucky punch. He is there to fight against Joshua whatever it takes. Usyk is of course a harder opponent to get revenge to.

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I don't think adding more weight will help AJ against Usyk on the rematch, on the contrary if may backfire on him because he will be too slow. Unless he hits Usyk straight in the mouth, but Usyk boxing IQ is underrated. So it might be better for him to go light and chase Usyk around and not to get tired. Because Usyk is a technical fighter and the only way to beat a technical fighter is to be a technical fighter. So can AJ be like that?

Anthony Joshua should not make the same mistake like Deontay Wilder as gaining weight will not help them in any way. Anthony Joshua had answers against Ruiz in the rematch as he was able to counter his shortcomings despite the fact that the Ruiz who came out to fight was a different fighter.

He needs a major improvement in the rematch if he wants to regain his popularity.
In his fight against Ruiz, it was different as the fans believe that Ruiz was just lucky to hit AJ with a solid punch and that KO happened.
But here, against Usyk, it was Usyk who is the better fighter and he was dominating AJ in the fight with his good footwork and head movement.

Quote from: ene1980 on October 15, 2021, 07:28:31 AM

I still think Oleksandr Usyk could win the rematch and then the showdown between Tyson Fury will be an interesting fight.

No doubt for me too, but Usyk vs Fury, I think Fury will win the match.

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Quote from: cryptomaniac_xxx on October 15, 2021, 07:23:25 AM

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I don't think adding more weight will help AJ against Usyk on the rematch, on the contrary if may backfire on him because he will be too slow. Unless he hits Usyk straight in the mouth, but Usyk boxing IQ is underrated. So it might be better for him to go light and chase Usyk around and not to get tired. Because Usyk is a technical fighter and the only way to beat a technical fighter is to be a technical fighter. So can AJ be like that?

Anthony Joshua should not make the same mistake like Deontay Wilder as gaining weight will not help them in any way. Anthony Joshua had answers against Ruiz in the rematch as he was able to counter his shortcomings despite the fact that the Ruiz who came out to fight was a different fighter. I still think Oleksandr Usyk could win the rematch and then the showdown between Tyson Fury will be an interesting fight.

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Quote from: mu_enrico on October 15, 2021, 07:08:06 AM

Usyk is like Lomachenko on steroids, for sure cannot be compared with Ruiz. AJ comeback was against Ruiz, and he is nothing like Usyk. That said, this 2nd fight is way different from the last comeback. In Usyk vs AJ part 2, there's no sure strategy for AJ in my opinion. So, depend on the odds, I'd put my money on Usyk. However, once I hear AJ will put more weight on and go for KO, I will go for AJ. In their 1st fight you can see that AJ was "punch drunk" just like what we often see on Loma's fight. It means two things: (1) Usyk isn't one punch bomber, so AJ shouldn't be afraid to go near him, and (2) AJ cannot beat Usyk with his technique (or the southpaw argument).

I don't think adding more weight will help AJ against Usyk on the rematch, on the contrary if may backfire on him because he will be too slow. Unless he hits Usyk straight in the mouth, but Usyk boxing IQ is underrated. So it might be better for him to go light and chase Usyk around and not to get tired. Because Usyk is a technical fighter and the only way to beat a technical fighter is to be a technical fighter. So can AJ be like that?

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Usyk is like Lomachenko on steroids, for sure cannot be compared with Ruiz. AJ comeback was against Ruiz, and he is nothing like Usyk. That said, this 2nd fight is way different from the last comeback. In Usyk vs AJ part 2, there's no sure strategy for AJ in my opinion. So, depend on the odds, I'd put my money on Usyk. However, once I hear AJ will put more weight on and go for KO, I will go for AJ. In their 1st fight you can see that AJ was "punch drunk" just like what we often see on Loma's fight. It means two things: (1) Usyk isn't one punch bomber, so AJ shouldn't be afraid to go near him, and (2) AJ cannot beat Usyk with his technique (or the southpaw argument).

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That's not a close fight, i agree. It was a masterful performnce and complete domination by Usyk and IMO there would be not much difference on the outcome of the second fight. Unlike in the fight against Ruiz where we can say that it was just a lucky punch that turned the fight around in favor of Ruiz. Joshua's confidence will not be here and this time he will be the one that needs a lucky punch to knock Usyk out.

Many experts also thought Joshua has no chance against Ruiz in their second chance but Joshua manage to turn things around, Joshua is dedicated to going back to the gym and see what went wrong and he wants the Fury match to happen, if Joshua turns things around against Ruiz he can do it again against Usyk, he's been in this situation before, he is good in making a comeback, let's see if he can do it again.

I think Usyk is far better and also a much bigger threat than Ruiz was. Anything can happen in boxing though and one punch can change that game as happened in the Ruiz fight. I think if Fury had ten matches against Wilder Wilder would win a couple of them at least. Ruiz didn't take the rematch as seriously as he should have done and paid the price.

Quote from: yazher on October 13, 2021, 07:52:34 AM

Joshua has been known for come back after a devastating defeat and that makes this JOSHUA vs USYK II exciting as when he fought against Ruiz for the second time. Their strategy works to beat Ruiz and if they can execute the same working strategy then he can easily regain back and might have the chance to fight Fury in his next match.

Somehow I don't think Usyk is going to go on a diet of booze and McDonalds for the rematch Grin

. It's going to be interesting to see what game-plan he comes up with. Is he going to try beef up? AJ is already in peak physical shape so I don't he can do much unless he really hits the weights but like I said before don't think it's a good idea.

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It's not that AJ is slower than Usyk, it's just he cannot fight a southpaw boxer the same way as he fights an orthodox boxer. The tempo, the feel, the angle, everything is so messed up. He cannot get used to fighting a southpaw boxer in just a few months, so better gamble would be going for in-fight against Usyk.

Maybe not slower, but definitely less agile. I think that's the biggest issue here, and the fact that Joshua seems a little more gun shy since the Andy Ruiz fight. Until Joshua can either counter those problems, or make improvements on those fronts then I can't see him winning the rematch, and it's looking increasingly likely that it'll be a Fury vs Usyk unification fight, which to be honest I think is a good match up. Although, I'd like to see Fury win that, and then move onto Joshua just to prove he's the best of the current heavyweight fighters.

He wasn't gun shy on the Pulev fight and he won via KO if I'm not mistaken.

Pulev is pretty old at 40. He won't be able to tire Usyk out and go in for the kill later on in the fight when he's fatigued. That's pretty much what Usyk did to AJ. If that fight would have gone on another round or maybe even another ten seconds AJ would have gone down.

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I'm still giving Joshua a chance in their upcoming rematch. He was able to avenge his loss to Ruiz. He could also avenge this loss. But I don't think Joshua will win against Usyk by unanimous decision. Usyk has more punches to offer. Usyk is more accurate as well.

I do accept that Joshua was able to win a decision over Andy Ruiz in the rematch but you need to look at the way in which Andy Ruiz was preparing for the rematch. He was not training properly after becoming an overnight sensation and money changes people and i bet he was not really prepared physically and mentally for the rematch but i think Usyk will be fully prepared when they fights again.

I understand your opinion. Andy Ruiz might have really underestimated Anthony Joshua the second time they met in the ring. He might have also faced Joshua in a bad shape. But all this is now water under the bridge. Whatever the reason is, Anthony Joshua came out the winner and he avenged his only loss at that time. Let's give him credit for that. He must have learned his opponent's ways and came out executing his camp's plan. All I'm saying is that this is also possible against Usyk. They will definitely study Usky's fighting style in their first match.

It's possible that Joshua can adjust in his rematch against Usyk.

But the thing with Usyk is that he is still hungry, unlike Ruiz who just party as long as he can after he upset Joshua. So discipline is the key here. Not saying that Usyk doesn't have the discipline, in fact he can train harder in the second fight so that we might see the same results or even worst, maybe we can see him knocking down Joshua for good.

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I'm still giving Joshua a chance in their upcoming rematch. He was able to avenge his loss to Ruiz. He could also avenge this loss. But I don't think Joshua will win against Usyk by unanimous decision. Usyk has more punches to offer. Usyk is more accurate as well.

I do accept that Joshua was able to win a decision over Andy Ruiz in the rematch but you need to look at the way in which Andy Ruiz was preparing for the rematch. He was not training properly after becoming an overnight sensation and money changes people and i bet he was not really prepared physically and mentally for the rematch but i think Usyk will be fully prepared when they fights again.

I understand your opinion. Andy Ruiz might have really underestimated Anthony Joshua the second time they met in the ring. He might have also faced Joshua in a bad shape. But all this is now water under the bridge. Whatever the reason is, Anthony Joshua came out the winner and he avenged his only loss at that time. Let's give him credit for that. He must have learned his opponent's ways and came out executing his camp's plan. All I'm saying is that this is also possible against Usyk. They will definitely study Usky's fighting style in their first match.

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Quote from: Fundamentals Of on October 13, 2021, 11:15:59 PM

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I'm still giving Joshua a chance in their upcoming rematch. He was able to avenge his loss to Ruiz. He could also avenge this loss. But I don't think Joshua will win against Usyk by unanimous decision. Usyk has more punches to offer. Usyk is more accurate as well.

I do accept that Joshua was able to win a decision over Andy Ruiz in the rematch but you need to look at the way in which Andy Ruiz was preparing for the rematch. He was not training properly after becoming an overnight sensation and money changes people and i bet he was not really prepared physically and mentally for the rematch but i think Usyk will be fully prepared when they fights again.

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Good news, except for the realization that the fight will take place in about half a year and if everything goes according to plan and there are no force majeure circumstances.
Of course, it's a shame that organizing fights takes so long. Specifically now, this is important because if you take into account this fight, then Fury's fight with the winner of this pair, then at least a year will pass. Given the fact that Wilder is no longer young, it is possible that he simply will not have time to get back into business and fight with any of this trio.

I think this is a dilatory tactic by Joshua, he needs time to recover and to improve and this cannot be done so quickly so he is probably going to try to push the fight as far away as possible and if he has to use his promoter to buy him some time I have no doubts that he will do so, after all Usyk so completely dominated the fight that Joshua needs to focus on one of two possible options which are the complete opposite of each other, the first one is to try to outbox Usyk and the second is to gain more weight and try to KO him and neither path seems easy to me.

Unfortunately, this is not a dilatory tactic from Joshua, but a usual thing for boxing - top fights are organized for a very long time and I must say that this one (if it takes place within the specified timeframe) will be held rather quickly. And as I wrote above, weight gain will not help Joshua, but only harm him. He must lose weight and gain speed.

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The winds have changed now. In the first poll, only 30% thought the undefeated Usyk would prevail over Joshua. But now that Joshua has been convincingly defeated by Usyk although only by unanimous decision, 81% believe Usyk would still come out the winner in their rematch come spring of 2022.

I'm still giving Joshua a chance in their upcoming rematch. He was able to avenge his loss to Ruiz. He could also avenge this loss. But I don't think Joshua will win against Usyk by unanimous decision. Usyk has more punches to offer. Usyk is more accurate as well.

It’s too early to talk about the results as too few people voted - 11 people. Maybe Joshua's fans will cheer up and fix the vote, which now looks very one-sided.

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The winds have changed now. In the first poll, only 30% thought the undefeated Usyk would prevail over Joshua. But now that Joshua has been convincingly defeated by Usyk although only by unanimous decision, 81% believe Usyk would still come out the winner in their rematch come spring of 2022.

I'm still giving Joshua a chance in their upcoming rematch. He was able to avenge his loss to Ruiz. He could also avenge this loss. But I don't think Joshua will win against Usyk by unanimous decision. Usyk has more punches to offer. Usyk is more accurate as well.

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It's not that AJ is slower than Usyk, it's just he cannot fight a southpaw boxer the same way as he fights an orthodox boxer. The tempo, the feel, the angle, everything is so messed up. He cannot get used to fighting a southpaw boxer in just a few months, so better gamble would be going for in-fight against Usyk.

Maybe not slower, but definitely less agile. I think that's the biggest issue here, and the fact that Joshua seems a little more gun shy since the Andy Ruiz fight. Until Joshua can either counter those problems, or make improvements on those fronts then I can't see him winning the rematch, and it's looking increasingly likely that it'll be a Fury vs Usyk unification fight, which to be honest I think is a good match up. Although, I'd like to see Fury win that, and then move onto Joshua just to prove he's the best of the current heavyweight fighters.

He wasn't gun shy on the Pulev fight and he won via KO if I'm not mistaken.

But in the Usyk fight, it seems that we witnessed a different version of Joshua here, maybe it was the style match-up, maybe he has ring rust, overtrain or underestimate Usyk etc, etc.. He usually dominated small fighters except in the Ruiz fight. Even in the second fight, he adjusted and regain back his confidence. So I doubt that he is still affected by the first lost against Ruiz.

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Quote from: mu_enrico on October 13, 2021, 09:40:42 AM

It's not that AJ is slower than Usyk, it's just he cannot fight a southpaw boxer the same way as he fights an orthodox boxer. The tempo, the feel, the angle, everything is so messed up. He cannot get used to fighting a southpaw boxer in just a few months, so better gamble would be going for in-fight against Usyk.

Maybe not slower, but definitely less agile. I think that's the biggest issue here, and the fact that Joshua seems a little more gun shy since the Andy Ruiz fight. Until Joshua can either counter those problems, or make improvements on those fronts then I can't see him winning the rematch, and it's looking increasingly likely that it'll be a Fury vs Usyk unification fight, which to be honest I think is a good match up. Although, I'd like to see Fury win that, and then move onto Joshua just to prove he's the best of the current heavyweight fighters.

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Quote from: yazher on October 13, 2021, 07:52:34 AM

Joshua has been known for come back after a devastating defeat and that makes this JOSHUA vs USYK II exciting as when he fought against Ruiz for the second time. Their strategy works to beat Ruiz and if they can execute the same working strategy then he can easily regain back and might have the chance to fight Fury in his next match.

I think you can not really compare the fights and also the rematches of Joshua vs Ruiz and now Usyk. Back then it was a huge surprise that ruiz managed to win against Joshua and even managed to knock him down 3 times. Then in the second fight Joshua dominated Ruiz and won his title back in a relatively convincing way. If you look at Joshuas fight vs Usyk then the experts and also the fans were by far not so convinced that Joshua was the big favorite again here. This was mainly because Joshua lost his nimbus of being undefeated against Ruiz and of course also because Usyk is a much better boxer in comparison to Ruiz.
So i don't see Joshua as the big favorite against Usyk in their rematch.

The results of the poll now reverses. People are now rooting for Usyk this time. Grin

This is no surprise as we have witnessed their first match.
Definitely, the odds will favor on Usyk on this re-match. But curious what will be the gap of odds.
Can Joshua redeem himself? In my opinion, Usyk will still emerge as winner here.

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Quote from: KTChampions on October 10, 2021, 06:27:33 PM

Good news, except for the realization that the fight will take place in about half a year and if everything goes according to plan and there are no force majeure circumstances.
Of course, it's a shame that organizing fights takes so long. Specifically now, this is important because if you take into account this fight, then Fury's fight with the winner of this pair, then at least a year will pass. Given the fact that Wilder is no longer young, it is possible that he simply will not have time to get back into business and fight with any of this trio.

I think this is a dilatory tactic by Joshua, he needs time to recover and to improve and this cannot be done so quickly so he is probably going to try to push the fight as far away as possible and if he has to use his promoter to buy him some time I have no doubts that he will do so, after all Usyk so completely dominated the fight that Joshua needs to focus on one of two possible options which are the complete opposite of each other, the first one is to try to outbox Usyk and the second is to gain more weight and try to KO him and neither path seems easy to me.

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