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2 fights will do for him, and it's based on the quality of his opponents to be name or at least break into the top 10 rankings i any of this division. He doesn't need to go to a lot of fights in a year, as you have said, no boxer can handle that stress, again, quality not quantity is the name of the name.

At least he made his debut successfully, although it was a delayed gratification because the result was overuled and turned into a knockout later. But if his next fight will be in the likes of Luis Neri and beat him, then he will surely break into the ranking in 122 pounds.

That's quite funny, you know.

Now, I know that Casimero needed to win some few more fights so that his name will go up in the ladder much faster but having 4 fights in a year? That's quite absurd, I reckon because we only have 12 months per year, so that means that Casimero should fight every 3 months to have 4 bouts in a year. I don't think that any boxer can handle that much stress, the world of boxing is not a joke after that just needed a small time to prepare. And after every fight, a boxer needed a few weeks to rest, so that leaves them more or less 2 months to prepare for the next bout.

I agree, he's like McGregor of MMA who speaks nonsense words and tries to fight the enemies inside their head prior to the fight but when the fight commence, Casimero works his end and prove to everybody that he's not all talk. I'm just glad now that the result against Ryo Akaho has been corrected by the KBM and that the fight was indeed ended with a KO in Casimero's favor. Now, that's already one step ahead, he needs to fight more and hopefully he can do 2-3 fights next year so that his name will soon pop up to be one of the title challenger.

Fair enough, I agree that he needs to climb up and he has this actually in his DNA, we don't know what's with Casimero but he really loves to take the challenges.

Nery will be good in his resume, as you have said, he is currently a former champion and rank high not just by WBC, there are still other bodies that recognized Nery achievement. I'm just watching Casimero's highlight and I'm really impressed on his power and how his former says about him. He maybe arrogant, but he can back his trash talk.

4 fights? 
That's exhausting and there's not much room for preparation. Maybe 3 fights per year could be done and he needs perfect wins to be eligible for a championship win.
It is also the reason why he badly needs that win against Akaho. Imagine how much frustration was done by that in his camp after the decision made by the judges about the "no contest". But now it's cleared, he won that fight, no doubt, perhaps WBO could prepare him for a good match with a higher-ranking boxer in their weight class. I think he does deserve it too and we want to see how good he is when faced with a stronger fighter.

Well, in order to get to the top he surely needs to struggle, this is just my opinion of what he can do, to fasten his descent into greatness again, but a mere boxer can not take 4 times pondering to the head per year, and yes I know that the health officials will surely prohibit Casimero in doing so, but it is likely that Casimero is now starting over again and without any backer and for this to come through he surely needs a big promoter to surely back him up to easily catch the boxer he is after but sad to say we will never going to see that,

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December 30 - Right now Philippine time, Ghana is having its boxing event and it is called Takyi vs Kuwornu fighters are all from Ghana I think this is just exclusive to Ghana's people, and in Cazin, Bosnia, and Herzegovina there are events right now and it is called Cazin Fight Night where exclusive fighters were from Bosnia, and Herzegovina,

December 31 - There are also fights in the new years eve, and I think this one is noteworthy because there are 2 Filipino fighters, and this event was the Lifetime Boxing Fights 12: Ioka vs. Franco where the main event was Kazuto Ioka against Joshua Franco and the winner will get the WBA World Super Flyweight Title, but the two Filipino that I am talking about was Peter Apolinar against Hayato Tsutsumi and Robin Langres against Ryuto Owan,

I agree, but regardless politics do prevent boxers from fighting each other.  Just like the supposed to be fight of Inoue and Casimero, it has been scheduled but was canceled, then the next time it should happen, Arum requested for a cut of payment on both boxers, Inoue agreed but Casimero's camp delayed the decision waiting for Inoue to come to America first since the first time Casimero took months waiting for Inoue but Inoue did not come.  Casimero's camp does not refuse the pay cut but was surprised when Inoue came to America, the fight between Inoue and Moloney was scheduled.  So definitely politics do affect the matches in boxing.

He can do it if that same determination continue to inspire him in chasing the belt, though he will surely take a hard way as there are many good competitors who can block his way to earn that belt, we see him fight with Akaho, and for me his adjustment was completed from this new division, he just need to focus and continue winning each fight that will offer to him.


I might assume that Nery will not take that big risk knowing Casimero's capabilities, though it will depend from how both camps will negotiate we can't conclude since boxing is also a business, we never know if how much money would move Nery's camp to accept
if ever, Casimero's camp will bring them a deal.

Luis Nery is one of the big names in the Bantamweight and Super Bantamweight divisions and if Casimero's camp will be able to set a deal successfully with the former Mexican champion, that's a good opportunity to build his ranking, of course only if he wins.

But I have a doubt that with the current status and rank of Luis Nery, will there be interest from his camp to negotiate with Casimero's camp, which is just starting his journey on the Super Bantamweight and has not been ranked til now?

Let's follow the plan of Casimero's camp.

Don't expect something big will happen to Casimero right away, he is just testing this new division, choosing Akaho as a sort of welcoming fight for him. And yes, he won't get the same treatment as Inoue because Naoya is one of the cash cow and pound for pound. And so like we say, he needs to climb back the ladder, go back to zero, fight contender first because he will be recognized by any of those ABC bodies and put him on their rankings. If Casimero is looking for a contender like Luis Nery, it will be a long shot for him since Nery is the #1 contender by the WBC. And for all we know that belt is being held by Fulton in which Inoue is targeting when he officially moves up to this division.

Yes, 4 fight a year is not viable for any fighter in this decade to do, hehehe, 2 fights year will do for him, just tough opponents so that he will be recognized. Oh Luis Nery, that was his target way back when he was still a champion back then at 118 lbs. They have been trash talking, way back before Casimero calls Inoue or even Donaire for that matter. So it's a good choice of fight for Casimero next and for sure, they will take this personal, sort of to fuel their old rivalry back in the days.

Kidding aside, not that 4 fights per year but as long as his camp is able to secure a fight with a tough opponent and boxer with a good rank, for sure Casimero will likely be eligible again to face a World Champion. Again, just do his best to always win his next fight to gain attention.

As far as recent reports are concerned, Casimero's camp is trying to make an attempt to fight former Mexican former two-division world champion, Luis Nery. Let's see how it will go. That's a good pick.


Even with no plans on taking Fulton directly once Inoue moved up, still impossible for Bob Arum to consider Casimero, in its current state, as a better opponent for the so-called Japanese monster. Arum strongly believes that Inoue is untouchable and for him to consider Casimero, Quadro Alas should just shut down all his next opponents to make some noise.

^^ 4 fights per year might be too much for Casimero or any boxer, he is not getting any younger, so he needs to be selective on how he is going to fight next in his new division.

And probably he is not rated because his fight with Akaho is not sanctioned by any boxing organizations, so he is not recognized with that win. So although the fight was turn from NC to KO in his record, it doesn't have any bearing. That's why we said that he need to climb back the hard way again, just like what he did when he become a champion in 118 lbs. He went to title eliminator, Ricardo Franco for the interim belt, defend it against Cesar Ramirez in the Philippines then beat Zolani Tete for the regular belt. So I think he can do it again in super bantamweight.

He was stripped of the WBO bantamweight titles for using a sauna to cut down weight before a fight, but before this, he was a no-show during the official weigh-in because of gastritis well, he need to climb back up again from the bottom to prove himself once more, and because this is his fault in the 1st place he needs to earn that trust once again,


He really needs to push through that 4 fights per year if he wants to catch up again with Naoya Inoue, and surely John Riel Casimero's style in boxing is Unorthodox and you will think that he doesn't have any guard at all because in all cases his guard was always down and the only defense he got was his foot work, but in case of Naoya Inoue his reflexes should be fast enough to evade Inoue's punches because right now Naoya Inoue got lighting fast punches, so he needs to be careful about this so for me it is better to focus on building up himself 1st before taking on The Monster,

Sadly yes, as much as we know that Casimero is a good fighter and I will say that his style bring fans to the seat to watch him because he is so flamboyant and brandish, he will have to go the old style of ranking up because meeting any of the champions at 122 pounds and maybe it can include Naoya Inoue that time. But we all know that he is not stranger to this kind of test, so for sure he will welcome it and then crush the competitions like what he did at bantamweight division before becoming a champion, the hard way, the better for him, not like Inoue who is given like a jumpstart and will fight the champion in his first move in the 122 pounds.

Yes, it might be once big scenario, but I don't think that Inoue or Bob Arum will go that route, they wanted a belt in 122 lbs ASAP and so they will go against Fulton first because letting Casimero have his chance.

I think there is a big chance since he was relegated to special or super champion category that he will be given a crack on the 122 lbs Fulton without going into title elimination or mandatory challenge before facing the champion.

Yeah, even it might bring a huge crowd, but Arum will take the risk for much bigger catch, allowing Inoue to fight with the current title holder
from this division will gather more ticket sales and interest.

I agree that if that happen to Casimero it will be a jackpot or a dream match for him, but most likely Arum will not allow that and instead
of testing the new division first.

They will go directly and challenge Fulton, bigger money and if Inoue wins, he will hold another title in his belt, bigger opportunity
as well for both Arum and Inoue.

That's a wild guess but if that happened, Casimero won a jackpot lol. I don't think that will happen though.

They will never give that special opportunity right away for Casimero. I also don't think Inoue's debut will be a title fight right away but instead will face first the rank 1 contender on the Super Bantamweight before facing those champions.

Depends on Bob Arum though as even If Inoue wants to directly meet the champions right away when he moves up, it depends on his promoter.

Aside from getting embarrassed, it's not new anymore that Casimero is already having some struggles maintaining his weight at the bantamweight division. He might get lucky that time and face Paul Butler, but he will undergo the same struggle again once his body rests after every fight and might not get lucky once he's already on a head on collision course with Inoue. Sooner or later, Casimero needs to vacate the division because of that and will find himself fighting at 122 pounds.


What I'm thinking before is that Inoue or Bob Arum might chose Casimero as Inoue's foe in his debut at 122 lbs. but I guess that won't be happening this time because speculations shows that the WBO super champion will go directly against Fulton.

I might disagree with that. I'm sure that there's no such thing as top boxing councils and organizations thinking of disappointment.

It's just that Casimero is still not ranked up to be able to qualify for a much bigger fight. Simple as it is, he just needs to keep winning from now on and do everything to work on his rankings and soon, he will be eligible again to fight against top ranks or if fortunate, for another title bout.

Since Casimero started again from scratch, it will really take time for him to be in a discussion at the contender's table again but I'm sure he will be able to reach there soon. I'm biased with that expectation as part of being a long-time PH boxing enthusiast and there are reasons to be believed that it will happen.