Topic: [ BOXING POLL ADDED ] The Rematch - JOSHUA vs USYK II (updated thread) - page 27. (Read 3520 times)
September 13, 2021, 03:33:01 AM
If we imagine that Usyk wins, will his next opponent be Fury? Fury is to big for him. Or Wilder - he is also to big for him. In 2018, in the finals of "World Boxing Super Series: cruiserweight" Usyk faced Murat Gassiev (an example of one-punch-boxer. Like Wilder, who wins most fights with one heavy punch) and totally outclassed him. If Usyk wins and faces Fury, he would lose, but if he faces Wilder, he still has chances. I will cheer for him on September 25, but don't really believe he can win
September 09, 2021, 02:13:14 PM
Thanks for bumping this thread, I had completely forgotten about this fight, Joshua is the favorite here and I would like for him to win so we can finally see Joshua and Fury going at each other, but Usyk is no going to be an easy opponent as he is the first undisputed cruiserweight champion and he is undefeated, so this has without a doubt the makings of a great fight, I just hope the fight itself lives up to the hype.
September 09, 2021, 12:24:43 PM
Btw, Tyson Fury in his interview announced his preferences for the next 4 fights, but at the same time he did not say a word about Usyk, (how can he technically fight Joshua if Usyk hypothetically wins the fight?).
At least he's interested in fighting and claims he could box Dillian Whyte by the end of the year. Hopefully that happens as I'd like to see him more active. I'm hoping Ngannou gets a fight in MMA soon and ends up in boxing because I'd like to see him against people like Fury, AJ and Wilder etc. Not much left for him in the UFC I don't think unless Jones is willing to fight him but he's not going to get the money he's asking for.
And finally, has anyone already changed their mind about the favorite? [this is what I think about it]
Joshua is a great fighter ... but I'm afraid Usyk will ruin his career. in 2015 I watched Usyk's title defense live, and then he was no less a dangerous fighter than he is now. The only option in which Joshua can win is based on training the spirit .. no matter how strange it sounds, but probably his best solution would be to train and meditate in some kind of Tibetan monastery. 
I don't think it will be an easy fight for AJ but I think he'll get the win here. Hoping he does at least so there's no set backs for the Fury fight.
September 09, 2021, 12:09:56 PM
Bump / People, whatever you want, while I'm slowly preparing for the upcoming battle, adding Usyk's victory to all my multi-bets, (therefore, on September 25, let's see how far-sighted I was, or vice versa). Btw, Tyson Fury in his interview announced his preferences for the next 4 fights, but at the same time he did not say a word about Usyk, (how can he technically fight Joshua if Usyk hypothetically wins the fight?).
And finally, has anyone already changed their mind about the favorite? [this is what I think about it]
And finally, has anyone already changed their mind about the favorite? [this is what I think about it]
Joshua is a great fighter ... but I'm afraid Usyk will ruin his career. in 2015 I watched Usyk's title defense live, and then he was no less a dangerous fighter than he is now. The only option in which Joshua can win is based on training the spirit .. no matter how strange it sounds, but probably his best solution would be to train and meditate in some kind of Tibetan monastery.
July 20, 2021, 10:12:33 AM
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BREAKING NEWS !!!
The fight has been set for 25th September 2021
at Tottenham Hotspur Stadium
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BREAKING NEWS !!!
The fight has been set for 25th September 2021
at Tottenham Hotspur Stadium
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The report is on SKY SPORTS
July 14, 2021, 05:31:55 PM
You gave a very detailed analysis and observation. On a technical basis Usyk might have a superior boxing style than that of Joshua but Joshua is physically more imposing and in better shape.
With the poll in this thread standing at 65% Joshua and 35% Usyk, it is a lot better than I thought because 19 votes are for Joshua and 9 for Usyk. It shows voters think Usyk is not going to be a pushover. I think he will cause problems for Joshua because he is a southpaw and he is dangerous. Usyk will go in to the fight with a view to getting a massive pay opportunity at least twice if he wins because of the re-match clause. Usyk will probably try to catch Joshua on the chin to floor him like Ruiz did and if that happens then Usyk will probably win.
On paper this is an almost definite win for Joshua but in the ring anything can happen. I have no doubt Joshua will go in to the ring with the mentality he showed against Ruiz in the re-match. He will feel he does not have to win by knockout therefore he will try to box his way to a points decision unless Usyk runs out of steam. I think Joshua will not underestimate Usyk but fighting a dangerous southpaw will not be easy but having said that most people and gambling sites would make Joshua favourite to win.
With the poll in this thread standing at 65% Joshua and 35% Usyk, it is a lot better than I thought because 19 votes are for Joshua and 9 for Usyk. It shows voters think Usyk is not going to be a pushover. I think he will cause problems for Joshua because he is a southpaw and he is dangerous. Usyk will go in to the fight with a view to getting a massive pay opportunity at least twice if he wins because of the re-match clause. Usyk will probably try to catch Joshua on the chin to floor him like Ruiz did and if that happens then Usyk will probably win.
On paper this is an almost definite win for Joshua but in the ring anything can happen. I have no doubt Joshua will go in to the ring with the mentality he showed against Ruiz in the re-match. He will feel he does not have to win by knockout therefore he will try to box his way to a points decision unless Usyk runs out of steam. I think Joshua will not underestimate Usyk but fighting a dangerous southpaw will not be easy but having said that most people and gambling sites would make Joshua favourite to win.
Also, Usyk while definitely having a chance here in this fight, has the better odds if your looking for value of money. I've got Usyk at 2.75 while Joshua was something like 1.40, which in my opinion is far to wide considering the opposition, and record of Usyk.
I might go for Usyk by decision. There will likely be a few Joshua knockdowns, but I believe Usyk will be able to out point him with what I consider his superior boxing, and might just be able to get some knockdowns himself.
I might go for Usyk by decision. There will likely be a few Joshua knockdowns, but I believe Usyk will be able to out point him with what I consider his superior boxing, and might just be able to get some knockdowns himself.
July 14, 2021, 03:53:18 PM
Im not hyping Usyk, but there seems to be not such a big difference for him to box in cruiserweight and heavy. Cruiser is below 91kg. According to wiki Usyk is 98kg that means he always cut in his past. He is 1.91m. The guy that tall simply can not be light So in general he was always sort of a heavyweight. Last fight Joshuas weight was 240 pounds or about 108kg. If Usyk gains a bit (and he will), there will be not such a big difference between them. But due to pumped muscles, Joshua looks bigger if we put them together 
I was checking the social media pages of Oleksandr Usyk and it looks like he is trying to increase his weight for the fight and in my opinion it will not end up great, he should not increase more weight than he usually fights and this is boxing and if ground fighting was involved then gaining weight would have made sense, i wont be surprise if Oleksandr Usyk gets tired easily if he is fighting above his normal fighting weight. So in general he was always sort of a heavyweight. Last fight Joshuas weight was 240 pounds or about 108kg. If Usyk gains a bit (and he will), there will be not such a big difference between them. But due to pumped muscles, Joshua looks bigger if we put them together July 14, 2021, 12:26:16 PM
Im not hyping Usyk, but there seems to be not such a big difference for him to box in cruiserweight and heavy. Cruiser is below 91kg. According to wiki Usyk is 98kg that means he always cut in his past. He is 1.91m. The guy that tall simply can not be light So in general he was always sort of a heavyweight. Last fight Joshuas weight was 240 pounds or about 108kg. If Usyk gains a bit (and he will), there will be not such a big difference between them. But due to pumped muscles, Joshua looks bigger if we put them together
So in general he was always sort of a heavyweight. Last fight Joshuas weight was 240 pounds or about 108kg. If Usyk gains a bit (and he will), there will be not such a big difference between them. But due to pumped muscles, Joshua looks bigger if we put them together July 12, 2021, 06:29:35 PM
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Usyk has advanced from cruiserweight to heavyweight. He has got only 1 fight as a heavy, but won everything as a cruiser. He has a great number of amateur fight also. His strenght are speed and long combos. His weakness is lack of weight probably. He will be lightest heavyweight.
So this is his second fighting of Usyk in the Heavyweight division, i watched a few highlights and he fights smartly and i was thinking about Usyk having an advantage because of the hype he is getting from other forums and social media and i have not seen anyone mentioning that this is his second fight in the Heavyweight division, now i am having some hopes for Fury and Joshua Usyk has advanced from cruiserweight to heavyweight. He has got only 1 fight as a heavy, but won everything as a cruiser. He has a great number of amateur fight also. His strenght are speed and long combos. His weakness is lack of weight probably. He will be lightest heavyweight.
. July 12, 2021, 03:57:44 PM
Joshua @1.45
Usyk @2.95
Live: Joshua, Anthony - Usyk, Oleksandr / 21.08.2021 [By the way, the date was also postponed]Usyk @2.95
I don’t know about you, but I found more profitable coefficients, and immediately made a small bet to come back to this event later ... but I still cannot believe that coefficient providers rate Usyk’s chances so low. Going back a little bit ... "Joshua is a great fighter ... but I'm afraid Usyk will ruin his career."
[...] in 2015 I watched Usyk's title defense live, and then he was no less a dangerous fighter than he is now. The only option in which Joshua can win is based on training the spirit .. no matter how strange it sounds, but probably his best solution would be to train and meditate in some kind of Tibetan monastery.
Seriously ... 3 votes for Usik? I'm just wondering what was the motivation behind the people when they voted for Joshua ... (besides sympathies based on nationality). Being left-handed is a big advantage in the boxing world, as lefties set the pace ... not to mention the mirror image. Btw, I looked at the historical summary and I see that the most epic fights with the greatest boxers were against left-handers, (I can easily make a bet with any hardcore Anthony fan).
July 12, 2021, 09:25:27 AM
But I would tend to agree with @hilariousetc said, this is going to be close. Not going to be like a walk in the park for Joshua. Last time he did, he lost to Andy Ruiz. So he shouldn't take this fight lightly, as Usyk might pull an upset here.
Shouldn't that how everyone should compete in sports? Giving all they've got and their best? Joshua's defeat against Ruiz is a deserved one in my opinion, given how he isn't serious with that fight. Don't know much about Usyk but he seems to be good with combos that might weather out Joshua in later rounds.Usyk has advanced from cruiserweight to heavyweight. He has got only 1 fight as a heavy, but won everything as a cruiser. He has a great number of amateur fight also. His strenght are speed and long combos. His weakness is lack of weight probably. He will be lightest heavyweight.
July 12, 2021, 08:51:43 AM
But I would tend to agree with @hilariousetc said, this is going to be close. Not going to be like a walk in the park for Joshua. Last time he did, he lost to Andy Ruiz. So he shouldn't take this fight lightly, as Usyk might pull an upset here.
Shouldn't that how everyone should compete in sports? Giving all they've got and their best? Joshua's defeat against Ruiz is a deserved one in my opinion, given how he isn't serious with that fight. Don't know much about Usyk but he seems to be good with combos that might weather out Joshua in later rounds. 
July 12, 2021, 06:25:04 AM
Here are the current odds of the fight:
Joshua @1.45
Usyk @2.95
That's only ML, there are no other betting options left. But I would tend to agree with @hilariousetc said, this is going to be close. Not going to be like a walk in the park for Joshua. Last time he did, he lost to Andy Ruiz. So he shouldn't take this fight lightly, as Usyk might pull an upset here.
Joshua @1.45
Usyk @2.95
That's only ML, there are no other betting options left. But I would tend to agree with @hilariousetc said, this is going to be close. Not going to be like a walk in the park for Joshua. Last time he did, he lost to Andy Ruiz. So he shouldn't take this fight lightly, as Usyk might pull an upset here.
June 29, 2021, 10:56:32 AM
The fight is on for Saturday, 25 September 2021 according to Hearn.
https://www.dazn.com/en-GB/news/boxing/eddie-hearn-confirms-date-for-anthony-joshua-vs-oleksandr-usyk/1hppvktx4cezv16fjkkup43a6r
"Joshua v Usyk announcement, don't want to say two weeks as you guys are bored of me saying that. September 25 is the date." Said Hearn.
With Fury scheduled to defend his WBC title against Wilder on July 24th, a victory against the American will pave the way for an encounter with the winner of Joshua vs. Usyk"
I think it will be a closer fight than people are expecting. Could go the distance and I think AJ snatches it on points but it would be a bit of a road block towards the AJ Fury fight it AJ loses. If AJ makes it through I wonder if they could squeeze the first fight in before the end of the year, late December. Three months should be more than enough to prepare for that and they'll both be in tip top condition from their current respective fights so it would make sense to go straight into camp for the next one rather than dilly dally and get out of shape again. As long as there's no injuries for either party then it's certainly doable but otherwise next year it will have to be.
https://www.dazn.com/en-GB/news/boxing/eddie-hearn-confirms-date-for-anthony-joshua-vs-oleksandr-usyk/1hppvktx4cezv16fjkkup43a6r
"Joshua v Usyk announcement, don't want to say two weeks as you guys are bored of me saying that. September 25 is the date." Said Hearn.
With Fury scheduled to defend his WBC title against Wilder on July 24th, a victory against the American will pave the way for an encounter with the winner of Joshua vs. Usyk"
I think it will be a closer fight than people are expecting. Could go the distance and I think AJ snatches it on points but it would be a bit of a road block towards the AJ Fury fight it AJ loses. If AJ makes it through I wonder if they could squeeze the first fight in before the end of the year, late December. Three months should be more than enough to prepare for that and they'll both be in tip top condition from their current respective fights so it would make sense to go straight into camp for the next one rather than dilly dally and get out of shape again. As long as there's no injuries for either party then it's certainly doable but otherwise next year it will have to be.
June 13, 2021, 01:39:01 PM
While I do agree with most of the points you said about Anthony Joshua, I think those are also some of the areas that he needs to improve on which I think he is addressing them now.
Usyk, on the other hand, is a hungry fighter. I watched some of his fights and he has this natural and raw talent that rarely do you see in boxing. While Anthony Joshua is gifted with his explosive power, I do think he lacks certain fundamentals that Usyk has. I am very eager to see the outcome of this fight and I'll cast my vote to the Usyk!
And I agree, you do not get to have so much success and have all of those belts if you were not smart in addressing your deficiencies as a fighter, the biggest problem for Joshua however is one that he cannot correct and that is that his chin is kind of weak, if he receives a good punch there then he is going down, luckily for him Usyk does not have the biggest punching power but he is also working on that, so I am expecting a good fight but my money is on Usyk as well. Usyk, on the other hand, is a hungry fighter. I watched some of his fights and he has this natural and raw talent that rarely do you see in boxing. While Anthony Joshua is gifted with his explosive power, I do think he lacks certain fundamentals that Usyk has. I am very eager to see the outcome of this fight and I'll cast my vote to the Usyk!
June 10, 2021, 06:15:35 PM
AJ- Fury will surely push one and i dont see for Wilder to have another chance or simply that cry baby would able to take that trilogy unless if there would be some business involved in the middle line then expect the unexpected.
Wilder messed up the entire plans because of his legal actions if not we would have seen the most anticipated fights in history which was Joshua and Fury and now i am sure it will be an easy day for Fury in his trilogy but for Joshua it is a really good test and hopefully he will overcome that.For AJ and Usyk then i do agree that Usyk is a dangerous opponent that he shouldnt really be going easy on it because you wouldnt know on when that lucky punch would go in. Its true that weakness had been exposed out
Whose weakness are you talking about, are you telling that the weakness of Joshua is exposed, you need to give credits to Andy Ruiz Jr as well because he was short and his hand speed was incredible and Joshua was not able to do anything in the fight and it was a clear defeat but he came back and fought well.The weakness i see is that Joshua is not able to adapt on the fly in a fight when one method is not working.
June 10, 2021, 06:08:45 PM
I have casted my vote for Usyk. By all means he is superior of Joshua. His advantages rest not only in boxing stance but in footwork, speed and creativity in fighting.
Dont forget that Usyk likes and often does long series of punches, while Joshua like 1-2 or 4 punch combination. The trick is, Usyk is able to throw 10 punch combo during all 12 round and still have enough stamina to move from Joshua strikes. I think that is the thing Joshua dont have - stamina. It is hard to pump all his muscles with oxygen during all 12 rounds.
While I do agree with most of the points you said about Anthony Joshua, I think those are also some of the areas that he needs to improve on which I think he is addressing them now.
Usyk, on the other hand, is a hungry fighter. I watched some of his fights and he has this natural and raw talent that rarely do you see in boxing. While Anthony Joshua is gifted with his explosive power, I do think he lacks certain fundamentals that Usyk has. I am very eager to see the outcome of this fight and I'll cast my vote to the Usyk!
June 10, 2021, 01:33:27 PM
I have casted my vote for Usyk. By all means he is superior of Joshua. His advantages rest not only in boxing stance but in footwork, speed and creativity in fighting.
Dont forget that Usyk likes and often does long series of punches, while Joshua like 1-2 or 4 punch combination. The trick is, Usyk is able to throw 10 punch combo during all 12 round and still have enough stamina to move from Joshua strikes. I think that is the thing Joshua dont have - stamina. It is hard to pump all his muscles with oxygen during all 12 rounds.
June 08, 2021, 11:19:27 AM
I have casted my vote for Usyk. By all means he is superior of Joshua. His advantages rest not only in boxing stance but in footwork, speed and creativity in fighting. [..]
Man, you forgot about the main thing .. For fighters from post-Soviet states, the guest duel is also an advantage, since the performance on the "enemy" territory is seriously motivating, (and I'm pretty sure that the Usyk mentality is no exception). You also very opportunely mentioned "boxing creativity", since I also tend to think that his boxing thinking is an order of magnitude superior to that of all modern boxers, (I hope we will see victory by knockout). 
June 08, 2021, 07:44:29 AM
I have casted my vote for Usyk. By all means he is superior of Joshua. His advantages rest not only in boxing stance but in footwork, speed and creativity in fighting.
Dont forget that Usyk likes and often does long series of punches, while Joshua like 1-2 or 4 punch combination. The trick is, Usyk is able to throw 10 punch combo during all 12 round and still have enough stamina to move from Joshua strikes. I think that is the thing Joshua dont have - stamina. It is hard to pump all his muscles with oxygen during all 12 rounds.
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