Topic: Boxing Speculation, Odds and Predictions - page 156. (Read 29041 times)

I surely agree although Lomachenko's style is unpredictable Devin Haney has proven that his undefeated record is not for show, and this fight will surely become history or a start of a rivalry, and the fight Devin Haney VS Vasiliy Lomachenko will be announced soon, I will surely wait for this fight and this fight will be fighting that many fans are really anticipating to see,


I have seen the fight and pretty much it is much controversial because of the way Ryo Akaho's late actions like he was hurt in the back of the head seem the key for Casimero in getting the win, it is a comeback fight that many of his fans were really waiting for, I really think that they have a huge chance to win when the fight was reviewed by the boxing officials, that it was not Casimero that have punched the back of the head of Akaho, but it was Akaho who did and the wrong call of the referee that it was a knockdown to Casimero was also a misjudgment of the referee, many are furious and booing on the crowd will also been heard outside the ring,

As all of us expected, Tyson Fury won while toying Chisora.  Tyson Fury is brutal, he can end the fight early to spare Chisora of more beatings, but instead he prolonged the suffering of Chisora to 10th round.  I don't think it is for the audience as other observant stated.

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Haha, it is indeed disappointing but the fight somehow sent a message that Casimero is serious on taking the belt in this division.  I give credit to Casimero for showing us that he still has that power to make his opponent give up and to Akaho for best actor.

At the end of the day, it is respect for each boxer that counts.  Let us leave this issue to the boxing officials, I heard that there is a huge chance of granting the win to Casimero if ever they decided to change the announced result.

  I think it is pretty much obvious for many here that Tyson Fury will surely win this fight, well Tyson Fury is picking fights now and easy money is his target, and yes Chisora is not a threat to Fury anymore, and the fight just go in Fury's advantage, and on the 10th round he might be so bored with the fight he decided to end it there, but if you want to watch a great fight there are many great fights under that event, but I didn't really take a bet, while the Fury VS Chisora fight has a very one-sided odds many are not really convinced about Dereck Chisora at all,

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But the event that I am most furious about was the Casimero vs. Akaho in South Korea the fight ended in a No Contest it was due to the punch on the back of the head of Akaho, but the real punch on the back of the head was when Akaho landed it to Casimero that make John Riel Casimero get down to the ground, and this makes Casimero really furious so he gives a combination of punches to Akaho and that punch that was on the back of the head, it was just a scratch on Akaho but when the Referee makes a warning about it then Ryo Akaho just complains that the back of his head hurts it was a late reaction for Akaho just to be safe from Casimero's barrage of punches,

And because of that, I have had an acting award for Ryo Akaho who surely escape a loss to Casimero because of his acting skills, The Filipino Community is really furious with the decision and with Ryo Akaho's acting Pretty much I was really frustrated and I am still mad about the result,

This is another fight, in another level because they are both great fighters and you are right, Loma might be a slight underdog here but he has a decent chance of beating an undated Haney. Loma's style is very unpredictable, his being precise will give him the win, so Haney should be careful with his style as Loma is very good in reading styles and making the right adjustment.

Just a preview for me that Loma is back his performance is not that much impacting but giving him enough time to prepare, he can excel as he knows how to adjust very well with any types of opponents that he may have, it's just unusual to most fans who expect to see more from Loma after that long absence inside the ring.

The fight against Haney might be different since there's a belt than in stake and Loma will try his best to earn the title and upset Haney.

I know that there are several factors that might explain Lomachenko's performance against Ortiz last October but we are not really that certain to pinpoint which factor that will explain his recent fight. I'm positive that ring rust might not be a factor because his inactivity is not that long because he just got a fight last December 2021 and then started preparing for his fight versus Ortiz mid August, although, there might be but not likely. I reckon it's his age because he is not that agile enough to give Ortiz some struggles, it's the experience that helped him get through the fight and had a victory.

I haven't seen the numbers on Top Rank, maybe they didn't bid at all on this fight?

In any case here are the numbers, besides the $1.2 million bid by PBC


https://bigfightweekend.com/news/marvnation-surprisingly-wins-zepeda-prograis-purse-bid/

Maybe TR just wanted to stay away from this fight, or maybe bid less than a mil because this is very hard fight to sell to the fans. So again, let's see what the numbers will look like in this fight once released. If MarvNation make money with that huge bid or not, as boxing is business.

It is really good to see a real fight than the exhibition one because there is a connotation attached whenever we heard an exhibition game as being scripted.


I agree, since we see a good recovery since the pandemic we might see more interesting fights, just look at the fight schedule this Dec.  There are lots of good matches about to happen.


I'd rather see an exhibition than a cherry-picked fight.  At least in exhibition we know that the fight isn't that serious but watching cherry picked fight is an insult to those boxers who is supposed to be qualified on that match but was avoided.

I do agree that Taylor's left over will fight against each other because of the 3 belts that he has vacated. Or maybe he has plans to move to 147 lbs as well in the future, so 140 lbs is very much open and competitive if that happen.

And as we can see, Prograis has gotten a belt already, but Taylor beat him easily.

For MarvNation, although Prograis get the money already, this could be a lesson for them to put the money in the bank after the fight before the boxer try to cash in that paycheck. And it's good the Regis has clear the issues as well so that MarvNation's name is also being cleared.

Right, at least in cherry picking your opponents, there are chances that he might hit you with what we call Hail Mary punch and knock you out. As compare to like this exhibitions fight, there is no excitement because it's going to be just an exhibition and that's why there are boxing fans who doesn't want to watch it.

But since we are back in the normal already, we have seen great fights already this calendar year and even before it ends there are still a lot of exciting fights in the horizon, like the Roman Gonzalez vs Juan Francisco Estrada trilogy.

There are many factors that will affect a boxer's performance.  I believe it is one or some of these reasons:


Ring rust - Lomachenco being idle to long can affect his first fight performance after a long vacation
Opponent boxing style - no matter how good or great the boxer is, there is always someone who can counter it regardless if  the opponent is popular or not, undefeated or full of defeats.
Opponent size advantage and reach advantage - it greatly affects how a boxer approaches his opponent, in this case, Jamaine has a 9 cm. reach advantage, which is huge especially when the boxer knows how to use this advantage.  So it is a great feat that Lomachenco won the fight despite his disadvantages.
Mind condition - I agree that the war might take some toll on Loma's mind condition, I think he needs more rest to remove the after-war effect.
Boxer's age -  this might be debatable but I think it is one of the factor too for a boxer for a diminishing great ring performance. (though I think Loma is still in his prime)

I never doubt Loma's training session, his camp is great on doing that.


I hope they come to a positive result.  Many fans long await this fight.

That's quite a lot of questions even after Lomachenko's victory vs Jamaine Ortiz, well, I understand you guys because I'm also trying to analyze what is up to Loma. Did we really set the bar too high? Or it's just Lomachenko is already old enough to be the Loma that we've known for years? I honestly don't know as well, I even thought that the questions up our head will be answered right after the fight but I guess that just lead us to a different questions.

Maybe the war has took some toll on him, that is why he is not the same Loma we've known before. I hope his fight with Haney will be discussed by both camps so that we can move on

So both fighters are lucky and probably getting a million each in their fight? or maybe 60/40 in favor of Prograis.

Nevertheless, it was good news that he got his money and I never heard of this promotional company before, and maybe they have deep pocket (in the beginning), to bid for a good price so that they can cover. But the question is, did the fight cover the expenses or at least did they get it back? That is a huge money for this kind of fight. No disrespect to both, but they have hit the lottery when MarvNation outbid their promotions, doubled what they can offer.

I haven't heard anything about Bivol though, initially he hasn't gotten his paycheck because it was put to hold because of him being a Russian citizen. Hopefully he has the money already in his win against Canelo.

I see. I did some search too because I wondered how much was Top Rank's bid. Can't find it though. But I learned that PBC also made a bid of $1.2 million. Anyways, it's a good thing both fighters received their purse. 140 will be alive and more competitive once again after Taylor vacated his 3 belts and his last 1 after his rematch with Catterall. The arrival of Teofimo Lopez and Ryan Garcia adds more flavor to this division. It says that Ramirez fights the winner but I think the former champion will pursue the WBO belt.

We might be interested back with real fight instead of discussing exhibitions, good fighter
will come up since the pandemic hits the economy but now that some recovery is showing
we might see more fights. I mean more interesting fights that will be offered to the fans,

we might be seeing cherry-picks, but better than watching charity fights that more on the moneymaking and not an actual fight that we will see real punches and close fist engagements.

I'm interested with this fight because when Fury fights, the fight is very exciting to watch. However, I just hope that he would choose a good opponent, someone who has a championship caliber, not an old boxer that are close to retirement age already. By the way, I love Roman Gonzales and Juan Francisco Estrada than this one.

But still it is a WBC belt fight. It cant be not interesting. Who cares if it is a cherry-picked fight or not, both fighters will get this fight in their record and huge money rewards. Besides, this is a heavyweight fight; a fight where a single punch can be a game changer. Anyway, strange that no one is interested in that fight, and to see a daily discussion of a boxer against youtuber fights (Pacquiao vs. DK Yoo, or Logan vs anyone).

Yes, it was MarvNation who won the bid, Probellum (Prograis promoter) bid $1,060,000 and Zanfer (Zepeda's promoter) bid  $1,004,500.

MarvNation bid a huge $2 million, but as of the latest, Prograis said that he got his bread already

Here is the video, maybe the bank just didn't clear it up as early because of the huge money involved or perhaps if Prograis didn't go to his social media, the money might be delayed.

https://twitter.com/RPrograis/status/1598430284600451093

It would be a good and a bad thing.  Good because Canelo will be fighting in his comfortable weight division, and bad because there is a possibility that his title will be put on the line.  I think a catchweight would be the best option and both titles should be on the line which makes it way more interesting.


   That would be insane if they don't allow Bivol to rehydrate, why not tell Bivol to knock himself out during the fight? 

Why not? This will be a true test for Canelo, how good he really is, by accepting Bivol to go down in weight.

And isn't it that will be in his advantage? Bivol is not a 168 lbs, he never fought in this division in his career. So all advantage points to Canelo in this fight, so why not give it to Bivol?

So yeah, we will hear another excuses for Canelo and Hearn, or maybe they will include like rehydration clause that Bivol can't go and rehydrate to this x weight during the fight. Meaning he can still weight drain Bivol even if he made 168 lbs in their fight night.