Topic: Boxing Speculation, Odds and Predictions - page 172. (Read 32585 times)

Of course we can't compare the legendary Manny to anyone. I'm just showing how special Manny is as it is hard to duplicate what he had done. Not even with the likes of Inoue who is also Asian by the way to climb and become a three or four divisional champion.

If ever he has plans to 130 lbs and could be his last stop, I do agree that let his body goes to that natural phase to gain mass, not necessarily muscles not just pound.

But it's too early for us to predict though, maybe in the next 3-4 years if Inoue can continue with his career, some of us can go back and see how our predictions are regarding his moving up to 126 lbs or 130 lbs.

That time when you don't want to accept that you are losing so much and don't want anybody to see your real reaction to your pain I think this is what happen to Paul Butler he was on the verge of giving up but surely the sense of keeping his pride intact in not showing it still goes on even though he was knockout the pride and pursue to not giving up you can really see in the 11th round, so I really salute him in hanging on until he can not anymore,

I think Nonito Donaire is now getting the strength to push through I think he really needs the courage to be built before he can ever face Naoya Inoue again, so going below the Bantamweight is the thing he can think of, while Naoya Inoue is not pursuing the Super Bantamweight for him if he can dominate if

The thing is when Juan Francisco Estrada won that fight Nonito Donaire was watching and was invited in getting inside the ring aswell, and when the fight was over and Juan Francisco Estrada won the fight I think he will go and challenged Estrada but the security had him go down the ring that security was really disrespectful to Nonito Donaire in my opinion,


I agree his age is not getting younger anymore and getting down the division might be a hard time for him, but let's wait and see, because I think he got an entire plan with this upcoming division shift and some fighter when going down division are getting much more have the advantage because they have experience with the heavy gun in the upper division, in the previous Juan Francisco Estrada VS Roman "Chocolatito" Gonzalez fight and sadly to say Nonito Donaire was just disrespected by security, knowing that it was Nonito Donaire and was invited inside the ring,

Bulking up with muscle can add strength in power but just like adding strength having too much resistance to movement will surely make a person slower.  We saw that in the one you described.  Besides boxing isn't all about power, a combination of speed and devastating punching power is better than the "a little more" devasting strength alone.


I agree, he should do things normally.  He already have that tremendous punching power, and we must also know speed kills.   Sharp fast straight can render anyone stunned.  And I think the strenth added by bulking up will not compensate for his lost speed.  Speed is way more important than adding a tiny fraction of strength.  Speed is also the reason why a tiny bullet when fired is more devastating and dangerous than a bigger rock thrown.

Not sure if bulking up or getting more muscles could do good thing for boxers, we have seen Canelo climb to 175 lbs with more muscles but he tends to be slower and that's why he lost to Bivol. Perhaps if Inoue is a natural 130 lbs, because he can still grow and physically as we aged our body weight is going to adjust as well.

So much better if he won't bulk up at all, just let his body goes to the cycle of gaining a normal weight. So that his power and speed won't be affected that much if he reaches 126 lbs or if he have plans to go higher as expected to 130 lbs.

We can't tell what will be the fate of Inoue once he decided to climb up, though he's fit with 126 he just need to add some muscles and be trained to keep his speed and his power punch, and like what you said, moving to 130 might be a tough one but who knows? Maybe after 126 he will again climb if he feels that he got the shot, making his way to collect more belts and to build his own statue in this sport.

Bob Arum knows where to bring his man. He already has that blue print to secure more money to earn from Inoue.

We can't compare Manny though to Inoue's climb, the only similarities is that they both under Top Rank's Bob Arum. So of course he has the blue print to make champions already, but Inoue is different he is already several weight classes already when he started, while Manny started as low as 108 lbs if I'm not mistaken.

So at 126 lbs, it could still be a perfect fit for Inoue's body with some minor adjustment maybe and I do really think that he can still bring his power to that division.

But the next one at 130 lbs might be a different story for him.

I have no doubts about that he could climb as high as 126 lbs. but I seriously do think that it's best for him at the moment to take his time first and climb the respective weight class before he reaches 126 lbs. as that is much safer as well because he will be used to the weight rather than climbing directly and risks the chances that he will be surprised with what the weight class could give him and the guys who are much natural in that category.
He's still 29 years old, so there's no need to be hasty because his weight will be more natural as he grows older.

I think Inoue is only need a short time if he want in Super bantamweight since the champions are only 2 boxers: Fulton and Akhmadaliev. If Inoue can beat both of the champions, maybe he will only need at least 4 fights, a first fight and rematch for both boxers. Then he can climb to feather weight and need much more longer time to collect each belt (if the current champions doesn't dare to risk their own belts).

Manny Pacquiao is starting from bottom where his body is still flat and then bulking after he's more matured.

Yeah, I think he can still fit in the featherweight division of 126 lbs. But then again, it will define his greatness if he can become a champion first in super bantamweight, remain unbeaten and then go up to 126 lbs and get another belt.

And it just shows how legendary Manny is in his career, started as a flyweight and climbing up.

Not many boxers can go up five division north when they started, Manny did it eight.

Regarding Inoue, he says that he can go as high as featherweight division, at 126 lbs.

So that will be a big accomplished indeed if he can jump as high as the featherweight, not sure though if  this is the final weight class for him. Maybe he can push as high as 130 lbs in the future.

And besides, those champion in 122 lbs might be soon jumping to 126 lbs as well, so the chase is still there. Fulton for one has been saying that he might just to 126 lbs, but hopefully we can see him and Inoue fight at super bantamweight with the belt on the line.

Paul Butler knew that he can't withstand the power of Inoue especially the punch to the body.  This is one reason why Butler's arm is clipped to his body to avoid a direct hit from Inoue's punches. This is the reason why I think Butler is unable to counter even though he seen Inoue open many times.


I believe Nonito will dominate the 115 lbs and possibly can still won a title fight even though he is past his prime.  The lesser weight means a lesser maximum punching power input, so Donaire may possibly withstand any strong punches in that division.

Yes, there has always been a plan for this boxers in the beginning, whether they will executed it is a different story.

And it seem the corner of Butler was satisfied on what he is doing so he just go one with that, just prevent himself getting hit and then just throw counter with Inoue is coming. But still though, him countering Inoue is worst because he open himself to counter from Inoue as Naoya has also a quick hands that's why when Butler throws, he immediately goes to the body as well. So far, there is no blue print to beat Inoue, unfortunately.

Well, he ought to praise him because he doesn't have much a choice. I think he already knew what would happen that is why he just came to survive the whole bout but his body failed him because it gave up during the 11th round. Still for me, Butler also deserves some credits because what he did is not really easy, imagine weathering all those punches in 11 good rounds? Anyway, that's what he can do because he doesn't have the strength to defeat Inoue, either way, Inoue will still win the fight.


I would like to think the same way because I know how impressive he is especially against strong opponents as he can evolve more rather than fighting a much weaker opponent where he can't learn a thing or two. But that will be a question for now because the next weight class is an unknown water for him, better to get used to it first and to answer your question, there's no opponent for him yet.

Well, plans are just plans until it's executed.

And on Butler's part, yeah maybe that's really a plan for him but he didn't thought on how things will be changed based on what he has done. So, that's why words will just be words not until they've proved it.

At the earliest, it's also like a motivator to them so that they won't belittle themselves even before the match.

Ok, I remember now, yes, I read that he wants to target the winner of Roman Gonzalez and Juan Francisco Estrada, just the question if he can make 115 lbs because Nonito is a tall fighter for that weight division and he is not getting any younger so it might affect his body if he go that low.

But if he targets his natural weight class which is bantamweight, then this could be a good decision for him since Inoue has left this division already.

Could be challenge, but I think he could beat the majority of rank fighters here if not beaten by him already.

Yes mate, doesn't make sense to beat or even parlay at ML at it's not worth it, just better wait for the result of it, hehehe.

As for Donaire, make sense for him to comeback, although he didn't retire officially, but Inoue is no longer in the bantamweight so him and maybe Butler can fight it out for the belt or maybe Jason Moloney or Emmanuel Rodriguez.

So still good fight for Donaire in this weight class and he has a good chance as well to become another belt holder.

Some of the remaining fight do in the calendar for this year is similar to that. But next year, January there are good line up already for boxing.

There's a chance that he will become a champion again as only Inoue can beat him. I like to see him to become a champion again so he will be fully fulfilled when they think of retiring. Also, Butler can still try to be a challenger again since no more Inoue, which means the competition is very tight.

Yes I do agree with @YuginKadoya - this boxers doesn't want to admit that they are hurt but you can see at the face and reaction of Butler when he is hit by Naoya, he circle and then trying to avoid the punches and then grimace in pain from body and head punch by Inoue.

And obviously, if Inoue goes up, then there will be a vacuum left in the 118 lbs and if Nonito still want to fight and be a world champion again then he can still go for the last time to become a champion until he retires.

Although before Nonito says he will go down to 115 lbs and probably now that we seen who won between Estrada and Chocolatito, he might go for Juan Estrada, but let's see.

I think Nonito Donaire now got his eyes targeted on a major world title match and this is the ARTICLE well, despite his major knockout lost to the monster Naoya Inoue that is not given him any doubt to himself, and I think that is the good quality of most Filipino's it is hard for them to learn how to give up, and right now Nonito Donaire in the article said that he is targeting Roman Gonzalez and Juan Franciso Estrada,


Poor guy, it goes to show that the level of Naoya Inoue is really different now, it is just sad that the 1st match of Nonito Donaire VS Naoya Inoue was a close one, but on an interview with Nonito Donaire even though he did not say what did happen with their rematch it was really bleak that Naoya Inoue is not a different boxer from their last fight, Inoue now overtakes Donaire tremendously that Donaire now is taking a step backward of the division, because he knows how the Monster Naoya Inoue power and speed can be devastating, and even though Paul Butler won't admit it, his reaction to all the punches he receives to Naoya Inoue is truly different from other boxers he faced,

Next event it is.
I may have tried just guessing what round it will end on Inoue's side because the rewards were too small enough to put the risk at just betting for him to win.

Tomorrow morning for GMT+8 there will be a boxing fight.
Dec. 16, 2022 Quebec, Canada 7 p.m. ET

Makhmudov, Arslanbek vs Wallisch, Michael
Butler, Steven vs Conley, Joshua
Spencer, Mary vs Hermans, Femke

3 heavy favorites, even a 3-way parlay is not profitable enough.