Topic: [ BOXING POLL ADDED ] The Rematch - JOSHUA vs USYK II (updated thread) - page 11. (Read 3510 times)

You make a point about Usyk giving Joshua a rematch but I don't see him beating Joshua in the second fight and I don't what you use to predict Usyk winning the rematch because for the record he won by the unanimous decision, not by KO.
Having said that, Joshua also needs to change the habit of loose his first fight with the opponent and later defeating the person in the rematch because it making it look like he's selling the first fight.

For Usyk, it's better for him to give Joshua the rematch as beating him twice will not make people doubt about his real talent in boxing, it will also boost his ranking among the best heavyweights in the world, and no other opportunity for him after winning in a rematch but to fight with Fury who is currently the number 1 in the world. Then probably loser vs loser or (Joshua vs Wilder) too. 

What surprises me is that majority of the fight fans still think that Anthony Joshua could win the rematch against Usyk and with the hype revolving the rematch, i doubt Anthony Joshua would accept a big payment and step aside.
 
The biggest problem we need to get rid in boxing is, mandatory rematch clause for one sided beating  . My prediction is still Oleksandr Usyk winning the rematch and then meeting Tyson Fury for a mega showdown.

Usyk has to first deal with the rematch with Joshua, I doubt Joshua will accept some money to step aside as if he did then most likely he will never receive another chance to win a title, so it is all or nothing for Joshua when he fights against Usyk again, however I think that taking into account what we saw it is almost a given Usyk will win the rematch, so what comes next is the biggest question. And while I would like the fight between Fury and Usyk to happen right away, we know that promoters will get in the way.

As both Fury and Usyk are in their best forms right now, if I were them, I would force event to have a fight. The winner will get all 4 major belts and will be best of the best in heavyweights. Waiting means loosing chances to become the one with all belts. With current pandemic situation, as coin-investor said, it will take years before these two will meet.

As I understand, Fury has not contract obligatory to fight anyone. But Usyk must either prepare for Fury and try to get all the belts and face financial consequences for not having a rematch with Joshua. Or put the idea of obtaining all 4 belts on a higher shelve.

That will take 2 to 3 years and many things can happen in a span of a year, if you are a champion and want to establish your legacy, you'll go for fights that will build your legacy, Usyk wants Fury right away because beating Fury at his peak will give him a shot to greatness beating an old Fury will get him nowhere so Usyk wants Fury after Joshua, and it could happen if he beats Joshua.

Unfortunately yes, this is what I think it could happen on the heavyweight division, as a fan of boxing I want to see big fights right away but I need to be realistic, it is not on the best interest of Usyk to take on Fury right away, it is better for him to gain more weight and adapt himself to the division while he waits for Fury to get older so his skills diminish, it is boring and it is not what we want but I think it is exactly what a promoter could do.

You mean even more delays in the heavyweight division? Probably right. It seems like we'll never get the fighters in their prime, fighting against other in their prime fighters. I can see Fury retiring before these fights are even made, Joshua collecting more losses, and Usyk becoming the dominant champ without really being challenged by the best. Wilder likely probably goes back to fighting inside America against other American fighters. Whyte, Delboy, and Parker all retire, and the division then becomes irrelevant, and not worth watching for a long time.

We got spoiled with the Fury, and Wilder fight because at least we got a big fight. Despite it largely being utter dominance in favour of Fury.

The most popular boxers in his division now are Joshua and Fury only (counting out Wilder), if he gets a rematch with Joshua, then that is good for him as he would still make big money, but if not, he should not waste the opportunity and take on the best fighter in heavyweight division.

It is because of this I think that in the case Usyk beats Joshua, which is the most likely scenario, Usyk will not go for the fight against Fury immediately, he needs more experience and to refine his technique even more if he wants to beat Fury, the difference in their size is significant and Fury will use it to his full advantage, now even if Usyk took that time there is no guarantee he will beat Fury, but at least I think his chances will improve slightly, so there is a chance that is the path he will follow.

Usyk needs to defeat Joshua in the rematch before any potential fight with Fury can take place. The rematch clause was inserted to protect the champions therefore Joshua still can try to get his reputation and legacy back but Usyk will probably win again.

There was talk about Joshua willing to accept $40 million from Fury to step aide and allow Fury to fight Usyk with a guarantee he would be able to fight Fury next but that did not transpire because Fury is willing to fight anybody as long as the money is on the table and if he is forced by the governing body, he has nothing to prove to anybody. It is Joshua that needs to beat Usyk to prove himself a worthy contender to face Fury but right now with Wilder out of the way and Joshua already beaten it is Usyk stands as the only worthy contender to face Fury. Unfortunately for him, if they ever meet in the ring I think Fury will either punish him all the way to 12 rounds and win on points or he will simply knock him out within 2-3 rounds.

The AJ who fought Klitschko would beat Olexsandr Usyk.. the game plan was all wrong and he came un-stuck, the truth about Usyk is he is much bigger than people credit him for plus there is no one who could out box him, fairplay to AJ for having a go but having a go is not using his smarts to beat him, AJ needs controlled aggression to win this rematch, for 1st 5-6 rounds he needs to hit that body hard and break Usyk down, take his legs from under him and then set him up for that signature AJ uppercut.

Joshua needs to win first against Usyk before he can talk about a possible fight with Fury.

For sure this will be a good and money fight for both, but I reckon it won't be a 50/50 fight. Fury is going to be the A-side so most probably he will get the biggest of the purse. But Joshua should look at Usyk on their rematch he has a big task ahead of him and should have a good plan on how to beat Usyk by decision, or better yet, by a big knock out.

It would be a good fight if they managed to make a good deal and promote the fight with Fury but as we know, the negotiation will take too long since both teams wanted to get the best of it. More likely the fight Joshua will be possible again next year because this won't take a lot of negotiation because Joshua wanted to regain back his honor and prove that he is the comeback king of the heavyweight division.

But it will make sense for Usyk to go directly to Fury for unification and big money fights next year.

I reckon that this is going to be the path they are going, and not risk of fighting anyone for less money and who knows, there could be upset.

As for AJ, obviously, he needs to win convincingly against a very technical fighter in Usyk just to put his name on the contention for a Fury fight in London and again, probably his biggest paycheck. But we all know that he is going to lose to Fury anyway.

Joshua was on to a money jackpot to face Fury if he beat Usyk but the fact he was completely outclassed by Usyk shows Joshua would never be able to stand up to the fire-power of Fury or even Wilder for that matter.

I do not believe Joshua would get enter the ring with Fury or anybody else to settle scores over verbal attacks or anything else - it has to be about the money, if the purse strings are heavy then any boxer will fight any boxer that is a fact. Look at the way social media stars are getting in on the bandwagon and actually fighting professional boxers are both are getting paid huge amount of money.

Joshua is already more rich than he could ever have imagined but his legacy is in tatters unless he defeats Usyk and then tries to fight Fury. If anything else happens he will be simply remembered for defeating fighters that were in his scope to be beaten but was beaten and outclassed by fighters that showed him to be less technical when paired up against Ruiz and Usyk.

What would be the point of Fury vs Joshua going ahead if there was no heavyweight title at stake? I have a suspicion the fight will not go ahead even if Joshua beats Usyk there is no demand in the masses to watch Fury vs Joshua now. It is time for up and coming fighters to have their moment in the ring.

Correct, but it is not only that, for a long time fans have been wanting to see a match to get an undisputed champion on the heavyweight division but due to different circumstances it has not been possible to arrange it, so the shortest path for us to see it would be for Usyk to beat Joshua again and then enter negotiations with Fury’s camp, this way we could see that fight next year, still there is the possibility that Usyk could prefer to at least hold another fight or two against different opponents before facing Fury so we may not get the fight as soon as we want.

No reports whatsoever, I speculate that he will make the decision next year as to who is going to pick as his new trainer for the Usyk rematch.

Really boils down as how AJ will really have to react to the new trainer, usually if backfires though, but let's see this time. He really needs to win this fight to force a rubber match or go directly to Fury for one of the biggest fights next year in British history.

Fury is where the money is therefore it makes sense for all the fighters to try to get in the ring with him. If any of the top boxers want to make a huge payday or the biggest payday they can make then it seems all road lead to Fury.....

I think both of them are looking for Fury for their next fight because it's going to be lucrative specially for Anthony Joshua that's why this is a must win for him. Not sure if there are going to be a rematch clause though so maybe we will see a 3rd fight and then Fury goes to fight another boxer not name Joshua or Usyk.

Anyone heard though as to who will be Joshua's next trainer? Did he choose already?