Topic: Boxing Speculation, Odds and Predictions - page 116. (Read 32168 times)

Everyone in the camp made a mistake by accepting that fight and that is a fact, even Ryan Garcia himself have his own share of mistake because he's the one who is fighting and not the people around him. He should be wiser to know which is better for him and not take the bait just because the hype is already strong enough, and Oscar Dela Hoya, he surely know more than anyone around their camp that it's not good for Ryan to accept that rehydration clause, but they accepted it anyway.

Now everyone inside the camp is blaming everybody and it is hot mess, and personally, I don't really think that Goosen was fired, he was the one who left and not the other way around.

That's a tough one to do after everything what happened, and if Ryan Garcia will do that, he will be laughing stock for running back at them.

I reckon Joe Goosen was not a very good trainer and not a very good advicer for the young fighter that he was supposed to mentor. I am quite certain that it is Ryan Garcia and his management team that decide if they accept a fight or not, however, the trainer should also be part of decision making or he leaves the team. Ryan should have been advised not to accept the 10 pound rehydration clause fight day weight check. This very much weakened Ryan and we did not see the real boxer go in the ring.

In any case, Ryan should go to Fredde Roach or go back to Eddie Reynoso or ask advice from Reynoso on who might be the best person to train him.

Ryan Garcia is just 24 years old he surely has a lot of ways to correct himself and decision-making is one of them, I think this fight with Gervonta Davis will sink well in him, and become a lesson because we all know the reality of boxing some boxers when they experience a lost they sometimes become worst, but if Ryan Garcia is really changing things up, Derrick James could be the trainer that might help but I really don't see a bad thing about it actually it is a good thing that Ryan Garcia has come up with his own decision and still wants to continue,


Well, sometimes Social media is really a bad influence for some and because of that hype some think that they can do so much because they have seen it online, I guess right now because of his losses maybe he will not spend his entire time with Social media anymore, but yeah Ryan Garcia is a talented kid, and for me, it is only the beginning there are some boxers with the age of Ryan Garcia is just starting his career but for Ryan to be well-known now and has 24 fights in his record, it is not a small walk in the park,


Good one! 1st because of Canelo Alvarez but likely this is a picked fight for Alvarez I am not surprised Canelo Alvarez needs all the confidence and this fight could bring his confidence back or worst it couldn't do much for him if the bout would just last 1 round then it is not a good fight at all,

Here we go! Two more days and we will see Canelo Alvarez fight again after almost a year. His last fight was against Gennadiy Golovkin where he won with unanimous decision. I'd like to see a KO/TKO again.

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May 6, 2023, in Akron Stadium in Guadalajara, Mexico.
7 PM Easter Time - Main Event might happen at 11 PM ET.

Here is the fight card.
Saul "Canelo" Alvarez versus John Ryder - WBO, WBA (Super), WBC, and IBF super middleweight titles - It's like hitting the jackpot if Ryder wins here.
Julio Cesar Martinez versus Ronal Batista - WBC flyweight title
Gabriel Gollaz Valenzuela versus Steve Spark - WBA Intercontinental super lightweight title

Here are the odds for the fights.
Saul "Canelo" Alvarez - Win @1.05 | By KO @1.32 | By Decision @3.70
John Ryder - Win @9.00 | By KO @19.00 (oohh lala) | By Decision @23.00

Julio Cesar Martinez - Win @1.06
Ronal Batista - Win @8.60

Gabriel Gollaz Valenzuela - Win @1.62
Steve Spark - Win - @2.26

Place your bets.

Hopefully that is really the case for Ryan Garcia that his loss will make him stronger and wiser, but part of me is telling that Ryan Garcia might not take the situation that he have now positively because Goosen and Golden Boy left him unsupported in the middle of a situation where they needed them the most. Certainly, that will have a scar on Ryan Garcia and who knows what will happen next.


Even if that were true, I doubt that Ryan Garcia will stay longer with this Derrick James because he was already in the same situation before where he was trained by Eddy Reynoso. But he left Reynoso because Ryan Garcia didn't feel accommodated because Reynoso prioritizes Canelo Alvarez more, so that might happen again this time because I don't think that this Derrick James will make him a priority especially if Spence, Anthony Joshua, or Charlo got their own fights to prepare.

Oh, so he got a new trainer now, he should be getting Calvin Ford, the trainer of Tank Davis, 

Good for him though, I mean we will see if it is the trainer or the boxer himself. Again, we can go back to the case of Anthony Joshua changing trainer and yet he was not able to bet Usyk in 2 fights.

So let's see and wait for Ryan's next fight, I reckon that he might take a break for this year or maybe fight later around December. Just taking it slow after his big lost to Tank.

taking his training as more serious than how he take it before, I can agree with your statement that he still have that chance if he will be more prepared and impress the fans again when he step inside the ring, one loss is not the conclusions of his career he still young and with how social media hypes his name for sure there are still fans who will love to see him inside the ring.

Garcia's commitment to his own improvement will begin with how he will follow his new trainer and how he will make that
extra efforts to reach his maximum capabilities.

After his loss against Davis, he is still talented and has lots of room for improvement. with a good trainer such as Derrick, he will probably take many chances when he finally gets back in the ring. just because he lost one time, doesn't mean he won't gonna have the chance to bounce back and regain back his honor. he just needs to be well prepared in his next fight and he also needs to win it via a convincing way of defeating his opponent preferably by knockout. Maybe next time he won't be putting too much opening in his body because that's what he is lacking back then, he can't defend it from faster boxers.

Hard times create strong men.

Garcia will realized if he was make a wrong decision for sacking Joe Goossen because it's not new when a young person is making mistake due to his childish or selfish behavior.

There's a rumor if the new Garcia's trainer is Derrick James, James is a good trainer because he's train Errol Spence, Anthony Joshua and Jermell Charlo until now. If it's come true, Garcia can't playing anymore because James has a good reputation in boxing career.

Yes, thank you for your observation, at least we both agree that Goosen giving Ryan best advise in the fight. It also reminds me of Manny Pacquiao vs Ricky Hatton. Ricky was trained by the fabled Floyd Mayweather Sr, and he was given instructions after the first 1st round knockout of Ricky Hatton. And yet he didn't follow anything, instead he goes on the style that he wanted and we all know what happen after that, he goes down cold in the canvass and after that it was over for Hatton mentally. And Sr as well disappeared after that fight.

Hopefully, it won't be the case for Ryan as he is still young and can make a comeback. As you have said, someone close to him should give this young kid and be successful in the future.

The Sportsbook could have a great source to dig something this deep but maybe it is another April's fool, but as I go into the web I spotted this article

https://www.badlefthook.com/2023/4/29/23704925/errol-spence-vs-terence-crawford-deal-reportedly-near-done-july-22-target-date-boxing-news-2023

So maybe the news is true that the fight talk is already done and we got to see this fight happening this year and it is on July 22, so the sportsbook source was really deep in this information, so that was that I think it is true after all,


They can surely provide even tampered proof just to show it to the public, but anyway, Ryan Garcia really wants to move on, and moving forward I think he needs a new start and a new trainer is likely on his mind Joe Goosen thought that Ryan Garcia will still extend their partnership however I think it is all over for now and maybe Ryan wants to just move on, well and this is imminent on the ring Ryan Garcia doesn't want to stick to the corners instruction anymore because he knows nothing is working for him, this is what I think he is thinking,

Manny Pacquiao has another L in his record here as he losses the breach of contract filed by Paradigm against him in court.


https://www.ringtv.com/652572-manny-pacquiao-loses-breach-of-contract-suit-ordered-to-pay-paradigm-5-1-million-in-damages/

Yeah, remember this one, I don't know, Pacquiao has history of making bad decisions or perhaps the people behind him, his advisers. The many might not be big for Manny, but sure does will hurt him. And perhaps that's one reason why we are still seeing him for exhibition fights against the Korean last year. He need to have this kind of money just to cover up his losses here and his lifestyle. He lost the Presidential election which I think cost him big money too.

That adds more disappointment to the fans who were expecting the fight to happen. From the looks of it, I think this rivalry will remain a dream, as it will not happen now or in the future. Both fighters are taking their business on different paths and would only choose to fight a boxer where they see they have a great advantage, for one main reason: to preserve their undefeated record.

Yes, it is still listed, I guess nothing for now, even if it is listed by crypto based bookies, they can just removed it if the plan doesn't go that way. Just like in the Thurman vs Spence, it was listed as well last April until the date and then removed later because obviously, it didn't happen. For Ryan and tainer Joe Goosen separation, maybe it's just a validation of Ryan's history with Eddy Reynoso as well. He just trying to cover up everything and says that Reynoso doesn't have the full time on him. But in this case, with the experience of Goosen, he might have devout his full time training Ryan alone but they didn't in. But it could be Ryan blames Goosen but in fact he should be the one to blame as he quit on the fight.

Maybe, but we all know that Ryan has a history of mental breakdown, and this first lost might put a lot of stress on his mind again. So let's see if he can cope with it and become great or just simply folding with the pressures on the first lost he suffers.

So it's not just about the trainer, it's the mentality of the boxer itself. When AJ take Robert Garcia as a trainer against Usyk, we can hear him really talking to AJ in the corner and inspire and motivate him to fight and be great. But at the end of the day, this trainer/coach can only do things within the boundaries of the physical body of a boxer, if his mind is not responding, then gonna be hard for them to overcome that kind of obstacles.

The question is, is the death threat real or not? If it is real then maybe Ryan could understand it.

But for the Goosen issue, I think it's obvious by now, he lost the fight and maybe Ryan thinks that Goosen didn't do a great job for him. Just like when Anthony Joshua lost the first time against Ruiz, he chance trainer as well, but he was a complete different fighter. It's good that they are still in a better relationship with Goosen despite them parting ways. But it is good for Ryan after losing the fight to Tank to look for another trainer?

Everyone who watched Tank vs. King Ry were waiting for the announcement for Errol Spence vs. Terence Crawford but there was nothing and some of us were joking that  it was an extended April Fools joke hehehehe. However, go to your sportsbook and check the odds in boxing for June 17. Spence vs. Crawford is listed! What does this imply?

I agree with all what you have mentioned, I think there's still mental issue with this kid the way he take his fame and the way he speaks out something that will bring his career down, hopefully his camp will manage again a good cherry pick to bring his career back else, if he suffer for another defeat everything will fall and it will create more damage to his mental health.

He needs to work more with his attitude and not just with the skills, he can improve more for sure as he still young but better to admit first that he also made a mistake and take it as good motivation to regain everything back and earn a title/belt.

So, it's not just coaches and trainers who can verify the slacking of Ryan Garcia, even boxers like Canelo did know about his fewer training sessions. I am intrigued. How could he be good at trash-talking on social media when he doesn't have anything to back it up? This is not how champions behave, they always have something to prove so they work hard for it. I doubt he will win a belt if he keeps this kind of attitude.
He is young, and someone should guide him, especially on discipline. He makes a lot of money now but that doesn't mean it will not be drained. He must understand that he should take advantage of his young career. Soon, he will depreciate and I doubt he will find a boxer who will fight him when he doesn't have any value anymore. With how he comes back after this will be the crucial moment of his career. We have seen a lot of boxers who lost their way, I hope he will not be part of that.

I watch the replay of the fight, and I think that Joe Goosen is giving Ryan Garcia good instructions in the corner. It's that the Ryan chooses not to follow it specially after the knockdown on 2nd round. So this is a bad sign, boxers not following their trainer and decided for themselves.

And if I'm not mistaken, this was Canelo criticism of Ryan, that he doesn't have that mentality and doesn't want to train that hard and most of the time, he is slacking in the gym. So I guess we have the evidence now as this is the 2nd time that Ryan is moving out from a good trainer.


We will see, Oscar has a big problem in his hands right now. He needs to bring Ryan to his full potential. So if the mental health issues comes back to haunt Garcia, then it will take some time again before we can see him fight.