[Boxing] Ryan Garcia vs Oscar Duarte (December 2) - page 5.

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Quote from: bisdak40 on November 27, 2023, 06:38:11 AM

Quote from: Hirose UK on November 27, 2023, 04:22:58 AM

The fight is only matter of days because in less than week they will actually meet and this is the first fight for Ryan Garcia after previously experiencing fatigue for the first time against Gervonta Davis.
In this fight, it looks like Garcia will experience some pressure because Oscar Duarte is quite tough fighter.

This is fight to save his name because after the knockout loss to Davis and of course Garcia must win this fight to stay at the peak of his career.
Moreover, this fight is also the beginning for him with the new coach, Derrick James.

Who knows what the final result will be but Oscar Duarte won't just give up and he will put up fight that will really make Garcia feel the pressure for the second time.

The pressure to win is so much on Team Ryan Garcia considering that he is coming from a knockout loss to Tank Davis.

But we should also note that Oscar Duarte is a 135-pound fighter/boxer, meaning this would be his first fight at 140 which Ryan Garcia is comfortable at. I don't know if Duarte still has that power at 140 but definitely, this fight favors Garcia though on paper, this an interesting match but the truth to it is that for me this is still a cherry-picked opponent.

Most likely it was a good cherry pick fight for Ryan Garcia, no offense to Oscar Duarte, but as you have said, he seems to be a 135 lbs fighter and he just go up in weight and thinking that he can bring his power to this division. And with that, he was carefully hand pick by Oscar dela Hoya, so that Ryan's tools can be magnified. In paper Duarte looks very good, but perhaps they know that he can't last against the power of Ryan. And this is going to be 140 lbs, Ryan is going to be comfortable as he doesn't need to drain his body. Maybe just careful eating but not fully going into the motions of counting each calories every meal just to be able to make that weight. So all the advantage should be with Ryan Garcia and he could disposed Duarte by a knockout win.

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Quote from: mirakal on November 27, 2023, 01:00:53 AM

You can remove the 'handsome' part, as I'm quite certain that's not the primary reason why he has numerous fans eager to watch his fights. Besides, most boxing fans are men, and the focus is on a real fighter who can dominate opponents in the ring and deliver an impressive win.

I believe the reason he has a good number of fans is his ability to generate buzz by talking a lot. He easily captures attention and gains traction in the boxing world.

Boxing is not a beauty pageant your skill and power and your behavior are what will get you more support and fans boxing is mainly a man's sport so looks don't matter, Garcia gained a lot of fans because of his speed and skill that he showed off in his social media account and the way he fights but if he keeps losing like the way he loses against Gervonta I don't think he can maintain his followers and supporters, you will only retain your supporters if you keep on winning but once you take a lot of losses your reputation and popularity will slide.

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Quote from: Hirose UK on November 27, 2023, 04:22:58 AM

The fight is only matter of days because in less than week they will actually meet and this is the first fight for Ryan Garcia after previously experiencing fatigue for the first time against Gervonta Davis.
In this fight, it looks like Garcia will experience some pressure because Oscar Duarte is quite tough fighter.

This is fight to save his name because after the knockout loss to Davis and of course Garcia must win this fight to stay at the peak of his career.
Moreover, this fight is also the beginning for him with the new coach, Derrick James.

Who knows what the final result will be but Oscar Duarte won't just give up and he will put up fight that will really make Garcia feel the pressure for the second time.

The pressure to win is so much on Team Ryan Garcia considering that he is coming from a knockout loss to Tank Davis.

But we should also note that Oscar Duarte is a 135-pound fighter/boxer, meaning this would be his first fight at 140 which Ryan Garcia is comfortable at. I don't know if Duarte still has that power at 140 but definitely, this fight favors Garcia though on paper, this an interesting match but the truth to it is that for me this is still a cherry-picked opponent.

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Garcia still attracts a lot of boxing fans but they need to see a Garcia who can become a multi-title boxing champion, not a social media king, and this will be answered on December 2.

He is a total package, handsome, knows how to use his mouth, and boasted of a lot of followers from his social media account. And if I'm not mistaken, he could be the most followed boxer, or at least top 3 or top 5.

You can remove the 'handsome' part, as I'm quite certain that's not the primary reason why he has numerous fans eager to watch his fights. Besides, most boxing fans are men, and the focus is on a real fighter who can dominate opponents in the ring and deliver an impressive win.

I believe the reason he has a good number of fans is his ability to generate buzz by talking a lot. He easily captures attention and gains traction in the boxing world.

I'm talking about his social media presence because that factor also includes why Ryan Garcia is popular. Take for example his Twitter (X) account, https://twitter.com/RyanGarcia. It has almost 300,000 followers, do you think all of them is boxing fans? Of course, not, majority of the followers could be ladies, because of his good looks (no homo).

And again we compare him to his boss Oscar Dela Hoya, this is an old 17 year article from the Internet.

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De La Hoya, for his part, can’t match Ali’s braggadocio, nor does he try. That’s not to say, however, that people don’t take notice of his looks. But where Ali gained fans by actively outshining the opposition, De La Hoya has actually lost support due to his slick appearance. Why hate a fighter for being beautiful?

https://www.popmatters.com/peterson060522-2496177344.html

So perhaps that's one reason as well why there are some hate on Ryan Garcia.

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The fight is only matter of days because in less than week they will actually meet and this is the first fight for Ryan Garcia after previously experiencing fatigue for the first time against Gervonta Davis.
In this fight, it looks like Garcia will experience some pressure because Oscar Duarte is quite tough fighter.

This is fight to save his name because after the knockout loss to Davis and of course Garcia must win this fight to stay at the peak of his career.
Moreover, this fight is also the beginning for him with the new coach, Derrick James.

Who knows what the final result will be but Oscar Duarte won't just give up and he will put up fight that will really make Garcia feel the pressure for the second time.

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Quote from: Dave1 on November 27, 2023, 01:32:41 AM

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Garcia still attracts a lot of boxing fans but they need to see a Garcia who can become a multi-title boxing champion, not a social media king, and this will be answered on December 2.

He is a total package, handsome, knows how to use his mouth, and boasted of a lot of followers from his social media account. And if I'm not mistaken, he could be the most followed boxer, or at least top 3 or top 5.

You can remove the 'handsome' part, as I'm quite certain that's not the primary reason why he has numerous fans eager to watch his fights. Besides, most boxing fans are men, and the focus is on a real fighter who can dominate opponents in the ring and deliver an impressive win.

I believe the reason he has a good number of fans is his ability to generate buzz by talking a lot. He easily captures attention and gains traction in the boxing world.

He has the talent definitely and he can back him his talk, not until he faces Tank Davis and he was just over run by Tank. He has a solid career though, even before he become a pro, I think he has some buzz in his name in the amateurs and around the California area.

And when he turn pro, he was compare to Oscar, who is also like him, pretty boy and has the charisma not only to boxing fans, but also non-boxing fans specially the ladies.

But first, if he wants to continue with his fame and the money that it is going for him, he needs to get pass Duarte first in December 2.

One loss shouldn't be the determining factor for him to quit his career. In fact, I commend him for his bravery in facing a boxer who had the potential to defeat him. Unlike other boxers who carefully select opponents to maintain a clean record, Ryan chose to take on a challenging fight against Davis. While he may have garnered some critics, he showcased courage in providing a good fight, even though he lost via KO.

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Quote from: mirakal on November 27, 2023, 01:00:53 AM

Quote from: Kemarit on November 27, 2023, 12:33:45 AM

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Garcia still attracts a lot of boxing fans but they need to see a Garcia who can become a multi-title boxing champion, not a social media king, and this will be answered on December 2.

He is a total package, handsome, knows how to use his mouth, and boasted of a lot of followers from his social media account. And if I'm not mistaken, he could be the most followed boxer, or at least top 3 or top 5.

You can remove the 'handsome' part, as I'm quite certain that's not the primary reason why he has numerous fans eager to watch his fights. Besides, most boxing fans are men, and the focus is on a real fighter who can dominate opponents in the ring and deliver an impressive win.

I believe the reason he has a good number of fans is his ability to generate buzz by talking a lot. He easily captures attention and gains traction in the boxing world.

He has the talent definitely and he can back him his talk, not until he faces Tank Davis and he was just over run by Tank. He has a solid career though, even before he become a pro, I think he has some buzz in his name in the amateurs and around the California area.

And when he turn pro, he was compare to Oscar, who is also like him, pretty boy and has the charisma not only to boxing fans, but also non-boxing fans specially the ladies.

But first, if he wants to continue with his fame and the money that it is going for him, he needs to get pass Duarte first in December 2.

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Quote from: Kemarit on November 27, 2023, 12:33:45 AM

Quote from: coin-investor on November 26, 2023, 11:54:24 AM

Garcia still attracts a lot of boxing fans but they need to see a Garcia who can become a multi-title boxing champion, not a social media king, and this will be answered on December 2.

He is a total package, handsome, knows how to use his mouth, and boasted of a lot of followers from his social media account. And if I'm not mistaken, he could be the most followed boxer, or at least top 3 or top 5.

You can remove the 'handsome' part, as I'm quite certain that's not the primary reason why he has numerous fans eager to watch his fights. Besides, most boxing fans are men, and the focus is on a real fighter who can dominate opponents in the ring and deliver an impressive win.

I believe the reason he has a good number of fans is his ability to generate buzz by talking a lot. He easily captures attention and gains traction in the boxing world.

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Quote from: coin-investor on November 26, 2023, 11:54:24 AM

After the Andrade - Benavidez fight that ended in the way that we expected, this Garcia-Duarte is something to watch out for we all know Garcia has an edge and he is the heavy favorite in the match, but I'd like to see what are the things that change on Garcia's fighting style, did he improve, is he more on defense, because in his last fight against Davis, he is all attack with little defense that is why Tank easily beat Garcia being a counterpuncher that he is.

Yes, he is one under the tutelage of Derrick James, the famed coach of Spence and the Charlo brothers and he has raised a lot of world champions already, and Ryan could be the next for him. But we will have to see how Ryan Garcia is, if he is mentally prepared after that devastating lost to Gervonta Davis.

Quote from: coin-investor on November 26, 2023, 11:54:24 AM

Will we all see a better Garcia someone who pressures his opponent and at the same time very calculated with his moves?

And I'm expecting more than that from Ryan. I mean he has been with 3 coaches already so he should be by now, have some knowledge from the 3 and still be improving as he is still very young.

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Garcia still attracts a lot of boxing fans but they need to see a Garcia who can become a multi-title boxing champion, not a social media king, and this will be answered on December 2.

He is a total package, handsome, knows how to use his mouth, and boasted of a lot of followers from his social media account. And if I'm not mistaken, he could be the most followed boxer, or at least top 3 or top 5.

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Quote from: YuginKadoya on November 26, 2023, 01:53:32 PM

For this fight, Oscar Duarte looks huge, and his bodybuild for sure for me isis one tough fighter to crack open, Oscar Duarte really is a lightweight, and sure Ryan Garcia is looking for a big fight for his career, and this is it he found an opportunity to start his winning streak again, but for sure because Duarte has the durability I am seeing Garcia will have a hardtime against this guy for sure while Duarter for sure got the power he can surely smash anybody and if Oscar Duarte goes the distance then Duarte will surely make a point in knocking you down for sure,

He is one big physical specimen and probably that is the reason why he has power, because of how he was built in the first place. But we all know that there are boxers that might have a good power, however, if that chin is going to be tested by Ryan Garcia, we will have to see how strong Duarte's chin is.

Quote from: YuginKadoya on November 26, 2023, 01:53:32 PM

While Ryan Garcia sure has the advantage on the speed with the power I really don't know if he can easily scare Oscar Duarte with that speed sure the striking output will be on his side and sure hydration clause was the one that has got him and was defeated by Gervonta Davis, but against Duarte, for sure that punching speed of Ryan Garcia, you can say that his speed with the accuracy was very dangerous combination for sure I think I will go with Ryan Garcia in this one,

That's what I'm saying, if Garcia landed a solid punch on Duarte's chin, we will see how he will react. If he can take that power and his chin hold, then it's going to be a problem for Ryan as for sure, Oscar will want to just steamroll on him, not worrying about his power and will likely go toe to toe. But if he felt it, then he might go on his bicycle and avoid those power from Garcia.

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For this fight, Oscar Duarte looks huge, and his bodybuild for sure for me isis one tough fighter to crack open, Oscar Duarte really is a lightweight, and sure Ryan Garcia is looking for a big fight for his career, and this is it he found an opportunity to start his winning streak again, but for sure because Duarte has the durability I am seeing Garcia will have a hardtime against this guy for sure while Duarter for sure got the power he can surely smash anybody and if Oscar Duarte goes the distance then Duarte will surely make a point in knocking you down for sure,

While Ryan Garcia sure has the advantage on the speed with the power I really don't know if he can easily scare Oscar Duarte with that speed sure the striking output will be on his side and sure hydration clause was the one that has got him and was defeated by Gervonta Davis, but against Duarte, for sure that punching speed of Ryan Garcia, you can say that his speed with the accuracy was very dangerous combination for sure I think I will go with Ryan Garcia in this one,

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After the Andrade - Benavidez fight that ended in the way that we expected, this Garcia-Duarte is something to watch out for we all know Garcia has an edge and he is the heavy favorite in the match, but I'd like to see what are the things that change on Garcia's fighting style, did he improve, is he more on defense, because in his last fight against Davis, he is all attack with little defense that is why Tank easily beat Garcia being a counterpuncher that he is.

Will we all see a better Garcia someone who pressures his opponent and at the same time very calculated with his moves?
Garcia still attracts a lot of boxing fans but they need to see a Garcia who can become a multi-title boxing champion, not a social media king, and this will be answered on December 2.

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Quote from: bisdak40 on November 25, 2023, 06:42:01 AM

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Very difficult as to what style Duarte will used in this fight, but if we look at his records, he has a good knockout so it means he loves to get closer to his opponent and then deliver that knockout out punch. It's the question on how will Garcia adjust if this happens, will he turtle up and play defense (he is not use to do it), or go fire with fire just like what he does in the past and 99% of it, he is very successful.

The only blemish in his record is Tank Davis, but we later on know that he has to do a lot with rehydration clause. But here he is the A-side so he will be going with full of confidence specially with James as his new trainer and then there is weight draining for him and he will be full at 140 lbs.

I do think that Garcia will go toe to toe here if that is what Duarte will offer, i mean Garcia is the bigger fighter here in terms of weight because he has been on this division for quite some time and this is his advantage over Duarte who i think his power is still questionable on this division. Though Duarte KO ratio is impressive but the quality of opponent does matter here so again i think that Duarte will be on the defensive end of the fight while Garcia trying to showcase his talent on attacking once more to look good to his fans.

That's also very important factor to include, the quality of opponents that they have face before, and so far it's obvious that in that category, Ryan Garcia has the advantage as he has fought some good fighters along throughout his career. For Duarte, we all haven't heard of his name until Garcia offered him this fight. So this is the first time that we will see him, so maybe he will go toe to toe to show the fans what he got.

But still though, Garcia is above as far as tools and experience goes, and he can even knockout Duarte if this fight goes on that, directly standing against each other and throwing punches. And in Garcia social media post, he shows his speed as if he was challenge by Benavidez showing his speed during his public workout as he has a fight with Andrade. But others says that he can't or won't used this is fight and it's only for public showing.

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Quote from: cryptomaniac_xxx on November 25, 2023, 06:36:21 AM

Very difficult as to what style Duarte will used in this fight, but if we look at his records, he has a good knockout so it means he loves to get closer to his opponent and then deliver that knockout out punch. It's the question on how will Garcia adjust if this happens, will he turtle up and play defense (he is not use to do it), or go fire with fire just like what he does in the past and 99% of it, he is very successful.

The only blemish in his record is Tank Davis, but we later on know that he has to do a lot with rehydration clause. But here he is the A-side so he will be going with full of confidence specially with James as his new trainer and then there is weight draining for him and he will be full at 140 lbs.

I do think that Garcia will go toe to toe here if that is what Duarte will offer, i mean Garcia is the bigger fighter here in terms of weight because he has been on this division for quite some time and this is his advantage over Duarte who i think his power is still questionable on this division. Though Duarte KO ratio is impressive but the quality of opponent does matter here so again i think that Duarte will be on the defensive end of the fight while Garcia trying to showcase his talent on attacking once more to look good to his fans.

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Quote from: Yamifoud on November 25, 2023, 12:57:12 AM

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But Duarte is not short so it will be a different strategy and different fight for Ryan Garcia. And as I have said, what new techniques did he learn from James? We can only find out the answers during the fight and see if Ryan can still fight and still a good boxer.

This is a good match for Garcia, as he isn't the type of fighter who loves to throw jabs and use his height advantage; he prefers to attack. Given Duarte's record, which includes many KO wins, I find it easy to predict the boxing technique Duarte will be using in this fight. If Duarte goes all out to KO Garcia (which, by the way, would make him popular if he succeeds), then I guess Garcia's counterpunch has to be accurate to score a knockdown, or, better yet, a knockout to end the fight early.

Very difficult as to what style Duarte will used in this fight, but if we look at his records, he has a good knockout so it means he loves to get closer to his opponent and then deliver that knockout out punch. It's the question on how will Garcia adjust if this happens, will he turtle up and play defense (he is not use to do it), or go fire with fire just like what he does in the past and 99% of it, he is very successful.

The only blemish in his record is Tank Davis, but we later on know that he has to do a lot with rehydration clause. But here he is the A-side so he will be going with full of confidence specially with James as his new trainer and then there is weight draining for him and he will be full at 140 lbs.

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Definitely, when they have Manny as their champion they were very happy as Pacquiao is the cash cow then and so he was bringing a lot of money to them and to all people around. So it will make sense that if they want to continue, they will ride on the hype of the likes of Garcia or Tank Davis and maybe invent a new belt just for this guys to be on the WBC organization.

Absolutely true!!!!! The increasing prominence of greed is glaringly evident. The era of captivating boxing events appears to have waned since Pacman's retirement. If only all champions were less hesitant to face each other, fans could enjoy more satisfying bouts.

The current issue lies in fighters being overly fixated on maintaining their undefeated records. They seem willing to take on unpopular opponents solely to pad their win streaks. This trend continues for boxers who are good at cherry-picking opponents, hyping up fights, but failed to deliver an entertaining performances. Regrettably, if this trend persists, I'm concerned that boxing as a whole may slowly lose its appeal, with fans reluctant to be disappointed every time they tune in for a match.

And I think that we have seen the decline already, a lot of good fights are not making money, and again, it was Ryan vs Tank's fight that really made it to the million PPV while others have poor performance.

I do agree, they want to preserved their 0 records and not facing the best in their era or generation. But during the golden years or boxing, or at least the last time we witnessed Pacquiao doing his runs to 8 divisions and then facing the best in the lower weight with great Mexican legendaries like MAB, Erik Morales and JMM and doesn't care if he losses that fight or not.

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Quote from: Yamifoud on November 25, 2023, 12:57:12 AM

Quote from: Yaunfitda on November 25, 2023, 12:17:25 AM

But Duarte is not short so it will be a different strategy and different fight for Ryan Garcia. And as I have said, what new techniques did he learn from James? We can only find out the answers during the fight and see if Ryan can still fight and still a good boxer.

This is a good match for Garcia, as he isn't the type of fighter who loves to throw jabs and use his height advantage; he prefers to attack. Given Duarte's record, which includes many KO wins, I find it easy to predict the boxing technique Duarte will be using in this fight. If Duarte goes all out to KO Garcia (which, by the way, would make him popular if he succeeds), then I guess Garcia's counterpunch has to be accurate to score a knockdown, or, better yet, a knockout to end the fight early.

And with that, maybe this is what his new trainer has been developing for him? He has a good counter puncher already with that left hook of his, but sometimes he over hits his opponent and that's why he was exposed, like in the Campbell fight and of course in the Davis fight when he over commits and then his opponent take advantage of it.

So let's see if there's such improvement in his counter punching, if Duarte chooses to go toe to toe and take that risk that to be able to get a good punch he might eat something in return and hope that he can hold on against the power of Ryan Garcia here.

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Quote from: Yaunfitda on November 25, 2023, 12:17:25 AM

But Duarte is not short so it will be a different strategy and different fight for Ryan Garcia. And as I have said, what new techniques did he learn from James? We can only find out the answers during the fight and see if Ryan can still fight and still a good boxer.

This is a good match for Garcia, as he isn't the type of fighter who loves to throw jabs and use his height advantage; he prefers to attack. Given Duarte's record, which includes many KO wins, I find it easy to predict the boxing technique Duarte will be using in this fight. If Duarte goes all out to KO Garcia (which, by the way, would make him popular if he succeeds), then I guess Garcia's counterpunch has to be accurate to score a knockdown, or, better yet, a knockout to end the fight early.

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It's less than 2 weeks already and we'll see if Ryan Garcia has improved since joining Derrick James. But still, it is hard to make this fight a basis if Ryan is ready for a title fight because Duarte is only a 135-fighter. Sometimes it is sad when Ryan complains as to how Davis made him drop in weight and not fight his confident weight. But here he is exploiting a 135 fighter to move up in weight. So this time, I am hoping the underdog to score an upset. Ryan has already been dropped after getting hit in the chin and was stopped by a body shot so somehow Duarte has a clue on how things should be done. But it won't be easy since Ryan is fighting in his comfortable weight so he will definitely come out strong and Duarte might appear slower and needs to acclimatize due to the added weight which he is not used to.

Ryan was the good boxer compared with Oscar from their past game history.But we can't sure the history will be repeated again,So we may have a match to the Oscar.But the skilled person like the Ryan can't be beated with the less skills.The Oscar should check the previous game of the Ryan and do improve of the skills basd on the previous game.Even though the boxer keep increase of the new skills,the weakness will survive for the longer period.The boxer will increase or decrease of the weight based on the game and the title.Mostly the boxer will reduce their weight to play for the title of the less weight boxer.If the boxer want to play the game of more weight compared to his weight,it's not easy for the gambler to win after increased weight.

I think what he says that Ryan Garcia went into another coaching changes, he went from Eddy Reynos->Goosen-> and now Derrick James. And so we need to look if Garcia has improved with his new trainer or not. Specially on how he throws and generate power on his signature left hook. It didn't land significant against Tank Davis though, as Tank is expecting that Ryan will throw that so once he dock, he throws a body shot.

But Duarte is not short so it will be a different strategy and different fight for Ryan Garcia. And as I have said, what new techniques did he learn from James? We can only find out the answers during the fight and see if Ryan can still fight and still a good boxer.

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Quote from: btc_angela on November 24, 2023, 05:15:20 PM

Definitely, when they have Manny as their champion they were very happy as Pacquiao is the cash cow then and so he was bringing a lot of money to them and to all people around. So it will make sense that if they want to continue, they will ride on the hype of the likes of Garcia or Tank Davis and maybe invent a new belt just for this guys to be on the WBC organization.

Absolutely true!!!!! The increasing prominence of greed is glaringly evident. The era of captivating boxing events appears to have waned since Pacman's retirement. If only all champions were less hesitant to face each other, fans could enjoy more satisfying bouts.

The current issue lies in fighters being overly fixated on maintaining their undefeated records. They seem willing to take on unpopular opponents solely to pad their win streaks. This trend continues for boxers who are good at cherry-picking opponents, hyping up fights, but failed to deliver an entertaining performances. Regrettably, if this trend persists, I'm concerned that boxing as a whole may slowly lose its appeal, with fans reluctant to be disappointed every time they tune in for a match.

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