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In some cases like this, it should be investigated if there are many that are siding that the fight was truly fixed and there is something that happens that is really not right and not true with the fight then people that are involved should be investigated and if proven guilty they should have gotten a fine for the damage that has happened and on the recent fight of John Riel Casimero the fight was changed to No contest to a KO/TKO punch to the back of the head,


In some cases, they can not do something about it but there are promoters for that event that will surely use someone to make the fight in their favor and that task was always on the referee's decision-making, well there is recent news that a referee has recently admitted to cheating the knockout count for Pacquaio and prolonging the count because he is a Filipino well there are surely different aspect for the said cheating and allowing Manny Pacquiao to rest a bit and that Referee was Carlos Padilla so in this recent statement referee is surely prone to commit cheating for their favorite boxer, but if the fight is dominant enough are there are no chance for the following to make that cheat then there is no need to worry about something, but then if the fight was close then it can easily manipulated by the referee of the judges,

It's because both still have their belts as the results is draw. Not sure who will be the two will be facing in their division, Ioka seems to need to expand his horizon and need to fight another good boxer to remain on top or defend it stateside.

Same for Franco, he has been in a lot of controversial fight in his last 4, for those who are not aware of, his fight fight with Moloney is also the same and then they settled it in a trilogy wherein Franco won.

Everyone can search their first fight and it's so unfortunate for Moloney that he didn't get the benefit of the replay but when they fought the second time around, the referee uses a replay and chance his verdict from knock down to non knock down, how ironic it is.

Reading articles related to that fight, no signs of complaining or anything from both party. No need for reviews or something.

Both boxers will now finally move on to the next chapter of their fight.

No mandatory rematch as per the article I read, Ioka is not available for it. Franco will be facing another opponent and so is Ioka.

Fair and nothing to say about the decision, regarding to the possibility of a rematch, that only depends on both camps, especially if
money speaks louder even the career intention can be changed if dealing with huge amount of money.

Handlers and promoters will think about the possibilities of bringing both fighters if they see good pressure from fans and sponsors.

Updates will be announced either there's a complaint between the camps, or they decided to take the rematch. We can only speak
on our opinions, but the finals, judgments are still on the organization to declare.

Why there's a need for reverse? As I watched some of the clips of that fight, they are really fighting toe-to-toe. That won't be subject for sure for a review since there should be no controversial thing about that fight. Besides, I doubt one of the party are complaining aggressively to the point that they will file a case.

The DRAW result seems like a fair judge to me and no biased decision or anything.

About a mandatory rematch, I think not gonna happened as Franco sticks with his target for a long, WBC Junior bantamweight champion Juan Francisco Estrada.

Ioka on the other hand will be mandated by WBO to fight for a title defense.

That is common because they don't have any strings to pull or that their promoter has no ties with the governing bodies or committees that will get the outcome to their favor, in those cases, they already know what would be the outcome and that the result will not be in their favor. To sum it up, almost all sports industries have the same problems because this is a multi-millions sports after all, we just got to be accustomed by it.

In fact, in all boxing history, controversial fights are just too many to mention here. It will take a whole year just to discuss it and to agree if the judge's made the right call or not. But despite of the bad image that these judges, referees, and boxers are giving, we all are here still supporting and watching their upcoming fights because we know that there's still a lot of neutral fight and fair fight as not all of them is that corrupt. There's still judges and referees that just can't be bought because they have their own stand.

Up to this date, we're still witnessing corrupt officials and controversial fights. We just can't do anything about it because we don't have the voice that will make them obey and straighten them up.

Still, that's needed to cater if someone or from the other end has complained and asked for a review.

That's okay and they just need to end it up with that investigation just to satisfy and verify that the win is clean and outright. I don't think that there's a reason for it to destroy the reputation of boxing.

There are a few of them but it will not destroy its reputation.

It's even good that they're giving the complainant a chance and they've given what's being ask if ever this is happening in some boxing matches.

This is something that I don't know how to say, but something happened at the Olympics that was precisely with the JAPANESE, I don't know if they already took that into account, and for that moment, the judges are the most studied and most expert, without However, they came out with those results, so here things are not done for the sake of it, I think that since boxing is a business model in which money is managed at a very high level, things can get out of hand and it is usually seen as a great I shamelessly have fights that are fixed, now the judges and the federations always take care not to put their reputation at risk and any claim can be seen as something childish, when it can be very well categorized.

This January I know there are upcoming fights and there are fights that I would surely want to discuss here, and the 1st one was the only fight dated as my birthday, and that was

Janicijevic vs. Weidmann

Thursday 01.05.2023
Location: Zlatibor, Serbia

MAIN EVENT
WBO European Female Lightweight Title
Jelena Janicijevic VS Sarah Weidmann

Information was from TAPOLOGY

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The next one is the very popular Gervonta Davis and before his fight with Ryan Garcia he will take on Hector Garcia here is the full card for the event, and here is the Forum Thread from Saisher,

Davis vs. Garcia

Saturday 01.07.2023
Location: Washington, District of Columbia
Venue: Capital One Arena

MAIN EVENT
WBA Regular Lightweight Title
Gervonta Davis VS Hector Garcia

CO-MAIN EVENT
Interim IBF World Welterweight Title
Jaron Ennis VS Karen Chukhadzhyan

MAIN CARD
Rashidi Ellis VS Roiman Villa
Demetrius Andrade VS Demond Nicholson

PRELIMINARY CARD
Vito Mielnicki Jr. VS Omar Rosales
Brandun Lee VS Patrick Okine
Lamont Peterson VS Michael Odhiambo
Anthony Peterson VS Raul Chirino
Kyrone Davis VS Cristian Fabian Rios
Travon Marshall VS Shawn West
Mia Ellis VS Karen Dulin
Jalil Hackett VS Joel Guevara
Keeshawn Williams VS Gustavo David Vittori

All information was from TAPOLOGY

It's childish if the public sees that the decision was fair, here, the public sees there's something wrong with the decision and the judges were favoring the home fighter despite the fact that he was very well dominated in the fight. This will destroy the sports of boxing, and the reputation of the country that have hosted the fight.

That's where the petition probably starts. When the loser boxer don't want to accept the decision and thinks that there's an anomaly regards to the unanimous decision and as per as scoring.

Honestly, this is a childish petition if ever there are boxers like that. They have to respect what has given to them based on the score cards that's presented.

If that's the main reason why many don't like the judges anymore then there shouldn't be judge anymore but, that's it. They're trusted to do their job.

But only a few complaints are successful to win, that's why they called this sport corrupt because there are results that is very obvious to be wrong. Like this particular fight, also, we don't know when the decision will come out, I'm sure there are lots of boxers in the past who complained but the results are not in their favor.

Yeah, there have been cases like that. It's a petition and complaint that they believe that there's a wrong result to the match that has happened and that's why it has to be reviewed again.
It's not a problem for the boxing committee because they're open to any fairness that might affect their reputation. But these days, I rarely see it happen anymore as most of the losses and fights that happen were respected for the results.
But if there's really a need to review a fight, then the losing fighter has to put it up to the process while the boxer that has won should just wait until an investigation comes.

Yes, we can probably call it home advantage, and as others said, not the first time and not only did it exists on boxing, it all other sports discipline as well. It's not in boxing, it is very evident of a home town decision. And it's very hard for someone to visit the home turf of an opponent and then win in the judges card, maybe we can count only a couple and recently, Casimero is a good example of it because after all John Riel is a KO artist as well.

So we will want how the controversy will be settled and hopefully another fight will be good to justify whether it was biased scoring or Franco is really good that he should won the fight in the first place.

Home advantage.  That is why judges and commentators should be from different countries if ever a fight will be between 2 countries.
As long as they know what they are doing, it should be enough for making decisions.
And yes, this is why a TKO or KO is what most boxers do now. If it will be in the judges' hands there's a chance they will lose it by a point or worst like what happened in biased fights in their home countries.
Thankfully, most of the title holders now are KO specialists, Inoue is a good example of it as it's not easy for bantamweights to end a KO/TKO, 24-21-3. And the best example at light heavyweight, Artur Beterbiev, 18-18-0

There could be, but the scoring at least should be correct in the first place as reversing the decision doesn't look good for the sports. That why they are judges, they are train and if I'm not mistaken, paid to do their job right. But if they continue to made mistakes after mistakes then they should look for another job.


Not as easy as it sounds though, the Casimero fight was very different case as it was under the Korean boxing commission, not well known and not sanction by the 4 boxing governing body that we have. But for the fight between Ioka and Franco, it's a unification so very difficult to reverse until all bodies agree on the decision, but I doubt that they will do that, they can simple order a mandatory rematch, best case scenario.

This seems interesting to me, if we go back, there was a very controversial incident regarding the performance of a boxer, who, if I don't remember more, gave the victory to a Japanese when in fact he did not win, but according to the technical gesture it is something that is very wrong, and I think that everyone can attest that you can't have such biases in a boxing fight, particularly I am a boxing fan and I really practiced this sport, and I can say that I prefer to see a fight that they win opr Knockout, or that they have to do another type of development that is by technical means, of course there are opinions that are diverse.

Something very interesting:

Yoohanngoh defends his WBA Asia belt against Metuda in Bangkok – World Boxing Association


Source: https://www.saddoboxing.com/56570-yoohanngoh-defends-his-wba-asia-belt-against-metuda-in-bangkok-world-boxing-association.html

If I'm not mistaken, there are boxing events and matches before where decisions were changed upon being reviewed.

Like, the losing side will file a complaint, the boxing board or councils will review it, then from there, announce the final results. Another one, the losing side won't bother to make a complaint but the board will still review the fight (like what happened to Casimero).

For long-time boxing enthusiasts there, I'm sure they have an idea about that.