Topic: Boxing Speculation, Odds and Predictions - page 158. (Read 31605 times)

It didn't took long before the Philippines won a belt. But this was unexpected as most of the country are rooting for the likes of Casimero, Donaire and Magsayo to grab the nation's first belt this year. Melvin Jerusalem captured the WBO minimumweight belt earlier today in Osaka, Japan. Jerusalem landed a perfect thunderous straight right on now former champion Masataka Taniguchi's face who fell hard and was not able to recover.

Referees wearing headset will really raise some suspicion to the public, even if they will have a valid reason for it, people and the respective camps will of course doubt as they don't know what's going on with the headset thing as they don't know what the referees are hearing. Anyway, are they using some kind of headset nowadays? I don't know that, if yes, then that shouldn't be allowed to prevent the referees from clouding their judgement.

Well the truth about Casimero and Inoue what happened to that? I know that Inoue is ignoring him, it seems that he didn't want him to be able to face him, it's as if he was avoiding it, I know that when Casimero was going to appeal and was challenging, he couldn't hold back and at once he sent the arrow to Inoue, I think That for that reason is that he will not want to fight him? Although I have seen that Inoue is a calm boxer, he does not mess with anyone and apart from that, he is someone who can give his best without saying much, perhaps his culture applies it totally to what sport is, he only does his job to the best of his ability possible without much talking.


Now the focus of our discussion in this thread is based more than anything on the arbitration decisions, and it is something very important, but how can we go against what supposedly some very experts decide? how to do it? Yes, we are people who can also have many ways of thinking, sometimes we mix emotions with our favorite boxers, and sometimes we have a very impartial position for the decision, we as boxing fans sometimes do not understand referee decisions, but If we refuse to see, they are the ones who are authorized to make decisions, the most transparent thing they can do is show the scoring criteria and release them to the public so that nothing is questioned, that is what I can think of as a solution .

I think in the Bivol vs Canelo, everything was wrong in the beginning, but the judges can't do anything to reward Canelo the win so they make it as close as possible. But we have seen the public making a uproar about the scoring, and who knows, if Bivol didn't dominate the way he did, maybe he could lose by 1 point in that fight and it could be a clear day highway robbery for Bivol. Good thing is that it didn't happen because it will be worst for the judges and Canelo Alvarez reputation. Sometimes its very clear if there is a biased based on the score by those judges.

Yeah right, it can be or it vice versa, we really can't conclude if they are using it in that said purpose, but manipulation in any sports are very possible, I think if there's money involve both judges and refs will take that risk, the amount of profits that they will be getting is not the same with how much they will get in a regular fight.

We all know what they are risking, and for sure the offer is really enticing that they are willing to risk their job and their names
in doing it for the sake of the money that they will be earning after the fight/game.

Maybe true, maybe not. We can't just associate that with a form of cheating as maybe, that serves another purpose. Although, who knows?

Generally, from judges to referees, there's really a chance to manipulate results especially if the fight turned out close.

Because of that, I remember the Bivol-Canelo bout where there are speculations that if the fight instead turned out close the whole time, judges can easily score more points for Canelo every round. This fight turned the underdog Bivol into a superstar overnight.

Now that you say it, it also gave me that impression, I think that Inpoue does not want to have contact with Casimero, it seems to me that this is something that could be very strange, will Inoue see something in Casimero that he wants to avoid? He is an undisputed champion, I don't think it's because of some panic, because a boxer of his level is impossible, what I think is that Inoue wants to continue moving up in category, I think he can give boxing a lot of good things, in fact when A boxer goes up in category by weight because he gains much more fame, and I think it's hard to be able to do something again with respect to the new weight, for me they are much more valued.


We must understand something, the boxing associations, of all the federations that exist in the world must understand that there is an associated business model, in the boxing industry there is a lot of money that is handled, there is no other explanation, we must always take Keep in mind that for any movement there will always be many very large sources of money, one could even talk about mafias that we ourselves have no idea about, so if an association is attacked in this way, it will not only go badly for the person or persons, because It's like an ant fighting an elephant, it shouldn't be done, I think that's something they should be clear about.

You see no reason for referees using a headset inside the ring but when they do, that is something to really wonder why. There were just hypotheses about referees getting instructions from the top where they could just raise the hand of a fighter that obviously fated to win even before the fight started.

If the money is worth I guess they can be morally negotiated if that is the right term.

That has become a norm in boxing, don't expect too much, just enjoy the fight, and always believe that sometimes decisions of the refs are not in our favor. Even since in the past, there were allegations already that sports are corrupt, maybe because people are also betting that's why they fix the game to give the bookies huge money, or worst if the fighters themselves would try to sell the fight.

I think referee could be as corrupt as the organizations themselves, we have seen some bad calls to the point that it's clear to us that they are biased. Speaking of referee, what do you think of using reply in boxing?

In any case, it's really hard to really have a perfect fight without the referee and the judges messing it up, specially great fights like the Akaho vs Franco recently wherein it was really controversial scoring.

With the nature of their job, I think they won't hesitate to take the offer behind the curtain as long as they see some advantage for them the offer. That's why even the Refs are paid to let the other fighter win, we cannot really see how they perform their tricks but we are certain it's there, especially when the fights are close and they find a way to give the other fighter an advantage like for example letting him hit his opponents in the back head which truly has huge damage if constantly done.

If intentionally done and the wild social media attacks take place it will mean of their job, I see your point about that and maybe refs are already aware though we can't tell if they can take that risk, most probably if the money that is being offer is really enticing and can't be ignored, those refs can take it and deal with it.

Even they are risking their job, they are willing to take that to have an instant bulk of money in their paycheck.

Well, it is inevitable when a powerful individual wants something for himself he can take it with money, and what he wants will simply make him even richer, I think that is how things work but we can not say all boxing controversies have something like that there are some that surely just the boxing officials, referee and even the judge's agenda that they want a certain boxer to win,


Yup! it is hard to say something if not proven but for me, there are surely some big known people backing them up I think we don't need to involve most government officials some are just rich guys that want to be even richer and maybe not government officials but maybe the mafia, we surely don't know who's really involve but one thing we really know is there is something like this that is happening in the boxing industry,

In exhibition matches, I do believe this is easy to do.
But in official boxing matches this should not happen. If the referees are proven guilty of cheating then it would mean their job and their careers.
I still do think they are only making errors, bad instant decision-making if a boxer is a good actor, or there is just some biased point of view especially if one boxer is known for evil intents, dirty plays, and other bad stuff.
But cheating intentionally can be easily reviewed, I don't know about the judges though. I guess it's the same as them being biased or what.
Well, it will mean they could not sit as a judge again if they find proof of a big difference in the scorecard.

You can read one here, and as we have suspected, WBC is one body that is being branded as corrupt,

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/346325-47-years-of-rotten-boxing-decisions-and-the-wbc-is-still-going-strong

This allegations has been ongoing for years now that I must say that it is hard to deny. As the saying goes, if there is smoke, there's a fire.


You can search it mate, there are even Youtube video who exposes it or give their thoughts as what this corruption is.

That was a big allegation from you, mate. I doubt that was always the case.

Boxing associations especially the 4 four recognized as major boxing bodies won't just do some sh*t.

Maybe there are controversial results but that is something we can't directly accuse the boxing association are joining that kind of crap.

Not sure if those are common but it could be potentially happen and once these situations had been exposed or really been emphasized or in the main hot seat then this is the time where criticisms would really be there. Its not really something new when it comes to this industry or even in other sports as well where referee decisions turns out to be shady or somethings off and these things should be done on
the most non-obvious manner or else they would be fucked up by lots of criticisms or the worst they might be facing up some legal actions or some sort.

Well, yes it is really the right thing to do, and the weird thing here is that Akaho even acted upon the said rabbit punch that the referee have told, and acting strangely that he was really hurt on the back of the head, which is a silly thing to do because everyone has seen that Akaho is just acting it out because he got pulverized by Casimero, the weird thing here is the record of Casimero and I think he is the 1st boxer to ever win via KO/TKO back of the head punch, that is really absurd.


Yup! It a solid proof just like the Akaho VS Casimero fight there is solid evidence that the back-of-head punch didn't really connect, it was just a graze on the back of the head, but that Manny Pacquaio VS Nedal Hussein doesn't have a clear copy that the referee did cheat, and it was never been really heard but surely if Carlos Padilla the Referee in charge back then doesn't confess that he really did cheated then the public wouldn't even know about this and Pacquaio and Hussein will not talk about a rematch,

It's truly embarrassing to know that these kind of stunts are getting common these days, I mean I know that promoters are starting to become more greedy to get their cows some favor but buying a referee and a judge to make the situation certain is quite too far already. Yet the governing bodies and committees are turning to a blind eye because even them have also participated these stunts as they are also getting some benefits about these things.

Yep I agree, They certainly have power to make it an unfair fight if they side in their favorite boxer. Even prolonging a count by a fraction of a second could be unfair to the match since every millisecond count in a knockout. That kind of unfairness couldn't be caught easily and I believe that it needs to make the referee admit or have a very solid video evidence that it was performed during the match. It could be the same on football where referee power is so strong that they can instantly raise up the violation card they want to give and it is according to their perspective.