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Quote from: cabron on May 23, 2023, 12:55:58 AM

You still can consider it ducking when they don't wanna risk their zero loss. It was said they were about to fight if it weren't of covid. So whats making them say NO when Casimero keeps shouting about their fight.

Its always their excuse to say there is bigger risk for a champ with 0 loss. But he is the monster, he should fight well rounded boxers who are willing. Don't wait for a force mandatory from WBO for its gonna be more embarassing

Let's just wish they can accept the challenge as soon as Inoue recovers from his injury and finish the fight against Fulton. It's not that long plus recovery. I think 3-4 months after his fight they could make it happen. I think Casimero might have a better chance for it to happen when Inoue starts experiencing a loss. But when he gets the title from Fulton, they might avoid him again.

There's a title fight this 27th of May in Northern Ireland.
Edit: It's already shared by @jakelyson above.
I'll just share the odds instead.

Conlan is the favorite at @1.80 while Lopez is at @1.98
Conlan by KO - 6.20 by decision 2.24
Lopez by KO - 4.30 by decision 3.35
Lopez has a higher KO rate (27-15) than Conlan (18-9) so I guess that is why the odds differ when it comes to the favorite.

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Quote from: cabron on May 23, 2023, 12:55:58 AM

You still can consider it ducking when they don't wanna risk their zero loss. It was said they were about to fight if it weren't of covid. So whats making them say NO when Casimero keeps shouting about their fight.

Its always their excuse to say there is bigger risk for a champ with 0 loss. But he is the monster, he should fight well rounded boxers who are willing. Don't wait for a force mandatory from WBO for its gonna be more embarassing

Hopefully, that will happen soon as both boxers are now in the same division. Those who are following Casimero's journey will never forget how he wanted to fight Inoue, while Inoue's camp kept avoiding him. Well, if a mandatory fight is the only way, then I suppose Inoue should win a championship fight first, and then Casimero might have a chance.

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You still can consider it ducking when they don't wanna risk their zero loss. It was said they were about to fight if it weren't of covid. So whats making them say NO when Casimero keeps shouting about their fight.

Its always their excuse to say there is bigger risk for a champ with 0 loss. But he is the monster, he should fight well rounded boxers who are willing. Don't wait for a force mandatory from WBO for its gonna be more embarassing

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Quote from: serjent05 on May 22, 2023, 04:08:03 PM

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Quote from: Kemarit on May 22, 2023, 05:46:00 AM

I don't think that Inoue is dodging Casimero, and if I'm not mistaken, they will should have set to collide for the unification fight it not for the weight issues Casimero had in the bantamweight division.

And now that both have move up in the same division again, maybe just a matter of time before they will have to fight.

However, it's not easy as it sounds, Casimero should go up and win at least a belt in this division before Inoue and him can face each other. Inoue is fighting for the belt next against Fulton so it's more on Inoue on control here.

I agree John Riel Casimero should at least get some decent fight before challenging Naoya Inoue, for sure Inoue will be at his highest peak here, while his opponent Fillipus Nghitumbwa I really think that John Riel Casimero got a hard time against Fillipus Nghitumbwa, for sure in my opinion he is not quite ready against Naoya Inoue,

No one expect that Nghitumbwa is one tough opponent. Casimero did his best and even KD his opponent, it is that his opponent can receive his punches well. Not because the opponent is unknown it will be easier for the known one to beat him. Remember Manny Pacquiao is also unknown when he fight and beat Ledwaba. I think Casimero is lucky because he intimidated his opponent early in the match giving him the chance to dictate the match.

When it comes to fighting against Inoue, I think Casimero is ready to fight Inoue way back 2 years ago.

Yeah, right, Nghitumbwa was determined to win as well. That's the reason why even Casimero dominated him. He continues
to stand and push the fight into the decision result.

I saw the replay and you will see how solid those combinations are and how good those punches that landed to Nghitumbwa, but he absorbs it
and continue to fight until the end of the rounds.

Casimero always wanted to have that chance to fight Inoue. I'm also expecting that if given a chance, he's always ready to accept it.

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Quote from: jakelyson on May 22, 2023, 02:53:11 PM

Quote from: Kemarit on May 22, 2023, 05:46:00 AM

I don't think that Inoue is dodging Casimero, and if I'm not mistaken, they will should have set to collide for the unification fight it not for the weight issues Casimero had in the bantamweight division.

And now that both have move up in the same division again, maybe just a matter of time before they will have to fight.

However, it's not easy as it sounds, Casimero should go up and win at least a belt in this division before Inoue and him can face each other. Inoue is fighting for the belt next against Fulton so it's more on Inoue on control here.

I agree John Riel Casimero should at least get some decent fight before challenging Naoya Inoue, for sure Inoue will be at his highest peak here, while his opponent Fillipus Nghitumbwa I really think that John Riel Casimero got a hard time against Fillipus Nghitumbwa, for sure in my opinion he is not quite ready against Naoya Inoue,

No one expect that Nghitumbwa is one tough opponent. Casimero did his best and even KD his opponent, it is that his opponent can receive his punches well. Not because the opponent is unknown it will be easier for the known one to beat him. Remember Manny Pacquiao is also unknown when he fight and beat Ledwaba. I think Casimero is lucky because he intimidated his opponent early in the match giving him the chance to dictate the match.

When it comes to fighting against Inoue, I think Casimero is ready to fight Inoue way back 2 years ago.

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Quote from: cabron on May 21, 2023, 04:02:15 PM

Casimero is already 34, time is of the essence. He knows if not as early as possible, his age will not make him win a fight. Casimero will get worse every year that passes and eventually maybe after a few years, he himself will know whether he still can.

It's really bad not to see them step in the ring to fight against each other so that we know who is the real deal. But I guess, this is the thing we need to understand especially in the boxing industry because we all know who is avoiding here, and that's because they're just making things right for Inoue when he is dodging Casimero all these years. They cannot afford to take the high risk and they cannot gamble on Inoue's future because they're giving too much opportunity for Casimero just to get that fight to happen and when he luckily beat Inoue, he will surely take that credibility and merits and be the one who will become a star.

I don't think that Inoue is dodging Casimero, and if I'm not mistaken, they will should have set to collide for the unification fight it not for the weight issues Casimero had in the bantamweight division.

And now that both have move up in the same division again, maybe just a matter of time before they will have to fight.

However, it's not easy as it sounds, Casimero should go up and win at least a belt in this division before Inoue and him can face each other. Inoue is fighting for the belt next against Fulton so it's more on Inoue on control here.

Correct. There is no sense in looking at the past anymore and accusing someone about ducking someone because nobody have certainly prayed to have Covid-19 to wreck havoc into our world so that these two will not fight, so no, it's not like that.

Both John Riel Casimero and Naoya Inoue have agreed to face each other to a championship fight but few weeks after the announcement, an unfortunate thing happened where both camps agreed to reschedule the fight if Covid-19 will cease until they decided to cancel it because they don't know what will happen in the next few months.

and now that they are fighting on the same division, it is only a matter of time before they face each other. that is, if casimero will win more fights on this division and finally face inoue. also, if inoue will win on his upcoming fight. there's no coming back to where they were. so either casimero will take every fight seriously so as not to face any more issue like his weight issues or just pass the opportunity to fight inoue in this weight division.

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Quote from: Kemarit on May 22, 2023, 05:46:00 AM

I don't think that Inoue is dodging Casimero, and if I'm not mistaken, they will should have set to collide for the unification fight it not for the weight issues Casimero had in the bantamweight division.

And now that both have move up in the same division again, maybe just a matter of time before they will have to fight.

However, it's not easy as it sounds, Casimero should go up and win at least a belt in this division before Inoue and him can face each other. Inoue is fighting for the belt next against Fulton so it's more on Inoue on control here.

I agree John Riel Casimero should at least get some decent fight before challenging Naoya Inoue, for sure Inoue will be at his highest peak here, while his opponent Fillipus Nghitumbwa I really think that John Riel Casimero got a hard time against Fillipus Nghitumbwa, for sure in my opinion he is not quite ready against Naoya Inoue,

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Quote from: Kemarit on May 22, 2023, 05:46:00 AM

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Quote from: cabron on May 21, 2023, 04:02:15 PM

Casimero is already 34, time is of the essence. He knows if not as early as possible, his age will not make him win a fight. Casimero will get worse every year that passes and eventually maybe after a few years, he himself will know whether he still can.

It's really bad not to see them step in the ring to fight against each other so that we know who is the real deal. But I guess, this is the thing we need to understand especially in the boxing industry because we all know who is avoiding here, and that's because they're just making things right for Inoue when he is dodging Casimero all these years. They cannot afford to take the high risk and they cannot gamble on Inoue's future because they're giving too much opportunity for Casimero just to get that fight to happen and when he luckily beat Inoue, he will surely take that credibility and merits and be the one who will become a star.

I don't think that Inoue is dodging Casimero, and if I'm not mistaken, they will should have set to collide for the unification fight it not for the weight issues Casimero had in the bantamweight division.

And now that both have move up in the same division again, maybe just a matter of time before they will have to fight.

However, it's not easy as it sounds, Casimero should go up and win at least a belt in this division before Inoue and him can face each other. Inoue is fighting for the belt next against Fulton so it's more on Inoue on control here.

Correct. There is no sense in looking at the past anymore and accusing someone about ducking someone because nobody have certainly prayed to have Covid-19 to wreck havoc into our world so that these two will not fight, so no, it's not like that.

Both John Riel Casimero and Naoya Inoue have agreed to face each other to a championship fight but few weeks after the announcement, an unfortunate thing happened where both camps agreed to reschedule the fight if Covid-19 will cease until they decided to cancel it because they don't know what will happen in the next few months.

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Quote from: yazher on May 22, 2023, 12:54:45 AM

Quote from: cabron on May 21, 2023, 04:02:15 PM

Casimero is already 34, time is of the essence. He knows if not as early as possible, his age will not make him win a fight. Casimero will get worse every year that passes and eventually maybe after a few years, he himself will know whether he still can.

It's really bad not to see them step in the ring to fight against each other so that we know who is the real deal. But I guess, this is the thing we need to understand especially in the boxing industry because we all know who is avoiding here, and that's because they're just making things right for Inoue when he is dodging Casimero all these years. They cannot afford to take the high risk and they cannot gamble on Inoue's future because they're giving too much opportunity for Casimero just to get that fight to happen and when he luckily beat Inoue, he will surely take that credibility and merits and be the one who will become a star.

I don't think that Inoue is dodging Casimero, and if I'm not mistaken, they will should have set to collide for the unification fight it not for the weight issues Casimero had in the bantamweight division.

And now that both have move up in the same division again, maybe just a matter of time before they will have to fight.

However, it's not easy as it sounds, Casimero should go up and win at least a belt in this division before Inoue and him can face each other. Inoue is fighting for the belt next against Fulton so it's more on Inoue on control here.

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Quote from: cabron on May 21, 2023, 04:02:15 PM

Casimero is already 34, time is of the essence. He knows if not as early as possible, his age will not make him win a fight. Casimero will get worse every year that passes and eventually maybe after a few years, he himself will know whether he still can.

It's really bad not to see them step in the ring to fight against each other so that we know who is the real deal. But I guess, this is the thing we need to understand especially in the boxing industry because we all know who is avoiding here, and that's because they're just making things right for Inoue when he is dodging Casimero all these years. They cannot afford to take the high risk and they cannot gamble on Inoue's future because they're giving too much opportunity for Casimero just to get that fight to happen and when he luckily beat Inoue, he will surely take that credibility and merits and be the one who will become a star.

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Quote from: electronicash on May 05, 2023, 03:57:43 PM

their fight was announced longer than 3 months, both teams have time to prepare to achieve weight. if there is anyone to blame, it's Ryan who didn't follow the diet recommendations. the fight is over for weeks, their team still is still in denial.

In reality, this type of thing is painful for it to happen, it leaves the boxer in a very bad light, I don't know if it is the fault of his trainer,his little nutritionist, who failed here? If we see it from a more logical point of view, the first one who failed was him, then the entire work team, because it is not possible for this type of thing to happen and yes,it is the global make me laugh, because a boxer cannot even allowing themselves to go through Moments like this, that Makes it clear that the lack of responsibility they had is immense and that there are things that cannot be let go.

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Quote from: Oasisman on May 20, 2023, 09:09:42 AM

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Casimero is a WBO Global super bantamweight title holder now, I think he can force a mandatory fight with Inoue when Inoue successfully defeats Fulton. I'm not so sure about this but its possible. If no one else is just willing to fight Inoue why not Casimero.

Let's put it that way, he can force a mandatory fight against Inoue, but It would be much wiser for Casimero's camp to take a gradual steps before going against Inoue. I've seen a few downsides on Casimero's most recent fight. He looks looks exhausted somewhere in the middle of the 12 round scheduled fight. He clearly lacks stamina and proper conditioning. That alone is a huge disadvantage against Inoue.
I'd rather say that Casimero will need to work his up again slowly but surely until he pick up the right pace to go against Inoue. It's always better to be ready than being hyped up but thinking you're ready but physically and mentally you're not.

Casimero is already 34, time is of the essence. He knows if not as early as possible, his age will not make him win a fight. Casimero will get worse every year that passes and eventually maybe after a few years, he himself will know whether he still can.

Though they do have an unfulfilled business. There is no news about their camps taking steps for the fight to happen too so there is nothing to expect. All they can do is tweet to each other.

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A while ago you had a sensation at the fighting matches, the male/Hulk from Iran was going to fight a match against Martyn Ford, which eventually did not take place because it turned out that his photos were the result of a good Photoshopper. You should be able to do that too. Sooner or later it will come out that you are just a fake. He then did another boxing match against an amateur boxer, but lost without a chance. I think the Iranian hulk could never have survived the fight against Ford. Anyone have any idea what's going on with this guy? Still no career as a fighter?

Haha, that turned out to be a big sensation at the time. I remember that fight was supposed to take place in London at the end of April. Good thing it didn't happen. I think he also dreaded fighting Ford on the plane. He probably only knew him from the movies. Speaking of Ford, does he seriously want to pursue a fighting career? Doesn't seem like a smart choice to me to be honest. I think he can stick to acting better. Well, I also have less insight into it of course.

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A while ago you had a sensation at the fighting matches, the male/Hulk from Iran was going to fight a match against Martyn Ford, which eventually did not take place because it turned out that his photos were the result of a good Photoshopper. You should be able to do that too. Sooner or later it will come out that you are just a fake. He then did another boxing match against an amateur boxer, but lost without a chance. I think the Iranian hulk could never have survived the fight against Ford. Anyone have any idea what's going on with this guy? Still no career as a fighter?

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Devin Haney won by unanimous decision but the fans seem to disagree with the judge's call. I do agree with the fans.
Lomachenko played like a challenger, aggressive and trying to beat down Haney which gives a plus for him. Haney on the other hand played it safe by attacking mostly at the body of Loma and even though he hit him on that part for a massive amount, it didn't work pretty well because Loma is still fast and his stamina is not breaking down.

It was a controversial decision by the judges and i think it is a robbery. I watched the fight and i thought Vasiliy Lomachenko won majority of the rounds even though there were some close rounds especially 4th, 5th and 6th round but i cannot understand which fight the judges saw to score Haney 116 to 112. Either they do not have any idea on how to score a bout as all the judges scored along those lines.

The majorities of the fans who watch the fight didn't expect this decision, I guess fans is not blind and they are well-aware if how points should be added and with what we witness is more on Loma and it's much safe to give a tied fight instead of giving the win to Haney as like what we are hearing and seeing right now from different channels of social medias fans are calling this a robbery for Loma.

Most of them believes that Loma deserves the win and not Haney, very controversial and for sure it will not end that fast, there are
more upcoming nosies especially from those fans who know how this sports works.

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Quote from: BitcoinPanther on May 19, 2023, 03:49:01 PM

Quote from: cabron on May 19, 2023, 01:15:35 PM

Casimero is a WBO Global super bantamweight title holder now, I think he can force a mandatory fight with Inoue when Inoue successfully defeats Fulton. I'm not so sure about this but its possible. If no one else is just willing to fight Inoue why not Casimero.

It is possible but I think the no.1 contender has more chance for the mandatory title defense unless the boxing council will give authority for the champion to pick his opponent.

If Fulton retains his belt and defeat his challenger, Naoya Inoue, the number one contender will have his chance. But if I recall it correctly, regardless of the outcome, this may be Fulton's last bout, so we might have a different scenario by that time. But if Inoue will upset the current champion, he may have the power to pick his opponent because I don't think that WBO and WBC will offer a mandatory fight immediately.

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To Inoue however Casimero is a nobody. I guess its one reason he wouldn't respond to a call after all they couldn't just decide on their own.

As far as I know in their bantamweight day, they had an unfulfilled schedule fight. It was canceled due to pandemic and was never been rescheduled again. I also don't think that Inoue looks at Casimer as nobody because Casimero had proven himself by holding the WBO belt before it was stripped from him. The belt was stripped not won by Butler against him. It (belt strip) maybe cost by carelessness of Casimero but we cannot deny the fact that Casimero was a WBO bantamweight champion while Inoue is holding the other belt.

Yes, they almost shared the same ring and if it wasn't because of the pandemic, we might have already know who was the winner by now because the Covid-19 gave a reason to cancel the fight. And certainly, Inoue is not underestimating Casimero because that's a trait that Inoue don't have, it's just that they are in the wrong place, wrong time. Nothing else.

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Quote from: danherbias07 on May 21, 2023, 06:54:46 AM

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Devin Haney won by unanimous decision but the fans seem to disagree with the judge's call. I do agree with the fans.
Lomachenko played like a challenger, aggressive and trying to beat down Haney which gives a plus for him. Haney on the other hand played it safe by attacking mostly at the body of Loma and even though he hit him on that part for a massive amount, it didn't work pretty well because Loma is still fast and his stamina is not breaking down.

It was a controversial decision by the judges and i think it is a robbery. I watched the fight and i thought Vasiliy Lomachenko won majority of the rounds even though there were some close rounds especially 4th, 5th and 6th round but i cannot understand which fight the judges saw to score Haney 116 to 112. Either they do not have any idea on how to score a bout as all the judges scored along those lines.

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Quote from: inthelongrun on May 20, 2023, 03:30:48 PM

I'm annoyed at Haney for pushing Loma during the weigh in. Is he trying to become the next Mayweather? Do the villain thing by trash talking his opponents and then try to do something during face offs?

There's a big difference though between him and Mayweather. Mayweather was a KO artist before he became a defensive specialist when he kept moving up in weight and has brittled hands. That shove was probably the nearest thing Haney can do to try to put Loma down. I expect him to run, jab and hug later. Betting odds should have a 15 over or under on thr number of hugs Haney will do on Loma. I hope Loma can bring back his prime years later and teach Haney a lesson.

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I lost my bet and didn't see any knockdown that happened. Both boxers are playing like it's a chess match using their own unique styles to gain more points. More like a mental fight where speed and a little bit of power are used, I guess that's how the lightweight is even before. Lomachenko had a chance in the 10th round to knock Haney down but he survived by means of clinching and gained his footing back.

Devin Haney won by unanimous decision but the fans seem to disagree with the judge's call. I do agree with the fans.
Lomachenko played like a challenger, aggressive and trying to beat down Haney which gives a plus for him. Haney on the other hand played it safe by attacking mostly at the body of Loma and even though he hit him on that part for a massive amount, it didn't work pretty well because Loma is still fast and his stamina is not breaking down.

Loma showed he cannot be underestimated at his age. He sure does have the skills and the footwork is amazing.

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Quote from: cryptomaniac_xxx on May 21, 2023, 06:34:47 AM

We talked about the main event, but on the undercard, Andrew Moloney was brutally knockout by Junto Nakatani in the 12 round. So unfortunately, there will be no twin celebration as his twin Jason Moloney beat Astrolabio for the vacant IBF bantamweight belt.

Perhaps it was a payback? for me Astrolabio should have won that fight against Jason Moloney, now his brother was knockout in the last round, how ironic.

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Also Oscar Valdez make his comeback fight, as he dominates Adam Lopez For a unanimous decision win.

Good to see Valdez back in the mix, it took some time for him to recover from that lost to Shakur but his confidence is now back with that great win against Lopez. There's too much respect two between this two.

Quote from: cryptomaniac_xxx on May 21, 2023, 06:34:47 AM

And we all know what happen to the main event, as majority in my opinion saw that Loma could have won the fight against Devin Haney.

Yes, I do agree, Loma should have won that fight and now the undisputed champion. But judges clearly watching another fight.

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We talked about the main event, but on the undercard, Andrew Moloney was brutally knockout by Junto Nakatani in the 12 round. So unfortunately, there will be no twin celebration as his twin Jason Moloney beat Astrolabio for the vacant IBF bantamweight belt.

Also Oscar Valdez make his comeback fight, as he dominates Adam Lopez For a unanimous decision win.

And we all know what happen to the main event, as majority in my opinion saw that Loma could have won the fight against Devin Haney.

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