[ BOXING POLL ADDED ] The Rematch - JOSHUA vs USYK II (updated thread) - page 9.

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Final date is Aug 20 at Jeddah, Saudi Arabia.

https://www.boxingscene.com/usyk-vs-joshua-rematch-finalized-august-20-saudi-arabia--167091

So we have a date and a venue already. Stake has Usyk 1.42 betting favorite against Joshua's 2.80.

Joshua will have Robert Garcia as his trainer to help him prepare and avenge his lost to Usyk. As per Garcia, they will utilize AJ physical advantage in this fight. So let's see if they can do it against a very agile and technical fighter.

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Quote from: JollyGood on May 06, 2022, 01:47:36 PM

Joshua claims he will go for a knockout and has learned from his mistakes from the first fight against Usyk. He says he made an error trying to outbox him and will try to end the fight early by KO. He also said he would still like to fight Wilder even after that Fury vs Wilder trilogy.

It is good to hear that Anthony Joshua can learn from his mistakes after every defeat and if that is the case he will be defeated by all of his upcoming opponents and then rectify his mistakes and come back for a rematch Cheesy

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Quote from: JollyGood on May 06, 2022, 01:47:36 PM

As for his comments on Fury, he also thinks he will be able to tempt Fury out of retirement with or without a unification fight.

The date for the rematch with Usyk is still being mentioned as 23rd July 2022 but a venue has not been confirmed:

There is no way Anthony Joshua will be able to defeat Tyson Fury, he knows that and even if they fights 10 times Fury will win 10 times Cheesy

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Joshua claims he will go for a knockout and has learned from his mistakes from the first fight against Usyk. He says he made an error trying to outbox him and will try to end the fight early by KO. He also said he would still like to fight Wilder even after that Fury vs Wilder trilogy.

As for his comments on Fury, he also thinks he will be able to tempt Fury out of retirement with or without a unification fight.

The date for the rematch with Usyk is still being mentioned as 23rd July 2022 but a venue has not been confirmed: TALKSPORT

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It now looks likely the fight will go ahead on 23rd July 2022 but the venue is still undecided:

https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/boxing/oleksandr-usyk-anthony-joshua-date-26818951

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By some accounts it was supposed to be in September 2022 and then mentioned to take place in June 2022 but it was always mentioned the venue would be Tottenham Hotspur Stadium in London. I am surprised that the fighters would be open to having the fight outside of the UK after the preliminary discussions.

If they have the fight in the Middle East both fighters would have to travel well ahead of time in order to acclimatise and they would not want that as it would disrupt their routine.

Regarding the undercard, I saw your earlier post and yes the undercard does not look exciting.

Quote from: hilariousetc on April 09, 2022, 04:23:47 PM

Money talks. If Saudi comes in and offers them an outrageous amount then they'll just do it over there even though it pisses off the British fans who can't go and watch it. Maybe ticket sales wouldn't be great for the sequel though as I'm not sure how excited people are for the rematch. It won't be as lucrative as the Fury/Whyte fight that's for sure. Usually Hearn's fights have better undercards though as well and I'm sure it will be better than the crap on the upcoming Fury/Whyte fight.

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Quote from: JollyGood on April 08, 2022, 06:58:39 PM

According to ESPN the rematch could take place in Saudi Arabia.

This comes a surprise because I thought the fight was taking place at Tottenham Hotspur stadium in London. ESPN cite sources saying that Saudo Arabia is the most likely destination but gave no explanation why it would be moved from London.

Here is an earlier report attributed to Alexander Krassyuk (the promoter for Usyk) and it is on Sky Sports too where a rematch for June 2022 in Saudi Arabia was being considered.

Money talks. If Saudi comes in and offers them an outrageous amount then they'll just do it over there even though it pisses off the British fans who can't go and watch it. Maybe ticket sales wouldn't be great for the sequel though as I'm not sure how excited people are for the rematch. It won't be as lucrative as the Fury/Whyte fight that's for sure. Usually Hearn's fights have better undercards though as well and I'm sure it will be better than the crap on the upcoming Fury/Whyte fight.

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According to ESPN the rematch could take place in Saudi Arabia.

This comes a surprise because I thought the fight was taking place at Tottenham Hotspur stadium in London. ESPN cite sources saying that Saudo Arabia is the most likely destination but gave no explanation why it would be moved from London.

Here is an earlier report attributed to Alexander Krassyuk (the promoter for Usyk) and it is on Sky Sports too where a rematch for June 2022 in Saudi Arabia was being considered.

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Given the proud nature of the man (Usyk) I think it must have been a very difficult decision to leave Ukraine and to head to training camp. If he is not focused on the job in the ring he will no doubt be knocked out by a revenge-seeking Joshua.

I think Usyk is not going to lose focus, he knows winning the fight and retaining the belts will give Ukraine even more positive exposure because when he gets the microphone at the end of the fight whilst holding the belts as champion he will use the opportunity to maximise it to his advantage.

Quote from: hilariousetc on March 30, 2022, 04:28:23 PM

I think pretty much the whole world knows about the conflict. I guess he's got to give it some spin to justify leaving Ukraine (not that I think he needs to especially as I think he returned their to fight rather than he was there at the time everything kicked off).

AJ has better get working on his game plan if he wants a chance at getting those belts back. Would set up a nice fight with Fury if he does (assuming Fury doesn't lose his belts to Whyte).

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Quote from: JollyGood on March 26, 2022, 04:32:11 AM

The fight date could change in the coming days... let us see how it plays out but I think it will remain in September 2022 as the media is using it. Keeping that aside, one piece of good news is Usyk posted on social media about him being back in training for the rematch: https://www.skysports.com/boxing/news/12183/12575053/usyk-confirms-aj-rematch-plans

Quote from: hilariousetc on March 24, 2022, 04:28:23 PM

Hearn said it should be in June. September is a long way away and I think the rematch clause timeframe will have expired by then.

It's pencilled in for Saturday, June 25 according to Hearn: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLa1lX9z-oM
https://talksport.com/sport/boxing/957137/anthony-joshua-vs-oleksandr-usyk-rematch-date-start-time-live-stream-tv-channel-ppv-location-eddie-hearn/

Quote from: JollyGood on March 26, 2022, 06:13:06 PM

I understand what you wrote but we should all give Usyk more credit. He is going to use the boxing platform to highlight his message and those of is country. He said "That’s how I will help my country more".

I think pretty much the whole world knows about the conflict. I guess he's got to give it some spin to justify leaving Ukraine (not that I think he needs to especially as I think he returned their to fight rather than he was there at the time everything kicked off).

AJ has better get working on his game plan if he wants a chance at getting those belts back. Would set up a nice fight with Fury if he does (assuming Fury doesn't lose his belts to Whyte).

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I understand what you wrote but we should all give Usyk more credit. He is going to use the boxing platform to highlight his message and those of is country. He said "That’s how I will help my country more".

I am beginning to think the best thing Usyk can do for now is to simply focus on his boxing. The article suggests he is not mentally weak he knows what he is doing after getting support from his family and friends: https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/sport/8624171/oleksandr-usyk-ukraine-rematch-anthony-joshua/

Quote from: Cryptmuster on March 26, 2022, 05:08:48 AM

I also saw information that Usyk is starting to train. It will not be easy for him to train now, he was in the ranks of the Ukrainian army and defended his country along with the soldiers. Psychologically, it can be difficult to train when you know that the wor is still going on in your country and civilians are dying every day. But he is a professional and understands that he must defend his title.

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Quote from: Cryptmuster on March 26, 2022, 05:08:48 AM

I also saw information that Usyk is starting to train. It will not be easy for him to train now, he was in the ranks of the Ukrainian army and defended his country along with the soldiers. Psychologically, it can be difficult to train when you know that the wor is still going on in your country and civilians are dying every day. But he is a professional and understands that he must defend his title.

Yes, I saw this news too. I understand that he is a professional and to some extent the war will give him motivation (to support the country and maybe earn more money to financially support the country), but it is so difficult for me to imagine his psychological state. Even now it is very difficult for me to break away from the endless stream of terrible news and get down to work. It is even harder for him because he was directly in the war and his work (upcoming fight) requires maximum concentration.

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Quote from: Cryptmuster on March 26, 2022, 05:08:48 AM

I also saw information that Usyk is starting to train. It will not be easy for him to train now, he was in the ranks of the Ukrainian army and defended his country along with the soldiers. Psychologically, it can be difficult to train when you know that the wor is still going on in your country and civilians are dying every day. But he is a professional and understands that he must defend his title.

This only proves that he is a fighter, he can serve his country better by defending his belt successfully, representing Ukraine, and being the voice of opposition, the training will be hard this time but I'm sure he will be fully motivated because he knows his country needs him to win this fight
this will become a more interesting fight to see and how Usyk will perform knowing that his country is at war.

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Quote from: JollyGood on March 26, 2022, 04:32:11 AM

I think even if the time issues related to the contract cause problems they will negotiate a way forward because of the manner in which Usyk is heading in to the fight. Both fighters want the rematch to go ahead. September really is a bit too far for the fight, Hearn was probably right about June being a better option. I cannot be sure but I think June was originally proposed but then September was spoken about.

The fight date could change in the coming days... let us see how it plays out but I think it will remain in September 2022 as the media is using it. Keeping that aside, one piece of good news is Usyk posted on social media about him being back in training for the rematch: https://www.skysports.com/boxing/news/12183/12575053/usyk-confirms-aj-rematch-plans

I also saw information that Usyk is starting to train. It will not be easy for him to train now, he was in the ranks of the Ukrainian army and defended his country along with the soldiers. Psychologically, it can be difficult to train when you know that the wor is still going on in your country and civilians are dying every day. But he is a professional and understands that he must defend his title.

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I think even if the time issues related to the contract cause problems they will negotiate a way forward because of the manner in which Usyk is heading in to the fight. Both fighters want the rematch to go ahead. September really is a bit too far for the fight, Hearn was probably right about June being a better option. I cannot be sure but I think June was originally proposed but then September was spoken about.

The fight date could change in the coming days... let us see how it plays out but I think it will remain in September 2022 as the media is using it. Keeping that aside, one piece of good news is Usyk posted on social media about him being back in training for the rematch: https://www.skysports.com/boxing/news/12183/12575053/usyk-confirms-aj-rematch-plans

Quote from: hilariousetc on March 24, 2022, 04:28:23 PM

Hearn said it should be in June. September is a long way away and I think the rematch clause timeframe will have expired by then.

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^^ So that is at least a very positive news that Usyk has been given a military excuse to leave and then train for the Joshua fight because we wanted to see the rematch.

But we don't know how Usyk mentality is, I mean he has his country at war, with his families inside. So hopefully he can train 100% and focus on Joshua.

At first I was expecting Usyk not to accept the offer of the Ukrainian military. I thought he was really bent on sticking it out with his people during this very difficult time of their country's existence. That's why I was surprised to learn that he was actually leaving the country already for his rematch against Anthony Joshua. But perhaps he was thinking of giving a certain kind of inspiration to Ukrainians especially to those who are trapped in the war zones. His win could boost the morale of Ukrainians. But who knows? Perhaps the war is over by the time the fight will happen. Just the same I wish him all the luck in his upcoming fight.

It could be the main reason for the government to allow him to travel and continue his boxing career. He will have to show resiliency at this point and even if there is a war, he has to proceed and continue fighting on.

And if will be a perfect scenario wherein he wins in the rematch and goes home a proud Ukrainian and show the world that they can conquer everything. This is like a sort of propaganda in war, similar to what Hitler did during WWII. Every victory they had in the field, they have magnify it to rally their troops.

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Quote from: Distinctin on March 18, 2022, 06:01:53 AM

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~~~a Wilder-Fury fight will generate a lot of excitement as it will become a winner take all match with the losser losing everything.

This would be the 3rd time, or we call it a trilogy?

They've already done the trilogy. I really doubt there will be any more fights between them two. AJ v Wilder is certainly a possibility but I think Wilder would have an easier job there and I'm not sure AJ would want that fight. He might not have many options if he doesn't win the belt back though.

Quote from: JollyGood on March 24, 2022, 08:46:36 AM

But we don't know how Usyk mentality is, I mean he has his country at war, with his families inside. So hopefully he can train 100% and focus on Joshua.

Hearn said it should be in June. September is a long way away and I think the rematch clause timeframe will have expired by then.

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Quote from: TravelMug on March 23, 2022, 11:05:13 PM

^^ So that is at least a very positive news that Usyk has been given a military excuse to leave and then train for the Joshua fight because we wanted to see the rematch.

But we don't know how Usyk mentality is, I mean he has his country at war, with his families inside. So hopefully he can train 100% and focus on Joshua.

At first I was expecting Usyk not to accept the offer of the Ukrainian military. I thought he was really bent on sticking it out with his people during this very difficult time of their country's existence. That's why I was surprised to learn that he was actually leaving the country already for his rematch against Anthony Joshua. But perhaps he was thinking of giving a certain kind of inspiration to Ukrainians especially to those who are trapped in the war zones. His win could boost the morale of Ukrainians. But who knows? Perhaps the war is over by the time the fight will happen. Just the same I wish him all the luck in his upcoming fight.

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Quote from: TravelMug on March 23, 2022, 11:05:13 PM

^^ So that is at least a very positive news that Usyk has been given a military excuse to leave and then train for the Joshua fight because we wanted to see the rematch.

But we don't know how Usyk mentality is, I mean he has his country at war, with his families inside. So hopefully he can train 100% and focus on Joshua.

That's a big problem for him cause it's hard to train focus while your family is in danger from this war we all know that family is better than our career but I don't think so if Usyk will be disturbed from his training cause he must be relax his mind and trained will because his opponent is not just easy to loss even though this is their rematch but Joshua aiming also that he will win and steal the belt as a champion In their division.

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https://talksport.com/sport/boxing/1071056/oleksandr-usyk-leaves-ukraine-anthony-joshua-rematch/

Usyk has joined the Kyiv Territorial Defence but has now left Ukraine to prepare training for his September 2022 fight against Joshua:

As far as in boxing terms, yes you are right it is positive news that he has been given permission to defend his heavyweight titles against Joshua after the Sports Minister authorised it but who knows how Usyk is feeling mentally? What is his frame of mind?

Thankfully I have never been in that sort of situation but Usyk must be mentally as weak or as strong as any other human being would be in his situation. He most probably is having some sort of guilt feeling because of him leaving military service during this period but at the same time can you imagine the euphoria and boost Ukrainians (both inside the country and in the international diaspora) would receive if the fight went ahead in London and Usyk was victorious again?

Quote from: TravelMug on March 23, 2022, 11:05:13 PM

^^ So that is at least a very positive news that Usyk has been given a military excuse to leave and then train for the Joshua fight because we wanted to see the rematch.

But we don't know how Usyk mentality is, I mean he has his country at war, with his families inside. So hopefully he can train 100% and focus on Joshua.

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^^ So that is at least a very positive news that Usyk has been given a military excuse to leave and then train for the Joshua fight because we wanted to see the rematch.

But we don't know how Usyk mentality is, I mean he has his country at war, with his families inside. So hopefully he can train 100% and focus on Joshua.

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