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Quote from: danherbias07 on May 02, 2023, 06:35:44 AM

Quote from: TravelMug on May 01, 2023, 11:51:45 PM

And since it was reported that Ryan Garcia chooses to separate with Goosen as his trainer, (he is also a no show if I'm remember correctly) then maybe when Ryan's contract with GBP is up, he might have to look for another boxing promotions I reckon.

I do agree that it was very unprofessional for them to be absent in the post fight press conference. Regardless, they know that they have to cover Ryan's back whether he win or lose that fight. Of course, not just Oscar but those who back up Ryan in this big fight is frustrated because we thought that he still has something inside of him to at least give us a good fight. But Davis is just to good, power and has a good defense to protect himself against Ryan's left hook.

Thank you for the update. I just finished reading about Trainer Goosen and Ryan Garcia going their separate ways. I found some coach's revelations about Garcia too after the issue came out. It seems like KingRy likes to slack off and his former trainer doesn't like that too. They are saying Garcia was not happy about the instructions given to him by Goosen during the Tank Davis fight but I believe this is just a cover for his own problem because many coaches are already verifying the laziness of Ryan.

This first loss probably affected him mentally but this is also where greatness will happen. You lose one, you get back as a stronger fighter, and you polish the mistakes you had done. I don't think changing trainers is the solution to being a better boxer. This year will be a big challenge for him.

You need to understand everything after your loss, if you want to come back strong you need first to accept your defeat and use it as stepping stone to move forward, there's should be no issue about losing a fight and if this concern about his coach will continue to spread, it will not help his career, if he fight again with a new coach and loss then the reflection will continue be negative.

Better to quietly work with how to improve yourself and, for now, stay away from social media. It will help him to focus and regain his former place.

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Quote from: TravelMug on May 01, 2023, 11:51:45 PM

And since it was reported that Ryan Garcia chooses to separate with Goosen as his trainer, (he is also a no show if I'm remember correctly) then maybe when Ryan's contract with GBP is up, he might have to look for another boxing promotions I reckon.

I do agree that it was very unprofessional for them to be absent in the post fight press conference. Regardless, they know that they have to cover Ryan's back whether he win or lose that fight. Of course, not just Oscar but those who back up Ryan in this big fight is frustrated because we thought that he still has something inside of him to at least give us a good fight. But Davis is just to good, power and has a good defense to protect himself against Ryan's left hook.

Thank you for the update. I just finished reading about Trainer Goosen and Ryan Garcia going their separate ways. I found some coach's revelations about Garcia too after the issue came out. It seems like KingRy likes to slack off and his former trainer doesn't like that too. They are saying Garcia was not happy about the instructions given to him by Goosen during the Tank Davis fight but I believe this is just a cover for his own problem because many coaches are already verifying the laziness of Ryan.

This first loss probably affected him mentally but this is also where greatness will happen. You lose one, you get back as a stronger fighter, and you polish the mistakes you had done. I don't think changing trainers is the solution to being a better boxer. This year will be a big challenge for him.

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Quote from: mirakal on May 01, 2023, 11:33:34 AM

Quote from: Jating on April 30, 2023, 06:27:14 PM

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Oscar didn't ditch Canelo though unlike what he did to Ryan after the loss. Just what I have read on news sites.

I haven't followed it though, I saw Floyd comments on no show of Oscar Dela Hoya in the post fight. However, this is Oscar responds,

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Golden Boy Promotions CEO Oscar De La Hoya says the reason he didn’t attend Ryan Garcia’s post-fight press conference last Saturday night is that he was advised by his security team not to attend because he had received “death threats” all week long and they felt it was too dangerous for him to be in attendance.

https://www.boxing247.com/boxing-news/oscar-de-la-hoya-blames-death-threats-for-his-no-show-at-ryan-garcias-post-fight-press-conference-after-loss-to-tank/262224)

And another thing that caught my attention though is the case of Bernard Hopkins as well. He was accused according to Oscar of having a testosterone cream in his hands when he touch Tank in the weight it and was requested by PBC to be out right ban in the fight inside. So Bernard is absent as well.

Hard to know that truth though, and probably we might not know the reasons behind why both of them are absent. The death threat was absurd already, but the Hopkins accusations is very different and most likely the first time that we have heard this before.

And this is the video that you're talking about - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DPLHUeGsmdw

Oscar Dela Hoya's reasons why he wasn't there in the post-fight press conference is too shallow, nobody is buying it, really! He said that he's been receiving death threats all week long but his actions aren't suggesting that he was really receiving some threats because if that were true, I'm certain that he will not be in the fight night and will just watch it live through PPV because it's too risky and dangerous for him, but he was there and then his mood changed when Ryan lost the fight.

Even Floyd Mayweather Jr. and Davis's trainer aren't buying his reasons. It's plain and simple, Oscar was very unprofessional and he was frustrated because Ryan Garcia didn't had the fight even just for a bit. I wonder what did Ryan Garcia felt when Oscar didn't show up.

And since it was reported that Ryan Garcia chooses to separate with Goosen as his trainer, (he is also a no show if I'm remember correctly) then maybe when Ryan's contract with GBP is up, he might have to look for another boxing promotions I reckon.

I do agree that it was very unprofessional for them to be absent in the post fight press conference. Regardless, they know that they have to cover Ryan's back whether he win or lose that fight. Of course, not just Oscar but those who back up Ryan in this big fight is frustrated because we thought that he still has something inside of him to at least give us a good fight. But Davis is just to good, power and has a good defense to protect himself against Ryan's left hook.

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Quote from: jakelyson on May 01, 2023, 12:55:00 AM

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Yes, Ryan Garcia is still relatively young and is at the peak of his career because he has a pretty good winning record, but in the fight a few days ago, Ryan Garcia lost by knockout to Gervonta Davis with a body shot that hit the upper heart and made him really fell down until declared unable to continue the fight.
Both boxers are of the same young age, it's just that Gervonta Davis is much older by a difference of 4 years and has a record of winning more than Ryan Garcia.
This defeat should not be regretted by Ryan Garcia because he still has a long time to become a great fighter and succeed in getting the title he wants.

I'm not sure Ryan Garcia will move up to the top division because it will only make it more difficult for him to win the championship belt.

Yup! Both are the same age but sure enough, it is shown on the fight who has the higher fight IQ and that is Gervonta Davis, but Ryan Garcia is still making his road to Success and upon going that path he will surely fill that cup with techniques and new skills this fight is just a lesson to teach himself well moving forward I really want to see the Devin Haney VS Vasiliy Lomachenko fight that will be a great fight to watch aswell and we may never know what may happen but many are surely expecting Haney winning over Lomachenko,

That fight was really a disappointment, or at least that's what I felt because I did expected a better performance by Ryan Garcia and that he will be wiser on that fight because he already knew how wise Davis is inside the ring and how vast his IQ when it comes to what's needed to be done. But that specific bar that I set for Ryan may have been too high for him even if that is somehow achievable for a fight like that.

Well, hopefully he will indeed learn from his mistakes and enough about that because I'm already thrilled to see Loma fighting for the Devin Haney's throne. Just a few more days folks.

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Quote from: Jating on April 30, 2023, 06:27:14 PM

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Oscar didn't ditch Canelo though unlike what he did to Ryan after the loss. Just what I have read on news sites.

I haven't followed it though, I saw Floyd comments on no show of Oscar Dela Hoya in the post fight. However, this is Oscar responds,

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Golden Boy Promotions CEO Oscar De La Hoya says the reason he didn’t attend Ryan Garcia’s post-fight press conference last Saturday night is that he was advised by his security team not to attend because he had received “death threats” all week long and they felt it was too dangerous for him to be in attendance.

https://www.boxing247.com/boxing-news/oscar-de-la-hoya-blames-death-threats-for-his-no-show-at-ryan-garcias-post-fight-press-conference-after-loss-to-tank/262224)

And another thing that caught my attention though is the case of Bernard Hopkins as well. He was accused according to Oscar of having a testosterone cream in his hands when he touch Tank in the weight it and was requested by PBC to be out right ban in the fight inside. So Bernard is absent as well.

Hard to know that truth though, and probably we might not know the reasons behind why both of them are absent. The death threat was absurd already, but the Hopkins accusations is very different and most likely the first time that we have heard this before.

And this is the video that you're talking about - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DPLHUeGsmdw

Oscar Dela Hoya's reasons why he wasn't there in the post-fight press conference is too shallow, nobody is buying it, really! He said that he's been receiving death threats all week long but his actions aren't suggesting that he was really receiving some threats because if that were true, I'm certain that he will not be in the fight night and will just watch it live through PPV because it's too risky and dangerous for him, but he was there and then his mood changed when Ryan lost the fight.

Even Floyd Mayweather Jr. and Davis's trainer aren't buying his reasons. It's plain and simple, Oscar was very unprofessional and he was frustrated because Ryan Garcia didn't had the fight even just for a bit. I wonder what did Ryan Garcia felt when Oscar didn't show up.

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Quote from: tusandii on April 30, 2023, 08:39:41 AM

Yes, Ryan Garcia is still relatively young and is at the peak of his career because he has a pretty good winning record, but in the fight a few days ago, Ryan Garcia lost by knockout to Gervonta Davis with a body shot that hit the upper heart and made him really fell down until declared unable to continue the fight.
Both boxers are of the same young age, it's just that Gervonta Davis is much older by a difference of 4 years and has a record of winning more than Ryan Garcia.
This defeat should not be regretted by Ryan Garcia because he still has a long time to become a great fighter and succeed in getting the title he wants.

I'm not sure Ryan Garcia will move up to the top division because it will only make it more difficult for him to win the championship belt.

Yup! Both are the same age but sure enough, it is shown on the fight who has the higher fight IQ and that is Gervonta Davis, but Ryan Garcia is still making his road to Success and upon going that path he will surely fill that cup with techniques and new skills this fight is just a lesson to teach himself well moving forward I really want to see the Devin Haney VS Vasiliy Lomachenko fight that will be a great fight to watch aswell and we may never know what may happen but many are surely expecting Haney winning over Lomachenko,

Quote from: bittraffic on April 30, 2023, 06:02:01 PM

Not very exciting fights though. Agree with YuginKadoya about flop sided, one would think they were fixed just like the next fight of Canelo. Obviously Ryder is unknown one, it can just be a tuneup and Oscar wants to make money.

Oscar didn't ditch Canelo though unlike what he did to Ryan after the loss. Just what I have read on news sites.

I have watched the fight aswell and at 1st I thought that the taller Jaime Arboleda would have an advantage with his height and reach but I was wrong, Jaime Arboleda was just surviving the entire fight, and we can compare this fight to a weasel VS a Snake where Zepeda is a weasel while Arboleda is the slow snake, he got nothing to do you can see the advance technique of Zepeda versus Arboleda,

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Quote from: bittraffic on April 30, 2023, 06:02:01 PM

Oscar didn't ditch Canelo though unlike what he did to Ryan after the loss. Just what I have read on news sites.

I haven't followed it though, I saw Floyd comments on no show of Oscar Dela Hoya in the post fight. However, this is Oscar responds,

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Golden Boy Promotions CEO Oscar De La Hoya says the reason he didn’t attend Ryan Garcia’s post-fight press conference last Saturday night is that he was advised by his security team not to attend because he had received “death threats” all week long and they felt it was too dangerous for him to be in attendance.

https://www.boxing247.com/boxing-news/oscar-de-la-hoya-blames-death-threats-for-his-no-show-at-ryan-garcias-post-fight-press-conference-after-loss-to-tank/262224)

And another thing that caught my attention though is the case of Bernard Hopkins as well. He was accused according to Oscar of having a testosterone cream in his hands when he touch Tank in the weight it and was requested by PBC to be out right ban in the fight inside. So Bernard is absent as well.

Hard to know that truth though, and probably we might not know the reasons behind why both of them are absent. The death threat was absurd already, but the Hopkins accusations is very different and most likely the first time that we have heard this before.

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Quote from: bittraffic on April 30, 2023, 06:02:01 PM

Oscar didn't ditch Canelo though unlike what he did to Ryan after the loss. Just what I have read on news sites.

Oscar Dela Hoya had made a statement about the reason why he isn't there with Ryan Garcia after the fight. Oscar dela Hoya explains that he left the vicinity immediately because his security advised him to leave the venue due to a death threat. He also clarifies that there is no issue between him and Ryan Garcia and that even though him being not around his Golden Boy promotion President Eric Gomez is with Ryan Garcia all that time. He said that the circulating rumors are just an attack from PBC minions. PBC minion attacking Ryan Garcia and the Golden Boy Promotion.[1] He did not clarify the reason for the PBC minion's attack though.

[1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sphr9XQSTT0

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Not very exciting fights though. Agree with YuginKadoya about flop sided, one would think they were fixed just like the next fight of Canelo. Obviously Ryder is unknown one, it can just be a tuneup and Oscar wants to make money.

Oscar didn't ditch Canelo though unlike what he did to Ryan after the loss. Just what I have read on news sites.

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Quote from: danherbias07 on April 30, 2023, 01:50:26 AM

Quote from: Japinat on April 28, 2023, 10:11:28 AM

Apart from that, we can somehow say that Ryan Garcia already lost the fight when they signed the contract that got a rehydration clause on it. Catchweight is already manageable enough because they still have some time to gain some few pounds after the weigh-in so that Garcia will be not that drained but that rehydration clause prevents him from obtaining few pounds.

A few pounds could've made a big difference, especially with the striking power of Ryan Garcia. Without rehydration, Davis could easily endure all the punches that Garcia has thrown and I don't think he even felt nervous at all after he received one. Davis kept on talking, maybe telling Garcia that he won't win with weak punches like that. A big lesson that should not be forgotten by Garcia's camp.

Yes, that's why it was really important clause that was inserted by Tank Davis, not saying that he did take advantage of it, but it was evident that it really sap the energy of Ryan. And his body was weaken, that liver shot or the body shot was the perfect plan for that and it did really take the toll on Ryan as just one shot and it was over. It was a big lesson indeed by Garcia and his camp.

Quote from: danherbias07 on April 30, 2023, 01:50:26 AM

Anyway, did we have a boxing fight yesterday/today? I didn't find any schedule from ESPN and DAZN or maybe I missed it.
Next week though sounds interesting. Canelo versus Ryder. Have you guys already set your bets? I guess many of us are with Canelo here. The only problem is, he is a heavy favorite with just 1.06 profit if he wins the match. Predicting what round it will end maybe the better option for betting.

There was the Zepeda vs Jaime Arboleda fight in DAZN. But it seems to be a mismatch as Zepeda knock out Arboleda in 3 rounds. Yes, everyone is looking for the Canelo vs Ryder next, ML is not very attractive. Maybe it's time to look as to what round Canelo will win or stop Ryder. And it's interesting the magnitude of people going to watch their Mexican idol in Canelo.

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Probably many here have missed the match of William Zepeda VS Jaime Arboleda, it was not a big fight and surely a very one-sided one, even though William Zepeda is not taller than Jaime Arboleda but his body shots are abysmal, and likely Jaime Arboleda is feeling that excruciating pain but he surely fight it but with no avail, it was really painful for him, 1st round you can already see Zepeda's composure towards the fight you can see who has a great fight IQ, and Arboleda is just punching with no plan at all, well this could be a pick fight and it was a one-sided fight,

FIGHT HIGHLIGHTS | William Zepeda vs. Jaime Arboleda

MAIN EVENT
William Zepeda DEF Jaime Arboleda

CO-MAIN EVENT
Victor Morales Jr DEF Diego De La Hoya

MAIN CARD
David Stevens DEF Marco Antonio Periban
Fredrick Lawson DEF Esteban Villalobos

PRELIMINARY CARD
Tristan Kalkreuth DEF Jonathan Lee Rice
Roberto Cruz DEF Tyrone Selders
Caleb Suniga DEF Carlos Arroyo
Darius Fulghum DEF Jay Williams

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Quote from: jakelyson on April 27, 2023, 05:46:23 PM

Ryan Garcia is just turning 25 years old, so he definitely has a lot of room to still grow, there is surely a bright future for this kid, and I bet at the higher division he will not really need to make full preparation with his weight and height because he will just need to adjust to things,

And yeah I think if he can get a win, he will eventually take on the upper division but to be a double champion, just like what Naoya Inoue is doing, I think he will eventually make a leap in the upper division in some point,

Yes, Ryan Garcia is still relatively young and is at the peak of his career because he has a pretty good winning record, but in the fight a few days ago, Ryan Garcia lost by knockout to Gervonta Davis with a body shot that hit the upper heart and made him really fell down until declared unable to continue the fight.
Both boxers are of the same young age, it's just that Gervonta Davis is much older by a difference of 4 years and has a record of winning more than Ryan Garcia.
This defeat should not be regretted by Ryan Garcia because he still has a long time to become a great fighter and succeed in getting the title he wants.

I'm not sure Ryan Garcia will move up to the top division because it will only make it more difficult for him to win the championship belt.

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Quote from: Japinat on April 28, 2023, 10:11:28 AM

Apart from that, we can somehow say that Ryan Garcia already lost the fight when they signed the contract that got a rehydration clause on it. Catchweight is already manageable enough because they still have some time to gain some few pounds after the weigh-in so that Garcia will be not that drained but that rehydration clause prevents him from obtaining few pounds.

A few pounds could've made a big difference, especially with the striking power of Ryan Garcia. Without rehydration, Davis could easily endure all the punches that Garcia has thrown and I don't think he even felt nervous at all after he received one. Davis kept on talking, maybe telling Garcia that he won't win with weak punches like that. A big lesson that should not be forgotten by Garcia's camp.

Anyway, did we have a boxing fight yesterday/today? I didn't find any schedule from ESPN and DAZN or maybe I missed it.
Next week though sounds interesting. Canelo versus Ryder. Have you guys already set your bets? I guess many of us are with Canelo here. The only problem is, he is a heavy favorite with just 1.06 profit if he wins the match. Predicting what round it will end maybe the better option for betting.

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Quote from: Jawhead999 on April 17, 2023, 09:19:40 AM

Quote from: YuginKadoya on April 16, 2023, 06:31:50 PM

I may be late replying to this but yeah Zhilei Zhang doesn't look very weak, and surely he was intimidating Joe Joyce even more, I even think Zhilei Zhang is more compose than Joe Joyce, well this is a great opportunity for bettors of Zhilei Zhang because the odds is not with him so congrats to all,

Man, that's really unexpected result how Zhang can win via TKO against Joyce, I think this fight is one of biggest upset in this year.

I read on few articles if many people are mad against Zhang since he hurt Joyce's eyes with an intention and Joyce asking for a rematch because due to his eye injury, he can't fight anymore.

It's quite controversial if someone punch on opponent's eyes, so let's see if there's a further investigation and that's could change the result of this fight, maybe No contest bout?

Well, all this can be taken to a different level, when an injury in boxing is fought, a punch can be received quite Naturally, but of course, the blows that are not valid are the ones that can harm a boxer the most because they are considered to be fighting dirty. and that is something that should not be done,however we as fans Sometimes do not see everything from the point of view that it is, it may be that there are other reasons, the blow could have been without fault, and that can happen, but in punching boxing in the eye specifically is something that cannot be protected and can happen.

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I very much agree on your statement mate, perhaps Ryan Garcia could be more lethal and dangerous in the upper division rather than forcing his own weight to fit in 135. But before all of that, he should try and improve his fighting style first because even if he can survive a few fights against the lower ranks, he will still find himself in the very same position where he can't really touch the champions because he lacks something. It's time for him to move-on and learn the lesson that was taught to him, and equip it to be a better boxer in his new journey.

If he didn't lose that last fight he wouldn't think to get to the upper weight class because he was feeling comfortable there with his speed but when he fought Davis, he realized that his past opponents were just a joke. now that he realized he needed to get up there, he should also train as much as he can to get back his honor and gain some momentum to bounce back again. He is such a charismatic boxer unlike anybody else and he can sell his fights easily, he just needs to give some more, especially in his defensive strategies.

I'd say even if he win that one, that will be his last fight at 135 because his weight was already a problem to him in that division. In-fact, he already had two fights prior his fight versus Gervonta Davis and I believe that the sole reason why Ryan Garcia came back in lightweight was to settle their rivalry with each other that has been going on for years now.

But again, if not because of his defeat versus Tank, he will not be learning his lesson that his movement and defense is not that good enough in-front of the experts in the division. Actually, he already had the same scenario where Luke Campbell exposed him but he let his head to grow bigger because despite that fact, he won the fight.

I agree with that point he thinks that he can easily take what Davis will throw him, he try to fight that solid hit in his ribs but Tanks solid punch is far different from those fighters that Garcia's face before, he didn't manage to absorb and survive and we see the outcome of the fight a big lesson to learn as he needed to grow and adjust to improve his fighting skills.

That just shows that Tank Davis is on a different league compared to Ryan Garcia because Tank as a champion doesn't lose his discipline and he even keeps on reaching milestones to improve his performance inside the ring while Ryan here is not making any improvement because he's just too reliant on the power that his left hand contains. And look what happened to him, even Tank Davis's body punch is powerful enough to make Ryan Garcia kneel and prevented him to recover again. How much more if he had received another clean punch in the temple more than what he received in the 2nd round, he might be sleeping on the canvass if that happened.

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I very much agree on your statement mate, perhaps Ryan Garcia could be more lethal and dangerous in the upper division rather than forcing his own weight to fit in 135. But before all of that, he should try and improve his fighting style first because even if he can survive a few fights against the lower ranks, he will still find himself in the very same position where he can't really touch the champions because he lacks something. It's time for him to move-on and learn the lesson that was taught to him, and equip it to be a better boxer in his new journey.

If he didn't lose that last fight he wouldn't think to get to the upper weight class because he was feeling comfortable there with his speed but when he fought Davis, he realized that his past opponents were just a joke. now that he realized he needed to get up there, he should also train as much as he can to get back his honor and gain some momentum to bounce back again. He is such a charismatic boxer unlike anybody else and he can sell his fights easily, he just needs to give some more, especially in his defensive strategies.

We can't really say that, in this last two fights prior to Tank, he has been fighting in the catch weight as well, as high as almost 140 lbs in the Tagoe fight. So it's obvious that he can't really go to 135 lbs or will have a hard time and at a disadvantage at this weight.

So maybe even if he won against Davis, he will have to get up in weight classes. Ryan is still young and so his body is growing naturally and with his height, definitely he can't stay any longer at 135 lbs and sooner or later will go to Junior-Welterweight.

I follow that last statement, he still young and his body is building naturally. It's tough to fight when you are not in your
comfortable position. I'm not saying that it's the reason why he loses the fight against Davis, but at some point it affects him.

Let see what's the plan for him and how he will comeback, it's just a good hype for his name, another cherry pick fight that will result
to hype his name back.

Apart from that, we can somehow say that Ryan Garcia already lost the fight when they signed the contract that got a rehydration clause on it. Catchweight is already manageable enough because they still have some time to gain some few pounds after the weigh-in so that Garcia will be not that drained but that rehydration clause prevents him from obtaining few pounds.

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Quote from: mirakal on April 27, 2023, 02:53:27 PM

Quote from: yazher on April 26, 2023, 07:39:41 PM

Quote from: Vaculin on April 26, 2023, 03:21:07 PM

I very much agree on your statement mate, perhaps Ryan Garcia could be more lethal and dangerous in the upper division rather than forcing his own weight to fit in 135. But before all of that, he should try and improve his fighting style first because even if he can survive a few fights against the lower ranks, he will still find himself in the very same position where he can't really touch the champions because he lacks something. It's time for him to move-on and learn the lesson that was taught to him, and equip it to be a better boxer in his new journey.

If he didn't lose that last fight he wouldn't think to get to the upper weight class because he was feeling comfortable there with his speed but when he fought Davis, he realized that his past opponents were just a joke. now that he realized he needed to get up there, he should also train as much as he can to get back his honor and gain some momentum to bounce back again. He is such a charismatic boxer unlike anybody else and he can sell his fights easily, he just needs to give some more, especially in his defensive strategies.

I'd say even if he win that one, that will be his last fight at 135 because his weight was already a problem to him in that division. In-fact, he already had two fights prior his fight versus Gervonta Davis and I believe that the sole reason why Ryan Garcia came back in lightweight was to settle their rivalry with each other that has been going on for years now.

But again, if not because of his defeat versus Tank, he will not be learning his lesson that his movement and defense is not that good enough in-front of the experts in the division. Actually, he already had the same scenario where Luke Campbell exposed him but he let his head to grow bigger because despite that fact, he won the fight.

I agree with that point he thinks that he can easily take what Davis will throw him, he try to fight that solid hit in his ribs but Tanks solid punch is far different from those fighters that Garcia's face before, he didn't manage to absorb and survive and we see the outcome of the fight a big lesson to learn as he needed to grow and adjust to improve his fighting skills.

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Quote from: yazher on April 26, 2023, 07:39:41 PM

If he didn't lose that last fight he wouldn't think to get to the upper weight class because he was feeling comfortable there with his speed but when he fought Davis, he realized that his past opponents were just a joke. now that he realized he needed to get up there, he should also train as much as he can to get back his honor and gain some momentum to bounce back again. He is such a charismatic boxer unlike anybody else and he can sell his fights easily, he just needs to give some more, especially in his defensive strategies.

he could surely train with Davis instead but seriously Conor McGregor giving some advice for Ryan Garcia is not really expected I guess McGregor is just cheering up the kid, and he said that he wants to see a rematch because he believes that Ryan Garcia is the future, maybe he wants to see a rematch because he bet for Gervonta Davis instead, but Ryan Garcia is still a kid a 24 years old that have a lot of room to grow and learned that is why McGregor is saying that Garcia is the future,

Quote from: TravelMug on April 26, 2023, 07:46:25 PM

We can't really say that, in this last two fights prior to Tank, he has been fighting in the catch weight as well, as high as almost 140 lbs in the Tagoe fight. So it's obvious that he can't really go to 135 lbs or will have a hard time and at a disadvantage at this weight.

So maybe even if he won against Davis, he will have to get up in weight classes. Ryan is still young and so his body is growing naturally and with his height, definitely he can't stay any longer at 135 lbs and sooner or later will go to Junior-Welterweight.

Ryan Garcia is just turning 25 years old, so he definitely has a lot of room to still grow, there is surely a bright future for this kid, and I bet at the higher division he will not really need to make full preparation with his weight and height because he will just need to adjust to things,

And yeah I think if he can get a win, he will eventually take on the upper division but to be a double champion, just like what Naoya Inoue is doing, I think he will eventually make a leap in the upper division in some point,

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Quote from: Vaculin on April 26, 2023, 03:21:07 PM

I very much agree on your statement mate, perhaps Ryan Garcia could be more lethal and dangerous in the upper division rather than forcing his own weight to fit in 135. But before all of that, he should try and improve his fighting style first because even if he can survive a few fights against the lower ranks, he will still find himself in the very same position where he can't really touch the champions because he lacks something. It's time for him to move-on and learn the lesson that was taught to him, and equip it to be a better boxer in his new journey.

If he didn't lose that last fight he wouldn't think to get to the upper weight class because he was feeling comfortable there with his speed but when he fought Davis, he realized that his past opponents were just a joke. now that he realized he needed to get up there, he should also train as much as he can to get back his honor and gain some momentum to bounce back again. He is such a charismatic boxer unlike anybody else and he can sell his fights easily, he just needs to give some more, especially in his defensive strategies.

I'd say even if he win that one, that will be his last fight at 135 because his weight was already a problem to him in that division. In-fact, he already had two fights prior his fight versus Gervonta Davis and I believe that the sole reason why Ryan Garcia came back in lightweight was to settle their rivalry with each other that has been going on for years now.

But again, if not because of his defeat versus Tank, he will not be learning his lesson that his movement and defense is not that good enough in-front of the experts in the division. Actually, he already had the same scenario where Luke Campbell exposed him but he let his head to grow bigger because despite that fact, he won the fight.

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Quote from: TravelMug on April 26, 2023, 07:46:25 PM

Quote from: yazher on April 26, 2023, 07:39:41 PM

Quote from: Vaculin on April 26, 2023, 03:21:07 PM

I very much agree on your statement mate, perhaps Ryan Garcia could be more lethal and dangerous in the upper division rather than forcing his own weight to fit in 135. But before all of that, he should try and improve his fighting style first because even if he can survive a few fights against the lower ranks, he will still find himself in the very same position where he can't really touch the champions because he lacks something. It's time for him to move-on and learn the lesson that was taught to him, and equip it to be a better boxer in his new journey.

If he didn't lose that last fight he wouldn't think to get to the upper weight class because he was feeling comfortable there with his speed but when he fought Davis, he realized that his past opponents were just a joke. now that he realized he needed to get up there, he should also train as much as he can to get back his honor and gain some momentum to bounce back again. He is such a charismatic boxer unlike anybody else and he can sell his fights easily, he just needs to give some more, especially in his defensive strategies.

We can't really say that, in this last two fights prior to Tank, he has been fighting in the catch weight as well, as high as almost 140 lbs in the Tagoe fight. So it's obvious that he can't really go to 135 lbs or will have a hard time and at a disadvantage at this weight.

So maybe even if he won against Davis, he will have to get up in weight classes. Ryan is still young and so his body is growing naturally and with his height, definitely he can't stay any longer at 135 lbs and sooner or later will go to Junior-Welterweight.

I follow that last statement, he still young and his body is building naturally. It's tough to fight when you are not in your
comfortable position. I'm not saying that it's the reason why he loses the fight against Davis, but at some point it affects him.

Let see what's the plan for him and how he will comeback, it's just a good hype for his name, another cherry pick fight that will result
to hype his name back.

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