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Press conference for Prograis vs Zepeda

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X_TolZxAEbs

Great fight and as I have said this could be war between this two 140 lbs fighters. They have something to proved here, so they are going to push themselves.

Prograis still the huge favorite here at 1.20 and Zepeda at 4.40, Stake.com odds.

Well, I am not against this kind of thing, yes Floyd Mayweather has started it all, but let's just hope Manny Pacquaio could give us better entertainment, but on his 1st exhibition match I highly doubt it will be entertaining because DK Yoo is not really a boxer, and doesn't have any professional fights even though he is a master of Martial arts, I really think he can not withstand the power punch of a Manny Pacquiao,

And I'd still hope a Manny Pacquiao VS Floyd Mayweather takes place, in the near future, maybe the last fight for Mayweather, that would be big money for sure, and if Mayweather would not be tempted in getting it I really don't know what else could make him say yes,


That win from Juan Manuel Marquez was not a fluke he have seen a clear opening and taking it was a risk but he still takes it because he is much losing to Manny Pacquiao at that time, it was a do-or-die thing for him, I was really shocked and I think many Filipino was really shock in utter dis-belief in seen their iconic hero face down the canvas, not moving at all, and many didn't really think it could be a win for Juan Manuel Marquez, that day but still, it has marked history in boxing that anything is really possible even though they have thought that Manny Pacquiao could win this it is really possible that something like this could happen,

It's actually a win for Pacquiao back then but he was so careless and didn't think lightly during that time. He's about to win that match but suddenly, he became so aggressive, and Marquez saw an opening. And the sad truth between these two great fighters of our time, we will never see them again to have fight against each other.

Well, yeah! We can still remember those matches. We just added some numbers to our ages. 

Well, Shakur is a boxer who is always looking for the best. Could it be that he wants to move up in category so that he can be much more famous? he wants to do the Russian Bivol thing, who doesn't want rematches with anyone right now, just win titles and get a lot of fame to make good fights and have so much fame that each fight makes them win a lot of money, that's what they really want, if they fight esclar is because apart from fame, they want money and I don't blame them, it's a very hard sport, they risk their lives in an impressive way, if they can get money from it, it's the most logical thing and it's well deserved.

In this order of ideas I base myself to think that this is possibly what the boxer Shakur wants, basically a boxer I imagine who seeks the same goals.


Well we all know very well that Paquiao is a boxer who will always give his best and for the show too, in addition we know that Pacquiao's style is very explosive from a start and it is an honor to have him to see him box, knowing that he is a legend it is very obvious that the tendency will always be for him to win, this is something that cannot be denied, for me Pacquiao is a boxer who always determines the course of every fight, he is the one who will give a before and after, no there is another way to see it and he will win because I don't see any other way to see Pacquiao in an exhibition fight, I can't deny that I would like him to return to boxing like before.

The fight between manny pacman Pacquiao vs manuell Marquez for me is one of the best fight in the history of boxing because their fight runs until  4 fight because of rematch but still that fight is not a small fight as we all know that fighters are very strong and very strategic in terms of fighting. That lucky punches by Marquez makes manny pacman down in the ring as we all know that manny controlled the fight but when he is in greediness to knock down his opponent then a lucky punch make him as sleep for a while.

We are not that old, because we can still remember it. 
It's true. Most of Marquez's counters are accurately done and Manny is getting frustrated because of it. I think that is one of the reasons why he came back for more punches which became one of the biggest mistakes in his career. Well, that's the after-effect of a counter strategy to make you lose your temper and throw your game out.

Pride and honor before and without a doubt even non-sports enthusiasts are going to wait for the match and get PPV.
Now, it's way different, exhibition matches left and right.

Marquez was unbelievable that time, most of the fans thinks that it will be a win for Pacquiao but that lucky punch that landed solidly
and give him the win.

I agree that it was one of the biggest upsets as this was part of that long-series rivalries between Pacquaio and the Mexican fighters,

maybe or not maybe it was the reality back then that pride is greater than money unlike now, money is more than anything.

Damn, how long was that when it happened? It's so long, right? Are we this old already?
I can remember that counterpunch that made Pacquiao fell for his knees when Marquez got him right there. That's also where everyone thought of that there could always be one lucky punch, a counter or not that's going to be done which will make an upset.

when it comes to fighting, having a new coach will always make a difference, I think that Jack Catterall should not underestimate how much a new coach can bring changes to an athlete, of course it is also necessary for the athlete to have a lot of time to prepare with the new coach and if the athlete doesn't have a good physique then even the new coach will teach him a lot of things, it won't help if he's fighting a guy who has twice his physique, and honestly looking at these two fighters I I can not stop laughing


most of the time it's hard to see these changes that the fighter had thanks to the new trainer, especially in the Boxing, when it's MMA, at least the person can see some new moves, but in the Boxing it's very difficult to notice any change, I particularly can't see it, but for this fight if it took place I would bet on Jack Catterall, I think he would beat Josh Taylor, eid see the odds and if it would also be possible to make a multibet bet if the fight actually takes place, for now I just follow the news about the fight

That's one of the most unforgettable counterpunches that I've seen in boxing history and also one of the biggest upsets.
Pacquiao can literally just go away in those final seconds of Round 6 and he already won that round. But that is not his style so keep on attacking and Marquez caught an opening that knock the hell Pacquiao down. It's still fresh in my memory.
IQ and the right timing. I bet he went thru lots of practice to master that kind of technique. It's not easy because it's just a millisecond of a chance to make it land.

Aside from boxing IQ, it's clear that Marquez is really hungry to defeat Pacquiao as it was a big achievement that's why all of his determination was put into that fight unlike when Marquez is fighting other boxers. That contributes to his eagerness to win the fight. Pacquiao on the other hand is just playing business and even if he loses that fight, he still takes home the biggest purse. Not saying Marquez has a bit of luck but when he fought Pacquiao where he won, that's not the same fierce and aggressive Pacquiao that he fought in their early meetings.

^^ Yes mate, as per this news:

https://www.boxingscene.com/josh-taylor-replaces-trainer-ben-davison-with-coach-joe-mcnally--169715


I haven't check the background of Joe McNally though, but it seems as per the report that he guided, Liam Smith  David Price to name a few.

As per the numbers, it's very close, that's why the fight can go either way.

Did Josh Taylor change trainers? I didn't know that. About the first fight between Taylor and Jack Catterall, I heard more people thought Catterall won. I watched that fight but I haven't scored it since I am doing something at that time. I haven't watched the punch stats either but it could be that Catterall landed more. Although from what I'd seen, it was still Taylor that was the stronger fighter and he landed the harder shots. It was supposed to be an easy fight for Taylor, it was probably just an off-night for him but it could be the trash-talking and the weigh-in scuffle when Catterall grabbed his neck that lost his focus.   

My hats off to Taylor though that he is up for the rematch like a real man. It was supposed to be his last fight at 140 and then shift his focus to winning other belts at 147. I am hoping for an upset but my mind says that when Taylor is at his best, he is just way too good for the likes of Catterall. Taylor will stop Catterall or at least cruise to a very clear unanimous decision.

Yes, we can only see those changes inside the ring, and I think more than that, how the new coach will motivate Josh in this fight. Trainers is not just to train their boxers and prepare them, it is also very important to give them instructions that will push them to their limits specially if they are down in a fight.

I've seen a lot of trainers trying every trick in the book inspire their boxers in a highly competitive fight and most of the time it is very effective.

I mean, you see your boxers, really down and he needs to win by a knock out, you will have to really provoke something inside of him to turn the tide and win the fight via the best way, to knock your opponent down.

I think fighting IQ is the biggest factor in winning a fight when it goes a distance.  No matter how many times a boxer change trainer if his ring IQ is too low, it will only result in a loss.  I agree that ring adjustment is way better than having a new trainer because when a player is able to adjust to his opponent, he can counter and make the suppose to be the advantage of an opponent its weakness. One example is how Marquez made Pacquiao's forward punch assault its weakness by knocking him while doing that kind of attack.

We will only know what are the adjustments and how fighters recreate existing fighting styles to fit with their skills when they are already inside the ring and fighting with their opponents, the executions of their fighting styles will reflects and for most fighters they are not staying with one fighting style they keep adjusting to make sure that they can compete and the opponent can't dominate them.

I agree it is hard to forget the old ways but there are people who are capable of adapting and absorbing new techniques, even modifying their previous style with the improved one.  It is true that there is a possibility that Josh will come back to his old style but I believe that is the reason why there is months of training and preparation before the two boxer fight.  But whatever, I think we can only see the truth via watching it on the scheduled fight.

Well you can say that to Anthony Joshua as well, he did Robert Garcia as his new trainer but the result is the same, he lost to Usyk.

The case though with Taylor is that he didn't lost the fight, he won it although a bit controversial. Perhaps he think that he need to change things up, but when you have been in this sports for a long time and become a champion like him, it might be hard to relearn things.

Yes, for sure his new trainer will point his weaknesses, but once they go and fight and punch each other in the face again, he could be back to his old habits again.

And as Mike Tyson put it, "Everyone has a plan, till they got punch in the mouth".

But the thing is Josh Taylor isn't a dog.    He is human which is capable of learning many tricks.   A new trainer may point out Josh Taylor's weaknesses that his previous trainer failed to notice.  I agree that we can still see the style his previous trainer taught him but for sure we can also see a different approach this time that he has a new trainer.

And speaking of this fight, Jack says that he is not worried that Josh is getting a new trainer:


As the saying goes, you can't teach a dog new trick, so I do agree with Jack here. Not sure what changes will Josh and his new trainer will do in this fight. What kind of strategy to offset the style of Jack and his aggressive. For sure Josh still has this in his mind that he almost lost this fight and all his belts and that's why he did get a new trainer.