Topic: Boxing Speculation, Odds and Predictions - page 162. (Read 31673 times)

Sadly yes, as much as we know that Casimero is a good fighter and I will say that his style bring fans to the seat to watch him because he is so flamboyant and brandish, he will have to go the old style of ranking up because meeting any of the champions at 122 pounds and maybe it can include Naoya Inoue that time. But we all know that he is not stranger to this kind of test, so for sure he will welcome it and then crush the competitions like what he did at bantamweight division before becoming a champion, the hard way, the better for him, not like Inoue who is given like a jumpstart and will fight the champion in his first move in the 122 pounds.

Yes, it might be once big scenario, but I don't think that Inoue or Bob Arum will go that route, they wanted a belt in 122 lbs ASAP and so they will go against Fulton first because letting Casimero have his chance.

I think there is a big chance since he was relegated to special or super champion category that he will be given a crack on the 122 lbs Fulton without going into title elimination or mandatory challenge before facing the champion.

Yeah, even it might bring a huge crowd, but Arum will take the risk for much bigger catch, allowing Inoue to fight with the current title holder
from this division will gather more ticket sales and interest.

I agree that if that happen to Casimero it will be a jackpot or a dream match for him, but most likely Arum will not allow that and instead
of testing the new division first.

They will go directly and challenge Fulton, bigger money and if Inoue wins, he will hold another title in his belt, bigger opportunity
as well for both Arum and Inoue.

That's a wild guess but if that happened, Casimero won a jackpot lol. I don't think that will happen though.

They will never give that special opportunity right away for Casimero. I also don't think Inoue's debut will be a title fight right away but instead will face first the rank 1 contender on the Super Bantamweight before facing those champions.

Depends on Bob Arum though as even If Inoue wants to directly meet the champions right away when he moves up, it depends on his promoter.

Aside from getting embarrassed, it's not new anymore that Casimero is already having some struggles maintaining his weight at the bantamweight division. He might get lucky that time and face Paul Butler, but he will undergo the same struggle again once his body rests after every fight and might not get lucky once he's already on a head on collision course with Inoue. Sooner or later, Casimero needs to vacate the division because of that and will find himself fighting at 122 pounds.


What I'm thinking before is that Inoue or Bob Arum might chose Casimero as Inoue's foe in his debut at 122 lbs. but I guess that won't be happening this time because speculations shows that the WBO super champion will go directly against Fulton.

I might disagree with that. I'm sure that there's no such thing as top boxing councils and organizations thinking of disappointment.

It's just that Casimero is still not ranked up to be able to qualify for a much bigger fight. Simple as it is, he just needs to keep winning from now on and do everything to work on his rankings and soon, he will be eligible again to fight against top ranks or if fortunate, for another title bout.

Since Casimero started again from scratch, it will really take time for him to be in a discussion at the contender's table again but I'm sure he will be able to reach there soon. I'm biased with that expectation as part of being a long-time PH boxing enthusiast and there are reasons to be believed that it will happen.

The Philippines right now doesn't have any belts but there are upcoming younger fighters that are surely promising yesterday there are a fight in Bangkok, Thailand the venue was Spaceplus Bangkok RCA the event was called Fire & Fury



Were 2 Filipinos fought their way to get the Asian Boxing Federation Flyweight and Asian Boxing Federation Welterweight Title belts and emerged victorious the event was 3 fights and consisted of

Miel Fajardo VS Sarawut Jiamthong

Fajardo won via KO/TKO left hook, in the 1st round, his original fight was against Adisak Ketpiam but later change to Sarawut Jiamthong instead, and pretty much the fight was in the 10th round but Miel Fajardo won it in the 1st round, and gotten the Asian Boxing Federation Flyweight Title belt,

Toshihiko Era VS Silem Serang

Not a Filipino but a Japanese guy who pretty much won against Silem Serang, and have a KO/TKO in the 5th round, and got himself with Asian Boxing Federation Light Flyweight Title belt,

Ador Torres VS  Meechaiya Kaiwiset

The Original fight for Ador Torres was Watthana Niamsuwan but it was canceled and changed to Meechaiya Kaiwiset pretty he finished the fight in round 4 with a KO/TKO and win the Asian Boxing Federation Welterweight Title belt,


I know all of these fights are pretty new, but eventually, their boxers will surely increase their skills, and over time they can surely make their way to the national title shot,
 

Even after the fact that Casimero had achieved titles in various divisions, the governing bodies are thinking that all of it was pointless because they are likely disappointed by what happened recently that led to the worse case scenario where Casimero had to be stripped by his belt. Now, he is back to zero where he have to make his name great again and climb throughout the ranks so that he will be given some points by the governing bodies to fight against the champion or to the mandatory challengers.

I think he is too embarrassed on how this career at 118 lbs turns out, he was about to make the biggest fight of his career against Inoue, unfortunately, bad decisions lead him nowhere, now campaigning at 122 lbs and he is on a collision with Inoue. So there are still chance that we can see them fight.


Casimero though is not given preferential treatment like Inoue, so he needs to go fight and earn his spot in the super bantamweight and maybe we will see him and Inoue finally in the ring together. I I think he is still on the radar of Inoue after what he has said on the champion when they are campaigning at bantamweight.

Well, it is the opportunity that Donaire can shine, although it is a pity because Inoue showed that he is the best and the undisputed winner, now if Nonito Donaire is crowned the best, what will happen if he returns to the 115lb category? It is not better and with a higher level that a boxer can ascend to not be in a better position, have a better future and if they have a higher category in context, they may have a better chance of being more famous, earning more money and making more history of the one they have done, I think that this is something that can happen, whether Inpue has left the way clear.



From everything they've said, I'm also in favor of having a fight against a very tough boxer against Inoue, I think Inoue is up to fighting against the best, and if he goes up in category it's much better because that way he will take the fame he wants, now what I think is the following, if Casimero challenged him, why doesn't he accept the challenge let's see.

Inoue is a boxer who has very good technique, and apart from that he has great discipline, it would be good to amuse all the fans, I think Inoue's sponsor should put him in contact with his representative to see how it can be organized a good meeting.

Stephen Fulton-Naoya Inoue: The WBO Opens a Window




Source: https://www.boxingscene.com/stephen-fulton-naoya-inoue-wbo-opens-window--171337

The World Boxing Organization, which had Casimero as its previous bantamweight champion, is also not kind. According to its December top fifteen rating update, there is no Casimero. With his victory over Akaho and the fact that he has won titles in a variety of divisions, Casimero is still not listed in any major boxing organizations. If this man wanted to get a rating, he needs to keep fighting for the next months.  He can fight four times next year if becoming mandatory is the only way to get noticed by the champions. That will be impressive enough to compete against any champion the following year.

He sure do need to go through the ranks before he can face any champions at 122 pounds and become a mandatory challenger because he doesn't have any perks that Naoya Inoue have. Aside from that, Casimero also don't have the likes of Bob Arum who do have strong ties to the governing bodies that will give him some favors. We don't need to prove that statement because it's already clear that political ties are far more important in this era.

There was this article before that.
https://www.boxingscene.com/jose-ramirez-im-not-afraid-regis-prograis-i-just-know-my-worth-how-big-fight--171361

Crap. Just because of money and the companies behind them, another fight will not come to life.
Well, I do agree on Ramirez's side that it was an insult to them but c'mon you are the challenger, you are fighting a title holder.
What happened to the "title first, before money" belief?
As if he will get another chance sooner if he passes this up. If he can really beat Prograis then do it, if Ramirez will be the champion then he could do the same split to whoever will try to steal the title from him.

It's not an easy task at first and I'm sure of that but because of how disciplined Inoue is with himself, he can do any hard training before his fight and condition his body to take power punches from his heavier opponents.

If he can also dominate his next weight division, then this man is truly a living legend and it's really hard to cheat against him because he beat most of his opponents by knockout. His fight is now a blockbuster whenever he has a fight, it will be always sold out. everyone is so excited because whenever he fights, he can always find a way to knock his opponent out.

I believe that Arum will take the risk only if he sees that his cash cow is already ripe and ready to conquer this new division, with the strength and power of Inoue the chance of eliminating Fulton is possible, the new division is not by far so adjustment can be done, preparation wise, Inoue and his camp got enough to practice and train to condition his body from his new chosen weight.

We don't know yet if what will be the actual decision but after Inoue collects all the belt from his current division, it's time for him now to explore and try making his way to another one and collect more.

Can't really say that for sure because the time was not on their side in the first place and because of the pandemic and its ever growing variant, both camps decided to part ways and face another boxer that will be catered in their available timeline. Anyway, let's just put that behind and hope that someday in the future, their path will cross again because they are now in the same weight class again.

Just to give an update regarding Prograis vs Jose Ramirez, and it looks like the fight is not going to happen because Team Ramirez felt disrespected by the offer of 65-35 split in favor of Prograis,


https://www.boxingscene.com/ramirez-on-prograis-title-shot-pisses-me-off-im-being-thrown-under-bus--171400

Not sure why the WBC would have to decreed that purse split, Ramirez is a former 140 lbs, and then there is the boxing politics behind Top Rank not willing to work with Prograis promotional company Probellum.

Regardless of what Arum wanted, it looks like he is supportive of Inoue's plan of conquering the 122 lbs.  Just like what Arum stated the other day,  he thinks that no one will beat Inoue and expects Inoue to be able to unify the 122 division and be undisputed in the two different weight divisions. 



It looks like Casimero needs to rank up in order for him to be noticed and become a mandatory challenger for the 122 lbs title and possibly have a match with Inoue. 

I'm with you on that sentiment.

Naoya Inoue truly deserves to face a much tougher and stronger opponent rather than giving him a fight that just looks like a mere tune-up fight, I get what Bob Arum thinks but that is not what Inoue need and want. Facing Stephen Fulton directly will be a challenge to the super champion of course but I do think that Inoue can pretty much handle it and 122 pounds is not that far from bantamweight division, so I guess he won't have some struggles on this new weight class.

Casimero and Inoue is supposed to face each other on April 202o but due to pandemic the supposed face off between Casimero and Inoue was cancelled and never had a chance to reschedule until now.  After the fight was cancelled and the heat of provocation of Casimero (when he had the title) to have a fight against Inoue,  Inoue released a statement that he isn't interested to have a unification fight against Casimero[1].  Probably that was the reason why many Casimero fans thinks that Inoue is ducking casimero.  Then later when Casimero was stripped of the belt, Inoue decided to have a unification fight against Butler.

And now Bob Arum wanted Inoue to have a straight journey to title fight disregarding the ranking (probably influenced the WBO officials) by making Inoue WBO Super Champion.  What ever the reason it do look like Inoue is avoiding Casimero at all cost.

---

[1] https://www.spin.ph/boxing/naoya-inoue-doesnt-want-anything-to-do-with-johnriel-casimero-a793-20211225