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The latest news in the media from the Usyk camp is that he has departed from Ukraine earlier today after being given permission to leave military service. It will be an emotional moment for him to leave his country while in a state of war but he is a professional boxer and an elite international sportsman, not a soldier.

For all those wondering whether the rematch with Joshua would be going ahead, it is. I also had some doubts about it but Usyk will fight Joshua at Tottenham Hotspur stadium in September 2022: https://www.the-star.co.ke/sports/boxing/2022-03-24-usyk-to-prepare-for-joshua-rematch-after-gaining-permission-to-leave-ukraine--espn/

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Quote from: aioc on March 18, 2022, 03:45:48 AM

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Quote from: hilariousetc on March 10, 2022, 09:52:19 AM

As much as I respect Usyk and his choices AJ can't wait around forever and if they don't agree to a fight date the deadline for the rematch will probably expire.

Agree. I think AJ should start looking for a new opponent and dont waste time. Usyk has joined civil defense and is protecting his country. It will take a lot of time before war ends, he gets some rest (mentally more than physically), then I think he will help to rebuilt city or do some volunteer work and return to training. As well as it will take time to settle all organizational matters and etc. It will take years before this rematch might happen.

Yeah, he should look for other options now, he need to be active and not wait for Usyk to be available. And so far Eddie Hearn has name four boxers that can potentially replace Usyk.

(1) Deontay Wilder and (2) Luis Ortiz, (3) Otto Wallin, (4) Joe Joyce

But we will see who will be the final pick: (https://www.givemesport.com/87984648-anthony-joshua-next-fight-eddie-hearn-four-potential-opponents-joyce-ortiz-wallin-wilder)

A match with Deontay will generate huge excitement and interest both fighters are coming from losses and they want to make a rebound and they used to be the biggest news in the boxing community until both of them suffer losses, Luis Ortiz is an easy fight Joe Joyce fight is also good because Joyce is a fast-rising star in the British heavyweights, so let's see who will he go, will he go for easy fight or go for a big name.

Well the hype on a Wilder could be greater if they have fought years ago, but since Wilder has lost 2 against Fury already and AJ coming from a lost as well, not sure if they fight will make sense.

So Ortiz or Joe Joyce could be the best option for him, specially the latter. Both of this name has been the front liner and hopefully his camp will choose the best fight for AJ, and maybe it will be good to bring back his confidence before facing Usyk again.

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And so far Eddie Hearn has name four boxers that can potentially replace Usyk.

(1) Deontay Wilder and (2) Luis Ortiz, (3) Otto Wallin, (4) Joe Joyce

An AJ match with Wilder will generate the same buzz that his match with Usyk will generate. It will be huge money making event for the show. But I worry for AJ if he should square it up with Wilder. I believe Wilder will defeat him even in a TKO. AJ should settle for easy challenge just to continue to keep fit, pending Usyk's return so that he does not get severely beaten by Wilder and then start to lose self confidence, which will happen when he gets defeated by him. AJ should go for Ortiz.

That is the right decision Ortiz is old and does not have good endurance this is a safer fight for Joshua if he opted to fight Wilder he is risking his chances to get back on top, two losses and a total of three loses in his career is not good for his legacy Joshua is still a top contender he is still young he just need a good team and focus on his goal and he can start regaining everything with an Ortiz fight.

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Quote from: Kemarit on March 18, 2022, 01:01:17 AM

And so far Eddie Hearn has name four boxers that can potentially replace Usyk.

(1) Deontay Wilder and (2) Luis Ortiz, (3) Otto Wallin, (4) Joe Joyce

An AJ match with Wilder will generate the same buzz that his match with Usyk will generate. It will be huge money making event for the show. But I worry for AJ if he should square it up with Wilder. I believe Wilder will defeat him even in a TKO. AJ should settle for easy challenge just to continue to keep fit, pending Usyk's return so that he does not get severely beaten by Wilder and then start to lose self confidence, which will happen when he gets defeated by him. AJ should go for Ortiz.

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Quote from: coin-investor on March 18, 2022, 04:31:12 AM

~~~a Wilder-Fury fight will generate a lot of excitement as it will become a winner take all match with the losser losing everything.

This would be the 3rd time, or we call it a trilogy?

We know that Fury has beaten Wilder already twice in a row (the first one judges beat Fury) Grin

... So I think there's less excitement already as we know who will win and Wilder could just struggle to find ways to win the unbeatable Fury.

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Quote from: TopTort777 on March 18, 2022, 04:21:27 AM

Quote from: Kemarit on March 18, 2022, 01:01:17 AM

Yeah, he should look for other options now, he need to be active and not wait for Usyk to be available. And so far Eddie Hearn has name four boxers that can potentially replace Usyk.

(1) Deontay Wilder and (2) Luis Ortiz, (3) Otto Wallin, (4) Joe Joyce

But we will see who will be the final pick: (https://www.givemesport.com/87984648-anthony-joshua-next-fight-eddie-hearn-four-potential-opponents-joyce-ortiz-wallin-wilder)

I would be glad if AJ fights Wilder. At first it will be more interesting for boxing fans. This fight will generate a lot of money. Fighting with Luis Ortiz? The guy who is already 42? I think it will be a beating for Ortiz, because AJ will try to recover from a loss to Usyk and show his 200% in this fight.

Seriously, Wilder is the best option. IF AJ wins, it will be fair to let him fight Fury, if he looses, Wilder will have a fourth attempt to beat Fury Cheesy

But it will be disaster, if he looses for third time Cheesy

Joshua has a lot of options and he needs to be back on the right track fighting Ortiz is not good but Ortiz is a mandatory challenger after beating Charles in the title eliminator so if he goes for Ortiz you cannot blame him because he is a mandatory challenger but a Wilder fight is a big gamble because he will be facing a highly motivated Wilder because of the two losses he suffered from Fury, a Wilder-Fury fight will generate a lot of excitement as it will become a winner take all match with the losser losing everything.

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Quote from: Kemarit on March 18, 2022, 01:01:17 AM

Yeah, he should look for other options now, he need to be active and not wait for Usyk to be available. And so far Eddie Hearn has name four boxers that can potentially replace Usyk.

(1) Deontay Wilder and (2) Luis Ortiz, (3) Otto Wallin, (4) Joe Joyce

But we will see who will be the final pick: (https://www.givemesport.com/87984648-anthony-joshua-next-fight-eddie-hearn-four-potential-opponents-joyce-ortiz-wallin-wilder)

I would be glad if AJ fights Wilder. At first it will be more interesting for boxing fans. This fight will generate a lot of money. Fighting with Luis Ortiz? The guy who is already 42? I think it will be a beating for Ortiz, because AJ will try to recover from a loss to Usyk and show his 200% in this fight.

Seriously, Wilder is the best option. IF AJ wins, it will be fair to let him fight Fury, if he looses, Wilder will have a fourth attempt to beat Fury Cheesy

But it will be disaster, if he looses for third time Cheesy

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Quote from: Kemarit on March 18, 2022, 01:01:17 AM

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Quote from: hilariousetc on March 10, 2022, 09:52:19 AM

As much as I respect Usyk and his choices AJ can't wait around forever and if they don't agree to a fight date the deadline for the rematch will probably expire.

Agree. I think AJ should start looking for a new opponent and dont waste time. Usyk has joined civil defense and is protecting his country. It will take a lot of time before war ends, he gets some rest (mentally more than physically), then I think he will help to rebuilt city or do some volunteer work and return to training. As well as it will take time to settle all organizational matters and etc. It will take years before this rematch might happen.

Yeah, he should look for other options now, he need to be active and not wait for Usyk to be available. And so far Eddie Hearn has name four boxers that can potentially replace Usyk.

(1) Deontay Wilder and (2) Luis Ortiz, (3) Otto Wallin, (4) Joe Joyce

But we will see who will be the final pick: (https://www.givemesport.com/87984648-anthony-joshua-next-fight-eddie-hearn-four-potential-opponents-joyce-ortiz-wallin-wilder)

A match with Deontay will generate huge excitement and interest both fighters are coming from losses and they want to make a rebound and they used to be the biggest news in the boxing community until both of them suffer losses, Luis Ortiz is an easy fight Joe Joyce fight is also good because Joyce is a fast-rising star in the British heavyweights, so let's see who will he go, will he go for easy fight or go for a big name.

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Quote from: TopTort777 on March 11, 2022, 04:50:00 AM

Quote from: hilariousetc on March 10, 2022, 09:52:19 AM

As much as I respect Usyk and his choices AJ can't wait around forever and if they don't agree to a fight date the deadline for the rematch will probably expire.

Agree. I think AJ should start looking for a new opponent and dont waste time. Usyk has joined civil defense and is protecting his country. It will take a lot of time before war ends, he gets some rest (mentally more than physically), then I think he will help to rebuilt city or do some volunteer work and return to training. As well as it will take time to settle all organizational matters and etc. It will take years before this rematch might happen.

Yeah, he should look for other options now, he need to be active and not wait for Usyk to be available. And so far Eddie Hearn has name four boxers that can potentially replace Usyk.

(1) Deontay Wilder and (2) Luis Ortiz, (3) Otto Wallin, (4) Joe Joyce

But we will see who will be the final pick: (https://www.givemesport.com/87984648-anthony-joshua-next-fight-eddie-hearn-four-potential-opponents-joyce-ortiz-wallin-wilder)

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Quote from: TopTort777 on March 11, 2022, 04:50:00 AM

Usyk has joined civil defense and is protecting his country. It will take a lot of time before war ends, he gets some rest (mentally more than physically), then I think he will help to rebuilt city or do some volunteer work and return to training. As well as it will take time to settle all organizational matters and etc. It will take years before this rematch might happen.

I have thought of what the outcome will be if things do not go well for Usyk during this war as he went to defend his country. I do not wish him any harm but people do die in wars. War is not a right time to guaranty safety or anyone. What if he dies in the war? AJ better set his mind on getting someone else to fight so he can keep himself in shape. Like you said no one knows when this senseless Putin madness will stop.

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Quote from: hilariousetc on March 10, 2022, 09:52:19 AM

As much as I respect Usyk and his choices AJ can't wait around forever and if they don't agree to a fight date the deadline for the rematch will probably expire.

Agree. I think AJ should start looking for a new opponent and dont waste time. Usyk has joined civil defense and is protecting his country. It will take a lot of time before war ends, he gets some rest (mentally more than physically), then I think he will help to rebuilt city or do some volunteer work and return to training. As well as it will take time to settle all organizational matters and etc. It will take years before this rematch might happen.

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Quote from: hilariousetc on March 10, 2022, 09:52:19 AM

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And after so much speculation about who is Joshua going to pick up as his new trainer (assuming this fight will happen), it seems that he elevated his assistant trainer to full trainer.

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“I’m working with Angel Fernandez right now,” Joshua told Behind the Gloves. “He’s been in my camp for the last three years, anyway. He’s been in the last three world championships.”

Asked if Fernandez was now his “main” trainer, Joshua responded, “Yeah, man.”

https://www.boxingscene.com/anthony-joshua-says-assistant-angel-fernandez-now-assuming-head-training-duties--164592

So no high caliber US trainer for him, at least he will be working someone familiar so there will be transition whatsoever on his part.

Boxing is becoming like football where they just take the easy excuse out and start firing their coaches when it's themselves to blame.

I'm not familiar with football, but yeah I do agree that those boxers who loses high level fights or usually the favorite to win it and then was upset blames everyone in his corner except himself.

We've seen that to Deontay Wilder when he lost to Fury or Ryan Garcia who has fight recently and has been doing good with Reynoso but decided to switch things up win Goosen. When even Canelo says that Ryan doesn't give his 100% in training and obviously he is the one to blame when he almost lost to Campbell, getting knock down for the first time in his career.

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Quote from: TopTort777 on February 24, 2022, 10:32:47 AM

It starting to look like this fight is going to be either postponed for a long, long period or wont happen at all. As Usyk wanted it to be held in Ukraine and it would be fair towards him.

There was sort of information, that they would fight in the middle of May. This date is 100% not going to be a good time for a fight. Usyk currently lives in Kiev. I am sure that now his is busy thinking about this fight.

Even though Usyk won the last fight the ball is probably still in AJ's corner as usually the rematch clause is favoured to the ex-champ who dictate the initial contract so it'll likely be in the country Hearn and AJ want it in. Obviously Ukraine is a no go right now and for the foreseeable future so it'll either be in England or in Dubai or wherever they get a lot of money from. It's an interesting situation with Usyk. Will he turn down the fight and maybe even vacate the belts? As much as I respect Usyk and his choices AJ can't wait around forever and if they don't agree to a fight date the deadline for the rematch will probably expire.

Quote from: Baofeng on March 08, 2022, 07:26:39 AM

And after so much speculation about who is Joshua going to pick up as his new trainer (assuming this fight will happen), it seems that he elevated his assistant trainer to full trainer.

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“I’m working with Angel Fernandez right now,” Joshua told Behind the Gloves. “He’s been in my camp for the last three years, anyway. He’s been in the last three world championships.”

Asked if Fernandez was now his “main” trainer, Joshua responded, “Yeah, man.”

https://www.boxingscene.com/anthony-joshua-says-assistant-angel-fernandez-now-assuming-head-training-duties--164592

So no high caliber US trainer for him, at least he will be working someone familiar so there will be transition whatsoever on his part.

Boxing is becoming like football where they just take the easy excuse out and start firing their coaches when it's themselves to blame.

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And after so much speculation about who is Joshua going to pick up as his new trainer (assuming this fight will happen), it seems that he elevated his assistant trainer to full trainer.

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“I’m working with Angel Fernandez right now,” Joshua told Behind the Gloves. “He’s been in my camp for the last three years, anyway. He’s been in the last three world championships.”

Asked if Fernandez was now his “main” trainer, Joshua responded, “Yeah, man.”

https://www.boxingscene.com/anthony-joshua-says-assistant-angel-fernandez-now-assuming-head-training-duties--164592

So no high caliber US trainer for him, at least he will be working someone familiar so there will be transition whatsoever on his part.

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It starting to look like this fight is going to be either postponed for a long, long period or wont happen at all. As Usyk wanted it to be held in Ukraine and it would be fair towards him.

There was sort of information, that they would fight in the middle of May. This date is 100% not going to be a good time for a fight. Usyk currently lives in Kiev. I am sure that now his is busy thinking about this fight.

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Quote from: eaLiTy on January 15, 2022, 04:16:54 PM

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Usyk has to first deal with the rematch with Joshua, I doubt Joshua will accept some money to step aside as if he did then most likely he will never receive another chance to win a title, so it is all or nothing for Joshua when he fights against Usyk again, however I think that taking into account what we saw it is almost a given Usyk will win the rematch, so what comes next is the biggest question. And while I would like the fight between Fury and Usyk to happen right away, we know that promoters will get in the way.

What surprises me is that majority of the fight fans still think that Anthony Joshua could win the rematch against Usyk and with the hype revolving the rematch, i doubt Anthony Joshua would accept a big payment and step aside.

The biggest problem we need to get rid in boxing is, mandatory rematch clause for one sided beating Cheesy

. My prediction is still Oleksandr Usyk winning the rematch and then meeting Tyson Fury for a mega showdown.

That would be difficult to accept for the champion as most of the time that contract clause is there to protect him in the case of a defeat, however there are many ways in which something like this could be implemented, for example I think that if a fight ends up with more than 8 points of difference this will indicate one boxer dominated most of the fight or there were several good punches that sent the champion to the floor indicating a clear superiority by the challenger, however I am not so sure Usyk would be opposed to the rematch as this will give him more time to adapt to the HW division before his match with Fury.

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It was Fury who recently said "Usyk will smash him. Never mind beating him on points - he'd knock him out" Grin

Quite clearly Fury does not rate Joshua at all in the rematch whenever that might take place. If Joshua loses to Usyk again there would be no real need for Fury to enter the ring with Joshua because Fury would have nothing to prove to anyone whereas Joshua would be hoping to cause a major upset.

If however Joshua beats Usyk (which is highly unlikely in my opinion) then he would be in pole position for a blockbuster pay day unification fight against Fury because there would be a public demand for it. The matter of one fighter holding all the belts is too good an opportunity for broadcasters to miss out on. In my opinion Usyk will beat Joshua then go on to have a unification fight against Fury. In the end, Fury will be undisputed unified heavyweight champion.

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Total Votes: 24
Joshua: 6
Usyk: 18
Draw: 0

Not many here in the forum think Joshua will be able to beat Usyk in the rematch. As of now the poll shows 75% of the votes are for Usyk to win and only 25% so far believe Joshua will win.

Well that's not surprising given everybody saw the last fight. Unless AJ does something vastly different or just goes all out for a KO I think the exact same result will happen.

According to Eddie Hearn it seems AJ would want 15 million to step aside and Dillian Whyte 5 million:

https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/17382164/anthony-joshua-dillian-whyte-tyson-fury-fight-usyk/

Can't see that happening. Makes much more sense to me for for AJ to just do the rematch with Usyk then the winner fights Fury (assuming Whyte doesn't win which almost certainly isn't going to happen). Even if AJ loses I'm sure the Fury/AJ fight would still be huge.

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Quote from: JollyGood on January 16, 2022, 10:34:04 AM

Total Votes: 24
Joshua: 6
Usyk: 18
Draw: 0

Not many here in the forum think Joshua will be able to beat Usyk in the rematch. As of now the poll shows 75% of the votes are for Usyk to win and only 25% so far believe Joshua will win.

Well that's not surprising given everybody saw the last fight. Unless AJ does something vastly different or just goes all out for a KO I think the exact same result will happen.

According to Eddie Hearn it seems AJ would want 15 million to step aside and Dillian Whyte 5 million:

https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/17382164/anthony-joshua-dillian-whyte-tyson-fury-fight-usyk/

Can't see that happening. Makes much more sense to me for for AJ to just do the rematch with Usyk then the winner fights Fury (assuming Whyte doesn't win which almost certainly isn't going to happen). Even if AJ loses I'm sure the Fury/AJ fight would still be huge.

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Quote from: TopTort777 on January 06, 2022, 07:36:14 AM

As both Fury and Usyk are in their best forms right now, if I were them, I would force event to have a fight. The winner will get all 4 major belts and will be best of the best in heavyweights. Waiting means loosing chances to become the one with all belts. With current pandemic situation, as coin-investor said, it will take years before these two will meet.

As I understand, Fury has not contract obligatory to fight anyone. But Usyk must either prepare for Fury and try to get all the belts and face financial consequences for not having a rematch with Joshua. Or put the idea of obtaining all 4 belts on a higher shelve.

Seeing it from that point of view, the one who has the most pressure is Usyk, because the others do not need to show much, but I have seen that Usyk is more hungry to win than to be the best, to show the world that he cannot leave without facing the best , it is very easy to pretend that you can win everything without having faced the best, that is like having a title with almost no effort, which does not have much relevance, well that is how I see it and I think any fighter too . This reminds me of Pacquiao's fight with Myweather, when after the match Myweather what he did was run away from the Filipino, he told him that he didn't want any more revenge, which seemed to me to make him afraid of a possible second match.

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Total Votes: 24
Joshua: 6
Usyk: 18
Draw: 0

Not many here in the forum think Joshua will be able to beat Usyk in the rematch. As of now the poll shows 75% of the votes are for Usyk to win and only 25% so far believe Joshua will win.

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