[Boxing] Ryan Garcia vs Oscar Duarte (December 2)

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Quote from: lionheart78 on December 08, 2023, 04:45:19 PM

Quote from: cryptomaniac_xxx on December 07, 2023, 04:45:57 AM

For sure no boxer is not going into the ring un-prepared specially against Garcia, you can even here what he says in the pre fight that he is ready and that he will bring Garcia with a knockout. And with that there's hype on this fight as others said, in paper he really looks scary with that knockout ratio.

But the increase in weight took a toll on Duarte. From 135 lbs to 143 lbs, that is too much for a boxer IMO.

That's the biggest advantage Ryan Garcia had on Duarte, i think it was the first time that the latter fights at that division which for me he need a tune-up fight, i mean fight boxers whose talent is south of his before taking big names in that division but it was done and that fight was for Garcia to look good on the ring and Oscar was successful of that. Definitely, his next fight would not be against Tank Davis.

Locking the thread now guys and thanks for your usual support.

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Quote from: cryptomaniac_xxx on December 07, 2023, 04:45:57 AM

For sure no boxer is not going into the ring un-prepared specially against Garcia, you can even here what he says in the pre fight that he is ready and that he will bring Garcia with a knockout. And with that there's hype on this fight as others said, in paper he really looks scary with that knockout ratio.

But the increase in weight took a toll on Duarte. From 135 lbs to 143 lbs, that is too much for a boxer IMO.

Quote from: cryptomaniac_xxx on December 07, 2023, 04:45:57 AM

... and referee stopping it was the right decision.

It is really the right decision if the boxer is counted out Grin

or else there will be a huge controversy if the referee continues the fight after Duarte was counted 10 on his knees. Ryan Garcia's punch is too much to take for a much lighter boxer expecially when the fight is brought to almost two divisions higher. The situation is favorable to Ryan Garcia and I wonder why Duarte's camp agreed on this.

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Quote from: inthelongrun on December 07, 2023, 02:12:02 AM

Quote from: Kemarit on December 06, 2023, 06:23:16 PM

And just like the rest of us here commenting on the shoulder roll of Ryan, this is what Devin Haney has to say,

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/ZTl0eqT4yJY

The title though is a bit misleading, he didn't clown Ryan Garcia, he just shares his opinion with that stance of Garcia and again, majority of us see it as horrible and it seems that Ryan is learning that defense though.

I'm surprised Haney did not laugh or bash Ryan. But probably because he wants Ryan not to get offended so he can take him after Prograis. If Haney wins impressively over Prograis this weekend, I don't know who's next since I cannot think of any fighters in the division that are popular aside from Ryan. If I remember correctly, someone here mentioned Ryan still has a fight remaining under GBP.

Oscar also clarified he never offered Teofimo $1.8M to fight Ryan. So if Teofimo was not lying then Ryan and his team may be the ones making the laughable offer probably just to hype that they are ready for the champions.

Yeah, I think it's good on his part not to attack or criticize Ryan and just see him good winning his fight against a bloated 135 lbs in Duarte. Maybe Haney's focus right now since this is what we call fight week in with Regis Prograis and the interviewer trying to put words in the mouth of Haney, but he dodge that question intelligently. I also read that as well, Dela Hoya says that it is not true, that they didn't low ball or even offer a fight to the Lopez's. Maybe this is just way for Teo and his father to be sending the signal to GBP and see what Oscar's reaction with that numbers in the line. But let's see if GBP and Ryan Garcia will continue with their partnership as there are serious strain between the camp of Ryan and Oscar and BHop.

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Quote from: AmoreJaz on December 06, 2023, 06:33:59 PM

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^^ And that's why we said that this is a tune up or cherry pick fight for Ryan Garcia as we all know that Duarte can't last full 12 rounds against him. So very good choice for Oscar, to boost Ryan Garcia's confidence with this "great win" from him. And that's what really happen here, Duarte charging as that what his style and Ryan with his improved movement is just waiting to counter him all night.

Although he admit that he did worst impression of the shoulder roll and Derrick James didn't train him to do that. It just come to him maybe from watching other boxers from James stable doing that, hehehe.

Next year will be this division will be one of the hottest I believed, specially on the outcome of the Regis Prograis vs Devin Haney fight. As we might see money fights here with Haney, Lopez and Garcia potentially.

i don't think it was a cherry pick for garcia. because if duarte was really prepared on this fight, i honestly believe garcia would have hard time inside the ring. i guess it was his lucky day and at least giving a boost morale to himself for his career.
now he can focus on his upcoming fights. and good thing for him as he will be heading to positive direction. because if he lost this one, he may suffer another mental breakdown. so the results of this fight will help him to dedicate himself to improving because he has bigger fights to look forward to.

For sure no boxer is not going into the ring un-prepared specially against Garcia, you can even here what he says in the pre fight that he is ready and that he will bring Garcia with a knockout. And with that there's hype on this fight as others said, in paper he really looks scary with that knockout ratio.

But Garcia is well prepared in this fight and that's why sport bookies knows what the rounds are it's over/under at 8.5 round (you can look at my previous comment).

So yeah, it's no surprised if you see Duarte's previous fight and how he will be open for Ryan's left or his power. So I disagree with that being a "lucky" win for him. It was not like a one punch that knockdown Duarte, it was a barrage of punches and Duarte's leg was not there and referee stopping it was the right decision.

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Quote from: Kemarit on December 06, 2023, 06:23:16 PM

And just like the rest of us here commenting on the shoulder roll of Ryan, this is what Devin Haney has to say,

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/ZTl0eqT4yJY

The title though is a bit misleading, he didn't clown Ryan Garcia, he just shares his opinion with that stance of Garcia and again, majority of us see it as horrible and it seems that Ryan is learning that defense though.

I'm surprised Haney did not laugh or bash Ryan. But probably because he wants Ryan not to get offended so he can take him after Prograis. If Haney wins impressively over Prograis this weekend, I don't know who's next since I cannot think of any fighters in the division that are popular aside from Ryan. If I remember correctly, someone here mentioned Ryan still has a fight remaining under GBP.

Oscar also clarified he never offered Teofimo $1.8M to fight Ryan. So if Teofimo was not lying then Ryan and his team may be the ones making the laughable offer probably just to hype that they are ready for the champions.

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Quote from: Baofeng on December 05, 2023, 05:34:11 PM

^^ And that's why we said that this is a tune up or cherry pick fight for Ryan Garcia as we all know that Duarte can't last full 12 rounds against him. So very good choice for Oscar, to boost Ryan Garcia's confidence with this "great win" from him. And that's what really happen here, Duarte charging as that what his style and Ryan with his improved movement is just waiting to counter him all night.

Although he admit that he did worst impression of the shoulder roll and Derrick James didn't train him to do that. It just come to him maybe from watching other boxers from James stable doing that, hehehe.

Next year will be this division will be one of the hottest I believed, specially on the outcome of the Regis Prograis vs Devin Haney fight. As we might see money fights here with Haney, Lopez and Garcia potentially.

i don't think it was a cherry pick for garcia. because if duarte was really prepared on this fight, i honestly believe garcia would have hard time inside the ring. i guess it was his lucky day and at least giving a boost morale to himself for his career.
now he can focus on his upcoming fights. and good thing for him as he will be heading to positive direction. because if he lost this one, he may suffer another mental breakdown. so the results of this fight will help him to dedicate himself to improving because he has bigger fights to look forward to.

It's an obvious cherry-pick. Otherwise, why choose someone from 135 when you're fighting at 140? And then later on changed the catchweight to 143. So that was already 2 divisions north of Duarte's usual weight.

Also, I doubt James and even Ryan himself do the awkward Phelly Shell experiment if they did not pick someone slow and will get even slower when moving up 2 divisions.

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Quote from: Baofeng on December 05, 2023, 05:34:11 PM

^^ And that's why we said that this is a tune up or cherry pick fight for Ryan Garcia as we all know that Duarte can't last full 12 rounds against him. So very good choice for Oscar, to boost Ryan Garcia's confidence with this "great win" from him. And that's what really happen here, Duarte charging as that what his style and Ryan with his improved movement is just waiting to counter him all night.

Although he admit that he did worst impression of the shoulder roll and Derrick James didn't train him to do that. It just come to him maybe from watching other boxers from James stable doing that, hehehe.

Next year will be this division will be one of the hottest I believed, specially on the outcome of the Regis Prograis vs Devin Haney fight. As we might see money fights here with Haney, Lopez and Garcia potentially.

i don't think it was a cherry pick for garcia. because if duarte was really prepared on this fight, i honestly believe garcia would have hard time inside the ring. i guess it was his lucky day and at least giving a boost morale to himself for his career.
now he can focus on his upcoming fights. and good thing for him as he will be heading to positive direction. because if he lost this one, he may suffer another mental breakdown. so the results of this fight will help him to dedicate himself to improving because he has bigger fights to look forward to.

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And just like the rest of us here commenting on the shoulder roll of Ryan, this is what Devin Haney has to say,

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/ZTl0eqT4yJY

The title though is a bit misleading, he didn't clown Ryan Garcia, he just shares his opinion with that stance of Garcia and again, majority of us see it as horrible and it seems that Ryan is learning that defense though.

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Quote from: bisdak40 on December 05, 2023, 11:24:44 PM

Quote from: Baofeng on December 05, 2023, 05:34:11 PM

^^ And that's why we said that this is a tune up or cherry pick fight for Ryan Garcia as we all know that Duarte can't last full 12 rounds against him. So very good choice for Oscar, to boost Ryan Garcia's confidence with this "great win" from him. And that's what really happen here, Duarte charging as that what his style and Ryan with his improved movement is just waiting to counter him all night.

Although he admit that he did worst impression of the shoulder roll and Derrick James didn't train him to do that. It just come to him maybe from watching other boxers from James stable doing that, hehehe.

That shoulder roll looks awkward for me but if he can improve that aspect of his defense then provably Ryan Garcia will be hard to hit as he also have that power punch to counter whenever his opponent missed. That win was really a morale booster for him, though not so impressive but a win is still a win and for me he need two or more tune-up fight before facing the big boys of this division.

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Next year will be this division will be one of the hottest I believed, specially on the outcome of the Regis Prograis vs Devin Haney fight. As we might see money fights here with Haney, Lopez and Garcia potentially.

True, this division will be second to the heavyweight division as there are a lot of sellable names that could face each other. After Prograis vs Haney, and if the latter wins, who knows that Lopez vs Haney will materialize, that fight will be an acid test to Haney's career.

Don't forget Matias as well, he might be unknown for some boxing fans, but last weekend he shows that he is a tough champion in this division. And maybe he was overlook right now because of the big names that we have in the current weight class, Lopez, Romero and the winner of Prograis vs Haney. Hopefully, Matias should also be in the mix or if either of the champions wanted to test him and get his IBF belt for next year. Ryan is targeting Rolly Romero so that is a good fight as well and hopefully it could be rescheduled by GBP. And with that shoulder roll, maybe James will teach Garcia the proper way next time so that it won't be as awkward as f**k watching Ryan doing it.

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Quote from: Baofeng on December 05, 2023, 05:34:11 PM

^^ And that's why we said that this is a tune up or cherry pick fight for Ryan Garcia as we all know that Duarte can't last full 12 rounds against him. So very good choice for Oscar, to boost Ryan Garcia's confidence with this "great win" from him. And that's what really happen here, Duarte charging as that what his style and Ryan with his improved movement is just waiting to counter him all night.

Although he admit that he did worst impression of the shoulder roll and Derrick James didn't train him to do that. It just come to him maybe from watching other boxers from James stable doing that, hehehe.

That shoulder roll looks awkward for me but if he can improve that aspect of his defense then provably Ryan Garcia will be hard to hit as he also have that power punch to counter whenever his opponent missed. That win was really a morale booster for him, though not so impressive but a win is still a win and for me he need two or more tune-up fight before facing the big boys of this division.

Quote from: Baofeng on December 05, 2023, 05:34:11 PM

Next year will be this division will be one of the hottest I believed, specially on the outcome of the Regis Prograis vs Devin Haney fight. As we might see money fights here with Haney, Lopez and Garcia potentially.

True, this division will be second to the heavyweight division as there are a lot of sellable names that could face each other. After Prograis vs Haney, and if the latter wins, who knows that Lopez vs Haney will materialize, that fight will be an acid test to Haney's career.

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^^ And that's why we said that this is a tune up or cherry pick fight for Ryan Garcia as we all know that Duarte can't last full 12 rounds against him. So very good choice for Oscar, to boost Ryan Garcia's confidence with this "great win" from him. And that's what really happen here, Duarte charging as that what his style and Ryan with his improved movement is just waiting to counter him all night.

Although he admit that he did worst impression of the shoulder roll and Derrick James didn't train him to do that. It just come to him maybe from watching other boxers from James stable doing that, hehehe.

Next year will be this division will be one of the hottest I believed, specially on the outcome of the Regis Prograis vs Devin Haney fight. As we might see money fights here with Haney, Lopez and Garcia potentially.

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According to Oscar Duarte, he was just caught by Ryan

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“His speed didn’t surprise me. He just caught me good on the chin,” Duarte insisted during the post-fight press conference. “I felt like I acclimated to his power but he caught me with a good shot in the end. That was it.”

https://www.boxingscene.com/duarte-ryan-garcias-speed-surprise-me-he-just-caught-me-good-on-chin--179761

Yeah and that's what we are trying to avoid, if you face a powerful puncher like Ryan, if you get caught then you don't know what will be your reactions to it. And so in his case, his chin didn't hold. We thought that Duarte has a better chin at least, but it's not and so it was over for him and still Ryan supporters are very happy for that big win he got and so silencing his detractors again.

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Quote from: Yaunfitda on December 04, 2023, 06:53:14 AM

Not that just standing in front of his opponent and trying to exchange and trade blows. He needs to be a thinking boxing now as he is maturing and obviously he needs to be a champion here at this division to get more money and at least get a true belt. Bigger fights for him is Teofimo Lopez and the winner of Haney and Prograis. Or he if wanted a quick belt then Romero is the best option.

Big improvement as he was able to improve his defense but the same time he slowly try to join the boring boxer to watch. But anyway, a win is a win for him, actually a big comeback win and I'm sure soon enough he'll get closer to be in a championship fight.

As for Rolly, it would be entertain to see him fight Garcia, but I choose the latter to win as I believe Garcia is a more smarter fighter.

However, if he would fight the winner of (Haney vs Prograis) fight which I think Haney would win, I doubt Garcia has a chance as Haney is probably bigger and the quicker fighter, his undefeated record is pretty much convincing that he's a tough opponent to be with in the ring.

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Quote from: yazher on December 04, 2023, 06:43:49 AM

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Duarte might got overwhelmed from the chants of the fans and I didn’t expect that he will lose via KO.
What Ryan did is a great statement that he is still a good boxer and lucky to those who bet with Ryan via KO. His running strategy works and loading a heavy punches landed him into a huge victory, there’s no doubt that he can still fight and I’m sure bigger fights are coming for Garcia.

It was a great achievement and a great win to be back in the ring and now he gonna be once again a major threat in their weight division with some intense training, he could improve his stamina and won't look worn out in the 8 rounds just like he was in this fight. I wonder who would be the next boxer to challenge him because he is now fully confident that he can beat anyone as long as they have the same weight. Congratulations to Ryan Garcia and welcome back to him, it's nice to see him doing his thing again, knocking out opponents with his signature super fast punches.

Yes, good to see Ryan Garcia back in the limelight at the 140 lbs division. He still has that power and speed, but it looks like there are several flaws that needed to be corrected. But with a good trainer behind him, for sure we will see another improvement, like more of this footwork and movement as others have seen from him in this fight.

Not that just standing in front of his opponent and trying to exchange and trade blows. He needs to be a thinking boxing now as he is maturing and obviously he needs to be a champion here at this division to get more money and at least get a true belt. Bigger fights for him is Teofimo Lopez and the winner of Haney and Prograis. Or he if wanted a quick belt then Romero is the best option.

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Quote from: yazher on December 04, 2023, 06:43:49 AM

It was a great achievement and a great win to be back in the ring and now he gonna be once again a major threat in their weight division with some intense training, he could improve his stamina and won't look worn out in the 8 rounds just like he was in this fight.

I don't know about that, what i know is that I'm not impressed with his performance despite winning via KO. His style was too boring, I mean when did he learn how to run? Ryan Garcia suppose to be a killer in the ring, he goes directly think of knocking out his opponent, and that against a non caliber fighter, it took him 8 rounds to KO and he wasn't even dominating, so have doubts if he ever be a champion again.

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Quote from: goaldigger on December 03, 2023, 03:32:42 PM

Duarte might got overwhelmed from the chants of the fans and I didn’t expect that he will lose via KO.
What Ryan did is a great statement that he is still a good boxer and lucky to those who bet with Ryan via KO. His running strategy works and loading a heavy punches landed him into a huge victory, there’s no doubt that he can still fight and I’m sure bigger fights are coming for Garcia.

It was a great achievement and a great win to be back in the ring and now he gonna be once again a major threat in their weight division with some intense training, he could improve his stamina and won't look worn out in the 8 rounds just like he was in this fight. I wonder who would be the next boxer to challenge him because he is now fully confident that he can beat anyone as long as they have the same weight. Congratulations to Ryan Garcia and welcome back to him, it's nice to see him doing his thing again, knocking out opponents with his signature super fast punches.

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Quote from: Japinat on December 04, 2023, 12:34:17 AM

Quote from: Baofeng on December 03, 2023, 05:56:32 PM

At least as they are going to benefit, the mandatories can wait. However, still depends on the timetable for Rolly as he is injured. Let's wait for him to heal first, for sure he would like to fight Ryan and both have big mouths too, so there will be good to promote this side. And we will see who will do good numbers, Romero vs Davis (reportedly 250,000 PPV buys), or Romero vs Garcia.

We will patiently wait for this fight, Garcia deserves to be in a championship fight again, and knowing Rolly, he has some talent and also good in selling fights, so it's expected to generate lots of PPV subs but for sure not going to surpass what Davis vs Garcia has earned in the past.

I don't know if the ranking here https://www.boxingscene.com/rankings... is already updated, but as of now, Ryan is ranked at number 4, so I like to ask, can he be a mandatory fighter to the champ if he's not on the number 1?

Oscar Duarte lost humiliatingly because he was warned several times by the referee for throwing prohibited blows and in the 5th, 6th and 7th rounds, Garcia seemed to have little difficulty facing Duarte until he seemed to run out of energy.
However, after that, Garcia was able to throw several punches and in the 8th round he threw left hook which made Duarte fall and couldn't stop the referee count and was declared knockout defeat to Garcia.
As I previously predicted, if Garcia wins it will be KO victory, but if he reaches the full round , Duarte has the chance to win on points.
With this victory, Garcia regained his name and can still be one of the best boxers in his class.

Now Ryan Garcia has the opportunity to challenge Davis again in the future to maintain what he has so far.
Garcia was previously one of the most undefeated boxers with multiple championships under his belt, but with the loss to Davis, he had the pressure weighing on him.

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Quote from: Japinat on December 04, 2023, 12:34:17 AM

I don't know if the ranking here https://www.boxingscene.com/rankings... is already updated, but as of now, Ryan is ranked at number 4, so I like to ask, can he be a mandatory fighter to the champ if he's not on the number 1?

I don't think it has already been updated Matias already beats Shohjahon Ergashev but he is still in the number 3 rank while Garcia is in number 7 even though he has an impressive win, but it's not about being mandatory its more on what the boxing community wants and where will the promoters are likely to make money.
Until now whoever Garcia fought has been sold out, he is still a crowd drawer, I'm sure promoters will push Garcia to have a title fight, either with Teofimo Lopez or Rolly Romero.

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Quote from: Japinat on December 04, 2023, 12:34:17 AM

Quote from: Baofeng on December 03, 2023, 05:56:32 PM

At least as they are going to benefit, the mandatories can wait. However, still depends on the timetable for Rolly as he is injured. Let's wait for him to heal first, for sure he would like to fight Ryan and both have big mouths too, so there will be good to promote this side. And we will see who will do good numbers, Romero vs Davis (reportedly 250,000 PPV buys), or Romero vs Garcia.

We will patiently wait for this fight, Garcia deserves to be in a championship fight again, and knowing Rolly, he has some talent and also good in selling fights, so it's expected to generate lots of PPV subs but for sure not going to surpass what Davis vs Garcia has earned in the past.

I don't know if the ranking here https://www.boxingscene.com/rankings... is already updated, but as of now, Ryan is ranked at number 4, so I like to ask, can he be a mandatory fighter to the champ if he's not on the number 1?

I think they can, if the governing body (because of corruption and the huge money that it will generated), so we will see. But what about Ryan's doing the shoulder roll though? I mean it looks very bad and I see interview of Teo Lopez, mocking him with that kind of defense. Did Derrick James really taught him to roll like that? But he goes to the extreme that he is somewhat exposing his back already. But the media is 60/40 I would say, mostly favorable results for Garcia and winning by TKO and see some footwork and then the uppercut. While others thinks that he is still a diva and this fight is tailor made for him to look great and now calling champions like Rolly Romero.

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Quote from: Baofeng on December 03, 2023, 05:56:32 PM

At least as they are going to benefit, the mandatories can wait. However, still depends on the timetable for Rolly as he is injured. Let's wait for him to heal first, for sure he would like to fight Ryan and both have big mouths too, so there will be good to promote this side. And we will see who will do good numbers, Romero vs Davis (reportedly 250,000 PPV buys), or Romero vs Garcia.

We will patiently wait for this fight, Garcia deserves to be in a championship fight again, and knowing Rolly, he has some talent and also good in selling fights, so it's expected to generate lots of PPV subs but for sure not going to surpass what Davis vs Garcia has earned in the past.

I don't know if the ranking here https://www.boxingscene.com/rankings... is already updated, but as of now, Ryan is ranked at number 4, so I like to ask, can he be a mandatory fighter to the champ if he's not on the number 1?

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Ryan gets the win by KO. There was nothing too remarkable about his performance but he was able to execute his game plan effectively. Duarte was at a disadvantage because of the 143 lb catchweight. His style was very basic and Ryan had no problems landing shots. After this tuneup it seems like Rolly Romero might be next for Ryan. Both fighters are at a similar level so it should be an intriguing matchup where we will see if either of them is ready to step up to the elite level once again.

Duarte could have gone up but he chose to get up when the count is over, there's a lot of boos going on because Ryan is running to much I think that's the improvement in Ryan's game, a good defensive stance to run too often and not very eager to engage, a deviation from what he did against Gervonta, not a great performance but a win is still a win I guess The Golden Boy will finally get him a title shot after this win.
I'm waiting for the press conference so we'll know where Garcia is heading now after this win, in his interview in the ring he wants Rolly so lets see if he will get Rolly.

I also don't understand why Duarte didn't get up on time, maybe his legs was not still there so he didn't bother to beat the referee's count.

If you look at the replay, his legs where gone after the first or second hit that he got from Ryan. And then he goes down and take a knee. The referee was right there in front of him and counting loud and he wasn't responded when he hear the 8 count and chooses to go up at 9 wherein it was obvious that he wants to take some more time to recover.

Ryan got the W is that's what important for him. You can see that his trainer if very happy. I mean we have seen James losing his best so now he is 2 out of 4.

Garcia winning and then last week Charlo winning against Benavidez Jr.

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