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September 01, 2022, 04:24:26 PM
With the experience he have in the industry and the talent he possess, I can say that Donaire will be deadly in the lower division but the catch is that we must accept that he isn't the Filipino Flash that we used to know anymore as he's already aging but the power is still there, I don't doubt it. But yes, you are right these are just mere speculations and we should watch him first before saying that he should already retire.
If he still wants to get into fights and wants to dominate then he'll do the stepping down. But if not, he'll do whatever he takes before he retires.

Aging really matters in terms of an athletic career, especially in this type of sport that needs physical contact.

But, as of now, we don't hear a lot from him and we still need to wait for the announcement on what his next step.

It is very difficult to determine how Donaire's behavior will be for now, many are saying that he is already very old and that he cannot do things like before, that he is not at the level of a young boxer, but I think that this should not be trusted , I think it is time to also have to fear or be careful of all the experience he has, in my personal opinion, if I had to fight someone like that, I would be much more careful, because this type of boxer knows his abilities very well and They know when they can give everything, just as they know how to measure the capabilities of a boxer who is an opponent.

If Donaire really goes down to a lower weight limit , I think he will be one of the forces to be reckoned with.  A lighter boxer tends to have less powerful punches, except of course for some exceptions.  I believe Donaire can handle punches really well in the lighter category, plus his punch will be devastating.  If he is what he is saying then I can see Donaire reigning in the 115-weight division.

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September 01, 2022, 04:14:03 PM
With the experience he have in the industry and the talent he possess, I can say that Donaire will be deadly in the lower division but the catch is that we must accept that he isn't the Filipino Flash that we used to know anymore as he's already aging but the power is still there, I don't doubt it. But yes, you are right these are just mere speculations and we should watch him first before saying that he should already retire.
If he still wants to get into fights and wants to dominate then he'll do the stepping down. But if not, he'll do whatever he takes before he retires.

Aging really matters in terms of an athletic career, especially in this type of sport that needs physical contact.

But, as of now, we don't hear a lot from him and we still need to wait for the announcement on what his next step.

It is very difficult to determine how Donaire's behavior will be for now, many are saying that he is already very old and that he cannot do things like before, that he is not at the level of a young boxer, but I think that this should not be trusted , I think it is time to also have to fear or be careful of all the experience he has, in my personal opinion, if I had to fight someone like that, I would be much more careful, because this type of boxer knows his abilities very well and They know when they can give everything, just as they know how to measure the capabilities of a boxer who is an opponent.

Jake Paul has announced his next opponent is Anderson Silva. I think Jake might have but off a little more than he can chew this time. Sure, Silva is damn near 50 years old, but he’s got power that Jake hasn’t seen before. I like this fight. I’d rather have seen him fight Andrew Tate, but this was unexpected and a nice surprise.

looking at the two fighters I strongly believe that anderson silva will be victorious in this fight, that's because anderson silva had some boxing matches against strong opponents and he had a good performance, not to mention that the guy is an experienced MMA fighter, of course in boxing he can still be an amateur, but the fact that he fought in mma gives him some advantage over being more aggressive, being a person with good reflexes and knowing several fights, on the other hand we have Jake Paul who, despite being a young with some fights and victories against fighters who are also strong he is still young and doesn't have the fighting experience that anderson silva has. That's why for me anderson silva wins this fight, Jake Paul will definitely come out of this fight sad

I think Jake Paul has experienced fighting people in MMA and this is not the first time he is fighting one.  According to the record, he had a match against a former MMA fighter and won a 1st round TKO, and a former UFC champion twice winning with a split decision.  But thinking that the two previous opponent styles are wrestling, Jake Paul might probably have trouble facing Silva since Silva's fighting style includes boxing.  But one thing is hindering Silva in this fight, and that is his age. Fighting at 47 would take a toll for sure.  If I disregard the age factor, I would agree with you.

Yes, and if I'm not mistaken, either of the brothers have boxing experience so they can really fight those UFC fighters and win. But as you have said, Silva is well rounded, including a stand up boxing style.

But the age though, maybe once Paul touches that chin of Silva, he will go down. He is not known to have a good chin, maybe he can protect it. However, one punch can change the complexion of the fight.

This is very true, for me Paul has a great punch, and although it seems somewhat crude to give him a good fist on the chin it is in the rules that can do it, I really believe that Silva has everything to win, without detracting from Paul , because Silve has more experience, he knows how to fight him and the best of all is that he can handle the times in his favor, that is something that only those with more experience have.

And I am much more inclined towards Silva since a fighter who has a style focused on boxing is much more efficient wherever you look at him, even in his training he is usually much stronger, a boxer will always excel in any martial art due to the fact of being a sport where all the time you are receiving blows to the face.
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September 01, 2022, 04:05:11 PM
Jake Paul has announced his next opponent is Anderson Silva. I think Jake might have but off a little more than he can chew this time. Sure, Silva is damn near 50 years old, but he’s got power that Jake hasn’t seen before. I like this fight. I’d rather have seen him fight Andrew Tate, but this was unexpected and a nice surprise.

looking at the two fighters I strongly believe that anderson silva will be victorious in this fight, that's because anderson silva had some boxing matches against strong opponents and he had a good performance, not to mention that the guy is an experienced MMA fighter, of course in boxing he can still be an amateur, but the fact that he fought in mma gives him some advantage over being more aggressive, being a person with good reflexes and knowing several fights, on the other hand we have Jake Paul who, despite being a young with some fights and victories against fighters who are also strong he is still young and doesn't have the fighting experience that anderson silva has. That's why for me anderson silva wins this fight, Jake Paul will definitely come out of this fight sad

I think Jake Paul has experienced fighting people in MMA and this is not the first time he is fighting one.  According to the record, he had a match against a former MMA fighter and won a 1st round TKO, and a former UFC champion twice winning with a split decision.  But thinking that the two previous opponent styles are wrestling, Jake Paul might probably have trouble facing Silva since Silva's fighting style includes boxing.  But one thing is hindering Silva in this fight, and that is his age. Fighting at 47 would take a toll for sure.  If I disregard the age factor, I would agree with you.

Yes, and if I'm not mistaken, either of the brothers have boxing experience so they can really fight those UFC fighters and win. But as you have said, Silva is well rounded, including a stand up boxing style.

But the age though, maybe once Paul touches that chin of Silva, he will go down. He is not known to have a good chin, maybe he can protect it. However, one punch can change the complexion of the fight.
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September 01, 2022, 03:34:08 PM
Jake Paul has announced his next opponent is Anderson Silva. I think Jake might have but off a little more than he can chew this time. Sure, Silva is damn near 50 years old, but he’s got power that Jake hasn’t seen before. I like this fight. I’d rather have seen him fight Andrew Tate, but this was unexpected and a nice surprise.

looking at the two fighters I strongly believe that anderson silva will be victorious in this fight, that's because anderson silva had some boxing matches against strong opponents and he had a good performance, not to mention that the guy is an experienced MMA fighter, of course in boxing he can still be an amateur, but the fact that he fought in mma gives him some advantage over being more aggressive, being a person with good reflexes and knowing several fights, on the other hand we have Jake Paul who, despite being a young with some fights and victories against fighters who are also strong he is still young and doesn't have the fighting experience that anderson silva has. That's why for me anderson silva wins this fight, Jake Paul will definitely come out of this fight sad

I think Jake Paul has experienced fighting people in MMA and this is not the first time he is fighting one.  According to the record, he had a match against a former MMA fighter and won a 1st round TKO, and a former UFC champion twice winning with a split decision.  But thinking that the two previous opponent styles are wrestling, Jake Paul might probably have trouble facing Silva since Silva's fighting style includes boxing.  But one thing is hindering Silva in this fight, and that is his age. Fighting at 47 would take a toll for sure.  If I disregard the age factor, I would agree with you.
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September 01, 2022, 03:12:15 PM
Jake Paul has announced his next opponent is Anderson Silva. I think Jake might have but off a little more than he can chew this time. Sure, Silva is damn near 50 years old, but he’s got power that Jake hasn’t seen before. I like this fight. I’d rather have seen him fight Andrew Tate, but this was unexpected and a nice surprise.

looking at the two fighters I strongly believe that anderson silva will be victorious in this fight, that's because anderson silva had some boxing matches against strong opponents and he had a good performance, not to mention that the guy is an experienced MMA fighter, of course in boxing he can still be an amateur, but the fact that he fought in mma gives him some advantage over being more aggressive, being a person with good reflexes and knowing several fights, on the other hand we have Jake Paul who, despite being a young with some fights and victories against fighters who are also strong he is still young and doesn't have the fighting experience that anderson silva has. That's why for me anderson silva wins this fight, Jake Paul will definitely come out of this fight sad
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September 01, 2022, 01:28:10 PM
Jake Paul has announced his next opponent is Anderson Silva. I think Jake might have but off a little more than he can chew this time. Sure, Silva is damn near 50 years old, but he’s got power that Jake hasn’t seen before. I like this fight. I’d rather have seen him fight Andrew Tate, but this was unexpected and a nice surprise.
He still have a power, but I think it's unlikely we might see Jake will lost here.

Silva has nothing to lose here, he doesn't have a clean record, he wouldn't mind to get one or more losses due to his old ages. As we can see after he's already 38 years old, almost all of his result only keep losing, he only won once from 9 fought. Another thing he's a MMA fighter, his strength mainly on kick, not punch.

I just take this fight for entertain only and obviously I will bet Paul if the odds isn't really low, we're know Paul will win lol.

Of course, Jake Paul will be the one with the widest smile after the fight because of the victory he could get from this fight but this won't gather him any hype at all because Silva is not already in his A-game and we can't really expect that Silva can defeat Jake Paul. Also, I'm thinking that Jake Paul is just testing the water if this fight will be profitable for both sides especially for him as he will garner the most revenue.
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September 01, 2022, 10:57:32 AM

You are right, and it doesn't really matter what a popular person does - his followers will look at it with interest anyway. If you take twitch, then the most popular streamers, no matter what they do - from just chatting to playing some kind of stupid game (not interesting to anyone if you don’t take into account who plays it) always collect a huge number of viewers. Similarly with these fights - legends are always interesting, even if they have grown old and cannot be competitive in purely professional sports.

As long as the promoters do their job it can be converted to a huge amount of profits, legends are happy for giving them chance/opportunities to step back inside the ring, with a good amount of offers and with some medical securities that will be discussed behind those fighters even they are no longer on their fighting shape they will accept the challenge.

There's something inside them that will continue to be delighted once a fight being schedule, especially if they see fans who are still cheering for them and still happy to see them fighting.
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September 01, 2022, 10:03:29 AM
But I think that this is quite normal and even logical. Top boxers fight once a year (at best) and not every fight is interesting. It is difficult enough to be satisfied with such rare events. Unlike professional fights, show fights are almost guaranteed to provide entertainment and they can be held at least every week - literally as much as the public is willing to pay with their attention and money. The pandemic has popularized this type of entertainment, but this does not mean that at the end of the pandemic, the public should cool off for such fights.

There are still fans who wanted to see their former champ to fight inside the ring and promoters are taking advantage knowing that there's still ticket sales that they can convert each time they offer this kind of events. Even it's no longer the same crowd as with the pandemic but they can still collect a good amount of money for this kind of fights.

It's on the fans and the gamblers who are still thinking that they are willing to take that gamble and enjoy the fight.

You are right, and it doesn't really matter what a popular person does - his followers will look at it with interest anyway. If you take twitch, then the most popular streamers, no matter what they do - from just chatting to playing some kind of stupid game (not interesting to anyone if you don’t take into account who plays it) always collect a huge number of viewers. Similarly with these fights - legends are always interesting, even if they have grown old and cannot be competitive in purely professional sports.
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September 01, 2022, 03:29:43 AM
Probably a pro-debut  Grin.  I am looking for a reply from people who don't want an exhibition fight like this but it looks like I can't find one  Cheesy.  It looks like they already accepted the fact that boxing is not only a sport but more a business thing.  I like watching Silva in his MMA moments, but I wonder if he can fare enough with boxing.  So I am thinking of exhausted Silva after round 4.
Unlike before, it's all about winning. Now, they are coming in because of the mountain of money involved in it. I still admire boxers who are putting a lot of effort into their body and training. Like Pacquiao for example, but there will always be that thought of most of the time it's about money. It was stained by this kind of bout so it should not be seriously taken.
Definitely! But still, it is interesting to watch a fight like this, especially when a person involved had made a dominating fighter impression on our minds.
As a fan of Silva yes, I would love to watch it too. Who would not want to watch a kid (Jake Paul) being beaten by a 47-year-old? Silva will have a lot of support from those who want to shut down this kind of guy.
You already fall for the hype, Lol, because that is the same tactic that Floyd uses, everyone wanted to see his fight and wanted to see him being knockout like by Manny, but he didn't happen.

So maybe the same mindset here, Silva is legendary during his prime he just toys with the best middleweight MMA fighter. And he has a successful boxing career if I'm not mistaken. So we want him to give Jake Paul a lesson not to mess with a legend. But I doubt that it will happen, seems this could be rig and Paul hands is going to be raised as the winner.
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September 01, 2022, 01:26:14 AM
Probably a pro-debut  Grin.  I am looking for a reply from people who don't want an exhibition fight like this but it looks like I can't find one  Cheesy.  It looks like they already accepted the fact that boxing is not only a sport but more a business thing.  I like watching Silva in his MMA moments, but I wonder if he can fare enough with boxing.  So I am thinking of exhausted Silva after round 4.
Unlike before, it's all about winning. Now, they are coming in because of the mountain of money involved in it. I still admire boxers who are putting a lot of effort into their body and training. Like Pacquiao for example, but there will always be that thought of most of the time it's about money. It was stained by this kind of bout so it should not be seriously taken.
Definitely! But still, it is interesting to watch a fight like this, especially when a person involved had made a dominating fighter impression on our minds.
As a fan of Silva yes, I would love to watch it too. Who would not want to watch a kid (Jake Paul) being beaten by a 47-year-old? Silva will have a lot of support from those who want to shut down this kind of guy.
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August 31, 2022, 03:23:11 PM
Jake Paul has announced his next opponent is Anderson Silva. I think Jake might have but off a little more than he can chew this time. Sure, Silva is damn near 50 years old, but he’s got power that Jake hasn’t seen before. I like this fight. I’d rather have seen him fight Andrew Tate, but this was unexpected and a nice surprise.

Is this an exhibition fight? Or Anderson Silva is making his pro-debut in boxing at an age of 47? Grin
I already knew this fight would come after Jake's fight has been cancelled against Rahman Jr., it was already rumored that Jake would fight Silva but ignored it as it will be an another money fight for Jake Paul. Sure, Silva is a professional and deadly athlete but that's on octagon and not in the ring.

Probably a pro-debut  Grin.  I am looking for a reply from people who don't want an exhibition fight like this but it looks like I can't find one  Cheesy.  It looks like they already accepted the fact that boxing is not only a sport but more a business thing.  I like watching Silva in his MMA moments, but I wonder if he can fare enough with boxing.  So I am thinking of exhausted Silva after round 4.

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Also, Silva is already old enough and I'd say this he is just after the guaranteed money he can get after the fight.

Definitely! But still, it is interesting to watch a fight like this, especially when a person involved had made a dominating fighter impression on our minds.
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August 31, 2022, 12:59:48 PM
Jake Paul has announced his next opponent is Anderson Silva. I think Jake might have but off a little more than he can chew this time. Sure, Silva is damn near 50 years old, but he’s got power that Jake hasn’t seen before. I like this fight. I’d rather have seen him fight Andrew Tate, but this was unexpected and a nice surprise.

Is this an exhibition fight? Or Anderson Silva is making his pro-debut in boxing at an age of 47? Grin
I already knew this fight would come after Jake's fight has been cancelled against Rahman Jr., it was already rumored that Jake would fight Silva but ignored it as it will be an another money fight for Jake Paul. Sure, Silva is a professional and deadly athlete but that's on octagon and not in the ring. Also, Silva is already old enough and I'd say this he is just after the guaranteed money he can get after the fight.
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August 31, 2022, 11:24:54 AM
Jake Paul has announced his next opponent is Anderson Silva. I think Jake might have but off a little more than he can chew this time. Sure, Silva is damn near 50 years old, but he’s got power that Jake hasn’t seen before. I like this fight. I’d rather have seen him fight Andrew Tate, but this was unexpected and a nice surprise.
He still have a power, but I think it's unlikely we might see Jake will lost here.

Silva has nothing to lose here, he doesn't have a clean record, he wouldn't mind to get one or more losses due to his old ages. As we can see after he's already 38 years old, almost all of his result only keep losing, he only won once from 9 fought. Another thing he's a MMA fighter, his strength mainly on kick, not punch.

I just take this fight for entertain only and obviously I will bet Paul if the odds isn't really low, we're know Paul will win lol.

Anderson Silva once was one of the best in the world but after he got beat by Chris Weidman, the match in which Anderson Silva tried to showboat a little too much and got knocked out, Anderson Silva has not been the same.

If I remember correctly he lost six fights among the eight that he fought after that. And it is understandable because the guy is getting old.

Jake Paul is very powerful. And obviously in my opinion has a better punching power compared to Anderson Silva currently in my opinion. Honestly, it is not going to be very surprising if Jake Paul actually ends up winning. After all, he has been winning fights that he wasn’t supposed to win, right?
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August 31, 2022, 11:24:30 AM
 
I just hope that he have learned the lesson that being overconfident is also dangerous. But yes, despite that he's aware of who can he beat and win.

It's better for him to have that emotion set at the normal setting so that it won't overwhelm him when he's on another match whether it will be from a lower division fighter or of the same.

Who? Donaire? I don't really think that he have that kind of attitude where goes being overconfident to his foe because of his capabilities, we know Donaire's attitude towards Inoue though but none of it shouts that he's overconfident.

Even us didn't really expected that Inoue will evolve that much because we think that they will still have a long 12-round fight where there will be a long blow-by-blow punches all the way to the 12th round. But Inoue finished Donaire in just 2 rounds with a stoppage.
On his match with Inoue, he said that he's going to beat Inoue and that's what I think that he became overconfident on that time. That's just my opinion and if you think guys that it's not a sign that he's overconfident with those words, that's okay.

It is what I've thought of him.

But I want the best for him if he ever will have another match again. We all love to see him back and healthy again with a win.

Well, I think Donaire can beat Inoue if he is still in his prime, but sadly his body can't catch up with his words since he already lost a lot of speed due to aging in their fight.  But as far as I know, Donaire has never been overconfident in his fight, to the point that he is slacking in training.  Having a self confidence is helpful in a boxer since he can think clearly and won't be intimidated by the opponent.



Yes, right. Those words that Donaire has said before the fight isn't a sign of being an overconfident but he is just confident on himself that in the rematch he is more prepared. But when the rematch started, it was evident that Inoue has evolved into a literal monster where Donaire was left astonished because he didn't expected that at all, Inoue now is really on a different level!
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August 31, 2022, 07:02:35 AM
I'm surprised that those kind of fights are still a thing, I could understand that when we were in the middle of the pandemic and there was almost no sports events being held all around the world and people were extremely hungry for anything that seemed to be even remotely related to sports then those kind of fights got incredibly popular, but now that we can see professionals boxers fighting at the top of their skill then I do not really see the point of those fights anymore.

But I think that this is quite normal and even logical. Top boxers fight once a year (at best) and not every fight is interesting. It is difficult enough to be satisfied with such rare events. Unlike professional fights, show fights are almost guaranteed to provide entertainment and they can be held at least every week - literally as much as the public is willing to pay with their attention and money. The pandemic has popularized this type of entertainment, but this does not mean that at the end of the pandemic, the public should cool off for such fights.

There are still fans who wanted to see their former champ to fight inside the ring and promoters are taking advantage knowing that there's still ticket sales that they can convert each time they offer this kind of events. Even it's no longer the same crowd as with the pandemic but they can still collect a good amount of money for this kind of fights.

It's on the fans and the gamblers who are still thinking that they are willing to take that gamble and enjoy the fight.
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August 31, 2022, 05:17:10 AM
Right, that's what they basically do right now in boxing/MMA, exhibition fights with former champions and then see how much money they can make it. Not sure how much guarantee money is for Silva, but I will speculate that it could be in the millions and then Jake Paul taking the lionshare of it. For sure there are still fans that is willing to go to live gate and watch it or buy PPV. So in any case, it's a win win. However, for pure boxing fans, not sure if they will bet on it or want to watch this kind of exhibition matches.
Yes, it's hard to find the excitement for matches like this that's why bettors would just let it pass, I mean for me that will be the case.
It's a money-building thing and just for mere entertainment. Some would want to watch the fight being a long-time fan of Anderson Silva and some scouts also trying to figure out if he still has the power. And maybe, who knows, create something out of it. Turn it into a trend and fix more matches for him even at his age.
Paul should still be careful though as that hands of Silva are packed with a lot of power. If he gets knocked out, he better keep laying on the mat.
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August 31, 2022, 05:02:15 AM
I'm surprised that those kind of fights are still a thing, I could understand that when we were in the middle of the pandemic and there was almost no sports events being held all around the world and people were extremely hungry for anything that seemed to be even remotely related to sports then those kind of fights got incredibly popular, but now that we can see professionals boxers fighting at the top of their skill then I do not really see the point of those fights anymore.

But I think that this is quite normal and even logical. Top boxers fight once a year (at best) and not every fight is interesting. It is difficult enough to be satisfied with such rare events. Unlike professional fights, show fights are almost guaranteed to provide entertainment and they can be held at least every week - literally as much as the public is willing to pay with their attention and money. The pandemic has popularized this type of entertainment, but this does not mean that at the end of the pandemic, the public should cool off for such fights.
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August 31, 2022, 04:29:09 AM
Jake Paul has announced his next opponent is Anderson Silva. I think Jake might have but off a little more than he can chew this time. Sure, Silva is damn near 50 years old, but he’s got power that Jake hasn’t seen before. I like this fight. I’d rather have seen him fight Andrew Tate, but this was unexpected and a nice surprise.
He still have a power, but I think it's unlikely we might see Jake will lost here.

Silva has nothing to lose here, he doesn't have a clean record, he wouldn't mind to get one or more losses due to his old ages. As we can see after he's already 38 years old, almost all of his result only keep losing, he only won once from 9 fought. Another thing he's a MMA fighter, his strength mainly on kick, not punch.

I just take this fight for entertain only and obviously I will bet Paul if the odds isn't really low, we're know Paul will win lol.
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August 31, 2022, 04:07:52 AM
Jake Paul has announced his next opponent is Anderson Silva. I think Jake might have but off a little more than he can chew this time. Sure, Silva is damn near 50 years old, but he’s got power that Jake hasn’t seen before. I like this fight. I’d rather have seen him fight Andrew Tate, but this was unexpected and a nice surprise.
Not surprised to see that the Paul brothers still have this type of fight. Well, just another buck making match for them and as well as for Anderson.
The match is said to happen by October, no odds yet for this match on stake but most likely we'll see when we go near to the match date.

Right, that's what they basically do right now in boxing/MMA, exhibition fights with former champions and then see how much money they can make it. Not sure how much guarantee money is for Silva, but I will speculate that it could be in the millions and then Jake Paul taking the lionshare of it. For sure there are still fans that is willing to go to live gate and watch it or buy PPV. So in any case, it's a win win. However, for pure boxing fans, not sure if they will bet on it or want to watch this kind of exhibition matches.
It's a money making business so everyone shouldn't be shock by the Paul brothers. They shock the internet and now they are conquering exhibitions matches will huge revenues in the millions. so they will continue to do it as long as fans are willing to buy.

But as you have said, pure boxing fans doesn't like the idea of this kind of matches. Might be good in the pandemic, when Tyson and Roy Jones Jr fought for pure entertainment and so called money being raised for charity. But after that, it's all business, Floyd and the Paul brothers.
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August 30, 2022, 09:30:47 PM
Jake Paul has announced his next opponent is Anderson Silva. I think Jake might have but off a little more than he can chew this time. Sure, Silva is damn near 50 years old, but he’s got power that Jake hasn’t seen before. I like this fight. I’d rather have seen him fight Andrew Tate, but this was unexpected and a nice surprise.
Not surprised to see that the Paul brothers still have this type of fight. Well, just another buck making match for them and as well as for Anderson.
The match is said to happen by October, no odds yet for this match on stake but most likely we'll see when we go near to the match date.

Right, that's what they basically do right now in boxing/MMA, exhibition fights with former champions and then see how much money they can make it. Not sure how much guarantee money is for Silva, but I will speculate that it could be in the millions and then Jake Paul taking the lionshare of it. For sure there are still fans that is willing to go to live gate and watch it or buy PPV. So in any case, it's a win win. However, for pure boxing fans, not sure if they will bet on it or want to watch this kind of exhibition matches.
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