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And something to spice it up:

You owe us some money’ – John Fury sends warning to Jake Paul over Tommy Fury fight bet

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Fury sealed a split decision victory over Paul in Saudi Arabia on Sunday night to settle a feud that had raged for almost two years.

Prior to fight night, the YouTuber-turned boxer raised the stakes, offering to give his rival his entire cut of the fight purse if he could become the first man to beat him.

John Fury eagerly agreed to those terms on his son’s behalf before the former Love Island star crossed the stage to shake hands and seal the deal.

Source: https://metro.co.uk/2023/03/01/john-fury-sends-warning-to-jake-paul-over-tommy-fury-fight-bet-18369562/?ito=newsnow-feed

Jake Paul has to pay that bet, even if there is not a written contract the terms were extremely simple and they both agreed to it, and if he refuses I think Tommy Fury has enough grounds to take this to court and win, and at that point most likely he will have to pay for the lawyers expenses and the interests accumulated during that time too, so he better pays up, besides if he refuses this will be a hit to his reputation as we will know his word is worth nothing on his eyes and he is willing to go back so easily on it.
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Yes it was clearly a duck to me as well, how him and Top Rank try to avoid Donaire at all cost and just hiding on their own reasons like doesn't want to work with Probellum, Donaire's promotion but in the past did they that.

After all, Nonito Donaire is still considered a threat in the Bantamweight even after being beaten by Naoya Inoue as the Japanese are really on the highest level at 118 lbs and no one can beat this guy. Top Rank once again spoiled another big fight in the Bantamweight as they clearly ducked their boxer, Jason Moloney to fight the old Donaire who still has the speed and strength.

I hope that Donaire will win the fight and claim the WBC title in order for the boxing council to somehow mandate title defense against top-ranked boxer in their list and that includes Jason Moloney. Top Rank will surely be forced to accept the deal. But the longer they are doing delays, the older Donaire is getting to.

Not sure though mate that is going to happen, Jason Moloney now targets the WBO belt and he has been dropped by the WBC in their rankings (maybe this is because he refused to fight Donaire).

But who knows, maybe if Donaire get the majority of the belts and then only the WBO belt is missing, then maybe a unification fight is inevitable. So let's see, Donaire has a few more fights in him, at least if he wins he should aim for another belt in this division.

Thanks for the input. Not aware that WBC dropped Jason Moloney on their ranking list.

As a result, that makes Nonito Donaire the number 1 rank in the WBC Bantamweight rankings.

But I can't seem to find the name of his next opponent, Alejandro Santiago, on the rankings. What a great opportunity for Santiago to fight for a title match even not on the top-ranking list.
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He has consecutive losses so it's time for him to break the code. I hope he won't retire this early and aim for more belts because lots of supporters are still rooting for him.
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Only suffers 2 consecutive losses to Naoya Inoue. After being beaten by the Japanese monster, Donaire Jr. was able to bounce back with 2 impressive wins against Nordine Oubaali and Reymart Gaballo with a 4th Round TKO.

It shows that if we exclude Naoya Inoue from the discussion, Donaire is still deadly against other bantamweight boxers. His fight against Santiago for the vacant WBC Bantamweight title will the deciding point of his career if he still has the power to dominate the bantamweight division.

Later on, the PH boxing community is waiting for the clash between Mark Magsayo and Brandon Figueroa for the WBC Featherweight Interim match. The winner of this match will face the current WBC Featherweight champion, Rey Vargas who snatch the title from Magsayo Magsayo last year.
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But who knows, maybe if Donaire gets the majority of the belts and then only the WBO belt is missing, then maybe a unification fight is inevitable. So let's see, Donaire has a few more fights in him, at least if he wins he should aim for another belt in this division.

Correct. The unification fight is the only way now for Nonito Donaire Jr. to face Jason Moloney in the future.

That's it if both boxers will able to achieve their respective target of getting the belts, the WBC title for Donaire, and the WBO title for Moloney. But anyhow, Donaire seems just ready for whoever he will face in the future because his time is running out now. As long as he keeps continuing to win, that's what matters.

Once he loses a fight from now on at this point of his career, I'm sure he will now retire.




He has consecutive losses so it's time for him to break the code. I hope he won't retire this early and aim for more belts because lots of supporters are still rooting for him. His goal before was to follow in the footsteps of Manny so quitting if ever he will lose another fight will be unreasonable. Since he's facing family issues nowadays, I hope he won't get distracted and would stay focused on his training since he only has a little time left.

Not consecutive because Donaire has been able to make a statement and defeat two boxers by a KO, that was after Donaire fought Inoue for the first time. His last 2 defeats were made by Inoue but not consecutive. So, back to the topic, hopefully Donaire can still make a name in the boxing industry and be a champion once again before he thinks about retirement.
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I agree, it is better for Magsayo to be slick, and quick and must launch a scoring punch rather than a knock-out punch.  This way he can compete against Vargas in scoring.  Besides not putting much of force on the punches can render him more mobile and quick.  He should know when to launch heavy knockout punches and the scoring punches.  Sadly, Magsayo is all brawn and not using his brain during the fight against Vargas.  

For sure Magsayo's camp is already aware of those problems. If ever given a chance again to face Vargas, those problems will surely be addressed. Let's also consider the fact that Magsayo isn't really outscored in the match as he won the one judge.


Surely Magsayo has learned a thing or two about Vargas's strength and his weakness especially recently when Foster revealed how to defeat Vargas, although I'm not sure that Magsayo can use that one because they have a different fighting style and Foster is quite slick, that is why Vargas failed in his attempt. This time, Magsayo should level up his game because he will get embarrassed for sure if he didn't learn something from their first encounter.

He need to adjust and learn from his past mistake, adding more on his stamina so he can last long with good breathing, unlike with that first encounter where he didn't manage to win the fight, but for now better to focus with his upcoming fight and think about Vargas after he succeed with these opportunities to come back.

Let see if he will win and start preparing for the title fight if, in case Vargas will negotiate right after Magsayo wins his fight.
It looks like magsayo can survive and will fight as best he can and I think there is a chance for him to win the fight because in some news I heard he has prepared everything and is really training quite well in terms of attack defense and stamina or breathing.
That way I'm sure at the meeting of the fight he can fight well enough and beat vargas and can continue the fight to be able to take the championship belt.
This fight is a good opportunity for magsayo so he will prove and give his best to win.

Magsayo is a very complete boxer, I personally believe that when a boxer prepares at a very demanding level he can beat anyone, of course, only those who demand the most are the ones who have the best results, ideally One as a fan could know something about the training scheme and thus have privileged information to be able to have a much more accurate forecast, but it's all a matter of how he stands in the ring and manages to decipher his opponent well so that he can apply the best strategy.

This is not difficult, good training will always give the best results, it is hard, because boxing is not for everyone, but in this case Magsayo must show that he is the best.

And something to spice it up:

You owe us some money’ – John Fury sends warning to Jake Paul over Tommy Fury fight bet

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Fury sealed a split decision victory over Paul in Saudi Arabia on Sunday night to settle a feud that had raged for almost two years.

Prior to fight night, the YouTuber-turned boxer raised the stakes, offering to give his rival his entire cut of the fight purse if he could become the first man to beat him.

John Fury eagerly agreed to those terms on his son’s behalf before the former Love Island star crossed the stage to shake hands and seal the deal.

Source: https://metro.co.uk/2023/03/01/john-fury-sends-warning-to-jake-paul-over-tommy-fury-fight-bet-18369562/?ito=newsnow-feed
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But who knows, maybe if Donaire gets the majority of the belts and then only the WBO belt is missing, then maybe a unification fight is inevitable. So let's see, Donaire has a few more fights in him, at least if he wins he should aim for another belt in this division.

Correct. The unification fight is the only way now for Nonito Donaire Jr. to face Jason Moloney in the future.

That's it if both boxers will able to achieve their respective target of getting the belts, the WBC title for Donaire, and the WBO title for Moloney. But anyhow, Donaire seems just ready for whoever he will face in the future because his time is running out now. As long as he keeps continuing to win, that's what matters.

Once he loses a fight from now on at this point of his career, I'm sure he will now retire.




He has consecutive losses so it's time for him to break the code. I hope he won't retire this early and aim for more belts because lots of supporters are still rooting for him. His goal before was to follow in the footsteps of Manny so quitting if ever he will lose another fight will be unreasonable. Since he's facing family issues nowadays, I hope he won't get distracted and would stay focused on his training since he only has a little time left.
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In influencer boxing news… KSI just tweeted this:

“May 13th, I’ll do what Jake Paul couldn’t do.”

I assume that means KSI has lined up a fight with Tommy Fury and is saying that he’ll beat fury even though Jake Paul couldn’t. I sort of thought we’d be seeing a Fury rematch with Paul or even a new fight with Logan Paul, but maybe KSI is the one who got the call.
I do not think so because there is no way that Ksi beats Tommy Fury he probably cannot beat Jake Paul so I do not know why he thinks he can beat Tommy Fury. I doubt they have signed a contract this close to the Jake Paul vs Tommy Fury fight concluding too. He is probably click baiting and trying to build hype but Ksi will be fighting other people before he starts fighting the pros.
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In influencer boxing news… KSI just tweeted this:

“May 13th, I’ll do what Jake Paul couldn’t do.”

I assume that means KSI has lined up a fight with Tommy Fury and is saying that he’ll beat fury even though Jake Paul couldn’t. I sort of thought we’d be seeing a Fury rematch with Paul or even a new fight with Logan Paul, but maybe KSI is the one who got the call.
I actually thought it will be KSI versus Jake Paul first. And the family feud between him and his brother Logan Paul will reach certain heights as Logan is friends with KSI. I guess that is the only thing that is keeping it from happening.
KSI versus Tommy Fury sounds like the better idea. Let's see if this will materialize. Jake Paul said there was a rematch clause in the contract and he talked with Tommy behind the camera about doing it again.
If that happens KSI may have to wait, putting an exact date in his tweet is intriguing though.
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In influencer boxing news… KSI just tweeted this:

“May 13th, I’ll do what Jake Paul couldn’t do.”

I assume that means KSI has lined up a fight with Tommy Fury and is saying that he’ll beat fury even though Jake Paul couldn’t. I sort of thought we’d be seeing a Fury rematch with Paul or even a new fight with Logan Paul, but maybe KSI is the one who got the call.
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But who knows, maybe if Donaire get the majority of the belts and then only the WBO belt is missing, then maybe a unification fight is inevitable. So let's see, Donaire has a few more fights in him, at least if he wins he should aim for another belt in this division.

Correct. The unification fight is the only way now for Nonito Donaire Jr. to face Jason Moloney in the future.

That's it if both boxers will able to achieve their respective target of getting the belts, the WBC title for Donaire, and the WBO title for Moloney. But anyhow, Donaire seems just ready for whoever he will face in the future because his time is running out now. As long as he keeps continuing to win, that's what matters.

Once he loses a fight from now on at this point of his career, I'm sure he will now retire.

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Yes it was clearly a duck to me as well, how him and Top Rank try to avoid Donaire at all cost and just hiding on their own reasons like doesn't want to work with Probellum, Donaire's promotion but in the past did they that.

After all, Nonito Donaire is still considered a threat in the Bantamweight even after being beaten by Naoya Inoue as the Japanese are really on the highest level at 118 lbs and no one can beat this guy. Top Rank once again spoiled another big fight in the Bantamweight as they clearly ducked their boxer, Jason Moloney to fight the old Donaire who still has the speed and strength.

I hope that Donaire will win the fight and claim the WBC title in order for the boxing council to somehow mandate title defense against top-ranked boxer in their list and that includes Jason Moloney. Top Rank will surely be forced to accept the deal. But the longer they are doing delays, the older Donaire is getting to.

That's for sure, the longer the delay the chance that Donaire will retire first before the fight will take place, they are avoiding him since he really can still do the damage even at his age, I'm hoping that he will get the belt and have a title defense or another couple of fights before deciding to retire is gloves.

Let see what will future will dictate to his career and how he can push his way back being a title holder.
Donaire now become the most feared bantamweight, and yes, hopefully we want him to see fight Moloney in the future, that is if their promotional company will have to sit down and forget about Bob's accusation on the people behind Probellum.

But if Moloney loses his fight against Astrolobio, then I don't see him fighting Donaire next.

He will have to back as challenger for the champions of any governing body as the fight has been settled as to who is going to fight who for the belt. So it's a one time chance for this boxers to win that vacated belt.
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Yes it was clearly a duck to me as well, how him and Top Rank try to avoid Donaire at all cost and just hiding on their own reasons like doesn't want to work with Probellum, Donaire's promotion but in the past did they that.

After all, Nonito Donaire is still considered a threat in the Bantamweight even after being beaten by Naoya Inoue as the Japanese are really on the highest level at 118 lbs and no one can beat this guy. Top Rank once again spoiled another big fight in the Bantamweight as they clearly ducked their boxer, Jason Moloney to fight the old Donaire who still has the speed and strength.

I hope that Donaire will win the fight and claim the WBC title in order for the boxing council to somehow mandate title defense against top-ranked boxer in their list and that includes Jason Moloney. Top Rank will surely be forced to accept the deal. But the longer they are doing delays, the older Donaire is getting to.

That's for sure, the longer the delay the chance that Donaire will retire first before the fight will take place, they are avoiding him since he really can still do the damage even at his age, I'm hoping that he will get the belt and have a title defense or another couple of fights before deciding to retire is gloves.

Let see what will future will dictate to his career and how he can push his way back being a title holder.
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Yes it was clearly a duck to me as well, how him and Top Rank try to avoid Donaire at all cost and just hiding on their own reasons like doesn't want to work with Probellum, Donaire's promotion but in the past did they that.

After all, Nonito Donaire is still considered a threat in the Bantamweight even after being beaten by Naoya Inoue as the Japanese are really on the highest level at 118 lbs and no one can beat this guy. Top Rank once again spoiled another big fight in the Bantamweight as they clearly ducked their boxer, Jason Moloney to fight the old Donaire who still has the speed and strength.

I hope that Donaire will win the fight and claim the WBC title in order for the boxing council to somehow mandate title defense against top-ranked boxer in their list and that includes Jason Moloney. Top Rank will surely be forced to accept the deal. But the longer they are doing delays, the older Donaire is getting to.

Not sure though mate that is going to happen, Jason Moloney now targets the WBO belt and he has been dropped by the WBC in their rankings (maybe this is because he refused to fight Donaire).

But who knows, maybe if Donaire get the majority of the belts and then only the WBO belt is missing, then maybe a unification fight is inevitable. So let's see, Donaire has a few more fights in him, at least if he wins he should aim for another belt in this division.
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Yes it was clearly a duck to me as well, how him and Top Rank try to avoid Donaire at all cost and just hiding on their own reasons like doesn't want to work with Probellum, Donaire's promotion but in the past did they that.

After all, Nonito Donaire is still considered a threat in the Bantamweight even after being beaten by Naoya Inoue as the Japanese are really on the highest level at 118 lbs and no one can beat this guy. Top Rank once again spoiled another big fight in the Bantamweight as they clearly ducked their boxer, Jason Moloney to fight the old Donaire who still has the speed and strength.

I hope that Donaire will win the fight and claim the WBC title in order for the boxing council to somehow mandate title defense against top-ranked boxer in their list and that includes Jason Moloney. Top Rank will surely be forced to accept the deal. But the longer they are doing delays, the older Donaire is getting to.
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Ok we have a new order for the IBF bantamweight,

it will be Emmanuel Rodriguez vs Melvin Lopez as ordered by IBF. So everything has taken shape now since Inoue has vacated all the belt.
Donaire vs Santiago, (WBF)
Astrolobio vs Moloney (WBO)
Takuma Inoue vs Solis (WBA)

So that's what the bantamweight will look like for this year and the vacancy will be filled by this fights.

Well sounds fair, well they sure did give a fight to Nonito Donaire, and the Emmanuel Rodriguez vs Melvin Lopez fight is a mandatory one, the IBF has ordered the two to fight, so they have no choice but to pick their opponent, but it is a chance for them for the vacated belt,

The Nonito Donaire VS Alexandro Santiago fight was for the vacant WBC bantamweight belt, which is exciting to see a Filipino could hold the belt again, well if Donaire would win that fight, it is good to see how eager Nonito Donaire in getting a belt

While Jason Moloney VS Vincent Astrolabio fight I don't know but I have recently seen an article that this fight has been canceled by the IBF, I will find the article again, but this will be a chance for Moloney to come back, and be relevant again,



Here are my quick pick almost full picks for the Figueroa vs. Magsayo event

Brandon Figueroa VS Mark Magsayo

Jarrett Hurd VS Armando Resendiz

Amilcar Vidal VS Elijah Garcia

Terrell Gausha VS Brandyn Lynch

Enriko Gogokhia VS Samuel Teah

Justin DeLoach VS Travon Marshall

Daniel Blancas VS Kynndale Prather

Anthony Cuba VS Darel Harris

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Technical defensive boxers are always boring to watch because they seldom to be the first one to engage.  It is boring as hell of two technical defensive player fight because all we see is an idle time of waiting and waitng looking for an opportunity  for a counter punch which is likely to happen between two defensive player.  Counter puncher is sure good to watch but it needs an aggressive opponent.
Technical boxers that do not engage are some of the most fun imo because they are counter punching which is more effective for knocking people out because they catch their opponent off guard. It takes a lot of skill to be a counter puncher because you have to be prepared to get hit and then throw a punch and some of the most successful boxers of all time are counter punchers. Floyd Mayweather is a defensive boxer who uses foot work and counter punching and he has built 1 of the largest fan bases in boxing and it is why he is worth so much money.
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Ok we have a new order for the IBF bantamweight,

it will be Emmanuel Rodriguez vs Melvin Lopez as ordered by IBF. So everything has taken shape now since Inoue has vacated all the belt.
Donaire vs Santiago, (WBF)
Astrolobio vs Moloney (WBO)
Takuma Inoue vs Solis (WBA)

So that's what the bantamweight will look like for this year and the vacancy will be filled by this fights.
And it's good to see at least 2 Filipino on that list, Donaire and Astrolobio vying for the vacant belt in the bantamweight. There is still one, Reymart Gaballo, but for sure he will get the first crack on the belt since he is also a rank boxer in bantamweight. Might be hard for Filipinos to make it 2-0 here, specially Astrolobio who is facing Jason Moloney.

Now it's clear, Moloney ducked the fight against Donaire because he is afraid to have another loss against another Asian boxer who do have a strong KO power. Now he is taking his chance to have the WBO belt against another Asian boxer who is also fellow countryman of Donaire, but I don't think he will just have an easy journey towards the belt because Astrolabio also got a decent chance and is also hungry and been waiting for this chance to come.

Yes it was clearly a duck to me as well, how him and Top Rank try to avoid Donaire at all cost and just hiding on their own reasons like doesn't want to work with Probellum, Donaire's promotion but in the past did they that.

In any case, they might underestimate Astrolabio here, maybe they thought it's going to be an easy fight for them. But they forget that he is also a Filipino with a big heart and he had a good chin as well. So expect this also to be a war for Moloney. And he could end up bloodied as he is known to be cut very easy, so not an easy fight for him and maybe Vincent can pull an upset here.
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Ok we have a new order for the IBF bantamweight,

it will be Emmanuel Rodriguez vs Melvin Lopez as ordered by IBF. So everything has taken shape now since Inoue has vacated all the belt.
Donaire vs Santiago, (WBF)
Astrolobio vs Moloney (WBO)
Takuma Inoue vs Solis (WBA)

So that's what the bantamweight will look like for this year and the vacancy will be filled by this fights.
And it's good to see at least 2 Filipino on that list, Donaire and Astrolobio vying for the vacant belt in the bantamweight. There is still one, Reymart Gaballo, but for sure he will get the first crack on the belt since he is also a rank boxer in bantamweight. Might be hard for Filipinos to make it 2-0 here, specially Astrolobio who is facing Jason Moloney.

Now it's clear, Moloney ducked the fight against Donaire because he is afraid to have another loss against another Asian boxer who do have a strong KO power. Now he is taking his chance to have the WBO belt against another Asian boxer who is also fellow countryman of Donaire, but I don't think he will just have an easy journey towards the belt because Astrolabio also got a decent chance and is also hungry and been waiting for this chance to come.
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Well, for me, Floyd Mayweather is not such an iconic boxer, I am sure that many know well who Pacquiao is before him, I cannot deny, he is a very intelligent boxer, he knows how to handle fights in a totally technical area very well, but sometimes Sometimes that is something that is boring, we as fans want to see more action, we want to see technique and we want to see what they are capable of, that they reach the limit, maybe things are getting more demanding for this type of boxer.
I know what you feel and that vibe is the same with many boxing fans. It's true that he's a living legend and he's got a good and clean record but he's not really an icon to many. I don't know maybe that feels about how he's interacting with fans and the charisma isn't just the same with other real icons that we can say like Pacquiao, Marquez, and other boxers that have been knowing for the past years. And it even made his reputation lower when he's doing some exhibition matches as it's intended to make money just as his alias.

many boxing fans want real toe-to-toe fight inside the ring. and mayweather's technique is not like that, he is indeed on the technicalities wherein as a boxing audience, you will see him running away from his opponent but only care for the points he will make. i also don't like this kind of boxer. much better if he will give a real fight just like pacquiao. every boxing fan has their own take on this matter. but imo, a true legend is not afraid of having a loss in his record.

Technical defensive boxers are always boring to watch because they seldom to be the first one to engage.  It is boring as hell of two technical defensive player fight because all we see is an idle time of waiting and waitng looking for an opportunity  for a counter punch which is likely to happen between two defensive player.  Counter puncher is sure good to watch but it needs an aggressive opponent.

Mayweather seems to retain his amateur traits of scoring points but I think Mayweather is a very intelligent fighter, he will cowers on his variation of philly shell defence if he think his opponent can KO him but plays aggressive when he knows he can take the punches of his opponent.


It's not that surprising anymore that the boxing community got more likes towards Manny Pacquiao because the man was rare, even the boxing experts are in awe seeing his greatness because who could've expect that a guy like him can still bring his talent and brute strength from 112 to 147 and became an 8-Division World Champion. Besides, if we compare Mayweather Jr. and Manny Pacquiao which was a hot topic in the past years, Mayweather fans can only provide his unscathed record because of his technicalities but for the latter, there's too many factors to show and one of that is, Manny Pacquiao didn't ducked anyone.

Manny fight is exciting because Manny Pacquiao always play aggressive.  He often times initiate attack and would love to exchange punches with his opponent.  Manny's defense is parry and evasion and always on the counters whenever his oppnent throw punches.
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Well, for me, Floyd Mayweather is not such an iconic boxer, I am sure that many know well who Pacquiao is before him, I cannot deny, he is a very intelligent boxer, he knows how to handle fights in a totally technical area very well, but sometimes Sometimes that is something that is boring, we as fans want to see more action, we want to see technique and we want to see what they are capable of, that they reach the limit, maybe things are getting more demanding for this type of boxer.
I know what you feel and that vibe is the same with many boxing fans. It's true that he's a living legend and he's got a good and clean record but he's not really an icon to many. I don't know maybe that feels about how he's interacting with fans and the charisma isn't just the same with other real icons that we can say like Pacquiao, Marquez, and other boxers that have been knowing for the past years. And it even made his reputation lower when he's doing some exhibition matches as it's intended to make money just as his alias.

many boxing fans want real toe-to-toe fight inside the ring. and mayweather's technique is not like that, he is indeed on the technicalities wherein as a boxing audience, you will see him running away from his opponent but only care for the points he will make. i also don't like this kind of boxer. much better if he will give a real fight just like pacquiao. every boxing fan has their own take on this matter. but imo, a true legend is not afraid of having a loss in his record.

Like you, that's the reason I really like Pacquiao as he's not afraid in staking whatever he had as long as he will give the entertainment to all his fans and people who supporting him, Mayweather's strategy works well with him as he was able to keep his record clean and established billions of dollars in his entire career.

Something that might newcomers will follow, especially to those who wanted to bring more fortune while still capable of fighting and win fights.

It's not that surprising anymore that the boxing community got more likes towards Manny Pacquiao because the man was rare, even the boxing experts are in awe seeing his greatness because who could've expect that a guy like him can still bring his talent and brute strength from 112 to 147 and became an 8-Division World Champion. Besides, if we compare Mayweather Jr. and Manny Pacquiao which was a hot topic in the past years, Mayweather fans can only provide his unscathed record because of his technicalities but for the latter, there's too many factors to show and one of that is, Manny Pacquiao didn't ducked anyone.
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