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December 28, 2022, 01:48:05 PM
Even after the fact that Casimero had achieved titles in various divisions, the governing bodies are thinking that all of it was pointless because they are likely disappointed by what happened recently that led to the worse case scenario where Casimero had to be stripped by his belt. Now, he is back to zero where he have to make his name great again and climb throughout the ranks so that he will be given some points by the governing bodies to fight against the champion or to the mandatory challengers.

I might disagree with that. I'm sure that there's no such thing as top boxing councils and organizations thinking of disappointment.

It's just that Casimero is still not ranked up to be able to qualify for a much bigger fight. Simple as it is, he just needs to keep winning from now on and do everything to work on his rankings and soon, he will be eligible again to fight against top ranks or if fortunate, for another title bout.

Since Casimero started again from scratch, it will really take time for him to be in a discussion at the contender's table again but I'm sure he will be able to reach there soon. I'm biased with that expectation as part of being a long-time PH boxing enthusiast and there are reasons to be believed that it will happen.
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December 28, 2022, 01:36:32 PM
The Philippines right now doesn't have any belts but there are upcoming younger fighters that are surely promising yesterday there are a fight in Bangkok, Thailand the venue was Spaceplus Bangkok RCA the event was called Fire & Fury



Were 2 Filipinos fought their way to get the Asian Boxing Federation Flyweight and Asian Boxing Federation Welterweight Title belts and emerged victorious the event was 3 fights and consisted of

Miel Fajardo VS Sarawut Jiamthong

Fajardo won via KO/TKO left hook, in the 1st round, his original fight was against Adisak Ketpiam but later change to Sarawut Jiamthong instead, and pretty much the fight was in the 10th round but Miel Fajardo won it in the 1st round, and gotten the Asian Boxing Federation Flyweight Title belt,

Toshihiko Era VS Silem Serang

Not a Filipino but a Japanese guy who pretty much won against Silem Serang, and have a KO/TKO in the 5th round, and got himself with Asian Boxing Federation Light Flyweight Title belt,

Ador Torres VS  Meechaiya Kaiwiset

The Original fight for Ador Torres was Watthana Niamsuwan but it was canceled and changed to Meechaiya Kaiwiset pretty he finished the fight in round 4 with a KO/TKO and win the Asian Boxing Federation Welterweight Title belt,


I know all of these fights are pretty new, but eventually, their boxers will surely increase their skills, and over time they can surely make their way to the national title shot,
 

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December 28, 2022, 01:09:51 PM
It looks like Casimero needs to rank up in order for him to be noticed and become a mandatory challenger for the 122 lbs title and possibly have a match with Inoue. 

He sure do need to go through the ranks before he can face any champions at 122 pounds and become a mandatory challenger because he doesn't have any perks that Naoya Inoue have. Aside from that, Casimero also don't have the likes of Bob Arum who do have strong ties to the governing bodies that will give him some favors. We don't need to prove that statement because it's already clear that political ties are far more important in this era.

The World Boxing Organization, which had Casimero as its previous bantamweight champion, is also not kind. According to its December top fifteen rating update, there is no Casimero. With his victory over Akaho and the fact that he has won titles in a variety of divisions, Casimero is still not listed in any major boxing organizations. If this man wanted to get a rating, he needs to keep fighting for the next months.  He can fight four times next year if becoming mandatory is the only way to get noticed by the champions. That will be impressive enough to compete against any champion the following year.

Even after the fact that Casimero had achieved titles in various divisions, the governing bodies are thinking that all of it was pointless because they are likely disappointed by what happened recently that led to the worse case scenario where Casimero had to be stripped by his belt. Now, he is back to zero where he have to make his name great again and climb throughout the ranks so that he will be given some points by the governing bodies to fight against the champion or to the mandatory challengers.
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December 28, 2022, 04:09:58 AM
Maybe the Korean boxing commission was really ashamed on what they see on the Japanese fighter and that's why a swift investigation and reversal of the decision. And Akaho admitted that it he was not really hit behind his head so that admission is enough for them to overturn.

I doubt that Casimero will get Inoue, it seems though that Bob Arum is pushing for Naoya to get an immediate title shot against Fulton.

Although it might hurt those in line, but Top Rank is powerful promotion and could do that to the boxing organizations to request that fight immediately. And it's a good match as well, fans are going to be happy if this fight is going to be made once Inoue moves up.

I do love to see Casimero vs Inoue, actually, I am so annoyed of some Filipino boxing fans think that Inoue is docking Casimero.  I am quite embarrassed actually because Inoue had proven himself but Casimero shamed himself when he lost his belt on a spa.  Grin

I think he is too embarrassed on how this career at 118 lbs turns out, he was about to make the biggest fight of his career against Inoue, unfortunately, bad decisions lead him nowhere, now campaigning at 122 lbs and he is on a collision with Inoue. So there are still chance that we can see them fight.

Nevertheless, it is quite annoying because it is embarrassing if Casimero kisses the canvas if ever the fight between them happens. I would prefer to just be quiet and request for Casimero Inoue to fight in a decent way.  But sadly, Inoue was made Super Champ, so he can fight for the world title directly on 122 lbs leaving Casimero behind the ranking.

Casimero though is not given preferential treatment like Inoue, so he needs to go fight and earn his spot in the super bantamweight and maybe we will see him and Inoue finally in the ring together. I I think he is still on the radar of Inoue after what he has said on the champion when they are campaigning at bantamweight.
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December 27, 2022, 10:44:50 PM


I haven't heard the news that Nonito Donaire will compete for the WBC belt. But in any case that Inoue vacated all the belt, obviously it will be open and Nonito once held that belt and probably he is still the number 1 contender not just for WBC or even for the other belts that Inoue held before.

So does make sense if the governing body will allow Nonito to fight for the belt right away and I can't remember if Nonito held either any belts, how many times he become a bantamweight champion and he could be the oldest.

I think Nonito Donaire now got his eyes targeted on a major world title match and this is the ARTICLE well, despite his major knockout lost to the monster Naoya Inoue that is not given him any doubt to himself, and I think that is the good quality of most Filipino's it is hard for them to learn how to give up, and right now Nonito Donaire in the article said that he is targeting Roman Gonzalez and Juan Franciso Estrada,

Ok, I remember now, yes, I read that he wants to target the winner of Roman Gonzalez and Juan Francisco Estrada, just the question if he can make 115 lbs because Nonito is a tall fighter for that weight division and he is not getting any younger so it might affect his body if he go that low.

But if he targets his natural weight class which is bantamweight, then this could be a good decision for him since Inoue has left this division already.

Could be challenge, but I think he could beat the majority of rank fighters here if not beaten by him already.


Well, it is the opportunity that Donaire can shine, although it is a pity because Inoue showed that he is the best and the undisputed winner, now if Nonito Donaire is crowned the best, what will happen if he returns to the 115lb category? It is not better and with a higher level that a boxer can ascend to not be in a better position, have a better future and if they have a higher category in context, they may have a better chance of being more famous, earning more money and making more history of the one they have done, I think that this is something that can happen, whether Inpue has left the way clear.


Speaking of Casimero, the decision was turn over no contest to knockout by the KBM (Korea Boxing Member's Commission).

Source: https://www.gmanetwork.com/news/sports/othersports/855186/casimero-vs-akaho-result-overturned-to-knockout/story/

Not sure though how will this affect those who bet on Casimero winning by knockout, will casino's also turn over their decision and give the winnings to the bettors? I'm asking this because this is the first time that I see this happening for a a long time.
Thank you for the update bro.
I was expecting that to happen but I didn't know the association will be that fast to investigate and conclude the winner of that fight.
It was too obvious, we all know who won that game.
Now, this will give a push for Casimero for his next battle. Will it be Inoue? If he will stay and try to defend his title then there's a chance they will meet.
Or does Casimero need to fight one more boxer to rank up and reach him?

Maybe the Korean boxing commission was really ashamed on what they see on the Japanese fighter and that's why a swift investigation and reversal of the decision. And Akaho admitted that it he was not really hit behind his head so that admission is enough for them to overturn.

I doubt that Casimero will get Inoue, it seems though that Bob Arum is pushing for Naoya to get an immediate title shot against Fulton.

Although it might hurt those in line, but Top Rank is powerful promotion and could do that to the boxing organizations to request that fight immediately. And it's a good match as well, fans are going to be happy if this fight is going to be made once Inoue moves up.

And Akaho should pay for the embarrassment he gave towards the boxing community because he robbed Casimero's chance to win on that very same day and celebrate afterwards but Ryo Akaho is quite wise to retire first before he was given some penalties as he knew that his career was already over the moment he faked what happened in the ring.

As for Inoue, Bob Arum wasn't the one who is pushing Inoue to fight against Fulton. Truth is, it's the other way around because Arum wanted a much safer journey where his cow, Inoue, can test the waters first before facing Stephen Fulton. It's the WBO who made a huge move and gave Inoue a bantamweight super-champion title where he will have the option to go directly to the champion and waste no more time going through the ranks.

Hopefully, it will be Inoue's decision that will prevail in the end, not Arum. Because that's what Inoue wanted in his 122 lbs, against the champion in Stephen Fulton.

And maybe at the back of the mind of Arum, his cash cow could be damage, but as we have seen Inoue's rise to fame, he has improved a lot so it's going to be a good match and I think he has a equal chances against Fulton or any champion at 122 lbs.

So bring Inoue to fight any one them and chase for another greatness in the super bantamweight division.

I'm with you on that sentiment.

Naoya Inoue truly deserves to face a much tougher and stronger opponent rather than giving him a fight that just looks like a mere tune-up fight, I get what Bob Arum thinks but that is not what Inoue need and want. Facing Stephen Fulton directly will be a challenge to the super champion of course but I do think that Inoue can pretty much handle it and 122 pounds is not that far from bantamweight division, so I guess he won't have some struggles on this new weight class.

From everything they've said, I'm also in favor of having a fight against a very tough boxer against Inoue, I think Inoue is up to fighting against the best, and if he goes up in category it's much better because that way he will take the fame he wants, now what I think is the following, if Casimero challenged him, why doesn't he accept the challenge let's see.

Inoue is a boxer who has very good technique, and apart from that he has great discipline, it would be good to amuse all the fans, I think Inoue's sponsor should put him in contact with his representative to see how it can be organized a good meeting.

Stephen Fulton-Naoya Inoue: The WBO Opens a Window



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It wasn’t a surprise given the rules and standards of the World Boxing Organization but the news on Wednesday was welcome. 

As reported in the Japan Times and multiple other outlets, 29-year old undisputed bantamweight champion Naoya Inoue (24-0, 21 KO) was “awarded the status of bantamweight super champion in the World Boxing Organization’s latest rankings, giving him priority for a title shot if he moves up to challenge American Stephen Fulton in the weight division above.”

The 28-year old Fulton (21-0, 8 KO) is one of two undefeated, unified titlists currently reigning at Jr. featherweight. Along with the WBO’s, Fulton holds the WBC belt while 28-year old Murodjon Ahkmadaliev (11-0, 8 KO) reigns with the WBA and IBF straps.

Source: https://www.boxingscene.com/stephen-fulton-naoya-inoue-wbo-opens-window--171337
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December 27, 2022, 07:41:43 AM
It looks like Casimero needs to rank up in order for him to be noticed and become a mandatory challenger for the 122 lbs title and possibly have a match with Inoue. 

He sure do need to go through the ranks before he can face any champions at 122 pounds and become a mandatory challenger because he doesn't have any perks that Naoya Inoue have. Aside from that, Casimero also don't have the likes of Bob Arum who do have strong ties to the governing bodies that will give him some favors. We don't need to prove that statement because it's already clear that political ties are far more important in this era.

The World Boxing Organization, which had Casimero as its previous bantamweight champion, is also not kind. According to its December top fifteen rating update, there is no Casimero. With his victory over Akaho and the fact that he has won titles in a variety of divisions, Casimero is still not listed in any major boxing organizations. If this man wanted to get a rating, he needs to keep fighting for the next months.  He can fight four times next year if becoming mandatory is the only way to get noticed by the champions. That will be impressive enough to compete against any champion the following year.
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December 27, 2022, 06:18:45 AM
It looks like Casimero needs to rank up in order for him to be noticed and become a mandatory challenger for the 122 lbs title and possibly have a match with Inoue. 

He sure do need to go through the ranks before he can face any champions at 122 pounds and become a mandatory challenger because he doesn't have any perks that Naoya Inoue have. Aside from that, Casimero also don't have the likes of Bob Arum who do have strong ties to the governing bodies that will give him some favors. We don't need to prove that statement because it's already clear that political ties are far more important in this era.
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December 27, 2022, 05:12:00 AM
Just to give an update regarding Prograis vs Jose Ramirez, and it looks like the fight is not going to happen because Team Ramirez felt disrespected by the offer of 65-35 split in favor of Prograis,

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The former unified junior welterweight titlist from Avenal, California, recently declined a title shot against WBC champion Regis Prograis, because he believed the terms of the purse split were unfair and not reflective of his commercial value. The WBC decreed a 65-35 split in favor of the champion, Prograis, which Ramirez and his team felt was a nonstarter, given Ramirez’s accomplishments and the fact that he is a proven local draw in the Central California region, unlike Prograis, a New Orleans native who lives in Houston.

https://www.boxingscene.com/ramirez-on-prograis-title-shot-pisses-me-off-im-being-thrown-under-bus--171400

Not sure why the WBC would have to decreed that purse split, Ramirez is a former 140 lbs, and then there is the boxing politics behind Top Rank not willing to work with Prograis promotional company Probellum.
There was this article before that.
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Top Rank and Probellum couldn’t have struck a deal that would’ve eliminated the need for a Prograis-Ramirez purse bid because Arum’s company will not work with Probellum. Arum has stated that he can’t do business with Probellum because of its alleged ties to once-influential adviser Daniel Kinahan, a notorious organized crime figure whom Probellum’s executives have publicly denied has any involvement in their company.
https://www.boxingscene.com/jose-ramirez-im-not-afraid-regis-prograis-i-just-know-my-worth-how-big-fight--171361

Crap. Just because of money and the companies behind them, another fight will not come to life.
Well, I do agree on Ramirez's side that it was an insult to them but c'mon you are the challenger, you are fighting a title holder.
What happened to the "title first, before money" belief?
As if he will get another chance sooner if he passes this up. If he can really beat Prograis then do it, if Ramirez will be the champion then he could do the same split to whoever will try to steal the title from him.
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December 27, 2022, 04:43:03 AM

I believe that Arum will take the risk only if he sees that his cash cow is already ripe and ready to conquer this new division, with the strength and power of Inoue the chance of eliminating Fulton is possible, the new division is not by far so adjustment can be done, preparation wise, Inoue and his camp got enough to practice and train to condition his body from his new chosen weight.


It's not an easy task at first and I'm sure of that but because of how disciplined Inoue is with himself, he can do any hard training before his fight and condition his body to take power punches from his heavier opponents.

If he can also dominate his next weight division, then this man is truly a living legend and it's really hard to cheat against him because he beat most of his opponents by knockout. His fight is now a blockbuster whenever he has a fight, it will be always sold out. everyone is so excited because whenever he fights, he can always find a way to knock his opponent out.
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December 27, 2022, 03:52:01 AM

Hopefully, it will be Inoue's decision that will prevail in the end, not Arum. Because that's what Inoue wanted in his 122 lbs, against the champion in Stephen Fulton.

And maybe at the back of the mind of Arum, his cash cow could be damage, but as we have seen Inoue's rise to fame, he has improved a lot so it's going to be a good match and I think he has a equal chances against Fulton or any champion at 122 lbs.

So bring Inoue to fight any one them and chase for another greatness in the super bantamweight division.
Looking forward to see this to happen, I would love to see Inoue moving up and try chasing for another greatness, 122lbs is not that far from his current domination and if he will decide to move up, he can quickly adjust and that chance of beating the current title holder is not by far. The only thing that might impact his decision not to move up is Arum. He fully understands the business and he won't let his cash cow to be in the wrong position.

He will try everything to make sure that he will continue to collect more money and not just a onetime big time and after that he might
missed more if Inoue suffered a loss.

Yes, that will be the plan for him and his team this 2023 and for sure Arum is on board on this one because he believed that he had another Manny Pacquiao in his hands. And we all know that he was the main architect on the Manny's rise to fame and going up divisions after divisions claim the belt and then continue to go up. Also he is a business man so he want to maximize his cash cow but then limiting the risk of him losing. Fulton vs Inoue would be great start next year for this super bantamweight division.

I believe that Arum will take the risk only if he sees that his cash cow is already ripe and ready to conquer this new division, with the strength and power of Inoue the chance of eliminating Fulton is possible, the new division is not by far so adjustment can be done, preparation wise, Inoue and his camp got enough to practice and train to condition his body from his new chosen weight.

We don't know yet if what will be the actual decision but after Inoue collects all the belt from his current division, it's time for him now to explore and try making his way to another one and collect more.
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December 26, 2022, 08:15:51 PM

Yes, we do love to see that fight in the future, Casimero has been trash talking Inoue when they both have the belts at 118 lbs and probably could have face each other.

Casimero and Inoue is supposed to face each other on April 202o but due to pandemic the supposed face off between Casimero and Inoue was cancelled and never had a chance to reschedule until now.  After the fight was cancelled and the heat of provocation of Casimero (when he had the title) to have a fight against Inoue,  Inoue released a statement that he isn't interested to have a unification fight against Casimero[1].  Probably that was the reason why many Casimero fans thinks that Inoue is ducking casimero.  Then later when Casimero was stripped of the belt, Inoue decided to have a unification fight against Butler.

And now Bob Arum wanted Inoue to have a straight journey to title fight disregarding the ranking (probably influenced the WBO officials) by making Inoue WBO Super Champion.  What ever the reason it do look like Inoue is avoiding Casimero at all cost.



[1] https://www.spin.ph/boxing/naoya-inoue-doesnt-want-anything-to-do-with-johnriel-casimero-a793-20211225

Can't really say that for sure because the time was not on their side in the first place and because of the pandemic and its ever growing variant, both camps decided to part ways and face another boxer that will be catered in their available timeline. Anyway, let's just put that behind and hope that someday in the future, their path will cross again because they are now in the same weight class again.
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December 26, 2022, 05:11:23 PM
Just to give an update regarding Prograis vs Jose Ramirez, and it looks like the fight is not going to happen because Team Ramirez felt disrespected by the offer of 65-35 split in favor of Prograis,

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The former unified junior welterweight titlist from Avenal, California, recently declined a title shot against WBC champion Regis Prograis, because he believed the terms of the purse split were unfair and not reflective of his commercial value. The WBC decreed a 65-35 split in favor of the champion, Prograis, which Ramirez and his team felt was a nonstarter, given Ramirez’s accomplishments and the fact that he is a proven local draw in the Central California region, unlike Prograis, a New Orleans native who lives in Houston.

https://www.boxingscene.com/ramirez-on-prograis-title-shot-pisses-me-off-im-being-thrown-under-bus--171400

Not sure why the WBC would have to decreed that purse split, Ramirez is a former 140 lbs, and then there is the boxing politics behind Top Rank not willing to work with Prograis promotional company Probellum.
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December 26, 2022, 04:29:59 PM
I'm with you on that sentiment.

Naoya Inoue truly deserves to face a much tougher and stronger opponent rather than giving him a fight that just looks like a mere tune-up fight, I get what Bob Arum thinks but that is not what Inoue need and want. Facing Stephen Fulton directly will be a challenge to the super champion of course but I do think that Inoue can pretty much handle it and 122 pounds is not that far from bantamweight division, so I guess he won't have some struggles on this new weight class.

Regardless of what Arum wanted, it looks like he is supportive of Inoue's plan of conquering the 122 lbs.  Just like what Arum stated the other day,  he thinks that no one will beat Inoue and expects Inoue to be able to unify the 122 division and be undisputed in the two different weight divisions. 

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Bob Arum, speaking again with Talk Sport, said he fully expects Inoue to go for the two belts the unbeaten Stephen Fulton holds, as well as for the two belts Murodjon Akhmadaliev currently holds – not necessarily in that order. Fulton, the WBC and WBO champ at 122, is under the PBC umbrella. Akhmadaliev, the WBA and IBF champ, is promoted by Eddie Hearn.
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“I think he’s going to vacate the bantamweight titles, he has all four of them, and move up to 122 pounds,” Arum said of Inoue. “Each champion there has two of the titles, so his goal is to not only win the 122 pound title, but to unify it. I don’t see anybody beating this guy, he boxes beautifully and he’s a concussive puncher, especially at his weight.”


It looks like Casimero needs to rank up in order for him to be noticed and become a mandatory challenger for the 122 lbs title and possibly have a match with Inoue. 
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December 26, 2022, 01:59:14 PM
Speaking of Casimero, the decision was turn over no contest to knockout by the KBM (Korea Boxing Member's Commission).

Source: https://www.gmanetwork.com/news/sports/othersports/855186/casimero-vs-akaho-result-overturned-to-knockout/story/

Not sure though how will this affect those who bet on Casimero winning by knockout, will casino's also turn over their decision and give the winnings to the bettors? I'm asking this because this is the first time that I see this happening for a a long time.
Thank you for the update bro.
I was expecting that to happen but I didn't know the association will be that fast to investigate and conclude the winner of that fight.
It was too obvious, we all know who won that game.
Now, this will give a push for Casimero for his next battle. Will it be Inoue? If he will stay and try to defend his title then there's a chance they will meet.
Or does Casimero need to fight one more boxer to rank up and reach him?

Maybe the Korean boxing commission was really ashamed on what they see on the Japanese fighter and that's why a swift investigation and reversal of the decision. And Akaho admitted that it he was not really hit behind his head so that admission is enough for them to overturn.

I doubt that Casimero will get Inoue, it seems though that Bob Arum is pushing for Naoya to get an immediate title shot against Fulton.

Although it might hurt those in line, but Top Rank is powerful promotion and could do that to the boxing organizations to request that fight immediately. And it's a good match as well, fans are going to be happy if this fight is going to be made once Inoue moves up.

And Akaho should pay for the embarrassment he gave towards the boxing community because he robbed Casimero's chance to win on that very same day and celebrate afterwards but Ryo Akaho is quite wise to retire first before he was given some penalties as he knew that his career was already over the moment he faked what happened in the ring.

As for Inoue, Bob Arum wasn't the one who is pushing Inoue to fight against Fulton. Truth is, it's the other way around because Arum wanted a much safer journey where his cow, Inoue, can test the waters first before facing Stephen Fulton. It's the WBO who made a huge move and gave Inoue a bantamweight super-champion title where he will have the option to go directly to the champion and waste no more time going through the ranks.

Hopefully, it will be Inoue's decision that will prevail in the end, not Arum. Because that's what Inoue wanted in his 122 lbs, against the champion in Stephen Fulton.

And maybe at the back of the mind of Arum, his cash cow could be damage, but as we have seen Inoue's rise to fame, he has improved a lot so it's going to be a good match and I think he has a equal chances against Fulton or any champion at 122 lbs.

So bring Inoue to fight any one them and chase for another greatness in the super bantamweight division.

I'm with you on that sentiment.

Naoya Inoue truly deserves to face a much tougher and stronger opponent rather than giving him a fight that just looks like a mere tune-up fight, I get what Bob Arum thinks but that is not what Inoue need and want. Facing Stephen Fulton directly will be a challenge to the super champion of course but I do think that Inoue can pretty much handle it and 122 pounds is not that far from bantamweight division, so I guess he won't have some struggles on this new weight class.
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December 26, 2022, 07:12:57 AM

Yes, we do love to see that fight in the future, Casimero has been trash talking Inoue when they both have the belts at 118 lbs and probably could have face each other.

Casimero and Inoue is supposed to face each other on April 202o but due to pandemic the supposed face off between Casimero and Inoue was cancelled and never had a chance to reschedule until now.  After the fight was cancelled and the heat of provocation of Casimero (when he had the title) to have a fight against Inoue,  Inoue released a statement that he isn't interested to have a unification fight against Casimero[1].  Probably that was the reason why many Casimero fans thinks that Inoue is ducking casimero.  Then later when Casimero was stripped of the belt, Inoue decided to have a unification fight against Butler.

And now Bob Arum wanted Inoue to have a straight journey to title fight disregarding the ranking (probably influenced the WBO officials) by making Inoue WBO Super Champion.  What ever the reason it do look like Inoue is avoiding Casimero at all cost.



[1] https://www.spin.ph/boxing/naoya-inoue-doesnt-want-anything-to-do-with-johnriel-casimero-a793-20211225
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December 26, 2022, 06:50:35 AM
Maybe the Korean boxing commission was really ashamed on what they see on the Japanese fighter and that's why a swift investigation and reversal of the decision. And Akaho admitted that it he was not really hit behind his head so that admission is enough for them to overturn.

I doubt that Casimero will get Inoue, it seems though that Bob Arum is pushing for Naoya to get an immediate title shot against Fulton.

Although it might hurt those in line, but Top Rank is powerful promotion and could do that to the boxing organizations to request that fight immediately. And it's a good match as well, fans are going to be happy if this fight is going to be made once Inoue moves up.
So there are fewer chances for it to happen.
If Naoya Inoue will defend his title twice or thrice against other boxers in the higher ranks then the Casimero fight for the title against him will be far, especially if after those defenses he suddenly decides to go up in the next weight. Well, I won't just expect it but I wish Bob Arum will be pushed to do it when fans are the ones craving for that event to happen.
And Akaho should pay for the embarrassment he gave towards the boxing community because he robbed Casimero's chance to win on that very same day and celebrate afterwards but Ryo Akaho is quite wise to retire first before he was given some penalties as he knew that his career was already over the moment he faked what happened in the ring.
I agree. Penalties, punishments, fine, or whatever they can think of just so no boxer would do the same. Make it a lesson in case someone is planning to do the same.
Boxing community is already soiled by exhibition matches with judges being one-sided. Make it straight again about how strict this sport is.
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December 26, 2022, 05:17:16 AM

Hopefully, it will be Inoue's decision that will prevail in the end, not Arum. Because that's what Inoue wanted in his 122 lbs, against the champion in Stephen Fulton.

And maybe at the back of the mind of Arum, his cash cow could be damage, but as we have seen Inoue's rise to fame, he has improved a lot so it's going to be a good match and I think he has a equal chances against Fulton or any champion at 122 lbs.

So bring Inoue to fight any one them and chase for another greatness in the super bantamweight division.
Looking forward to see this to happen, I would love to see Inoue moving up and try chasing for another greatness, 122lbs is not that far from his current domination and if he will decide to move up, he can quickly adjust and that chance of beating the current title holder is not by far. The only thing that might impact his decision not to move up is Arum. He fully understands the business and he won't let his cash cow to be in the wrong position.

He will try everything to make sure that he will continue to collect more money and not just a onetime big time and after that he might
missed more if Inoue suffered a loss.

Yes, that will be the plan for him and his team this 2023 and for sure Arum is on board on this one because he believed that he had another Manny Pacquiao in his hands. And we all know that he was the main architect on the Manny's rise to fame and going up divisions after divisions claim the belt and then continue to go up. Also he is a business man so he want to maximize his cash cow but then limiting the risk of him losing. Fulton vs Inoue would be great start next year for this super bantamweight division.
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December 26, 2022, 04:42:59 AM

Hopefully, it will be Inoue's decision that will prevail in the end, not Arum. Because that's what Inoue wanted in his 122 lbs, against the champion in Stephen Fulton.

And maybe at the back of the mind of Arum, his cash cow could be damage, but as we have seen Inoue's rise to fame, he has improved a lot so it's going to be a good match and I think he has a equal chances against Fulton or any champion at 122 lbs.

So bring Inoue to fight any one them and chase for another greatness in the super bantamweight division.
Looking forward to see this to happen, I would love to see Inoue moving up and try chasing for another greatness, 122lbs is not that far from his current domination and if he will decide to move up, he can quickly adjust and that chance of beating the current title holder is not by far. The only thing that might impact his decision not to move up is Arum. He fully understands the business and he won't let his cash cow to be in the wrong position.

He will try everything to make sure that he will continue to collect more money and not just a onetime big time and after that he might
missed more if Inoue suffered a loss.
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December 25, 2022, 06:20:44 PM
Speaking of Casimero, the decision was turn over no contest to knockout by the KBM (Korea Boxing Member's Commission).

Source: https://www.gmanetwork.com/news/sports/othersports/855186/casimero-vs-akaho-result-overturned-to-knockout/story/

Not sure though how will this affect those who bet on Casimero winning by knockout, will casino's also turn over their decision and give the winnings to the bettors? I'm asking this because this is the first time that I see this happening for a a long time.
Thank you for the update bro.
I was expecting that to happen but I didn't know the association will be that fast to investigate and conclude the winner of that fight.
It was too obvious, we all know who won that game.
Now, this will give a push for Casimero for his next battle. Will it be Inoue? If he will stay and try to defend his title then there's a chance they will meet.
Or does Casimero need to fight one more boxer to rank up and reach him?

Maybe the Korean boxing commission was really ashamed on what they see on the Japanese fighter and that's why a swift investigation and reversal of the decision. And Akaho admitted that it he was not really hit behind his head so that admission is enough for them to overturn.

I doubt that Casimero will get Inoue, it seems though that Bob Arum is pushing for Naoya to get an immediate title shot against Fulton.

Although it might hurt those in line, but Top Rank is powerful promotion and could do that to the boxing organizations to request that fight immediately. And it's a good match as well, fans are going to be happy if this fight is going to be made once Inoue moves up.

And Akaho should pay for the embarrassment he gave towards the boxing community because he robbed Casimero's chance to win on that very same day and celebrate afterwards but Ryo Akaho is quite wise to retire first before he was given some penalties as he knew that his career was already over the moment he faked what happened in the ring.

As for Inoue, Bob Arum wasn't the one who is pushing Inoue to fight against Fulton. Truth is, it's the other way around because Arum wanted a much safer journey where his cow, Inoue, can test the waters first before facing Stephen Fulton. It's the WBO who made a huge move and gave Inoue a bantamweight super-champion title where he will have the option to go directly to the champion and waste no more time going through the ranks.

Hopefully, it will be Inoue's decision that will prevail in the end, not Arum. Because that's what Inoue wanted in his 122 lbs, against the champion in Stephen Fulton.

And maybe at the back of the mind of Arum, his cash cow could be damage, but as we have seen Inoue's rise to fame, he has improved a lot so it's going to be a good match and I think he has a equal chances against Fulton or any champion at 122 lbs.

So bring Inoue to fight any one them and chase for another greatness in the super bantamweight division.
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December 25, 2022, 02:57:09 PM
Speaking of Casimero, the decision was turn over no contest to knockout by the KBM (Korea Boxing Member's Commission).

Source: https://www.gmanetwork.com/news/sports/othersports/855186/casimero-vs-akaho-result-overturned-to-knockout/story/

Not sure though how will this affect those who bet on Casimero winning by knockout, will casino's also turn over their decision and give the winnings to the bettors? I'm asking this because this is the first time that I see this happening for a a long time.
Thank you for the update bro.
I was expecting that to happen but I didn't know the association will be that fast to investigate and conclude the winner of that fight.
It was too obvious, we all know who won that game.
Now, this will give a push for Casimero for his next battle. Will it be Inoue? If he will stay and try to defend his title then there's a chance they will meet.
Or does Casimero need to fight one more boxer to rank up and reach him?

Maybe the Korean boxing commission was really ashamed on what they see on the Japanese fighter and that's why a swift investigation and reversal of the decision. And Akaho admitted that it he was not really hit behind his head so that admission is enough for them to overturn.

I doubt that Casimero will get Inoue, it seems though that Bob Arum is pushing for Naoya to get an immediate title shot against Fulton.

Although it might hurt those in line, but Top Rank is powerful promotion and could do that to the boxing organizations to request that fight immediately. And it's a good match as well, fans are going to be happy if this fight is going to be made once Inoue moves up.

And Akaho should pay for the embarrassment he gave towards the boxing community because he robbed Casimero's chance to win on that very same day and celebrate afterwards but Ryo Akaho is quite wise to retire first before he was given some penalties as he knew that his career was already over the moment he faked what happened in the ring.

And we are correct after all, he was just acting inside the ring, and what an act, he should have fought until he gets knockout by Casimero. But then again he doesn't want to get embarrassed, but it backfired on him as all the fans who are watching in the arena and around the world saw what really happen and then as you have said, the brandish Casimero could celebrate by he take it away. But I guess justice for John Riel has been served and he won by KO in the records. Now let's wait for their next move on who is their next fight, obviously Inoue is the next target but Casimero can fight anyone at 122 lbs and make a name in this division.
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