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Quote from: fortunecrypto on September 03, 2022, 10:01:02 AM

These exhibition fighters coming from MMA are getting paid more because they have built their name in MMA and they have already gained a legion of fans they follow their idol in boxing matches and people out of curiosity are paying to watch these matches, and so far the fans are not disappointed because its action-packed like what happens on all of the brother Paul's matches, there are rumors that Jake Paul will fight Andersson Silva this match if the deal is made is going to be another blockbuster in the making.

You're correct, I'm not really following MMA, but if there's an exhibition fight for MMA he will also get a huge paid too since many people are want to see their idol fight, so it's not only on boxing. Maybe boxing is bigger than MMA and mostly exhibition fight happen for boxing, not MMA.

Personally I'm not fan of exhibition fight since it's a fixed match, but sometime I will bet if the odds is worthy for me. Just like the cancelled event where Jake Paul will fight against Tommy Fury, Jake Paul is the underdog and it's make sense to bet him since he's a clever businessman.

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Quote from: chaser15 on September 03, 2022, 08:24:25 AM

Guys, what do you think about those famous people in other sports (like UFC, MMA) then suddenly will shift into boxing, not via professional boxing, but as an exhibition match? Or those who are already retired but suddenly will participate in an exhibition match against a non-boxer. It was all started by Floyd Mayweather Jr. and then from there, lots of boxing exhibition matches have been executed.

And the sad part, these people who are participating in exhibition matches are being paid more compared to professional boxers.

All I can say is there's no law making what they are doing illegal, so it's alright.

If we don't like to see that happening, we should not be supporting that kind of event, the only reason why they are confident in holding an exhibition fight is that we are willing to pay, and since they are good at marketing their fight, people get hype and that resulted on them making more money.

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Quote from: chaser15 on September 03, 2022, 08:24:25 AM

Guys, what do you think about those famous people in other sports (like UFC, MMA) then suddenly will shift into boxing, not via professional boxing, but as an exhibition match? Or those who are already retired but suddenly will participate in an exhibition match against a non-boxer. It was all started by Floyd Mayweather Jr. and then from there, lots of boxing exhibition matches have been executed.

And the sad part, these people who are participating in exhibition matches are being paid more compared to professional boxers.

These exhibition fighters coming from MMA are getting paid more because they have built their name in MMA and they have already gained a legion of fans they follow their idol in boxing matches and people out of curiosity are paying to watch these matches, and so far the fans are not disappointed because its action-packed like what happens on all of the brother Paul's matches, there are rumors that Jake Paul will fight Andersson Silva this match if the deal is made is going to be another blockbuster in the making.

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Guys, what do you think about those famous people in other sports (like UFC, MMA) then suddenly will shift into boxing, not via professional boxing, but as an exhibition match? Or those who are already retired but suddenly will participate in an exhibition match against a non-boxer. It was all started by Floyd Mayweather Jr. and then from there, lots of boxing exhibition matches have been executed.

And the sad part, these people who are participating in exhibition matches are being paid more compared to professional boxers.

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Quote from: Fredomago on September 01, 2022, 10:57:32 AM

Quote from: Boristhecat on September 01, 2022, 10:03:29 AM

You are right, and it doesn't really matter what a popular person does - his followers will look at it with interest anyway. If you take twitch, then the most popular streamers, no matter what they do - from just chatting to playing some kind of stupid game (not interesting to anyone if you don’t take into account who plays it) always collect a huge number of viewers. Similarly with these fights - legends are always interesting, even if they have grown old and cannot be competitive in purely professional sports.

As long as the promoters do their job it can be converted to a huge amount of profits, legends are happy for giving them chance/opportunities to step back inside the ring, with a good amount of offers and with some medical securities that will be discussed behind those fighters even they are no longer on their fighting shape they will accept the challenge.

There's something inside them that will continue to be delighted once a fight being schedule, especially if they see fans who are still cheering for them and still happy to see them fighting.

It's literally a win-win situation. And by the way, there is another aspect - financial. Due to inflation and trends that make media content very valuable, the legends of the past are getting the opportunity to get money that they could not get in their professional career. I think if you take any martial arts, then there is the same situation as in football, where if you take the top salary of stars (20 years ago) of the level of Zidane or Raul in modern conditions, it is less than the salary of average players. Show fights make up for this injustice.

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Quote from: danherbias07 on September 03, 2022, 02:55:20 AM

Quote from: Baofeng on September 02, 2022, 05:25:19 PM

The DAZN recently releases their top 10 boxers in the last 30 years, it might be controversial because there are names missing on the list, but anyway, here they are:

1. Manny Pacquiao
2. Floyd Mayweather
3. Roy Jones
4. Bernard Hopkins
5. Pernell Whitaker
6. Oscar Dela Hoya
7. Felix Trinidad
8. Lennox Lewis
9. Evander Holyfield
10. Canelo Alvarez

https://www.dazn.com/en-GB/news/boxing/floyd-mayweather-manny-pacquiao-and-canelo-alvarez-dazns-top-10-boxers-from-the-last-30-years/1c7wm1f7ve6jo1egax8huxi4d2

For sure majority of us will disagree on the list, who you got on our list?

I don't see Mike Tyson (is he not covered by the last 30 years?). But I don't know who should be taken out of the list to insert him.
Youngest to win a heavyweight title. 3 major belts. He should be there despite what he did. So yes, it's controversial. But I always respect the ranking of different people/analysts or a group. It's always biased and the same as my own rankings when it comes to different sports.
Some may say one fighter/player is better for him but not all will agree to it.

Yes and Holyfield is there but no Mike Tyson. The two headed monster - Klitschko's at least one should be included in that list. MAB (Marco Antonio Barrera) or Erik Morales.

I agree with Manny or Floyd on the top of the list. We have seen Manny becoming a 8 division champ and then Floyd undefeated in his career. Oscar Dela Hoya should be higher than Sweet pea. Roy Jones and Bernard is right about there in the list.

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Amazing that DAZN came up with a top 30 list in the last 3 decades. Every organizations, groups and boxing pundits have their own lists of top 10 to 100 too. I haven't followed much the 90s boxers but if there is someone that I like to put in the list, it is Juan Manuel Marquez. JMM is a 4 division world champion, 4 close fights with Manny Pacquiao. JMM almost fought everyone during his time. His close victories and defeats to Pacquiao, Barrera and Bradley. Clear victories over Joel Casamayor, Juan Diaz and Michael Katsidis. But it is also difficult to remove someone from that list. Brothers Vitali and Wladimir Klitschko also took over the heavyweight division for so many years that it failed to create rivalries just like before and the current heavyweight.

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Quote from: Baofeng on September 02, 2022, 05:25:19 PM

The DAZN recently releases their top 10 boxers in the last 30 years, it might be controversial because there are names missing on the list, but anyway, here they are:

1. Manny Pacquiao
2. Floyd Mayweather
3. Roy Jones
4. Bernard Hopkins
5. Pernell Whitaker
6. Oscar Dela Hoya
7. Felix Trinidad
8. Lennox Lewis
9. Evander Holyfield
10. Canelo Alvarez

https://www.dazn.com/en-GB/news/boxing/floyd-mayweather-manny-pacquiao-and-canelo-alvarez-dazns-top-10-boxers-from-the-last-30-years/1c7wm1f7ve6jo1egax8huxi4d2

For sure majority of us will disagree on the list, who you got on our list?

I agree on some of the boxers but there are many boxers that are left behind that should have been on the list, but that's their list, any organization can come up with their own list but the names of both Pacquiao and Mayweather are always included in the list, I totally agree that Pacquiao should be on the top list because it's almost impossible now to win an eight-division title this is the title that will take a lot of years to break and Pacquiao lasted four decades of fighting from late '90s to early 2022.

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Quote from: Baofeng on September 02, 2022, 05:25:19 PM

The DAZN recently releases their top 10 boxers in the last 30 years, it might be controversial because there are names missing on the list, but anyway, here they are:

1. Manny Pacquiao
2. Floyd Mayweather
3. Roy Jones
4. Bernard Hopkins
5. Pernell Whitaker
6. Oscar Dela Hoya
7. Felix Trinidad
8. Lennox Lewis
9. Evander Holyfield
10. Canelo Alvarez

https://www.dazn.com/en-GB/news/boxing/floyd-mayweather-manny-pacquiao-and-canelo-alvarez-dazns-top-10-boxers-from-the-last-30-years/1c7wm1f7ve6jo1egax8huxi4d2

For sure majority of us will disagree on the list, who you got on our list?

I don't know what was the basis for DAZN to issue the list, but I think based on the criteria that have existed for the last 30 years, doesn't Mike Tyson deserve to be on one of those lists? when compared to some other boxer names it is clear that tyson is a name that is quite familiar and has many achievements apart from the controversial that he has often done so far, I think DAZN should be able to appreciate tyson as one of the legends of boxing today apart from muhammad ali, but indeed we no right to protest against the list issued by DAZN without knowing what their reference is to release the 10 names.

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Quote from: Baofeng on September 02, 2022, 05:25:19 PM

The DAZN recently releases their top 10 boxers in the last 30 years, it might be controversial because there are names missing on the list, but anyway, here they are:

1. Manny Pacquiao
2. Floyd Mayweather
3. Roy Jones
4. Bernard Hopkins
5. Pernell Whitaker
6. Oscar Dela Hoya
7. Felix Trinidad
8. Lennox Lewis
9. Evander Holyfield
10. Canelo Alvarez

https://www.dazn.com/en-GB/news/boxing/floyd-mayweather-manny-pacquiao-and-canelo-alvarez-dazns-top-10-boxers-from-the-last-30-years/1c7wm1f7ve6jo1egax8huxi4d2

For sure majority of us will disagree on the list, who you got on our list?

I don't see Mike Tyson (is he not covered by the last 30 years?). But I don't know who should be taken out of the list to insert him.
Youngest to win a heavyweight title. 3 major belts. He should be there despite what he did. So yes, it's controversial. But I always respect the ranking of different people/analysts or a group. It's always biased and the same as my own rankings when it comes to different sports.
Some may say one fighter/player is better for him but not all will agree to it.

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Quote from: Baofeng on September 02, 2022, 05:25:19 PM

The DAZN recently releases their top 10 boxers in the last 30 years, it might be controversial because there are names missing on the list, but anyway, here they are:

1. Manny Pacquiao
2. Floyd Mayweather
3. Roy Jones
4. Bernard Hopkins
5. Pernell Whitaker
6. Oscar Dela Hoya
7. Felix Trinidad
8. Lennox Lewis
9. Evander Holyfield
10. Canelo Alvarez

https://www.dazn.com/en-GB/news/boxing/floyd-mayweather-manny-pacquiao-and-canelo-alvarez-dazns-top-10-boxers-from-the-last-30-years/1c7wm1f7ve6jo1egax8huxi4d2

For sure majority of us will disagree on the list, who you got on our list?

Lists like those are always controversial, and it is one of those reasons why they are made in the first place because they bring a lot of attention, but since the list is not about who is the best pound for pound boxer then the one which should be at the top must always be the heavyweight champion, also even if the accomplishments of Pacquiao are incredible he cannot be above the guy that beat him so I think that Floyd should be above him, even if I like Pacquiao way better than I like Floyd I think that is what it's fair.

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The DAZN recently releases their top 10 boxers in the last 30 years, it might be controversial because there are names missing on the list, but anyway, here they are:

1. Manny Pacquiao
2. Floyd Mayweather
3. Roy Jones
4. Bernard Hopkins
5. Pernell Whitaker
6. Oscar Dela Hoya
7. Felix Trinidad
8. Lennox Lewis
9. Evander Holyfield
10. Canelo Alvarez

https://www.dazn.com/en-GB/news/boxing/floyd-mayweather-manny-pacquiao-and-canelo-alvarez-dazns-top-10-boxers-from-the-last-30-years/1c7wm1f7ve6jo1egax8huxi4d2

For sure majority of us will disagree on the list, who you got on our list?

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Quote from: Sanitough on September 02, 2022, 01:31:37 PM

That is probably one of the reasons why they are so confident about taking a fight against UFC fighters, they already have some idea of how to deal with these fighters because of that experience they acquired. Anyway let's go back to the fight, Anderson Silva can protect his chin well and other weaknesses but that's in the old times when is still fast to react and quite agile to counter the movements. But now? He will be an open book to Jake Paul, no doubt.

Besides, MMA uses lighter gloves so the impact is far more devastating, now I wonder if Silva can still launch those kinds of punches that can floor his opponent with heavier gloves.
I know this is all promotions and business for Jake Paul but I wonder when will be the time for him to grow balls and challenge a professional boxing legend instead Grin

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Quote from: Jating on September 01, 2022, 04:05:11 PM

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Quote from: OgNasty on August 30, 2022, 03:59:43 PM

Jake Paul has announced his next opponent is Anderson Silva. I think Jake might have but off a little more than he can chew this time. Sure, Silva is damn near 50 years old, but he’s got power that Jake hasn’t seen before. I like this fight. I’d rather have seen him fight Andrew Tate, but this was unexpected and a nice surprise.

looking at the two fighters I strongly believe that anderson silva will be victorious in this fight, that's because anderson silva had some boxing matches against strong opponents and he had a good performance, not to mention that the guy is an experienced MMA fighter, of course in boxing he can still be an amateur, but the fact that he fought in mma gives him some advantage over being more aggressive, being a person with good reflexes and knowing several fights, on the other hand we have Jake Paul who, despite being a young with some fights and victories against fighters who are also strong he is still young and doesn't have the fighting experience that anderson silva has. That's why for me anderson silva wins this fight, Jake Paul will definitely come out of this fight sad

I think Jake Paul has experienced fighting people in MMA and this is not the first time he is fighting one. According to the record, he had a match against a former MMA fighter and won a 1st round TKO, and a former UFC champion twice winning with a split decision. But thinking that the two previous opponent styles are wrestling, Jake Paul might probably have trouble facing Silva since Silva's fighting style includes boxing. But one thing is hindering Silva in this fight, and that is his age. Fighting at 47 would take a toll for sure. If I disregard the age factor, I would agree with you.

Yes, and if I'm not mistaken, either of the brothers have boxing experience so they can really fight those UFC fighters and win. But as you have said, Silva is well rounded, including a stand up boxing style.

But the age though, maybe once Paul touches that chin of Silva, he will go down. He is not known to have a good chin, maybe he can protect it. However, one punch can change the complexion of the fight.

That is probably one of the reasons why they are so confident about taking a fight against UFC fighters, they already have some idea of how to deal with these fighters because of that experience they acquired. Anyway let's go back to the fight, Anderson Silva can protect his chin well and other weaknesses but that's in the old times when is still fast to react and quite agile to counter the movements. But now? He will be an open book to Jake Paul, no doubt.

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Jake Paul has announced his next opponent is Anderson Silva. I think Jake might have but off a little more than he can chew this time. Sure, Silva is damn near 50 years old, but he’s got power that Jake hasn’t seen before. I like this fight. I’d rather have seen him fight Andrew Tate, but this was unexpected and a nice surprise.

Is this an exhibition fight? Or Anderson Silva is making his pro-debut in boxing at an age of 47? Grin

I already knew this fight would come after Jake's fight has been cancelled against Rahman Jr., it was already rumored that Jake would fight Silva but ignored it as it will be an another money fight for Jake Paul. Sure, Silva is a professional and deadly athlete but that's on octagon and not in the ring.

Probably a pro-debut Grin

. I am looking for a reply from people who don't want an exhibition fight like this but it looks like I can't find one Cheesy

. It looks like they already accepted the fact that boxing is not only a sport but more a business thing. I like watching Silva in his MMA moments, but I wonder if he can fare enough with boxing. So I am thinking of exhausted Silva after round 4.

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Also, Silva is already old enough and I'd say this he is just after the guaranteed money he can get after the fight.

Definitely! But still, it is interesting to watch a fight like this, especially when a person involved had made a dominating fighter impression on our minds.

Maybe but I can help but think that he is old enough to make a debut in this industry especially in cruiserweight where the boxers are mostly tall and heavy hitters, he may be sleeping well in the canvass if he faces a true warrior in that division. Lol Cheesy

Anyway, you're right that it's still interesting to see this fight because Anderson Silva is also a warrior himself and he has some relative experience in boxing too but we cannot really expect something big from him because he is not that young anymore.

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Quote from: Yaunfitda on September 01, 2022, 03:29:43 AM

So maybe the same mindset here, Silva is legendary during his prime he just toys with the best middleweight MMA fighter. And he has a successful boxing career if I'm not mistaken. So we want him to give Jake Paul a lesson not to mess with a legend. But I doubt that it will happen, seems this could be rig and Paul hands is going to be raised as the winner.

Oh, how I wish that won't happen here but that's possible. I'd still love to think they are making this kind of game entertaining and a bit brutal. Cheesy

At least show the essence of contact sports not like a movie where all are scripted.

Quote from: lionheart78 on September 01, 2022, 03:34:08 PM

I think Jake Paul has experienced fighting people in MMA and this is not the first time he is fighting one. According to the record, he had a match against a former MMA fighter and won a 1st round TKO, and a former UFC champion twice winning with a split decision. But thinking that the two previous opponent styles are wrestling, Jake Paul might probably have trouble facing Silva since Silva's fighting style includes boxing. But one thing is hindering Silva in this fight, and that is his age. Fighting at 47 would take a toll for sure. If I disregard the age factor, I would agree with you.

Jake Paul might use that advantage. Exhaust Silva first and attack if he gets slower.
But Silva is also known for staying still and waiting for his opponent to attack, so there must be a strategy like that to preserve his energy. Just one good haymaker will probably end this game.
He picks his opponents but he may have the wrong one this time.

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^, Yes, those are 2 legends already, Estrada and Gonzalez and just imagine adding Donaire in the mix of this 2 great boxers. Maybe this will be Donaire's last stand on greatness to fight both of this 2 on their weight class, it will be great.

Although there is news that a 3rd fight might be in works for Estrada vs Gonzalez, maybe Donaire can wait or choose to go to Gonzalez right away. Gonzalez won against Julio Cezar Martinez last March by UD and even at age 35, he can still fight the best of them.

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Quote from: serjent05 on September 01, 2022, 04:24:26 PM

If Donaire really goes down to a lower weight limit , I think he will be one of the forces to be reckoned with. A lighter boxer tends to have less powerful punches, except of course for some exceptions. I believe Donaire can handle punches really well in the lighter category, plus his punch will be devastating. If he is what he is saying then I can see Donaire reigning in the 115-weight division.

I do think that he really can. Coming from a higher division and going down to a lower one means that he can handle heavier than the light ones.
Do we have the news that he had talked about this already and that he'll be stepping down to a lower limit requirement for him to keep going with his career?
It's still an awaiting moment for his comeback and I think whoever he boxes, there will be a lot of fans that would love to watch and follow him wherever he goes.

Here is it, https://newsfortph.com/news/video-nonito-donaire-is-willing-to-go-down-to-115-lbs-to-win-another-boxing-title

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"I would love to. I'm putting myself out there, in that mix with 'Chocolatito' and Estrada. That would be great. I am all for it," Donaire said.

"Making the weight is just such a simple thing for me. I mean, I could go down to 115 if I want to, you know, and still feel really strong," Donaire added.

So it's just a comeback fight, he is looking to fight the best in 115 lbs, Juan Estrada and Roman Gonzalez.

Estrada will have a fight on September 3 against Argi Cortes and maybe Donaire is targeting Estrada as the winner of that fight.

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Quote from: Slow death on September 01, 2022, 03:12:15 PM

Quote from: OgNasty on August 30, 2022, 03:59:43 PM

Jake Paul has announced his next opponent is Anderson Silva. I think Jake might have but off a little more than he can chew this time. Sure, Silva is damn near 50 years old, but he’s got power that Jake hasn’t seen before. I like this fight. I’d rather have seen him fight Andrew Tate, but this was unexpected and a nice surprise.

looking at the two fighters I strongly believe that anderson silva will be victorious in this fight, that's because anderson silva had some boxing matches against strong opponents and he had a good performance, not to mention that the guy is an experienced MMA fighter, of course in boxing he can still be an amateur, but the fact that he fought in mma gives him some advantage over being more aggressive, being a person with good reflexes and knowing several fights, on the other hand we have Jake Paul who, despite being a young with some fights and victories against fighters who are also strong he is still young and doesn't have the fighting experience that anderson silva has. That's why for me anderson silva wins this fight, Jake Paul will definitely come out of this fight sad

You have some point there mate, I'll give you that. But aside from their experiences, we must not forget that Anderson Silva is not that young anymore to show how good his reflexes are just like what we've saw in his fights when he is still fighting professionally. Anderson Silva is almost 50 years old now, and that's one of the reasons why Jake Paul picked him as his next opponent, I mean Jake Paul wouldn't pick him if his chances on winning against the retired MMA fighter is literally slim.

Those lines you said made me think twice because Silva is truly a one of a kind fighter while Jake Paul is just starting his career in boxing, but as I said, Silva is already old enough for these matches and I believe that he only accepted this fight because he cannot reject good money that will be made in this fight and not because he is looking to show the world that he can still defeat young aspirants.

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Quote from: serjent05 on September 01, 2022, 04:24:26 PM

If Donaire really goes down to a lower weight limit , I think he will be one of the forces to be reckoned with. A lighter boxer tends to have less powerful punches, except of course for some exceptions. I believe Donaire can handle punches really well in the lighter category, plus his punch will be devastating. If he is what he is saying then I can see Donaire reigning in the 115-weight division.

I do think that he really can. Coming from a higher division and going down to a lower one means that he can handle heavier than the light ones.
Do we have the news that he had talked about this already and that he'll be stepping down to a lower limit requirement for him to keep going with his career?
It's still an awaiting moment for his comeback and I think whoever he boxes, there will be a lot of fans that would love to watch and follow him wherever he goes.

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