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Quote from: Baofeng on March 06, 2023, 12:57:14 PM

Quote from: YuginKadoya on March 05, 2023, 06:55:03 PM

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We have 1 I believed and that is Melvin Jerusalem who won against the Masataka Taniguchi in Japan last January for the Minimumweight/Mini-Flyweight 105 lbs. And it was thought to be a good start for the Filipinos, unfortunately Mark lost again for the interim belt against Brandon Figueroa. But hopefully we can add another one or even two if Vincent Astrolabio or Nonito Donaire can with their respective championship match in the bantamweight division. We just had a drought actually, but for sure we will come back strong and bounce before the end of the year.

As for the lost of Jared Hurd against hard hitting Armando Reséndiz, I think it's enough for him though, long layoff, ring rust could attributed to his lost. But I think he doesn't have that that "thing" anymore to fight. Or if there is anything on that fight, Hurd seems to be out of his prime, poor defense, trying to do the shoulder roll which is not effective for him because he doesn't have the reflex anymore so it's hard to pull that style to a more quicker Reséndiz. One thing against Reséndiz in my opinion is that he is too small for 160 lbs.

Oh yes, I forgot that Melvin Jerusalem got the WBO mini-flyweight title and it was on January 6, I guess I don't remember because it was just a mini-flyweight title for the WBO but still a belt is still a belt that he brought for the country, while Mark Magsayo lost again and just like I thought his opponent Brandon Figueroa was really good and because of that added height and reach advantage Mark Magsayo is having a hard time, and yes waiting for the Vincent Astrolabio or Nonito Donaire fight that would be a good one to have,

Well, this is a sign for I think it was Jarrett Hurd, he needs to quit boxing but because he still wants a good last record in his career that is why he keeps on fighting, and every boxer wants a good record in their legacy, he got a smooth sailing 23 winning streak and then would lose to Julian Williams well Armando Reséndiz just created angles to make an opening to Jarrett Hurd's face,

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Quote from: Fredomago on March 06, 2023, 03:25:09 PM

Quote from: chaser15 on March 06, 2023, 01:54:47 PM

Unfortunately, there's no definite time for how long PH will wait for another Pacman 2.0 wannabee that can be close to having the same achievement.

To be honest, even Casimero is still far from achieving another belt I still hoping that he will come back on that position, giving that opportunity I'm pretty sure that Casimero will not waste anything and he will prove that he's name should be on top the way it was when he still in his last division.

A Pacman 2.0? seems that with the current competitions, it's tough to earn that respect the way Pacquiao has when he's still actively fighting.

Not closing the door, but the chance for any Pinoy champ to achieve that is really slim.

Pacquiao is unique as it's rare to see a PH boxer dominating the Welterweight Division and able to keep up in the Light Welterweight. It's not about PH boxers who should experience the same as Pacquiao did but maybe the point here is, a consistent champion that truly can dominate a certain division.

One of the best examples of that is, Gabriel "Flash" Elorde who dominates the Featherweight Division for 7 years and 2 months with 10 successful title defenses. Another one is, Nonito Donaire Jr. who becomes a world champion across three consecutive decades: the 2000s, 2010s, and 2020s, and is the oldest world title holder at the age of 39 when he beat Nordine Ouballi.

Mark Magsayo, as he was being discussed above, should take this losing experience to come back stronger next time. Pacquiao also loses on his career but was always able to come back stronger because of his serious approach to winning the next time he enters the ring.

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Quote from: chaser15 on March 06, 2023, 01:54:47 PM

Quote from: Baofeng on March 06, 2023, 12:57:14 PM

But hopefully we can add another one or even two if Vincent Astrolabio or Nonito Donaire can with their respective championship match in the bantamweight division. We just had a drought actually, but for sure we will come back strong and bounce before the end of the year.

If I'm not mistaken, it's only Vincent Astrolabio right now who's currently in their prime as a PH boxer that is close to having a shot at the world title right now with his upcoming fight against Emmanuel Rodriguez. Reymart Gaballo is another one that has the chance for a title match as long as he continues winning his next fights, probably against Nawaphon Kaikanha.

Nonito Donaire might also become a champion again but since he's already on the verge of retirement, expect that he won't hold the title for long. John Riel Casimero on the other hand is still looking for good fights as he's working his way up to the top rankings.

Unfortunately, there's no definite time for how long PH will wait for another Pacman 2.0 wannabee that can be close to having the same achievement.

Boxer like Manny Pacquiao is really rare, probably they appear once in every century. Aside from that, I think the promoter also has something to do with Manny Pacquiao's greatness. Since they are the one organizing the fight.

Quote from: Fredomago on March 06, 2023, 03:25:09 PM

Quote from: chaser15 on March 06, 2023, 01:54:47 PM

Unfortunately, there's no definite time for how long PH will wait for another Pacman 2.0 wannabee that can be close to having the same achievement.

To be honest, even Casimero is still far from achieving another belt I still hoping that he will come back on that position, giving that opportunity I'm pretty sure that Casimero will not waste anything and he will prove that he's name should be on top the way it was when he still in his last division.

A Pacman 2.0? seems that with the current competitions, it's tough to earn that respect the way Pacquiao has when he's still actively fighting.

Not closing the door, but the chance for any Pinoy champ to achieve that is really slim.

I agree that Casimero can't be compare to Manny Pacquiao, and also, he is far from having a title fight in his division since he just fought once. It is just sad to think that Casimero is also nearing his decline. Just two or three years, Casimero won't be on his prime anymore.

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Quote from: Fredomago on March 06, 2023, 03:25:09 PM

Quote from: chaser15 on March 06, 2023, 01:54:47 PM

Unfortunately, there's no definite time for how long PH will wait for another Pacman 2.0 wannabee that can be close to having the same achievement.

To be honest, even Casimero is still far from achieving another belt I still hoping that he will come back on that position, giving that opportunity I'm pretty sure that Casimero will not waste anything and he will prove that he's name should be on top the way it was when he still in his last division.

A Pacman 2.0? seems that with the current competitions, it's tough to earn that respect the way Pacquiao has when he's still actively fighting.

Not closing the door, but the chance for any Pinoy champ to achieve that is really slim.

i guess the difference why the current filipino boxers can't attain what pacquiao achieved is the discipline. he was really determined to win every fight so the training he was subjected to was really intense and serious. whereas, these young boxers always have other issues like not achieving the required weight or not fully prepared. just look at casimero, how many times he had the weight problem? so am saying up until these boxers get serious about this sports, and don't let any detail derail them from fighting, they won't achieve even half of what pacquiao achieved on this sports. just sayin'

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Quote from: chaser15 on March 06, 2023, 01:54:47 PM

Unfortunately, there's no definite time for how long PH will wait for another Pacman 2.0 wannabee that can be close to having the same achievement.

To be honest, even Casimero is still far from achieving another belt I still hoping that he will come back on that position, giving that opportunity I'm pretty sure that Casimero will not waste anything and he will prove that he's name should be on top the way it was when he still in his last division.

A Pacman 2.0? seems that with the current competitions, it's tough to earn that respect the way Pacquiao has when he's still actively fighting.

Not closing the door, but the chance for any Pinoy champ to achieve that is really slim.

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Quote from: Baofeng on March 06, 2023, 12:57:14 PM

But hopefully we can add another one or even two if Vincent Astrolabio or Nonito Donaire can with their respective championship match in the bantamweight division. We just had a drought actually, but for sure we will come back strong and bounce before the end of the year.

If I'm not mistaken, it's only Vincent Astrolabio right now who's currently in their prime as a PH boxer that is close to having a shot at the world title right now with his upcoming fight against Emmanuel Rodriguez. Reymart Gaballo is another one that has the chance for a title match as long as he continues winning his next fights, probably against Nawaphon Kaikanha.

Nonito Donaire might also become a champion again but since he's already on the verge of retirement, expect that he won't hold the title for long. John Riel Casimero on the other hand is still looking for good fights as he's working his way up to the top rankings.

Unfortunately, there's no definite time for how long PH will wait for another Pacman 2.0 wannabee that can be close to having the same achievement.

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Quote from: YuginKadoya on March 05, 2023, 06:55:03 PM

Mark Magsayo lost again in a crucial fight for a belt, it is true no Filipino boxer right now doesn't have a belt, and it is really frustrating but at the same time feel's OK about it at the same time, but Here are the result of my picks

We have 1 I believed and that is Melvin Jerusalem who won against the Masataka Taniguchi in Japan last January for the Minimumweight/Mini-Flyweight 105 lbs. And it was thought to be a good start for the Filipinos, unfortunately Mark lost again for the interim belt against Brandon Figueroa. But hopefully we can add another one or even two if Vincent Astrolabio or Nonito Donaire can with their respective championship match in the bantamweight division. We just had a drought actually, but for sure we will come back strong and bounce before the end of the year.

As for the lost of Jared Hurd against hard hitting Armando Reséndiz, I think it's enough for him though, long layoff, ring rust could attributed to his lost. But I think he doesn't have that that "thing" anymore to fight. Or if there is anything on that fight, Hurd seems to be out of his prime, poor defense, trying to do the shoulder roll which is not effective for him because he doesn't have the reflex anymore so it's hard to pull that style to a more quicker Reséndiz. One thing against Reséndiz in my opinion is that he is too small for 160 lbs.

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Mark Magsayo lost again in a crucial fight for a belt, it is true no Filipino boxer right now doesn't have a belt, and it is really frustrating but at the same time feel's OK about it at the same time, but Here are the result of my picks

Brandon Figueroa VS Mark Magsayo - LOST

Jarrett Hurd VS Armando Resendiz - LOST

Amilcar Vidal VS Elijah Garcia - WIN

Terrell Gausha VS Brandyn Lynch - WIN

Enriko Gogokhia VS Samuel Teah - LOST

Justin DeLoach VS Travon Marshall - WIN

Daniel Blancas VS Kynndale Prather - WIN

Anthony Cuba VS Darel Harris - WIN

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Quote from: AverageGlabella on March 05, 2023, 02:44:38 PM

Quote from: Natalim on March 05, 2023, 02:02:29 PM

For now, that's not going to happen because both mentioned boxers are campaigning for a different belt, WBO for Moloney and WBC for Donaire but yes, maybe in the future, fate will make these two boxers collide with each other so that we can see who's who and which is which. But it's worth to note that Moloney declined the WBC's offer because he is facing Donaire, so that already means something and maybe he will duck again sometime soon until Donaire will retire.

Donaire will ask for 60% of the purse and the fight will stall. He is using his position to demand more money but I think it is because he is scared of losing and does not want that on his record close to his retirement and if he takes the fight he will want a lot of money for the risk. He could just schedule 2/3 lower profile fights and end his career and I think that will happen because there is no way his opponents will accept 30-40% of the purse to fight him.

He'll choose to what he thinks is right and fit as Donaire is close to retirement or it's like the last call and whatever the results will be, he's out but will be taking out all of the money that he's asked for the split share.
There's some pride on his name and that's why he'll choose those that has got name already but I do agree that if he really wants to fight, he can choose those low profile fighters.
But then, I guess there's this pride involve on him and that's why before he closes his doors to the sport that he loved and chose as his path, he want to make it remarkable.

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Quote from: AverageGlabella on March 05, 2023, 02:44:38 PM

Donaire will ask for 60% of the purse and the fight will stall. He is using his position to demand more money but I think it is because he is scared of losing and does not want that on his record close to his retirement and if he takes the fight he will want a lot of money for the risk. He could just schedule 2/3 lower profile fights and end his career and I think that will happen because there is no way his opponents will accept 30-40% of the purse to fight him.

Hmm, Donaire scared of losing at this point in his career? I really doubt that.

If he does, then we shouldn't see him having a rematch with Naoya Inoue where he already knows how dominant the monster is during their first meetup even suffering a fatal blow from him but still ended with Inoue winning a "unanimous decision".

Using his position to demand more money? The WBC assigned his next scheduled fight for the vacant WBC Bantamweight title which does make sense because he's the current Rank 1 on WBC's bantamweight rankings and regardless of the split, it will be pushed through.

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Quote from: Fredomago on March 05, 2023, 01:08:31 PM

Quote from: btc_angela on March 04, 2023, 08:19:51 PM

^ Yes, it's going to be difficult to see another clash of Filipinos, but if Donaire has to do it again, knocking this kid out, then he has to do it.

And there is another one right, Vincent Astrolabio, who seems to be a journeyman but now he is rated in 3/4 bodies and will go and fight for the belt as well. So a lot of Filipinos in this division as it is very suited for their height and weight. Would be interesting if we have 2 out of 4 Filipinos holding the belt, not sure if this has happen before.

Not sure as well, but if remember it right Donaire and Casimero holds same weight right? I mean the time when Casimero still the champ he was with Inoue, Donaire and him, I remember way back that he's challenging Inoue but the monster choose to have a rematch with Donaire and Butler was the one who schedule for Casimero but due to failure to meet the required weight he has been stripped.

Not sure if that's relevant, but anyway, I also wanted to see more Pinoys to hold the belt and be that title holder from this division.

Yes, and Casimero even trash talks Donaire and they almost made it to a fight until it was scrap and then both became friendly.

It's fitting for Pinoy in this weight classes or even the lower division. But it seems that we have lost a some champions already, Magsayo failed in his attempt for a interim belt. Anyhow, at least in this weight class we have two Pinoy vying for a belt so that is good enough for us, and hopefully even 1 win will be huge pride for the country again.

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Quote from: Natalim on March 05, 2023, 02:02:29 PM

For now, that's not going to happen because both mentioned boxers are campaigning for a different belt, WBO for Moloney and WBC for Donaire but yes, maybe in the future, fate will make these two boxers collide with each other so that we can see who's who and which is which. But it's worth to note that Moloney declined the WBC's offer because he is facing Donaire, so that already means something and maybe he will duck again sometime soon until Donaire will retire.

Donaire will ask for 60% of the purse and the fight will stall. He is using his position to demand more money but I think it is because he is scared of losing and does not want that on his record close to his retirement and if he takes the fight he will want a lot of money for the risk. He could just schedule 2/3 lower profile fights and end his career and I think that will happen because there is no way his opponents will accept 30-40% of the purse to fight him.

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Quote from: Baofeng on March 03, 2023, 07:21:59 PM

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Yes it was clearly a duck to me as well, how him and Top Rank try to avoid Donaire at all cost and just hiding on their own reasons like doesn't want to work with Probellum, Donaire's promotion but in the past did they that.

After all, Nonito Donaire is still considered a threat in the Bantamweight even after being beaten by Naoya Inoue as the Japanese are really on the highest level at 118 lbs and no one can beat this guy. Top Rank once again spoiled another big fight in the Bantamweight as they clearly ducked their boxer, Jason Moloney to fight the old Donaire who still has the speed and strength.

I hope that Donaire will win the fight and claim the WBC title in order for the boxing council to somehow mandate title defense against top-ranked boxer in their list and that includes Jason Moloney. Top Rank will surely be forced to accept the deal. But the longer they are doing delays, the older Donaire is getting to.

Not sure though mate that is going to happen, Jason Moloney now targets the WBO belt and he has been dropped by the WBC in their rankings (maybe this is because he refused to fight Donaire).

But who knows, maybe if Donaire get the majority of the belts and then only the WBO belt is missing, then maybe a unification fight is inevitable. So let's see, Donaire has a few more fights in him, at least if he wins he should aim for another belt in this division.

For now, that's not going to happen because both mentioned boxers are campaigning for a different belt, WBO for Moloney and WBC for Donaire but yes, maybe in the future, fate will make these two boxers collide with each other so that we can see who's who and which is which. But it's worth to note that Moloney declined the WBC's offer because he is facing Donaire, so that already means something and maybe he will duck again sometime soon until Donaire will retire.

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Quote from: btc_angela on March 04, 2023, 08:19:51 PM

^ Yes, it's going to be difficult to see another clash of Filipinos, but if Donaire has to do it again, knocking this kid out, then he has to do it.

And there is another one right, Vincent Astrolabio, who seems to be a journeyman but now he is rated in 3/4 bodies and will go and fight for the belt as well. So a lot of Filipinos in this division as it is very suited for their height and weight. Would be interesting if we have 2 out of 4 Filipinos holding the belt, not sure if this has happen before.

Not sure as well, but if remember it right Donaire and Casimero holds same weight right? I mean the time when Casimero still the champ he was with Inoue, Donaire and him, I remember way back that he's challenging Inoue but the monster choose to have a rematch with Donaire and Butler was the one who schedule for Casimero but due to failure to meet the required weight he has been stripped.

Not sure if that's relevant, but anyway, I also wanted to see more Pinoys to hold the belt and be that title holder from this division.

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^ Yes, it's going to be difficult to see another clash of Filipinos, but if Donaire has to do it again, knocking this kid out, then he has to do it.

And there is another one right, Vincent Astrolabio, who seems to be a journeyman but now he is rated in 3/4 bodies and will go and fight for the belt as well. So a lot of Filipinos in this division as it is very suited for their height and weight. Would be interesting if we have 2 out of 4 Filipinos holding the belt, not sure if this has happen before.

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Quote from: Baofeng on March 04, 2023, 05:14:11 PM

Here mate, the official WBC ranking for their bantamweight class: https://wbcboxing.com/en/bantamweight/

Alejandro Santiago (Barrios) is rank number 4. And yes, Nonito is now rank number 1. And the number 2 Nawaphon Sor Rungvisai, which I thought to be Donaire's opponent for the belt will fight another Filipino in Reymart Gaballo, it is called a title eliminator but obviously the fight between Donaire and Santiago is for the vacant belt already. But maybe the winner of Gaballo vs Sor Rungvisai will fight the champion next.

It is highly likely to happen that the winner between Gaballo and Sor Rungvisai will fight the winner between Nonito Donaire and Alejandro Santiago because whoever the winner between Gaballo and Sor Rungvisai will become the no.1 challenger of the title if ever a mandatory title defense is triggered.

Now it is interesting if both Filipinos won the fight, Gaballo had lost once to Nonito Donaire via 4th round KO so it would be interesting to watch if Gaballo had improved and be able to dominate a fight against Donaire.

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Quote from: Baofeng on March 03, 2023, 05:14:10 PM

Yes it was clearly a duck to me as well, how him and Top Rank try to avoid Donaire at all cost and just hiding on their own reasons like doesn't want to work with Probellum, Donaire's promotion but in the past did they that.

After all, Nonito Donaire is still considered a threat in the Bantamweight even after being beaten by Naoya Inoue as the Japanese are really on the highest level at 118 lbs and no one can beat this guy. Top Rank once again spoiled another big fight in the Bantamweight as they clearly ducked their boxer, Jason Moloney to fight the old Donaire who still has the speed and strength.

I hope that Donaire will win the fight and claim the WBC title in order for the boxing council to somehow mandate title defense against top-ranked boxer in their list and that includes Jason Moloney. Top Rank will surely be forced to accept the deal. But the longer they are doing delays, the older Donaire is getting to.

Not sure though mate that is going to happen, Jason Moloney now targets the WBO belt and he has been dropped by the WBC in their rankings (maybe this is because he refused to fight Donaire).

But who knows, maybe if Donaire get the majority of the belts and then only the WBO belt is missing, then maybe a unification fight is inevitable. So let's see, Donaire has a few more fights in him, at least if he wins he should aim for another belt in this division.

Thanks for the input. Not aware that WBC dropped Jason Moloney on their ranking list.

As a result, that makes Nonito Donaire the number 1 rank in the WBC Bantamweight rankings.

But I can't seem to find the name of his next opponent, Alejandro Santiago, on the rankings. What a great opportunity for Santiago to fight for a title match even not on the top-ranking list.

Here mate, the official WBC ranking for their bantamweight class: https://wbcboxing.com/en/bantamweight/

Alejandro Santiago (Barrios) is rank number 4. And yes, Nonito is now rank number 1. And the number 2 Nawaphon Sor Rungvisai, which I thought to be Donaire's opponent for the belt will fight another Filipino in Reymart Gaballo, it is called a title eliminator but obviously the fight between Donaire and Santiago is for the vacant belt already. But maybe the winner of Gaballo vs Sor Rungvisai will fight the champion next.

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And something to spice it up:

You owe us some money’ – John Fury sends warning to Jake Paul over Tommy Fury fight bet

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Fury sealed a split decision victory over Paul in Saudi Arabia on Sunday night to settle a feud that had raged for almost two years.

Prior to fight night, the YouTuber-turned boxer raised the stakes, offering to give his rival his entire cut of the fight purse if he could become the first man to beat him.

John Fury eagerly agreed to those terms on his son’s behalf before the former Love Island star crossed the stage to shake hands and seal the deal.

Source: https://metro.co.uk/2023/03/01/john-fury-sends-warning-to-jake-paul-over-tommy-fury-fight-bet-18369562/?ito=newsnow-feed

Jake Paul has to pay that bet, even if there is not a written contract the terms were extremely simple and they both agreed to it, and if he refuses I think Tommy Fury has enough grounds to take this to court and win, and at that point most likely he will have to pay for the lawyers expenses and the interests accumulated during that time too, so he better pays up, besides if he refuses this will be a hit to his reputation as we will know his word is worth nothing on his eyes and he is willing to go back so easily on it.

^ That is right, if there is a dispute over the terms of a bet or agreement, it is always best to have a written contract to avoid confusion or misunderstandings. This helps to establish clear expectations and ensures that both parties understand their obligations. Because for me, if Jake Paul made a bet with Tommy Fury and both parties agreed to the terms, then Jake Paul should honor the bet and pay up, regardless of whether or not there was a written contract. Reneging on a bet could certainly damage his reputation and could be he is not a trustworthy person.

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Quote from: LUCKMCFLY on March 04, 2023, 01:08:13 PM

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And something to spice it up:

You owe us some money’ – John Fury sends warning to Jake Paul over Tommy Fury fight bet

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Fury sealed a split decision victory over Paul in Saudi Arabia on Sunday night to settle a feud that had raged for almost two years.

Prior to fight night, the YouTuber-turned boxer raised the stakes, offering to give his rival his entire cut of the fight purse if he could become the first man to beat him.

John Fury eagerly agreed to those terms on his son’s behalf before the former Love Island star crossed the stage to shake hands and seal the deal.

Source: https://metro.co.uk/2023/03/01/john-fury-sends-warning-to-jake-paul-over-tommy-fury-fight-bet-18369562/?ito=newsnow-feed

Jake Paul has to pay that bet, even if there is not a written contract the terms were extremely simple and they both agreed to it, and if he refuses I think Tommy Fury has enough grounds to take this to court and win, and at that point most likely he will have to pay for the lawyers expenses and the interests accumulated during that time too, so he better pays up, besides if he refuses this will be a hit to his reputation as we will know his word is worth nothing on his eyes and he is willing to go back so easily on it.

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Quote from: Baofeng on March 03, 2023, 07:21:59 PM

Quote from: goinmerry on March 03, 2023, 06:59:52 PM

Quote from: Baofeng on March 03, 2023, 05:14:10 PM

Yes it was clearly a duck to me as well, how him and Top Rank try to avoid Donaire at all cost and just hiding on their own reasons like doesn't want to work with Probellum, Donaire's promotion but in the past did they that.

After all, Nonito Donaire is still considered a threat in the Bantamweight even after being beaten by Naoya Inoue as the Japanese are really on the highest level at 118 lbs and no one can beat this guy. Top Rank once again spoiled another big fight in the Bantamweight as they clearly ducked their boxer, Jason Moloney to fight the old Donaire who still has the speed and strength.

I hope that Donaire will win the fight and claim the WBC title in order for the boxing council to somehow mandate title defense against top-ranked boxer in their list and that includes Jason Moloney. Top Rank will surely be forced to accept the deal. But the longer they are doing delays, the older Donaire is getting to.

Not sure though mate that is going to happen, Jason Moloney now targets the WBO belt and he has been dropped by the WBC in their rankings (maybe this is because he refused to fight Donaire).

But who knows, maybe if Donaire get the majority of the belts and then only the WBO belt is missing, then maybe a unification fight is inevitable. So let's see, Donaire has a few more fights in him, at least if he wins he should aim for another belt in this division.

Thanks for the input. Not aware that WBC dropped Jason Moloney on their ranking list.

As a result, that makes Nonito Donaire the number 1 rank in the WBC Bantamweight rankings.

But I can't seem to find the name of his next opponent, Alejandro Santiago, on the rankings. What a great opportunity for Santiago to fight for a title match even not on the top-ranking list.

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