[ BOXING POLL ADDED ] The Rematch - JOSHUA vs USYK II (updated thread) - page 28.

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Quote from: icopress on May 26, 2021, 09:25:58 AM

Seriously ... 3 votes for Usik? I'm just wondering what was the motivation behind the people when they voted for Joshua ...

I have casted my vote for Usyk. By all means he is superior of Joshua. His advantages rest not only in boxing stance but in footwork, speed and creativity in fighting. Joshua is a tough cookie and amasing man with strong musculus but Usyk was cracking the shit out of those stronger than him.

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Quote from: fortunecrypto on June 04, 2021, 06:01:49 PM

Usyk is a dangerous opponent he is undefeated he is hungry and he wants to be in the spotlight and he knows that Joshua has a weak spot it was exposed by Ruiz, when he was upset so it's going to be an interesting match, Joshua is on it's way to a great legacy if he can unite all titles and he must hurdle this one so he can have a chance on unifying the heavyweight crown, I'm sure he will fight whoever wins on the Wilder - Fury third fight.

The level of motivation of a fighter cannot be underestimated, Usyk is hungry, he was the undisputed cruiserweight champion and despite this he is still hungry for more glory as he knows the most popular division is the heavyweight division and he wants to become successful on that division as well, but when I see Joshua I do not see that same hunger, I see someone just fighting to keep making money and be on the spotlight and despite the advantage he has in height and reach I will pick Usyk to win this fight.

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Quote from: fortunecrypto on June 04, 2021, 06:01:49 PM

Usyk is a dangerous opponent he is undefeated he is hungry and he wants to be in the spotlight and he knows that Joshua has a weak spot it was exposed by Ruiz, when he was upset so it's going to be an interesting match, Joshua is on it's way to a great legacy if he can unite all titles and he must hurdle this one so he can have a chance on unifying the heavyweight crown, I'm sure he will fight whoever wins on the Wilder - Fury third fight.

Usyk will surely have an advantage here. For sure he already knew the weaknesses of Joshua. Usyk is really aiming to win this fight and he had a long preparation for it. However, Joshua still has a good record and I believe that he'll do everything to maintain it. It will surely be a great and exciting match.

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Quote from: fortunecrypto on June 04, 2021, 06:01:49 PM

Usyk is a dangerous opponent he is undefeated he is hungry and he wants to be in the spotlight and he knows that Joshua has a weak spot it was exposed by Ruiz, when he was upset so it's going to be an interesting match, Joshua is on it's way to a great legacy if he can unite all titles and he must hurdle this one so he can have a chance on unifying the heavyweight crown, I'm sure he will fight whoever wins on the Wilder - Fury third fight.

AJ- Fury will surely push one and i dont see for Wilder to have another chance or simply that cry baby would able to take that trilogy unless if there would be some business involved in the middle line then expect the unexpected.

For AJ and Usyk then i do agree that Usyk is a dangerous opponent that he shouldnt really be going easy on it because you wouldnt know on when that lucky punch would go in. Its true that weakness had been exposed out

but we do really believe that AJ didnt overcome and resolved out that issue problem? For sure they are already prepared.

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Usyk is a dangerous opponent he is undefeated he is hungry and he wants to be in the spotlight and he knows that Joshua has a weak spot it was exposed by Ruiz, when he was upset so it's going to be an interesting match, Joshua is on it's way to a great legacy if he can unite all titles and he must hurdle this one so he can have a chance on unifying the heavyweight crown, I'm sure he will fight whoever wins on the Wilder - Fury third fight.

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Quote from: Saisher on June 03, 2021, 09:06:55 AM

Like all the majority here I also voted for Joshua to win the fight Usyk is a good fighter with a good knock out ratio, but Joshua is now a different beast after a huge upset in the hands of Ruiz, I don't think he will make the same mistake as he did with Ruiz and that is overestimating his opponent, he is more calculated, always train hard and never take a chance I see employing the same method as he did with Ruiz.

The difference is that Usyk is not Ruiz, if we are honest Ruiz got lucky on the first fight with that punch behind the ear that left Joshua disoriented all the fight and when it came the second fight I knew what the result will be just by looking at the fighters being weighted, Joshua was lighter and more agile while Ruiz came way heavier, Usyk is a great boxer and I think he has been working on increasing his punching power, so with all that in mind I think that a bet on Usyk makes more sense now as it could pay good money as the odds are too favorable to Joshua.

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Like all the majority here I also voted for Joshua to win the fight Usyk is a good fighter with a good knock out ratio, but Joshua is now a different beast after a huge upset in the hands of Ruiz, I don't think he will make the same mistake as he did with Ruiz and that is overestimating his opponent, he is more calculated, always train hard and never take a chance I see employing the same method as he did with Ruiz.

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Also, Usyk while definitely having a chance here in this fight, has the better odds if your looking for value of money. I've got Usyk at 2.75 while Joshua was something like 1.40, which in my opinion is far to wide considering the opposition, and record of Usyk.

I might go for Usyk by decision. There will likely be a few Joshua knockdowns, but I believe Usyk will be able to out point him with what I consider his superior boxing, and might just be able to get some knockdowns himself.

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Quote from: pilosopotasyo on May 25, 2021, 06:14:08 PM

Even though Usyk is undefeated and has fought a lot of good fighters many members here still favors Joshua to win the fight both fighters have a good amount of motivation, for Joshua he needs to win it so he can have a day against Fury and Usyk because three titles are on the line and he can possibly fight who wins between Fury and Wilder for a unification bout, so many at stakes for both fighters here.

Joshua has some physical advantage to Usyk due to his muscular body and height but still Usyk is damm good fighter who will give tough competition to him.I personally believe that Usyk have some good moves and winnings from his last match and ranked best active cruserweight by the Ring and TBRB and is more quicker than Joshua but still a tough competition between them as to who wins this fight ahead.

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Quote from: plr on May 26, 2021, 07:15:26 PM

This is a good tune-up fight for whoever he is going to face on the winner of the Fury - Wilder match, but we all know Joshua got a huge upset from Ruiz, and Usyk is a much better fight than Ruiz, so Joshua must be very careful not to get caught in an upset, he is the heavy favorite but Usyk is an undefeated and can pull out an upset.

Maybe we shouldn't worry about the next fight, pretty sure that this fight is going to be tiring for both sides so a rest is going to be the best thing to do. Usyk is a pretty good fighter and I think that Usyk will have a higher chance to win against Joshua. That's my gut telling me but I could be wrong.

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Quote from: Obito on June 02, 2021, 03:59:22 AM

Plus Usyk is a Southpaw which is a natural weakness of an Orthodox fighter so Joshua needs to be extra careful about it since Usyk isn't just any fighter and he will do what it takes to keep his record clean. I just hope that we will see a really good fight in this one because I haven't seen one for awhile except for Oubaali vs Donaire.

I'm expecting a few knockdowns, but I also think if Joshua is caught, and knocked down then I think Usyk will dominate from then on out, and possibly end the night early. I'm really hoping for an absolute war which goes into the later rounds though. At least if that happens I'll feel a little bit better about the Joshua vs Fury fight being postponed for a later date.

I am slightly wanting Usyk to take this home though, which could ruin that fantasy about Fury VS Joshua or at least take a bit of the hype away from it.

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Quote from: plr on May 26, 2021, 07:15:26 PM

This is a good tune-up fight for whoever he is going to face on the winner of the Fury - Wilder match, but we all know Joshua got a huge upset from Ruiz, and Usyk is a much better fight than Ruiz, so Joshua must be very careful not to get caught in an upset, he is the heavy favorite but Usyk is an undefeated and can pull out an upset.

Plus Usyk is a Southpaw which is a natural weakness of an Orthodox fighter so Joshua needs to be extra careful about it since Usyk isn't just any fighter and he will do what it takes to keep his record clean. I just hope that we will see a really good fight in this one because I haven't seen one for awhile except for Oubaali vs Donaire.

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Quote from: FinneysTrueVision on May 31, 2021, 06:11:51 PM

Tomorrow is the deadline for them to reach an agreement before this goes to purse bids. Hearn has stated that they will ask for an extension otherwise Joshua will vacate the belt before they go to purse bids. Maybe Hearn doesn't want to get outbid by another promoter or maybe they want to avoid Usyk. Whatever the reason might be, if they vacated it would not be a very good look.

The deadline is here and still there is not a signed contract, in my opinion the most likely reason why the fight has not been agreed upon right now has to be the rematch clause, obviously as a champion Joshua wants it so he can regain the tittle in the case he losses, but Usyk is the mandatory which means they are not obligated to accept it and if Joshua wants it then he needs to give him more money and this is stopping the deal from coming through.

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Quote from: icopress on May 26, 2021, 09:25:58 AM

Seriously ... 3 votes for Usik? I'm just wondering what was the motivation behind the people when they voted for Joshua ...

Nationality will always play a part, and be part of the bias. However, not a lot of people will want Joshua to lose simply because they want to see Fury VS Joshua. So, I suspect this is what is skewing the results. I for example, really want Joshua win simply because I want to see all the belts on the line for the Fury fight. However, I actually kind of think that Usyk will beat him. Usyk definitely isn't a pushover, but we all have to admit that we watch the sport because of the hype, and Joshua vs Usyk doesn't have a lot. Meanwhile, Fury, and Joshua we especially British fighters have been wanting for a long while.

When just checking out the highlights of best KO's in his career of Usyk https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VLMqJmYxc_4 then i can tell that this guy would really give a good damn fight.

I agree on what been stated above that nationality and hype is one of the factors that affecting this poll where people are really hurrying up on concluding this fight in favor or AJ
just for them to let see on whats next which is basically focusing on AJ and Fury fight which is actually on point.

What are the chance or percent for some upset on this one?

I am personally giving it a very high chance that an upset will happen, Joshua is obviously good but his chin is suspect as the fight against Ruiz showed up, if Usyk can connect him even once that is going to be enough for Joshua to be in a bad shape for the rest of the fight and get an easy win, however it is fair to wonder if Usyk has that kind of power as he moved up to the heavyweight division on 2019 and this fight is coming maybe a little bit too soon as he has only fought 18 fights before this one.

Count of fights wouldnt matter much as 18 fights would really be that enough on getting used to and that power you've been asking then i dont have any doubts on that and just like what others been saying about the chances of upset then i do agree that it is really high and we might see an another AJ & Ruiz similar situation or this would be an another series fight which might result to rematches or trilogy
if AJ cant really accept his defeat on here.

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Tomorrow is the deadline for them to reach an agreement before this goes to purse bids. Hearn has stated that they will ask for an extension otherwise Joshua will vacate the belt before they go to purse bids. Maybe Hearn doesn't want to get outbid by another promoter or maybe they want to avoid Usyk. Whatever the reason might be, if they vacated it would not be a very good look.

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Quote from: stomachgrowls on May 26, 2021, 06:35:00 PM

Quote from: Welsh on May 26, 2021, 10:35:33 AM

Quote from: icopress on May 26, 2021, 09:25:58 AM

Seriously ... 3 votes for Usik? I'm just wondering what was the motivation behind the people when they voted for Joshua ...

Nationality will always play a part, and be part of the bias. However, not a lot of people will want Joshua to lose simply because they want to see Fury VS Joshua. So, I suspect this is what is skewing the results. I for example, really want Joshua win simply because I want to see all the belts on the line for the Fury fight. However, I actually kind of think that Usyk will beat him. Usyk definitely isn't a pushover, but we all have to admit that we watch the sport because of the hype, and Joshua vs Usyk doesn't have a lot. Meanwhile, Fury, and Joshua we especially British fighters have been wanting for a long while.

When just checking out the highlights of best KO's in his career of Usyk https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VLMqJmYxc_4 then i can tell that this guy would really give a good damn fight.

I agree on what been stated above that nationality and hype is one of the factors that affecting this poll where people are really hurrying up on concluding this fight in favor or AJ
just for them to let see on whats next which is basically focusing on AJ and Fury fight which is actually on point.

What are the chance or percent for some upset on this one?

I am personally giving it a very high chance that an upset will happen, Joshua is obviously good but his chin is suspect as the fight against Ruiz showed up, if Usyk can connect him even once that is going to be enough for Joshua to be in a bad shape for the rest of the fight and get an easy win, however it is fair to wonder if Usyk has that kind of power as he moved up to the heavyweight division on 2019 and this fight is coming maybe a little bit too soon as he has only fought 18 fights before this one.

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Quote from: stomachgrowls on May 26, 2021, 06:35:00 PM

Quote from: Welsh on May 26, 2021, 10:35:33 AM

Quote from: icopress on May 26, 2021, 09:25:58 AM

Seriously ... 3 votes for Usik? I'm just wondering what was the motivation behind the people when they voted for Joshua ...

Nationality will always play a part, and be part of the bias. However, not a lot of people will want Joshua to lose simply because they want to see Fury VS Joshua. So, I suspect this is what is skewing the results. I for example, really want Joshua win simply because I want to see all the belts on the line for the Fury fight. However, I actually kind of think that Usyk will beat him. Usyk definitely isn't a pushover, but we all have to admit that we watch the sport because of the hype, and Joshua vs Usyk doesn't have a lot. Meanwhile, Fury, and Joshua we especially British fighters have been wanting for a long while.

When just checking out the highlights of best KO's in his career of Usyk https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VLMqJmYxc_4 then i can tell that this guy would really give a good damn fight.

I agree on what been stated above that nationality and hype is one of the factors that affecting this poll where people are really hurrying up on concluding this fight in favor or AJ
just for them to let see on whats next which is basically focusing on AJ and Fury fight which is actually on point.

What are the chance or percent for some upset on this one?

Very high. It could be an upset fight within the first round. He is also fast, Usyk wouldn't be matched up to AJ if he doesn't have the chance. He stands very defensive even when he is throwing punches at someone who just covers their face. It basically just depends on whoever throws a big punch that will dazzle the fighter, if it turns out it's Usyk the fight could end instantly.

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Quote from: Lanatsa on May 26, 2021, 07:59:40 PM

Quote from: plr on May 26, 2021, 07:15:26 PM

This is a good tune-up fight for whoever he is going to face on the winner of the Fury - Wilder match, but we all know Joshua got a huge upset from Ruiz, and Usyk is a much better fight than Ruiz, so Joshua must be very careful not to get caught in an upset, he is the heavy favorite but Usyk is an undefeated and can pull out an upset.

Just like what others been saying about upset is likely and you are right that Usyk is much better than Ruiz when it comes to technicalities and speed and if AJ's fighting style hadn't changed wayback then most likely he would be KO'ed again this time.

Ruiz KOed Joshua in their first fight and Joshua UDed Ruiz in their second. It may look like Joshua did not completely avenge his first loss but if we look at the fight, it was a total domination, a show of boxing skills, from Joshua. As a matter of fact, 2 judges scored the fight 118-110 in favor of Joshua, meaning Ruiz only won a couple of rounds. The other judge scored 119-109 in favor of Joshua, meaning Joshua won 11 rounds and Ruiz only 1.

Upsets do happen but they do not happen most of the time. If Usyk's only hope is an upset, then he'd most likely lose. I doubt Usyk could KO Joshua. It's a matter of luck. On the other hand, Joshua has got what it takes to defeat Usyk, even KO him.

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Quote from: plr on May 26, 2021, 07:15:26 PM

This is a good tune-up fight for whoever he is going to face on the winner of the Fury - Wilder match, but we all know Joshua got a huge upset from Ruiz, and Usyk is a much better fight than Ruiz, so Joshua must be very careful not to get caught in an upset, he is the heavy favorite but Usyk is an undefeated and can pull out an upset.

Just like what others been saying about upset is likely and you are right that Usyk is much better than Ruiz when it comes to technicalities and speed and if AJ's fighting style hadn't changed wayback then most likely he would be KO'ed again this time.

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This is a good tune-up fight for whoever he is going to face on the winner of the Fury - Wilder match, but we all know Joshua got a huge upset from Ruiz, and Usyk is a much better fight than Ruiz, so Joshua must be very careful not to get caught in an upset, he is the heavy favorite but Usyk is an undefeated and can pull out an upset.

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