Topic: Boxing Speculation, Odds and Predictions - page 174. (Read 31941 times)

There are many factors that will affect a boxer's performance.  I believe it is one or some of these reasons:


Ring rust - Lomachenco being idle to long can affect his first fight performance after a long vacation
Opponent boxing style - no matter how good or great the boxer is, there is always someone who can counter it regardless if  the opponent is popular or not, undefeated or full of defeats.
Opponent size advantage and reach advantage - it greatly affects how a boxer approaches his opponent, in this case, Jamaine has a 9 cm. reach advantage, which is huge especially when the boxer knows how to use this advantage.  So it is a great feat that Lomachenco won the fight despite his disadvantages.
Mind condition - I agree that the war might take some toll on Loma's mind condition, I think he needs more rest to remove the after-war effect.
Boxer's age -  this might be debatable but I think it is one of the factor too for a boxer for a diminishing great ring performance. (though I think Loma is still in his prime)

I never doubt Loma's training session, his camp is great on doing that.


I hope they come to a positive result.  Many fans long await this fight.

That's quite a lot of questions even after Lomachenko's victory vs Jamaine Ortiz, well, I understand you guys because I'm also trying to analyze what is up to Loma. Did we really set the bar too high? Or it's just Lomachenko is already old enough to be the Loma that we've known for years? I honestly don't know as well, I even thought that the questions up our head will be answered right after the fight but I guess that just lead us to a different questions.

Maybe the war has took some toll on him, that is why he is not the same Loma we've known before. I hope his fight with Haney will be discussed by both camps so that we can move on

So both fighters are lucky and probably getting a million each in their fight? or maybe 60/40 in favor of Prograis.

Nevertheless, it was good news that he got his money and I never heard of this promotional company before, and maybe they have deep pocket (in the beginning), to bid for a good price so that they can cover. But the question is, did the fight cover the expenses or at least did they get it back? That is a huge money for this kind of fight. No disrespect to both, but they have hit the lottery when MarvNation outbid their promotions, doubled what they can offer.

I haven't heard anything about Bivol though, initially he hasn't gotten his paycheck because it was put to hold because of him being a Russian citizen. Hopefully he has the money already in his win against Canelo.

I see. I did some search too because I wondered how much was Top Rank's bid. Can't find it though. But I learned that PBC also made a bid of $1.2 million. Anyways, it's a good thing both fighters received their purse. 140 will be alive and more competitive once again after Taylor vacated his 3 belts and his last 1 after his rematch with Catterall. The arrival of Teofimo Lopez and Ryan Garcia adds more flavor to this division. It says that Ramirez fights the winner but I think the former champion will pursue the WBO belt.

We might be interested back with real fight instead of discussing exhibitions, good fighter
will come up since the pandemic hits the economy but now that some recovery is showing
we might see more fights. I mean more interesting fights that will be offered to the fans,

we might be seeing cherry-picks, but better than watching charity fights that more on the moneymaking and not an actual fight that we will see real punches and close fist engagements.

I'm interested with this fight because when Fury fights, the fight is very exciting to watch. However, I just hope that he would choose a good opponent, someone who has a championship caliber, not an old boxer that are close to retirement age already. By the way, I love Roman Gonzales and Juan Francisco Estrada than this one.

But still it is a WBC belt fight. It cant be not interesting. Who cares if it is a cherry-picked fight or not, both fighters will get this fight in their record and huge money rewards. Besides, this is a heavyweight fight; a fight where a single punch can be a game changer. Anyway, strange that no one is interested in that fight, and to see a daily discussion of a boxer against youtuber fights (Pacquiao vs. DK Yoo, or Logan vs anyone).

Yes, it was MarvNation who won the bid, Probellum (Prograis promoter) bid $1,060,000 and Zanfer (Zepeda's promoter) bid  $1,004,500.

MarvNation bid a huge $2 million, but as of the latest, Prograis said that he got his bread already

Here is the video, maybe the bank just didn't clear it up as early because of the huge money involved or perhaps if Prograis didn't go to his social media, the money might be delayed.

https://twitter.com/RPrograis/status/1598430284600451093

It would be a good and a bad thing.  Good because Canelo will be fighting in his comfortable weight division, and bad because there is a possibility that his title will be put on the line.  I think a catchweight would be the best option and both titles should be on the line which makes it way more interesting.


   That would be insane if they don't allow Bivol to rehydrate, why not tell Bivol to knock himself out during the fight? 

Why not? This will be a true test for Canelo, how good he really is, by accepting Bivol to go down in weight.

And isn't it that will be in his advantage? Bivol is not a 168 lbs, he never fought in this division in his career. So all advantage points to Canelo in this fight, so why not give it to Bivol?

So yeah, we will hear another excuses for Canelo and Hearn, or maybe they will include like rehydration clause that Bivol can't go and rehydrate to this x weight during the fight. Meaning he can still weight drain Bivol even if he made 168 lbs in their fight night.

Soon Rico Verhoeven will fight again. Normally he always fights in the last quarter of the year, but this time it will be in the first quarter of 2023. I don't know exactly who that will be against. I have read that Overeem would have used prohibited substances in his match against Verhoeven, would a certain suspension be linked to that? He also looked very fit for someone of 40+. Too bad Badr Hari has stopped altogether. I think there is only one man on earth who can beat Verhoeven, and that is Ben Saddik.

This scenario might happen as long as it is not written on their contract that a rematch should only be contested at 175 lbs. where the first fight happened. But this case got me thinking, will Canelo accept the challenge and host the fight on his comfortable division? Regarding that his title will be at risk while Bivol don't have any troubles if he will get defeated because he has nothing to lose at 168 lbs. Not sure if it will be worth for Canelo because I bet he just want to take advantage of that rematch clause to make money.

Let's see if Canelo really has the balls. It should be a fight for the undisputed belts at 168. Canelo's top options now are Bivol, the Benavidez vs Plant winner, Andrade, and Charlo. If Canelo won't fight Bivol next, he will have an upcoming WBC mandatory probably against Benavidez.

I was surprised Top Rank was not the one promoting that fight neither was Probellum (Prograis promoter). Did it really go into a purse bid and MarvNation won it? Because the original call was Zepeda vs Ramirez but the latter showed no interest in a rematch. Hopefully, Prograis and Zepeda get paid asap.

Because Fury cherry-picked someone that has zero chance of becoming a world champion. What's more strange is he already beat the better versions of Chisora twice and they aren't even close. And with Chisora picking this fight in less than 2 months, Fury can probably carry the fight and can decide which round he will stop Chisora.

DAZN has the better event this weekend. The trilogy between Roman Gonzales and Juan Francisco Estrada.

I don't think Eddie Hearn and Canelo will agree to contest the fight at 168 lbs. or that dumb enough to even consider that idea Dmitry Bivol would loved to visit Canelo in his division where he doesn't have any titles to risk whereas Canelo got everything to lose, and if ever Canelo's camp will agree but with no titles on the line, I wouldn't be surprised that Bivol won't give him any attention because what's there to fight or where's the challenge if there will be no titles on the line. I think it will be unfair for Bivol because he also risked his belt during their first encounter.

Dimitry Bivol being tired of Canelo Alvarez's excuses just stated that he is willing to fight him at 168lbs.  So Canelo won't have any excuses that it is not his natural weight division.  This is very interesting in the development of their rematch, I wonder if the match would include the defense of Canelo's current title.  Would be exciting if it would be  .

It's just funny though that Prograis said that his check has bounce



https://twitter.com/RPrograis/status/1597966053719838721

So it's about a million paycheck for him in his knockout against Zepeda. In any case, I think this will be solved since he goes to the media already.

It's was MarvNation, a small promotional company based in Southern California who won the bid in this fight beating some notable names in boxing industry with more than $2 million as a bid price.

In two days Tyson Fury is going to have a third fight against Derek Chisora and YuginKadoya seems to be the only one who remember it, as there were only few posts about this fight during last 30 days. It is time to wake up boxing fans Why so silent ? No one is going to watch this fight ? Aged Chisora is no longer dangerous? Because Chisora havent won anyone convincingly since 2019? Undefeated WBC champion is about to have a belt defence, or even might have his last fight before retirement, and people show low interest in that fight. Strange...

Well, that's what you say, and as long as there are those rivalries that are very good for us because that translates into the fact that we are going to have some very good matches and that we must take advantage of not losing them, it is good for us, because from the beginning of the year to except for me, I am a person who imagines what fights can happen in the year, and obviously one imagines sometimes these that are quite good, but everything depends on the infrastructure that the managers have, and sponsors to offer us the best shows, then everything is linked there to the best, that is why the boxing industry also survives, because the money that is handled is very high.


Well to be honest I think neither of the two boxers should be underestimated, I think Loma's style is different from Hanney's, if it were Loma he would be much more careful, Hanney is undoubtedly one of the most experienced boxers they have, and he would I consider him to be a very high-level boxer, on the other hand, Loma is not a boxer who wants to throw everything away, he is a boxer who will always want to do something good in order to get ahead, although he has had some mistakes in his strategies and that sometimes he can't figure out what it is, I think he has a good chance that he can do it right.

Jake Paul has seemingly doubled down on this bet and has offered to send Paddie a private jet to fly him to Puerto Rico for their spar.  A bit unfortunate that they are both playing this, "come to me" game.  That's what makes me think this will never happen, but Paddie certainly could use the million dollars so I will never say never.  It might even be fun to see Paddie put on a ton of weight for a fight instead of the other way around.  Not sure this would be great for his future fighting in the UFC, but a million dollars is a lot of UFC fights...

Vasyl Lomachenko's last fight was with Jamaine Ortiz and I think Ortiz did a great job with their fight but still, Lomachenko has become dominant in their fight when Ortiz sends a punch to Lomachenko's guard he surely counters it with his own combination, Vasyl Lomachenko has given Ortiz the pressure on that fight, now regarding what is next to Vasyl Lomachenko I really think like you have said he can surely observe his opponent movement and can adjust his style on who is his opponent,


Well given another opportunity that these two would fight chance that Jamaine Ortiz will be prepared and knows what his going to do with Lomachenko I can say he surely showed a great performance against Lomachenko and given time and preparation I think he can win their fight at some point, but knowing Lomachenko skill he can also be prepared for Ortiz, but there will be a chance that Ortiz can have his way if they fight again,