Topic: Boxing Speculation, Odds and Predictions - page 112. (Read 31627 times)

I like that comment, after Tapales who knows another pinoy fighter will bring another belt and glory back to our country. It's been a while when both Pacquiao and Donaire, together with those well-known boxers, dominated these sports, though the winning chance is not that high as knowing Maloney's capabilities, he might dominate this fight.

But for sure, Astrolabio will not be there for nothing. He will also try everything to steal this win from Maloney.

For now, we are just going to wait if what are the strategy is from both Maloney and Astrolabio and how they will going to execute to win.

Yup! I agree, the truth is I really don't know Janibek Alimkhanuly and will surely research him, but Steven Butler at the young age of 27 has many bouts right now, the last year of 2022 he got 4 bouts in just 1 year and he won that fights after his defeat in the year 2019 against Ryota Murata, and 2021 against Jose de Jesus Macias, he decided to take 2022 to the next level and having 4 bouts in 1 year,

But the Main Card Jason Moloney against Vincent Astrolabio I also think is the main event, and if Vincent Astrolabio wins this he will be the WBO World Bantamweight champion, this title is vacant right now and he may take it home to the Philippines if he wins against Moloney surely it is going to be another belt for the country,


Yup! It was the vacant belt of Naoya Inoue many want to take and these two fighters surely got a chance Jason Moloney quite has the edge in taking it but he can not underestimate the determination of a Filipino fighter that can surely comeback from any deficit, he was defeated by Naoya Inoue in the year 2020, as a challenger but right now he is taking a shot again,

 

Correct, the WBO belt is vacant due to Inoue going up in weight. And since Moloney and Astrolabio are the #1 and #2 rated boxers in their division, it's just right that they are going to fight for the belt now. But I do agree that this fight might be better than the main event because this two boxers are well know as compare to Janibek Alimkhanuly VS Steven Butler, although it is also for the WBO middleweight belt.

So it will be a question whether we will see another upset and another Filipino being crowned as world champion. And this is fight week so for sure everyone here is going to watch this fight.

Both boxers are viewed as the challenger since the WBO belt was recently vacated by the former undisputed Naoya Inoue and that means that the belt is vacant now, therefore, neither Astralabio nor Moloney is defending it.

Jason Moloney preferred the WBO belt because he got more chances of winning and getting the vacant belt rather than competing against Nonito Donaire for the vacant WBC belt where his chances are not that strong. But still, this Vincent Astrolabio is not a push over either and I'm currently leaning on him to upset the current favorite.

The main card seems bigger than the main event

No doubt Alimkhanuly is really strong if we look it from his stats, but Butler isn't really a weak boxer, but Alimkhanuly is a huge favorite since the odds is 1.03x and the odds for Butler is 11.00x. I still don't see Alimkhanuly will definitely win this fight, maybe upset could happen in this match.

As for Moloney vs Astrolabio match, even though Moloney is a challenger, but he has a good chance to win in this fight.

That could be a record of sort now, 150,000 screaming fans of Canelo. As far as I can remember, Julio Cesar Chavez Sr can fill 50,000 fans easily during his prime as the number 1 fighter of Mexico.


Yeah, but still we wanted to see a good knockout coming from the hometown record, but Ryder has a tough chin and big heart so we should show him respect for that one. But then again, there could be arguments that Canelo might be affected of his hand injury as he might not throwing it 100% as he just wanted to test his hands.

So now we look for either another Mexican in David Benavidez or a rematch with Dmitri Bivol.

I know this is not a big match but this event is on May 11, for everyone that is interested, with the Alimkhanuly vs. Butler and a Filipino boxer Vincent Astrolabio will be facing Jason Moloney on this event,

Alimkhanuly vs. Butler

Date & Time: Saturday 05.13.2023 at 08:00 PM ET
Promotion: Top Rank
Location: Stockton, California
Boxing Bouts: 6



WBO World Middleweight Title
MAIN EVENT
Janibek Alimkhanuly VS Steven Butler

WBO World Bantamweight Title
MAIN CARD
Jason Moloney VS Vincent Astrolabio
Gabriel Flores Jr. VS Derrick Murray
Robson Conceição VS Nicolas Polanco
Haven Brady Jr VS D'Angelo Fuentes
Javier Martinez VS Joeshon James

All information was from TAPOLOGY
(EDIT) Sorry wrong thread it should be on the MMA so I corrected my post here is the real boxing match

150,000 audience in a big stadium where almost everyone is supporting Canelo Alvarez in his home Guadalajara Mexico.
Well, Canelo didn't let down his people and he performed great against Ryder. It's just that he cannot knock him out although he knocks him down once which I thought will end the fight. Ryder stood up and became a better boxer afterward and he fought well in the next half of the 12 rounds. Showing his tenacity and his heart to try and win it without any regrets.
He did make me a fan of his when he showed how tough he is even though he was all bloody and breathing in his mouth. That must've been hard for him to continue the fight.

Canelo still won in UD which is not questionable. I give 6 rounds for Canelo and 4 for Ryder, 2 ties.

Might adjust but not enough since he also needs to lose some weight the focus on trainings might not that solid even they are anticipating that Davis will throw those body shots, he even try to punch and counter that attack but the solid landed punch of Davis is strong enough that he really can't take that's why he lose the fight.

He needs more adjustments and needs to adopt on how he will be able to support that weakness, either he will try to solidify that
part or he needs to throw a counter then runaway to escape being boxed.

Not just boxing, but in all other sports, be in contact or non-contact, this athletes will really need to used their brain as well to win championship. Just like the great Vince Lombardi says, "inches make champions". So with everything is all equal, specially in strength department, you will need to think of something that will take you to become a champion.

And in this case, Tank Davis outsmart Ryan by seeing that one small opening in his body. And when he deliver that power shot in the ribs, it was all over as Garcia didn't anticipate than and you can't prepare for that brutal one body punch. Every one of them has fell because that is a vulnerable spot.

The results could have been quite surprising for some, but for others they were logical, here what I like most about boxing is that despite the fact that it is a contact sport and that it has a lot to do with the strength with which you fight and the resistance at all times to withstand blows, because what predominates is intelligence, the most intelligent boxers are the ones who always win and what happened was that, the most intelligent one won and the other was surprised even though he had a great.

I think Ryan Garcia knows it, that's why he take that risk to fight Tank Davis, but he give up so many things like the catch weight and rehydration clause and we could say that it's one factor why he lost in this fight.

And it's very easy to spot Ryan's weaknesses, I mean the body shot. Even before he works with Reynoso and has some shadow sparring with Canelo Alvarez, you can see the Canelo instantly saw that weakness and throw some body shots. I saw it in Twitter and it was the exact punch that Davis threw. And obviously, they still didn't prepare for that kind of shot or learn how to cover it up.

It's not a good way to show sportsmanship. They should accept the defeat as it was very obvious who the better fighter was in that fight. It's better to use that experience to correct mistakes and get better. Perhaps Team Ryan was underestimating Tank Davis, but they shouldn't forget that they were the underdogs going into the fight.

Losing his undefeated record could hurt him, but it's important for him to understand that it's part of the game.

As a boxer, you don't win all the time, and there are times when you make mistakes. What's important is to learn from those mistakes and be ready to move on.

https://www.boxingnews24.com/2023/05/can-ryder-upset-canelo-tonight-in-guadalajara/
Putting his career on the line, that's not wise.
Yeah, he is the favorite here but I won't do that as a professional boxer. It sounds arrogant and this gives Ryder all the reason to defeat him. I think many bettors would side with Ryder given the amount of profit plus they say he really has a chance to win it.
And, it is a title fight that Ryder had been wanting for a long time. Two birds in one stone, make Canelo retire and then strip the belt from him.

For Canelo it's a different story, if he wins this fight he will get another shot against Bivol for the WBA Super World Light Heavy and get the revenge that he is hungry for. This is actually a massive fight for both fighters as it opens another path on their career.

It was only a mistake because Ryan Garcia accepted the rehydration clause. I am not saying it was wrong based on the outcome of the fight. Ryan agreed to give Tank one of his advantages which was the weight advantage. If he was allowed to be of any weight he can be for the fight, his punches would have been more threatening and it might force Tank to be more defensive which would work for the favor of Ryan.

Ryan will be a laughing stock? I disagree. There might be some fans who might laugh at him, however.



Now looking for a new coach, Garcia is considering a collaboration with his former mentor.

Garcia and Reynoso will meet to discuss a possible reunion shortly after Alvarez fights John Ryder on Saturday in Mexico, a source with direct knowledge of the agreed-upon meeting told BoxingScene.com.

Source https://www.boxingscene.com/ryan-garcia-considering-reynoso-reunion-canelo-says-eddy-needs-evaluate-lot-things--174361

Well, I am not saying that Joe Goosen is a bad trainer, but he surely made some adjustments to the fight, and Ryan Garcia is not going with the corner plan anymore because he thinks it is not effective against Gervonta Davis, but sure enough, he is the one making the call, and not listening to the corner can cost you so much, unlike Gervonta Davis when he knocks down Ryan Garcia he didn't go for the kill instead he let his composure and still go with their corner's plan, because if he likely goes towards Ryan Garcia that is the time he may fall into the trap, well Gervonta Davis has a lot of IQ going towards Garcia,


That body blow was vicious And Gervonta Davis really aimed for this because he knows that Ryan Garcia's weakness coming to the fight, and Gervontas's fight IQ was really shown in this fight the accuracy, footwork, and even defense was really successful against Ryan Garcia, if they would make a rematch now people would just swarm to bet for Gervonta Davis because of what he showed to their fight, and that is simply a dominant win for Davis,

I also commented on his defense, and to add that it seemed to me that he was very impatient in the fight against devis, he attacked with consecutive punches and left his defense completely open and devis took the opportunity to punch him in the regions of the body that leave the person immobilized, if he wants to improve then he will have to change a little the way he has been fighting in order to strengthen his strategy when he fights with a fighter with Davis characteristics, I don't know if for him to improve he will need to have another coach , I confess that as I'm not a Boxing specialist, I don't understand to what extent a Boxing coach, when training a person, would make that person improve and pick up all the coach's techniques, in soccer for example, coaches only have the function of designing the team's strategy. team

they don't have any way to improve the player in terms of talent, the player is the one who keeps practicing his dribbling, his way of running and positions he thinks is best to play, and the coach just takes the players and makes the formation and says where each player he should play and what he should do in that position and during the game he is guiding the players because as he is off the field he has a better view of everything that is happening on the field, now what exactly does a Boxing coach do that could improve a lot A person? for example what would change if garcia had another coach? Could a trainer bring many changes to a Boxing fighter who has been a professional athlete for years?

their fight was announced longer than 3 months, both teams have time to prepare to achieve weight. if there is anyone to blame, it's Ryan who didn't follow the diet recommendations. the fight is over for weeks, their team still is still in denial.

Everyone in the camp made a mistake by accepting that fight and that is a fact, even Ryan Garcia himself have his own share of mistake because he's the one who is fighting and not the people around him. He should be wiser to know which is better for him and not take the bait just because the hype is already strong enough, and Oscar Dela Hoya, he surely know more than anyone around their camp that it's not good for Ryan to accept that rehydration clause, but they accepted it anyway.

Now everyone inside the camp is blaming everybody and it is hot mess, and personally, I don't really think that Goosen was fired, he was the one who left and not the other way around.

That's a tough one to do after everything what happened, and if Ryan Garcia will do that, he will be laughing stock for running back at them.

I reckon Joe Goosen was not a very good trainer and not a very good advicer for the young fighter that he was supposed to mentor. I am quite certain that it is Ryan Garcia and his management team that decide if they accept a fight or not, however, the trainer should also be part of decision making or he leaves the team. Ryan should have been advised not to accept the 10 pound rehydration clause fight day weight check. This very much weakened Ryan and we did not see the real boxer go in the ring.

In any case, Ryan should go to Fredde Roach or go back to Eddie Reynoso or ask advice from Reynoso on who might be the best person to train him.