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Quote from: inthelongrun on December 23, 2022, 01:49:46 PM

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Quote from: YuginKadoya on December 22, 2022, 12:24:01 AM

If I am not wrong with the record that I have seen online I think the Philippines is currently just Holding 1 belt, and that is non-other than Quadro Alas John Riel Casimero holding the WBO World Bantamweight Title that is why he badly needed a fight as long as he can still fight inside the ring, for me that Naoya Inoue fight is a risk for John Riel Casimero for now, I think he needs to get easy title fights for him to surely solidify him having multiple title belts,
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Yes, in fact, this is true and the Philippines does not have a representative of their country in the rank of the holder of the boxing champion belt here you can see the current list of current world champions as of December 2022 https://champinon.info/

It was supposed to be Casimero who still hold a belt, unfortunately, because of his carelessness, he lose his belt via disqualification. Last time I remember, Nietes and Magsayo both losses their belt before Casimero losses his, so for now, we have no boxer that is currently a champion. No boxer in the PH that has an achievement close to Pacman, sorry to say that, but that's the reality.

The Philippines has zero world champions at the moment since Nonito Donaire, Johnreil Casimero, Rene Mark Cuarto and Mark Magsayo lost their belts this year. But there are title fights coming up for Filipinos and hopefully, upsets happen. I agree with Oasisman's statement earlier saying the lack of support is a huge factor. Many prospects are forced to travel to opponents' backyards and lost to questionable hometown decisions.

Champinon.info is new to me. And looking at their list, the Philippines has a world champion, Dave Apolinario. Unfortunately, the IBO belt is not a major belt. Many times the IBO has popular champions like GGG and Usyk because they just award their belts in order to promote their organization.

I think there is one that I read that become a champion but yeah, it's not a major belt so this is not considered per se as champion for the Philippines.

And I guess we can't really rely on the numbers for now, there could be years wherein the Philippines is really enjoying like when Manny is hovering the flags for the Philippines as there are many who follow on his footsteps.

But when he retired, boxing seems to be looking for a new champion that will carry the flag again for the country.

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Quote from: Sanitough on December 23, 2022, 09:09:33 AM

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Quote from: YuginKadoya on December 22, 2022, 12:24:01 AM

If I am not wrong with the record that I have seen online I think the Philippines is currently just Holding 1 belt, and that is non-other than Quadro Alas John Riel Casimero holding the WBO World Bantamweight Title that is why he badly needed a fight as long as he can still fight inside the ring, for me that Naoya Inoue fight is a risk for John Riel Casimero for now, I think he needs to get easy title fights for him to surely solidify him having multiple title belts,
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Yes, in fact, this is true and the Philippines does not have a representative of their country in the rank of the holder of the boxing champion belt here you can see the current list of current world champions as of December 2022 https://champinon.info/

It was supposed to be Casimero who still hold a belt, unfortunately, because of his carelessness, he lose his belt via disqualification. Last time I remember, Nietes and Magsayo both losses their belt before Casimero losses his, so for now, we have no boxer that is currently a champion. No boxer in the PH that has an achievement close to Pacman, sorry to say that, but that's the reality.

The Philippines has zero world champions at the moment since Nonito Donaire, Johnreil Casimero, Rene Mark Cuarto and Mark Magsayo lost their belts this year. But there are title fights coming up for Filipinos and hopefully, upsets happen. I agree with Oasisman's statement earlier saying the lack of support is a huge factor. Many prospects are forced to travel to opponents' backyards and lost to questionable hometown decisions.

Champinon.info is new to me. And looking at their list, the Philippines has a world champion, Dave Apolinario. Unfortunately, the IBO belt is not a major belt. Many times the IBO has popular champions like GGG and Usyk because they just award their belts in order to promote their organization.

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Quote from: Daltonik on December 23, 2022, 08:15:32 AM

Quote from: YuginKadoya on December 22, 2022, 12:24:01 AM

If I am not wrong with the record that I have seen online I think the Philippines is currently just Holding 1 belt, and that is non-other than Quadro Alas John Riel Casimero holding the WBO World Bantamweight Title that is why he badly needed a fight as long as he can still fight inside the ring, for me that Naoya Inoue fight is a risk for John Riel Casimero for now, I think he needs to get easy title fights for him to surely solidify him having multiple title belts,
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Yes, in fact, this is true and the Philippines does not have a representative of their country in the rank of the holder of the boxing champion belt here you can see the current list of current world champions as of December 2022 https://champinon.info/

It was supposed to be Casimero who still hold a belt, unfortunately, because of his carelessness, he lose his belt via disqualification. Last time I remember, Nietes and Magsayo both losses their belt before Casimero losses his, so for now, we have no boxer that is currently a champion. No boxer in the PH that has an achievement close to Pacman, sorry to say that, but that's the reality.

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Quote from: YuginKadoya on December 22, 2022, 12:24:01 AM

If I am not wrong with the record that I have seen online I think the Philippines is currently just Holding 1 belt, and that is non-other than Quadro Alas John Riel Casimero holding the WBO World Bantamweight Title that is why he badly needed a fight as long as he can still fight inside the ring, for me that Naoya Inoue fight is a risk for John Riel Casimero for now, I think he needs to get easy title fights for him to surely solidify him having multiple title belts,
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Yes, in fact, this is true and the Philippines does not have a representative of their country in the rank of the holder of the boxing champion belt here you can see the current list of current world champions as of December 2022 https://champinon.info/

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Probably, although he shows intention to move down to 115 lbs, but that idea may have been scrapped already since Inoue is moving up and Donaire can stay at 118 lbs and still win at least one final belt before he will retire for good.

Nonito vs Moloney could be a good one, although we know that Nonito is aging and who knows, maybe past his prime. But I still think that he can win against Moloney.

And hopefully this can be finalized for next year. And for sure, we are all excited to see Nonito once again.

Same here, excited to once again see the Filipino Flash back on the ring as this could be his last dance before he hang up the gloves for good. Though he is now past his prime but a fight against anybody not named Inoue will be competitive in my opinion. Donaire vs Moloney is a good fight and i think it should happen at 118 lbs.

Meanwhile, the result of the fight between Casimero vs Akaho last December 3 was overturned from a "no contest" to a 2nd round KO for Casimero, so congrats once again to Team Quadro Alas.

https://www.gmanetwork.com/news/sports/othersports/855186/casimero-vs-akaho-result-overturned-to-knockout/story/

That is encouraging news for the boxing fans in Philippines. On social media, Casimero supporters frequently criticize Inoue. His position for any subsequent Inoue match would be solidified by the victory at their new division.

The new objective of Donaire is to drop weight again in order to become a world champion in all five divisions. At this time in his aging career, it sounds like a very risky move. Instead, Donaire would seize this opportunity to compete against Moloney for the vacant title. I genuinely figure Donaire will beat Moloney. When Donaire strikes the Australian with his powerful punches, it is unlikely that he will survive.

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Quote from: lionheart78 on December 21, 2022, 11:48:09 PM

Inoue - Fulton fight made possible after Naoya Inoue made WBO ‘Super Champion’ At 118, can become Stephen's Fulton mandatory at 122[1]

According to the article, the undisputed bantamweight champion Naoya Inoue has been made the WBO "Super Champion". This means that if ever Inoue goes up in weight he will be a mandatory challenger for WBC/WBO 122 lbs champion Stephen Fulton. So Inoue would be skipping the rank and and fight directly for a title fight against Fulton if he petitions the sanctioning body.

Inoue moving up will give way for the possible Maloney-Donaire fight for the vacant title belt. It was stated that it was ordered by the commission that if ever Inoue vacate the title these two fighters will have a mandatory fight for the vacant world champion.

[1] https://www.boxingnews24.com/2022/12/naoya-inoue-made-wbo-super-champion-at-118-can-become-stephen-fultons-mandatory-at-122/

Makes sense why Donaire stayed at the bantamweight after his defeat because he knows that Inoue will soon leave the division and that leaves him a chance to be a champion again. I just thought that he will go down at the super-fly because that is what he said, but I guess that already changed since he will be fighting against Maloney if the undisputed will vacate his belt.

And for Inoue, that's a hell of a leap he'll be doing if he will vacate his belts because he will be facing one of the champions at 122 lbs. already. I wonder if Bob Arum feels great about this too because I know that he would want Inoue to have a test first before a title fight at 122. Also, I have a question. What will happen if Inoue rejects this mandatory fight? He doesn't have any belts to be stripped of if he will do that because he will be renewed once he climbs. Just wondering.

I don't think that Naoya needs some test in the 122 lbs, it's just 4 lbs away and from what we have seen on Casimero, he moves up in weight and bring his power against Akaho in the super bantamweight.

For sure Arum and Top Rank are very much confident that Inoue can past the litmus test at 122 lbs as well. Fulton will be a tough match, but then again, with his power and improved defense and movement, I think he can dethroned Fulton in a very tough but very competitive fight.

Arum will weight the chances and if he sees that there is more money to be earned once Inoue will move to this new division, we will see him
negotiating with the other camps.

It will be a big test for Inoue, but with his skills adjustment can be done and the chance of dethroning Fulton is possible
he just need to be more comfortable in this new weight.

Though the final say will still depend on how Arum sees the opportunities in making more money out from Inoue.

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Quote from: mirakal on December 22, 2022, 01:49:55 PM

Quote from: lionheart78 on December 21, 2022, 11:48:09 PM

Inoue - Fulton fight made possible after Naoya Inoue made WBO ‘Super Champion’ At 118, can become Stephen's Fulton mandatory at 122[1]

According to the article, the undisputed bantamweight champion Naoya Inoue has been made the WBO "Super Champion". This means that if ever Inoue goes up in weight he will be a mandatory challenger for WBC/WBO 122 lbs champion Stephen Fulton. So Inoue would be skipping the rank and and fight directly for a title fight against Fulton if he petitions the sanctioning body.

Inoue moving up will give way for the possible Maloney-Donaire fight for the vacant title belt. It was stated that it was ordered by the commission that if ever Inoue vacate the title these two fighters will have a mandatory fight for the vacant world champion.

[1] https://www.boxingnews24.com/2022/12/naoya-inoue-made-wbo-super-champion-at-118-can-become-stephen-fultons-mandatory-at-122/

Makes sense why Donaire stayed at the bantamweight after his defeat because he knows that Inoue will soon leave the division and that leaves him a chance to be a champion again. I just thought that he will go down at the super-fly because that is what he said, but I guess that already changed since he will be fighting against Maloney if the undisputed will vacate his belt.

And for Inoue, that's a hell of a leap he'll be doing if he will vacate his belts because he will be facing one of the champions at 122 lbs. already. I wonder if Bob Arum feels great about this too because I know that he would want Inoue to have a test first before a title fight at 122. Also, I have a question. What will happen if Inoue rejects this mandatory fight? He doesn't have any belts to be stripped of if he will do that because he will be renewed once he climbs. Just wondering.

I don't think that Naoya needs some test in the 122 lbs, it's just 4 lbs away and from what we have seen on Casimero, he moves up in weight and bring his power against Akaho in the super bantamweight.

For sure Arum and Top Rank are very much confident that Inoue can past the litmus test at 122 lbs as well. Fulton will be a tough match, but then again, with his power and improved defense and movement, I think he can dethroned Fulton in a very tough but very competitive fight.

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Quote from: Silberman on December 22, 2022, 10:42:35 PM

Quote from: Fredomago on December 22, 2022, 06:55:48 PM

I'm all in with Donaire if he will be given another shot with the title match, once Inoue move up and try his shot to another division, we don't know what his fate on that decision but with his skills and power the fighting capabilities is really high for him to win. Moving back with the vacant belt and mandatory fight, Donaire would be great if he will claim one title for the country since we don't have anything as of now and it will be a good hype for pinoy fighters to start chasing those belt back to our pride.

If Inoue moves away from the division then it should be relatively easy for Donaire to get another belt as the four of them will be vacant at the same time, however everything depends on Inoue, if for some reason he does not want to move at the moment or his promoter forbids this move then Donaire will have to think about what to do next, because as we know even if he is still a very good fighter the amount of money a boxer can charge on each one of his fights goes up significantly if he is holding a belt, and there is little doubt Donaire will want to maximize as much as he can the money he can earn as he is already 40 years old.

He doesn't have to prove anything at bantamweight, he has gotten all the belts, beaten all the champions and contender in this division.

So what else do you expect him to do but to move up in weight as there are no one stopping him, not even Bob will try to do that if Inoue wanted to go up to super bantamweight and take another belt.

So it's going to be free for all at bantamweight now with Donaire getting the inside track with at least eyeing one belt.

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Quote from: Fredomago on December 22, 2022, 06:55:48 PM

I'm all in with Donaire if he will be given another shot with the title match, once Inoue move up and try his shot to another division, we don't know what his fate on that decision but with his skills and power the fighting capabilities is really high for him to win. Moving back with the vacant belt and mandatory fight, Donaire would be great if he will claim one title for the country since we don't have anything as of now and it will be a good hype for pinoy fighters to start chasing those belt back to our pride.

If Inoue moves away from the division then it should be relatively easy for Donaire to get another belt as the four of them will be vacant at the same time, however everything depends on Inoue, if for some reason he does not want to move at the moment or his promoter forbids this move then Donaire will have to think about what to do next, because as we know even if he is still a very good fighter the amount of money a boxer can charge on each one of his fights goes up significantly if he is holding a belt, and there is little doubt Donaire will want to maximize as much as he can the money he can earn as he is already 40 years old.

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Quote from: mirakal on December 22, 2022, 01:49:55 PM

Quote from: lionheart78 on December 21, 2022, 11:48:09 PM

Inoue - Fulton fight made possible after Naoya Inoue made WBO ‘Super Champion’ At 118, can become Stephen's Fulton mandatory at 122[1]

According to the article, the undisputed bantamweight champion Naoya Inoue has been made the WBO "Super Champion". This means that if ever Inoue goes up in weight he will be a mandatory challenger for WBC/WBO 122 lbs champion Stephen Fulton. So Inoue would be skipping the rank and and fight directly for a title fight against Fulton if he petitions the sanctioning body.

Inoue moving up will give way for the possible Maloney-Donaire fight for the vacant title belt. It was stated that it was ordered by the commission that if ever Inoue vacate the title these two fighters will have a mandatory fight for the vacant world champion.

[1] https://www.boxingnews24.com/2022/12/naoya-inoue-made-wbo-super-champion-at-118-can-become-stephen-fultons-mandatory-at-122/

Makes sense why Donaire stayed at the bantamweight after his defeat because he knows that Inoue will soon leave the division and that leaves him a chance to be a champion again. I just thought that he will go down at the super-fly because that is what he said, but I guess that already changed since he will be fighting against Maloney if the undisputed will vacate his belt.

And for Inoue, that's a hell of a leap he'll be doing if he will vacate his belts because he will be facing one of the champions at 122 lbs. already. I wonder if Bob Arum feels great about this too because I know that he would want Inoue to have a test first before a title fight at 122. Also, I have a question. What will happen if Inoue rejects this mandatory fight? He doesn't have any belts to be stripped of if he will do that because he will be renewed once he climbs. Just wondering.

I'm all in with Donaire if he will be given another shot with the title match, once Inoue move up and try his shot to another division, we don't know what his fate on that decision but with his skills and power the fighting capabilities is really high for him to win. Moving back with the vacant belt and mandatory fight, Donaire would be great if he will claim one title for the country since we don't have anything as of now and it will be a good hype for pinoy fighters to start chasing those belt back to our pride.

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Quote from: Baofeng on December 22, 2022, 02:46:12 PM

Probably, although he shows intention to move down to 115 lbs, but that idea may have been scrapped already since Inoue is moving up and Donaire can stay at 118 lbs and still win at least one final belt before he will retire for good.

Nonito vs Moloney could be a good one, although we know that Nonito is aging and who knows, maybe past his prime. But I still think that he can win against Moloney.

And hopefully this can be finalized for next year. And for sure, we are all excited to see Nonito once again.

Same here, excited to once again see the Filipino Flash back on the ring as this could be his last dance before he hang up the gloves for good. Though he is now past his prime but a fight against anybody not named Inoue will be competitive in my opinion. Donaire vs Moloney is a good fight and i think it should happen at 118 lbs.

Meanwhile, the result of the fight between Casimero vs Akaho last December 3 was overturned from a "no contest" to a 2nd round KO for Casimero, so congrats once again to Team Quadro Alas.

https://www.gmanetwork.com/news/sports/othersports/855186/casimero-vs-akaho-result-overturned-to-knockout/story/

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Quote from: mirakal on December 22, 2022, 01:49:55 PM

Quote from: lionheart78 on December 21, 2022, 11:48:09 PM

Inoue - Fulton fight made possible after Naoya Inoue made WBO ‘Super Champion’ At 118, can become Stephen's Fulton mandatory at 122[1]

According to the article, the undisputed bantamweight champion Naoya Inoue has been made the WBO "Super Champion". This means that if ever Inoue goes up in weight he will be a mandatory challenger for WBC/WBO 122 lbs champion Stephen Fulton. So Inoue would be skipping the rank and and fight directly for a title fight against Fulton if he petitions the sanctioning body.

Inoue moving up will give way for the possible Maloney-Donaire fight for the vacant title belt. It was stated that it was ordered by the commission that if ever Inoue vacate the title these two fighters will have a mandatory fight for the vacant world champion.

[1] https://www.boxingnews24.com/2022/12/naoya-inoue-made-wbo-super-champion-at-118-can-become-stephen-fultons-mandatory-at-122/

Makes sense why Donaire stayed at the bantamweight after his defeat because he knows that Inoue will soon leave the division and that leaves him a chance to be a champion again. I just thought that he will go down at the super-fly because that is what he said, but I guess that already changed since he will be fighting against Maloney if the undisputed will vacate his belt.

And for Inoue, that's a hell of a leap he'll be doing if he will vacate his belts because he will be facing one of the champions at 122 lbs. already. I wonder if Bob Arum feels great about this too because I know that he would want Inoue to have a test first before a title fight at 122. Also, I have a question. What will happen if Inoue rejects this mandatory fight? He doesn't have any belts to be stripped of if he will do that because he will be renewed once he climbs. Just wondering.

Probably, although he shows intention to move down to 115 lbs, but that idea may have been scrapped already since Inoue is moving up and Donaire can stay at 118 lbs and still win at least one final belt before he will retire for good.

Nonito vs Moloney could be a good one, although we know that Nonito is aging and who knows, maybe past his prime. But I still think that he can win against Moloney.

And hopefully this can be finalized for next year. And for sure, we are all excited to see Nonito once again.

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Quote from: lionheart78 on December 21, 2022, 11:48:09 PM

Inoue - Fulton fight made possible after Naoya Inoue made WBO ‘Super Champion’ At 118, can become Stephen's Fulton mandatory at 122[1]

According to the article, the undisputed bantamweight champion Naoya Inoue has been made the WBO "Super Champion". This means that if ever Inoue goes up in weight he will be a mandatory challenger for WBC/WBO 122 lbs champion Stephen Fulton. So Inoue would be skipping the rank and and fight directly for a title fight against Fulton if he petitions the sanctioning body.

Inoue moving up will give way for the possible Maloney-Donaire fight for the vacant title belt. It was stated that it was ordered by the commission that if ever Inoue vacate the title these two fighters will have a mandatory fight for the vacant world champion.

[1] https://www.boxingnews24.com/2022/12/naoya-inoue-made-wbo-super-champion-at-118-can-become-stephen-fultons-mandatory-at-122/

Makes sense why Donaire stayed at the bantamweight after his defeat because he knows that Inoue will soon leave the division and that leaves him a chance to be a champion again. I just thought that he will go down at the super-fly because that is what he said, but I guess that already changed since he will be fighting against Maloney if the undisputed will vacate his belt.

And for Inoue, that's a hell of a leap he'll be doing if he will vacate his belts because he will be facing one of the champions at 122 lbs. already. I wonder if Bob Arum feels great about this too because I know that he would want Inoue to have a test first before a title fight at 122. Also, I have a question. What will happen if Inoue rejects this mandatory fight? He doesn't have any belts to be stripped of if he will do that because he will be renewed once he climbs. Just wondering.

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Quote from: Silberman on December 19, 2022, 11:29:46 PM

Is this correct? The Philippines currently holds no boxing championship at all? This is one of those things that seems completely unbelievable, now it possible this is just bad luck but it is still impressive, because the success of Pacquiao was so incredible that I am sure that many young people at Philippines have tried to emulate him, so I would guess there are a lot of people wanting to become professional boxers, so even if bad luck was involved there must be something else at work as well, and most likely a lack of support for the sport could be the most likely explanation for what it is happening.

If I am not wrong with the record that I have seen online I think the Philippines is currently just Holding 1 belt, and that is non-other than Quadro Alas John Riel Casimero holding the WBO World Bantamweight Title that is why he badly needed a fight as long as he can still fight inside the ring, for me that Naoya Inoue fight is a risk for John Riel Casimero for now, I think he needs to get easy title fights for him to surely solidify him having multiple title belts,

Is that from Wiki? If it is then they are not updated anymore.
All Bantamweight belt was being held by Naoya Inoue now. So what Silberman said might be real, the Philippines currently doesn't hold any boxing belts.
Well, that's frustrating as a Filipino. We are known to be good at the sport so maybe the government should be looking at supporting more boxers and giving them the right funds to be back taking more belts like how PacMan did it.

Quote from: YuginKadoya on December 22, 2022, 12:24:01 AM

A possibility is still a possibility maybe he is afraid of John Riel Casimero or even mocking him at some point but for me, Naoya Inoue is a great threat to Casimero but the same goes for Inoue Casimero is a threat to him as well that is why it is a great fight to watch when it is fulfilled but for now, if John Riel Casimero can get the big fights or could ever get a fight that he can gain a belt then it is still a good thing so if they would fight that will be the 1 time that John Riel Casimero is the only one that makes a mark on Naoya Inoue boxing records, for me that will be the greatest achievement,

I heard differently from Inoue's side, he might really push it to go at a higher weight. I mean, he doesn't have anything to prove in his weight class anymore. Time to try if he can also dominate the next class.

Yeah, that's old list already, Inoue has lost his belt already, and it's sad that he lost it in the weighing scale.

No belts for Philippines unfortunately, but has good chance to get one if Donaire will win against Moloney for one of the vacant titles of Inoue. And there are a lot of up coming fighters from the Philppines in the bantamweight so most likely they could hold at least one belt in the future.

And hopefully, we can see Inoue vs Fulton next year.

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Quote from: Hypnosis00 on December 22, 2022, 04:06:59 AM

Quote from: lionheart78 on December 22, 2022, 04:02:09 AM

I heard differently, Inoue is hesitant to move up the division unless he is about to fight Stephen Fulton or Murodjon Akhmadaliev. I also watch a video that Inoue is ready to defend his titles if he failed to get a title match at 122 lbs since he said he will only move to 122 lbs if it is a title fight. And now that Inoue is made WBO Super Champion, he became a mandatory challenger for Futon belt if he petition the fight to sanctioning body. So it is highly likely that Inoue will move up in Division but I believe being super champion can make a boxer move up or down of weight division to challenge title holder. So it is more likely that Inoue can have a fight on both 118 and 122 weight divisions challenging champions anytime he wanted.

I love to see that though, Inoue is tough but he should fight in a higher division since he already become an undisputed champion. Of course, he can come back anytime but at least he should try and push his limit if he wants to be a great boxer like Manny Pacquioa.

Probably its the perks of being a unified champion, and if he is given a chance to fight for the belt in 122 lbs against Fulton or Akhmadaliev, then they should do it.

I'm not really sure but I read somewhere as well that Fulton wanted to move up to 126 lbs as he wants to jump to another weight class as his body can't take 122 lbs. So probably if he will have his last fight, then it's better to be against Inoue for the belt. Yes, I think Inoue will push himself to the limit, but I doubt that he can duplicate what Manny did during his prime years climbing up weight.

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Quote from: Hypnosis00 on December 22, 2022, 04:06:59 AM

Quote from: lionheart78 on December 22, 2022, 04:02:09 AM

I heard differently, Inoue is hesitant to move up the division unless he is about to fight Stephen Fulton or Murodjon Akhmadaliev. I also watch a video that Inoue is ready to defend his titles if he failed to get a title match at 122 lbs since he said he will only move to 122 lbs if it is a title fight. And now that Inoue is made WBO Super Champion, he became a mandatory challenger for Futon belt if he petition the fight to sanctioning body. So it is highly likely that Inoue will move up in Division but I believe being super champion can make a boxer move up or down of weight division to challenge title holder. So it is more likely that Inoue can have a fight on both 118 and 122 weight divisions challenging champions anytime he wanted.

I love to see that though, Inoue is tough but he should fight in a higher division since he already become an undisputed champion. Of course, he can come back anytime but at least he should try and push his limit if he wants to be a great boxer like Manny Pacquioa.

He can do that as Alvarez already did it twice, he can comeback if he can maintain his weight but the great challenge for him is facing a much
tougher opponent coming from different division.

He doesn't have anything to prove in his current division and for sure fans will love seeing him exploring to the next level
it's only Arum who can control him since he is still under his promotions.

But for sure, as a fighter aside from the big money he will also desire to bring the best on him and collect more belts from
every different division levels.

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Quote from: lionheart78 on December 22, 2022, 04:02:09 AM

I heard differently, Inoue is hesitant to move up the division unless he is about to fight Stephen Fulton or Murodjon Akhmadaliev. I also watch a video that Inoue is ready to defend his titles if he failed to get a title match at 122 lbs since he said he will only move to 122 lbs if it is a title fight. And now that Inoue is made WBO Super Champion, he became a mandatory challenger for Futon belt if he petition the fight to sanctioning body. So it is highly likely that Inoue will move up in Division but I believe being super champion can make a boxer move up or down of weight division to challenge title holder. So it is more likely that Inoue can have a fight on both 118 and 122 weight divisions challenging champions anytime he wanted.

I love to see that though, Inoue is tough but he should fight in a higher division since he already become an undisputed champion. Of course, he can come back anytime but at least he should try and push his limit if he wants to be a great boxer like Manny Pacquioa.

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~~Filipino boxers only hold minor titles not major one like world boxing champions. So in terms of holding boxing titles, there is still some minors title~~, while on that sheet shown by YuginKadoya, that belt of Casimiro was stripped because he failed to fight Butler and was battled out by Sultan and Butler where Butler emerges victorious, and later on lost to Inoue making Inoue the undisputed champion of 118 lbs.

Quote from: danherbias07 on December 22, 2022, 01:06:09 AM

I heard differently from Inoue's side, he might really push it to go at a higher weight. I mean, he doesn't have anything to prove in his weight class anymore. Time to try if he can also dominate the next class.

I heard differently, Inoue is hesitant to move up the division unless he is about to fight Stephen Fulton or Murodjon Akhmadaliev. I also watch a video that Inoue is ready to defend his titles if he failed to get a title match at 122 lbs since he said he will only move to 122 lbs if it is a title fight. And now that Inoue is made WBO Super Champion, he became a mandatory challenger for Futon belt if he petition the fight to sanctioning body. So it is highly likely that Inoue will move up in Division but I believe being super champion can make a boxer move up or down of weight division to challenge title holder. So it is more likely that Inoue can have a fight on both 118 and 122 weight divisions challenging champions anytime he wanted.

edit: Philippines has a lone boxer that holds world title: Dave “The Doberman” Apolinario won the vacant IBO flyweight title last July 29, 2022

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Quote from: YuginKadoya on December 22, 2022, 12:24:01 AM

Quote from: Silberman on December 19, 2022, 11:29:46 PM

Is this correct? The Philippines currently holds no boxing championship at all? This is one of those things that seems completely unbelievable, now it possible this is just bad luck but it is still impressive, because the success of Pacquiao was so incredible that I am sure that many young people at Philippines have tried to emulate him, so I would guess there are a lot of people wanting to become professional boxers, so even if bad luck was involved there must be something else at work as well, and most likely a lack of support for the sport could be the most likely explanation for what it is happening.

If I am not wrong with the record that I have seen online I think the Philippines is currently just Holding 1 belt, and that is non-other than Quadro Alas John Riel Casimero holding the WBO World Bantamweight Title that is why he badly needed a fight as long as he can still fight inside the ring, for me that Naoya Inoue fight is a risk for John Riel Casimero for now, I think he needs to get easy title fights for him to surely solidify him having multiple title belts,

Is that from Wiki? If it is then they are not updated anymore.
All Bantamweight belt was being held by Naoya Inoue now. So what Silberman said might be real, the Philippines currently doesn't hold any boxing belts.
Well, that's frustrating as a Filipino. We are known to be good at the sport so maybe the government should be looking at supporting more boxers and giving them the right funds to be back taking more belts like how PacMan did it.

Quote from: YuginKadoya on December 22, 2022, 12:24:01 AM

A possibility is still a possibility maybe he is afraid of John Riel Casimero or even mocking him at some point but for me, Naoya Inoue is a great threat to Casimero but the same goes for Inoue Casimero is a threat to him as well that is why it is a great fight to watch when it is fulfilled but for now, if John Riel Casimero can get the big fights or could ever get a fight that he can gain a belt then it is still a good thing so if they would fight that will be the 1 time that John Riel Casimero is the only one that makes a mark on Naoya Inoue boxing records, for me that will be the greatest achievement,

I heard differently from Inoue's side, he might really push it to go at a higher weight. I mean, he doesn't have anything to prove in his weight class anymore. Time to try if he can also dominate the next class.

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Quote from: Silberman on December 19, 2022, 11:29:46 PM

Is this correct? The Philippines currently holds no boxing championship at all? This is one of those things that seems completely unbelievable, now it possible this is just bad luck but it is still impressive, because the success of Pacquiao was so incredible that I am sure that many young people at Philippines have tried to emulate him, so I would guess there are a lot of people wanting to become professional boxers, so even if bad luck was involved there must be something else at work as well, and most likely a lack of support for the sport could be the most likely explanation for what it is happening.

If I am not wrong with the record that I have seen online I think the Philippines is currently just Holding 1 belt, and that is non-other than Quadro Alas John Riel Casimero holding the WBO World Bantamweight Title that is why he badly needed a fight as long as he can still fight inside the ring, for me that Naoya Inoue fight is a risk for John Riel Casimero for now, I think he needs to get easy title fights for him to surely solidify him having multiple title belts,

Quote from: BitDane on December 20, 2022, 05:13:45 AM

I heard some news that Inoue won't be moving up in division unless it is a title fight against either Fulton or Akhmadaliev. According to this YT video, Inoue will be staying in his current division ready to depend his title, which can possibly give way to one of the Filipino boxer Astrolabio to have a shot on the title fight since the Filipino become rank 3 on IBF after he defeats Nikolai Potapov via 6th round KO.

With this statement of Inoue, some of the Filipino boxing fans thinks that Inoue is avoiding Casimero because if he grinds for ranking after he goes up in weight division, there is a possibility for Inoue to fight Casimero. While going straight to a title fight will definitely evade a fight against Casimero.

A possibility is still a possibility maybe he is afraid of John Riel Casimero or even mocking him at some point but for me, Naoya Inoue is a great threat to Casimero but the same goes for Inoue Casimero is a threat to him as well that is why it is a great fight to watch when it is fulfilled but for now, if John Riel Casimero can get the big fights or could ever get a fight that he can gain a belt then it is still a good thing so if they would fight that will be the 1 time that John Riel Casimero is the only one that makes a mark on Naoya Inoue boxing records, for me that will be the greatest achievement,

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