Topic: [Boxing] Ryan Garcia vs Oscar Duarte (December 2) - page 3. (Read 1089 times)

with duarte's record, ryan should have alternative plans other than throwing his left hook because for sure duarte's camp will do their research. they won't go inside the ring without checking his past history and look for his weaknesses.
garcia's name may be more familiar over duarte but am not totally convinced about the odds given to duarte. an upset may possibly happen on this match.

Ryan lives and dies with his left hook we have seen it in all his past fights, It is just unfortunate that Gervonta does not want to open for that left hook he is fully aware that the left hook will unload anytime because that was Ryan Garcia's best weapon.

Now if Duarte did his assignment and was fully prepared to counter that left hook then we have a fight and Ryan needs to improvise or change his plan, that has been Ryan's weakness he has no alternate plan when his left hook cannot deliver he has no other course of action.

Another of Ryan's weaknesses is his poor defense, the counter can easily get in, but anyway, Duarte is not Gervonta who is a veteran of tough fights and a thinking fighter, something that cannot be said of Duarte.

I think the odds started 5:1 Duarte underdog, now it's 4:1. But I'm looking at the over and under rounds, I think this will be a good and 'safe' bet. I'm look at Duarte's win and although he has the power, I see some vulnerabilities and that is he is open for the left hook.

And we know that Ryan's best weapons is his left hook. So I don't think that this fight is going to distance. It will be under 8.5 in my opinion and Ryan winning by stoppage or by a brutal left hook.

This is supposedly Ryan's 3rd fight in the division. He moved up in weight probably after suffering his first career knockdown against Luke Campbell. So it's a valid reason for moving up in weight to make him stronger and more comfortable.

I think Duarte has real power even if he only came from 135. The only question however is if he can manage to pin Ryan and corner him in the ropes. Ryan is more comfortable in this weight so he will be faster. And it will only bring disaster on Duarte if he becomes very slow at this 143 catchweight.

Yeah, Al Hymen will try to take Ryan in the PBC umbrella. But if Ryan is all about money then I guess he'll be in Matchroom because it has the deepest budget in boxing and a chance for the WBC belt which is held by Prograis. Al Hymen however can tempt Ryan by assuring him a fight against the undeserving and weakest champion in the division, Rolly Romero. I still see Top Rank as having the best talents in the division but Ryan may not like it as it will only bring disaster to his career.


Yeah, I think Duarte is a little underrated with that odds here. But maybe it's the bettors' money that moved the odds. Ryan has a huge fan base so it's possible.

Although it happened at 135, it's still possible that Ryan can be dropped when hit hard in the chin and the body. So Duarte has to go to the body more often than just headhunting. But before that, Duarte has to show at least decent speed or he can corner Ryan, then use his strength and turn the fight into a brawl. Ryan is trained by James so I expect him to become more faster and will try to box in the outside.

That odds hasn't change from the start I guess. Well, personally I'm not surprise with the odds as Ryan Garcia is still considered as a superstar in boxing while Duarte hasn't created a name yet in boxing, maybe after he'll beat Garcia, but that would be a tough job for him, but let's see.

It's a great challenge for Garcia, proving to the fans that he's back and he is still mentally healthy after losing a big fight, so just like most of us here, I'm excited to withness this fight and I'm rooting for King Ry to win via KO.

I'm thinking that both of this 2 fighters doesn't have the intention to make that 140 lbs weight limit. I do agree that Duarte is somewhat the bigger fighter based on their physical body as he looks more dense that Ryan Garcia.

I was surprised that the bookmakers put Duarte at 4:1 underdog against Ryan. For sure they know something after the weight-in. So obviously, this is a cherry pick for Ryan just to be comfortable at 140 lbs. But still very interesting how Ryan chin will react. As I think that Duarte will go head hunting from the very first round to really put pressure on Ryan and test if he is ready from those power bombs.

Yes, we will have to see both sides, Ryan's fighter carrying to 140 lbs or not or if he can take the power of Duarte. And this is Ryan supposedly first fight at 140 lbs although both are over the weight class limit. Duarte is huge no doubt about it, but we will question if he can used that power and if Ryan chin can hold with that power.

The odds though, Duarte being a huge underdog, personally, I might skip this one and probably just watch it for fun.

As for Ryan vs his boss, it's understood by now, once that contract is up, he will go and shop for other promoter, I reckon it could be just Match Room or Premier Boxing Champions of, how you call him? Al Hymen? 

Ryan Garcia talking about wanting to become a world champion yet here is another issue with him not making the 140 limit. Luckily this is not a title fight and he is cherry-picking a 135 fighter. Duarte looked bigger than Ryan but let's not get misled that this guy is not used to fighting in this weight. So Duarte might be slower and at the same time not used to getting hit by opponents at this weight. No wonder the odds are nearing x4 already on Duarte. I'm just hoping Duarte can take Ryan's power punches so he can go near and unleash his power punches.

Yes, when I see the odds and the face-off, I want to think that Duarte might have a chance against Ryan. I mean the dude is also big, and they have almost the same height and it seems that Ryan Garcia is really pissed with GBP and so this might have to play in his mind in this fight.

But let's see, I haven't put any bet yet, as you have said it's very appealing for bettors who love to go with the undercard.

Duarte possessed a knockout power and who knows, maybe just one big punch will do it for him and put Garcia on the matt never to stand up.

I watched Duarte's highlight fights and I see his performance is quite good, I like how he keeps up his defensive stance even when throwing punches his mannerism of having his hand right back on guard after the punches may be the key for this fight to keep him going. unless Ryan Garcia timed him well and hit him on the bucket.  If I had the fund I would go with Duarte on this one, who knows, upset happens and the 4:1 odds is really tempting. 

Btw, Duarte loss is from a split decision so this guy had never been KO'ed in his career.  So we might say that the guy is tough and this toughness will be tested in this coming fight against Ryan Garcia.

Here is the weigh-in: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rd1ZvW4EztA

Ryan Garcia - 143 pounds
Oscar Duarte -142.8 pounds

Both are their heaviest, but still their body is in good shape. Awkward situation with Bernard and Oscar in their with Ryan Garcia, and yes as others have said, this is just for Ryan to honor his contract and after that, we all know the feeling that Ryan will not extend his contract with them with the recent spat that we have heard between GBP and Ryan himself.

Another not so good message thrown by Oscar is that Ryan might not be in a good mental state again with his recent statements and reactions to Bernard. Duarte after this weigh in is now 4:1 underdog.

Soon, in just matter of hours we will see the battle between the two knockout kings meeting and it is clear that Garcia is increasingly the favorite in this fight to win, but worthy victory is knockout.
As I said before, it could end in 12 rounds so Duarte has chance to win because he has fighting style with almost perfect punches or you could say they always go in.
For now, I actually feel doubtful about choosing one of them as favorite and indeed this is fight that is difficult to predict, especially since Duarte also looks quite confident in facing Garcia.
But if you are brave enough to take risks, Garcia can be viable option and he still has decent Odds.

Yes, that absolutely true and it's clear that anyone will make Garcia their favorite because this is very important fight and Garcia must be able to win.
The deciding factor for Garcia in the WBA super light class is this fight because if he loses then what Garcia has achieved during his career as boxer with the undisputed knockout king will be lost.
The bookie will always favor whoever has greater chance of winning, like Garcia.
But honestly, now I have doubts.

Ryan is battling against the mouth that feeds him, sure the production will not make it easy for him.  And it's possible for the whole GBP gang including the judges not to give Ryan a proper scoring. Just what my gut feeling is that Ryan will have to do the extraordinary win but if they finish the whole 12 rounds, the decision might just be biased and Duarte could win by Decision.

Honestly this is a foolish decision from Teofimo he should have taken the offer regardless of the price or he can negotiate so the fight could happen because this was his chance to make a comeback from those lackluster performances, Teofimo's last three fights were forgettable and he needs a big comeback fight from someone who is a big a name, and since he turned him down right away without negotiating he loses that chance.

But let's see if he will renegotiate after Garcia's fight, this is a pressure fight for Ryan but I expect him to win and from there negotiate to a much bigger name and could possibly offer Lopez a better price since Teo looks like an easy fight for Ryan.

Well, Ryan is just forced to honor his remaining contract with GBP. Earlier, Ryan tried to get out of it but GBP filed a case citing the contract is still active. It could be 1 or 2 fights under his contract. But Ryan is heading to another promotion after his contract with GBP. Oscar just remained professional but Bernard another owner of GBP said something that offended Ryan. Ryan's talkative as always so he's expected to respond. But Bernard has a point, Ryan is more like bluffing and calling champions but I doubt he is facing a champion anytime soon.

And even if Ryan wins in an impressive fashion against Duarte, it's never a good basis that he is ready for anybody at 140 since he's only facing a 135 fighter.

Take it from someone who's been here for 28 years he knows what he's talking about, the boxing community demands so much from boxers if they want to be called elite, Bernard just wants Ryan to step up and motivate him there's a misinterpretation between the two camps.
Seriously this is very hard for Ryan, as a boxer you don't want to step into the ring with issues within your camp, your camp should have 100% support for you so you can perform at your best.
I'm now very curious about how things will unfold but one thing is clear the wounds are so deep that I don't think they can be patched, Ryan needs a new promotion and it's going to be a big disaster if Ryan gets upset by Duarte.
Let's see if Ryan can fight or perform under pressure, he badly needs this win if he wants to continue his trail to his legacy, that has been halted by a loss from Gervonta.

Yeah, I think that was an obvious low ball offer from GBP. If I'm not mistaken, he is close to $5 million on that lost to Kambosos. But he was able to quickly bounce back after winning a belt against Josh Taylor at 140 lbs. And with that he is the lineal champion.


Weakest amongst the 140 lbs is Romero but the scary champion is Matias with that power and good chin. He might not be very technical but he could knockout everyone in the division, even Ryan Garcia. So I think GBP will stay away from Matias for now unless they want a biggest risk, bigger reward fight.

And this is what Oscar has to say: https://www.youtube.com/shorts/ckwOoKAzuWA

I do believed that the split is imminent in the future for Ryan and GBP. There are even interviews that Ryan is now cool with his former trainer, Eddy Reynoso and Canelo Alvarez.

But I do like what Bernard says though, "boxing will call your bluff".

Well, here's a video of that

Ryan Garcia RIPS Bernard Hopkins & De La Hoya over criticism! LASHES OUT at final presser!

Check the look on Oscar Dela Hoya's face while talking about that, it's pretty obvious that the two camps are headed to split and Ryan wants out of Oscar's The Golden Boy Promotion, he cannot stand the two managers of The Golden Boy, it's just good to see that he is very motivated to get back winning and hopefully, this is the fight that will bring him back, so he can humiliate Bernard and Oscar.
Can't wait to see the fight happen and the interviews after the fight.

^ There's another interview from Bernard wherein he said:


https://www.boxingscene.com/ryan-garcia-lashes-out-golden-boy-hopkins-why-you-disrespect-your-only-superstar-fighter-right-now--179606

You can read Ryan's rant about it and decide who has a point or who is just hyping the fight.

As far as promotion goes, it is still done by Oscar, even though he is a partner of GBP, Bernard usually is in the sideline and he let Oscar do all the talking during promotions.