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And the age of Pacquiao back then when he fought Thurman and with the one that Ugas fought it can have a significant impact, a 40-year-old Pacquaio against Keith Thurman is faster, agile, and has more power, than the 43 years old Pacquiao and partly Manny Pacquaio doesn't have a great chin and his durability was lessen now than with the ones that Thurman fought, and add up that many disturbance on his boxing career so it is really the right call to say his retirement,


Yup! there is no given schedule yet, all of these are rumors or speculation but with all this hype about the fight well you will never know if promoters decided to continue this fight because they know that if they push this fight then many will surely watch it,  I think the promoters will surely think twice before getting the fight on a roll they would surely want a fight that can make big, so eventually, maybe I am just wishing but as I have said we can surely never know,

Since he made it to politics successfully while doing his boxing career, and even reach one of the highest government positions which is being part of the Senate, he is confident that even though he has lots of things on his plate, he can still manage.

Unlike before when he is really giving more time to his preparations every time he has an upcoming fight, it seems that is not the case when Pacquiao-Spence's fight has finally become official.

If we watched this video of Pacquiao doing conditioning in preparation against Spence, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pgm8yG7KnMU ,many got amazed that he still has that speed. But since he has lots of things on his plates, he wasn't even able to use that speed against the assigned boxer to replace Spence, Yordenis Ugas, that is not even a threat.

Even at over 40's years of age, Pacquiao should be still in good shape and can beat Ugas without a problem.

But since he is not fully focused on his training and conditioning like usual, he enters the ring with a lack of ammunition. If he fights Spence maybe he got even ended up being Knocked Out. I think he also claimed that he has a minor injury before the fight but stop of his excuses.

It's good that after Pacquiao loses the fight, he realized what thing he needs to focus on and he did that, which is focusing on his election campaign.

i may agree with you here. it seemed that he had a lot of things on his plate on his last years of his boxing career owed to being politician. so the focus in my opinion was not the same as compared to when he was in this sports during his early years. but i salute to his achievements in the world of boxing. one way or another, he touched also a lot of lives even indirectly, like giving inspiration to younger boxers and to even regular individuals who want to uplift their economic status in life. even legends retire so to speak.

I disagree with that. If replacement is one of the possible reasons why Pacquiao lost, then it means his strategy for his supposed opponent, Spence Jr. will not work on Ugas? That does not make sense as no offense to Ugas but he's not that a big deal therefore any Pacquiao strategy should work against Ugas. He might just mention it to save his ass from losing against Ugas.

Some of the reasons why Pacquiao loses in that match against Ugas are:

- He needs to take care of the lawsuit filed by Paradigm Sports Management with his legal team.
- Before leaving the PH for his training, released an expose' that he has big information about those corrupt government officials but until today, no one is even mentioned by him.
- He did that expose' as part of building his name as he is running for the PH Presidency and even exchanged words against the administration at that time.

To summarize all of these, he is too much comfortable dealing with several tasks at the same time like he thinks he can handle all of them without a problem.

There is no scheduled fight between Keith Thurman and Yodenis Ugas yet, these discussions are just mere speculations that Keith might face Ugas next after he defeated Barrios last February in his comeback from being inactive for almost 3 years but yes, we may see this fight going to happen soon somewhere in the 1st quarter of 2023 if the organizers are feeling the hype between this two.

I haven't heard anything about that but we will see soon if their fight will happen because I am confident that an issue like that will surface again as we know fans loved to dig up some histories.

Indeed it was just a potential fight.  If nothing else happens on the other possible matches of the two boxer, this even may happen.  But of course if one of the camp happen to close a deal with other boxers then this might not happen.


Ugas was out of the radar before he fight Manny, and it is to be expected that a boxer who defeated a legend would be earning hypes but it is up to the boxer to maintain them.  

I think Thurman will be ready to face Ugas anytime, unless his promoter has someone in mind.  After all, it isn't the fighter who chooses their opponent, it is their manager/promoter who make deals.

I will also side with Keith Thurman if a bout against Ugas will happen soon, we cannot compare them when they faced Pacman because they both fought Pacman in different period of time and I also believe that if Ugas happens to fight Pacman before or after the Thurman fight then Ugas will be frankly defeated. As said above, when Ugas faced Pacman, the latter is not that focused in his traning and preparations anymore as he is currently a senator at that time while also preparing to run for president too.

I think Keith Thurman wants to fight Errol Spence he said that he wants to fight the winner of the Yordenis Ugas VS Errol Spences fight, so Spence has won the match so I think they would likely make a fight of Keith Thurman VS Errol Spence 1st before dealing with a Thurman VS Yordenis Ugas but likely fans are crying for a Ugas VS Spence fight, but surely Keith Thurman is on Hiatus now, so likely hat 2023 fight for him is more of a speculative fight or rumor,



If he wants to fight Keith Thurman he better go back to the 147 lbs weight cut, for the Welterweight division, because if he can not there be a rematch, and likely if Danny Garcia believes he won that fight he will do anything to get that rematch, because I have watched their fight all over and pretty much it is a solid Keith Thurman domination for sure It could be a decision win but all scores pertaining that Keith Thurman really won the fight, there is no doubt about that,

But for me if there could be a rematch between Keith Thurman and Danny Garcia I would also love to watch it, and for Keith Thurman to put a dot on that fight

There was talk, but Danny Garcia has move to154 lbs already, and his father says that he can't make 147 lbs. But they have been calling for a rematch because he didn't think his son lost to Thurman. But then again, it seems that Keith is on a hiatus, yes there is the pandemic, but everyone is trying to get back at boxing and Keith seems to be taking a leave of absence again in boxing. So if he is potentially going back, it might be next year and it could be against Ugas and because that is a good fight in my opinion.

I tried to look up the date on when this fight will happen, but it was just said as a potential fight in 2023. I am not sure if that is right.

Regarding popularity, Ugas did float his name wider when he fought with PacMan while Thurman on the other hand is already popular to everyone because of his knockout capability and only one loss that soiled his record.
The big question, is Thurman ready? Because a lot of discussions happened if he avoided the chance for Super World Welterweight match against Ugas because of weight issues. But he fought again in February which is a pretty good sign.

I could say Keith Thurman Enjoyed that fight, and that is the 1st fight that Danny Garcia has lost, but I think if these two would fight again, I think Thurman can chase those times that he is not fighting anymore, a few laps and a few rounds on the punching bag training is the only way for Keith Thurman and he will surely be back on shape in no time, for the Danny Garcia fight Thurman is in control of the fight and was dominating the shots but yeah his shots was not impactful for Garcia, and for him to win against Ugas he needs to keep on moving,


No one really likes Yordenis Ugas, well I don't know why but there is not much fan base for him, while Keith Thurman pretty much has many people backing him up, for me, Thurman got a chance against Ugas, but yes this would surely go the distance both fighters doesn't have that power punch to TKO win an opponent, with Keith Thurman explosive shots and fast combination so the volume of punches will surely let him win, while Yordenis Ugas has a tendency to counter when he caught his opponent with his defense, but Ugas also is a volume puncher, but overall this is an exciting match to see,

Style makes a fight when there are two fighters facing each other the outcome will always be on the style of fighting, Thurman loves to attack Ugas is more on counterpunch, the possibility of the fight going the distance between these two is very likely and knock out could go either way, with Thurman finds an opening when he attacks Ugas or Ugas caught him with a big punch upon countering, it takes two to tango to produce a knockout, and it will go down to who's style implement a good plan and of course power will play a factor on this match.

It is very possible that the fight between Thurman and Ugas will go a distance.  Ugas is somehow a defensive fighter so it would be a challenge for Thurman to crack Ugas' defense.  This will be an interesting fight between a boxer that defeated Manny and a Boxer that is defeated by Manny. 

Even though Thurman is defeated by Manny, it looks like he will be the crowd favorite between the two.

Yes, it will be a great match and could be 50/50 fight. I'm seeing a Danny Garcia type fight for Thurman, which he edged when they fought by a Split decision, but it was very close that there are fans who think that Garcia won that fight.

However, that was during Thurman's time, haven't been injured and still undefeated. He did make a comeback against  a ballooned 140 lbs in Barrios and fought at 147 lbs. So Ugas might posed a different challenge if ever this two square in the ring and it could go to distance.

I think this is a good chance for Keith Thurman to really show what he can really do inside the ring and to mark that he really returns after that Mario Barrios fight, if Errol Spence and a Terence Crawford would not make it, then either of the two and Keith Thurman is an event saver, but I think Terence Crawford will be a hard fight for Thurman that is for sure, but I think Errol Spence will likely the one that he can have a shot to really win, but this is just my opinion because these two big shots is a real hard fight for Keith Thurman,


If he would fight Ugas for me he could have a really hard time against him that taken down Pacquiao, but good conditioning and he is younger than Pacquiao so he can take on a few shots but I'd say he will not be dominant against Ugas and I really doubt if that could happen Yordenis Ugas is a quite versatile boxer that can suede any damage he took, and Thurman also needs to fill his gas tank because I think Ugas got decent cardio,


That was a very different Manny Pacquiao that is younger, faster, and has that quite devastating punch that could knock out even Ugas, but sadly because of his age, and likely having busy with political roles, all those focused on boxing could not be found in him anymore, for me if he still has those quite sharp punches he can beat Ugas but it is now Keith Thurman's turn and for me, I might take Keith Thurman winning here, he is been beloved by other fans of Pacquiao now that he also become very good friends with Pacquaio, because Manny Pacquiao is a loving fighter that be friended even his recent opponents,

People should not hype Ugas just because he won against Pacquiao. Even I'm not taking any excuses why Pacquiao loses to him, the people's champ is not at his 100% on that fight both physically and mentally. If he will return to ring and fight Thurman, his winning rate is low. Thurman even coming for a long break doesn't have any distractions on his mind when he return to ring.

For sure once Ugas and Thurman face each other, Ugas might now finally retire as Thurman will pulverize him. No offense to Ugas.

I'd say Thurman has a better percentage of winning this one.  Manny is fully prepared and fully trained for the strategy to use when he fight Thurman. While on the other hand, Manny doesn't have enough time to prepare a good strategy for Ugas since Ugas came in as a replacement 11 days before the scheduled fight.  It is also one of the possible reasons Manny stated why he lost when he was interviewed. [1]


Definitely, the last lost of Ugas would give him lessons and pointers on what to improve next.  I think we will be seeing a good matchup here since their tale of the tape isn't far from each other.[2]

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[1] https://youtu.be/V60fqN7wjHI?t=854
[2] https://box.live/fights/ugas-vs-thurman/

This will help Thurman in case the negotiation take place, a good comeback or motivation if ever he beat Ugas who beat Pacquiao who eventually beats him, the moral that Thurman may gain here is something that might push him more to come back and challenge a title holder, though it's not an easy fight as we have seen Ugas and his defensive tactics, too early to though and still needs to wait for any updates if ever a fight for Ugas will take place.

On the money side, it's a good move from his camp, if ever that he or they are planning for his retirement, having a great fight
can bring him a decent amount of money, especially if the promoters will take care of the advertisement.


Thurman have that capabilities it's just so happen that Pacquiao manage to bring him down from the early rounds of their fight but we have seen him fighting back though not enough to impress the judge and the fans, but if ever that they'll be able to push this possible fight, I agree that bookies will favor Thurman here, fan base maybe he will get that edge.

I'd say it's 50/50

Thurman lose against Pacquiao, but Ugas won. Ugas lose against Porter, but Thurman won.

I think the lose from Spence before will giving Ugas a good lesson because this is the first time he got KO'ed and would make him to improve his chin. However if the fight will happen, it's not surprised if Thurman will be favorite because he have better record.