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August 21, 2022, 09:17:09 AM
So the replacement of Broner won the fight against Omar Figueroa, not sure if fans have bet on this fight, but I totally skip this one. Lipinets stop Figueroa, his corner and father wave the white flag and ask the referee to stop the fight as his son is taking too much punishment in the hands of Lipinets. He also drops Omar in the second round. Not sure though is this win will have a bearing in the 140 lbs. Possible that Lopez who won over Campa can fight Lipinets as another step up fight for him to be "legitimate" 140 lbs contender, so lets's see.
The results were quite surprising because as a substitute for Broner, Lipinets actually only had a little time to prepare for the fight, but in fact Lipinets were able to compensate and even fight quite crazy by releasing many heavy blows at Figueroa, I think,  what Figueroa father did was actually true because in the 8th round, Lipinets were really quite brutal with many targeting Figueroa head as a target, so it was clear that Lipinets dominated enough without any resistance from Figueroa who had been stuck at the side of the ring.

It is not surprising because when a boxer is replaced at the last moment, all the training and preparation of the other boxer is wasted.  They (Figueroa) prepare a strategy against Broner but instead got Lipinet at the last moment.  If you remember the last fight of Paquiao the same thing happen, his camp prepare for the fighter replaced by Ugas but got Ugas at the last minute so Pacquiao have trouble adjusting during the fight and lost.
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August 21, 2022, 02:49:35 AM
So the replacement of Broner won the fight against Omar Figueroa, not sure if fans have bet on this fight, but I totally skip this one. Lipinets stop Figueroa, his corner and father wave the white flag and ask the referee to stop the fight as his son is taking too much punishment in the hands of Lipinets. He also drops Omar in the second round. Not sure though is this win will have a bearing in the 140 lbs. Possible that Lopez who won over Campa can fight Lipinets as another step up fight for him to be "legitimate" 140 lbs contender, so lets's see.
The results were quite surprising because as a substitute for Broner, Lipinets actually only had a little time to prepare for the fight, but in fact Lipinets were able to compensate and even fight quite crazy by releasing many heavy blows at Figueroa, I think,  what Figueroa father did was actually true because in the 8th round, Lipinets were really quite brutal with many targeting Figueroa head as a target, so it was clear that Lipinets dominated enough without any resistance from Figueroa who had been stuck at the side of the ring.
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August 21, 2022, 02:38:55 AM
Nice win for Usyk with 2.95 odds. It was a close one because it's a split decision but I believe Usyk deserves to win that match. The rivalry is now officially over and we have no hype opponent for Fury, so let's see if they'll fight soon.
Joshua did all he could, but Usyk deserved the win. I feel Usyk did not only win this fight, but he went on to prove that he is a better and stronger boxer than Joshua is, which was hard for Joshua to take, after the fight he went on a strange rant which till now i cannot understand what he was trying to say, i think the burden of losing that match was so much and it got into his head, Joshua is a good fighter, and he was a good champ in his time, but he needs to work harder and develop better to beat the best fighters, else it won't be possible. Usyk v Fury? We will all like to see it happen, hope it does.
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August 21, 2022, 02:16:00 AM
So the replacement of Broner won the fight against Omar Figueroa, not sure if fans have bet on this fight, but I totally skip this one. Lipinets stop Figueroa, his corner and father wave the white flag and ask the referee to stop the fight as his son is taking too much punishment in the hands of Lipinets. He also drops Omar in the second round. Not sure though is this win will have a bearing in the 140 lbs. Possible that Lopez who won over Campa can fight Lipinets as another step up fight for him to be "legitimate" 140 lbs contender, so lets's see.
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August 21, 2022, 01:39:16 AM
Nice win for Usyk with 2.95 odds. It was a close one because it's a split decision but I believe Usyk deserves to win that match. The rivalry is now officially over and we have no hype opponent for Fury, so let's see if they'll fight soon.
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August 20, 2022, 07:45:23 AM



This odds is indeed juicy because AJ is hungry to get his revenge fight but since this a heavyweight bout. I’m probably more on the KO pick rather than decision because we know that this 2 boxer can give a lethal blow on any round that will cause a KO. I think this is the reason too why the bookmaker is very confident on providing that kind of juicy odds despite of the skills of the player.
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August 20, 2022, 07:09:53 AM
Before the fight starts this is what I think and my pick for the Usyk vs. Joshua 2: Rage on the Red Sea event

Oleksandr Usyk VS Anthony Joshua

Stake odds for this match are 1.51 for Usyk while 2.65 for Joshua, it seems that many are favoring Usyk because of their 1st match because there are many that think that Usyk outclassed Anthony Joshua in their first match in the 1st round we can see that Usyk is using faints to check the reaction of Joshua, you can see that Oleksandr Usyk really is a technical fighter, we can see that Oleksandr Usyk got the patient the calculating thoughts to initiate a great set up for Joshua, at 1st I thought that Usyk is a hard puncher that is very reliable of his strength but after watching their fight Usyk is really one step ahead of Anthony Joshua always catching Joshua with a lead right counter punch, so for me, my pick will be Oleksandr Usyk although I really like Anthony Joshua I think that he doesn't stand a chance against Usyk, so Usyk is my pick,

Zhilei Zhang VS Filip Hrgovic

Stake odds for this fight are 1.10 for Hrgovic while 7.60 for Zhang, Another fight that I think I will make my pick was the co-main event for this fight I see that Filip Hrgovic is a knock-out artist for having so much KO/TKO on his records pretty much I can surely say that Filip Hrgovic has the punching power he needs to win in this fight, but this bet is not really profitable at all so I am staying away with the bet,
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August 19, 2022, 11:07:57 PM
Joshua vs Usyk will be happening tomorrow in my time zone and as i looked at the odds, it seems that we have a juicy one for Joshua to win via decision. I know that Joshua's confidence is not so high right now but boy this odds is hard to pass up because i know he can win this rematch just like what he did in their rematch with Ruiz where he did what he needed to do for him to him and my bet ticket won too with an odds of 5.2.

@Baofeng, @Kemarit, @inthelongrun what do you think about the below markets?

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August 19, 2022, 09:30:51 PM
Remember that Adrien Broner supposedly had a comeback fight against Figueroa?

AB withdraw from that fight citing mental health issues,

Andrien Borner withdrawal in the fight against Omar is really quite sad, because actually I hope that the fight between Andrien Borner and Omar Figueroa will provide an interesting spectacle because after all Andrien Borner is one of the boxers who is quite good and able to win four division titles, but indeed mental problems make someone have to be handled properly and that reason can be a reasonable reason for his resignation, as a substitute fighter I hope that in the ring Sergey Lipinets will be able to put up a strong fight against Omar Figueroa and become an interesting main fight besides the re-fight that I the most waiting for Oleksandr Usyk vs Anthony Joshua.

Sad for who? the boxing fans? I'm not sure if he had one in this boxing community. His antics his trash talking, his brandish style makes casual fans doesn't like this dude. And after Maidana beat his ass, his aura of invincibility is gone, and he become a laughing stock and meme all over the internet. And even if he shows up and win this fight, I don't think he can make a comeback in the 140 lbs and become a factor in that weight class, his best years are over now.
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August 19, 2022, 06:43:23 PM
No mate. Nonito Donaire is still quick and fast even at his age but it's just that Naoya Inoue is just quicker and too much for him. Believe me, Donaire can still KO and defeat other boxers in the bantamweight division. Inoue is just on another level and he is a monster in that division.

But we can't hide the fact that it might be too late to regain his position on bantamweight where his plan is to make some winnings first on a much lower level division. Even if he will be successful in the lower division, he might enter the bantamweight division obviously at a much older age.

And for let's say he managed to defeat those other bantamweights once he stepped up at that old age, I'm not sure if he can still repeat the achievement he done before fighting Inoue which is the oldest fighter to achieve a world title.

Maybe just making money as he feels he can still fight. Not a wrong move though before hanging his gloves.
I agree that he's still the Nonito that we've used to watch but with his fight with Inoue, it is the reality that Inoue is better than him in many aspects which includes the speed.

Where can we read his future plans?

Many agrees that it's time for him to retire and let the younger generation and aspiring ones to excel with his help as a trainor.

Nonito's future plan or Inoue? As far as Nonito, well we have seen the latest update, he wants to continue with his career.

For Inoue, we are hearing that he might go for the unification fight with Paul Butler. It will be huge if the fight is going to happen in UK. But not sure if Inoue will be comfortable, it might be better if the fight is in the US. So that his fans are going to see him and of course makes a name for himself in the US household. Arum knows how to hype him in the States.

Nonito continuing his career? is it in the same division? I mean, he cannot beat the champion, so why would he still stay? Maybe he still looking for some extra money before finally deciding to retire. Or maybe before he retires he could fight Casimero, I think that would be a great fight.
I agree with you, Casimero is a great option for Nonito to show off and recover much more reputation, this is something that should be taken into account, however, maybe we don't know, but if Nonito is looking for some money I think I could take advantage, let's remember that boxing is a sport where you can make a lot of money, because your business model is very well designed for that, and to be able to capitalize quickly if you make the corresponding and pertinent agreement.

Nonito needs one more fight, I think he deserves it, right? Almost for me it is at the level that they can give and offer a great fight and show.

Remember that Adrien Broner supposedly had a comeback fight against Figueroa?

AB withdraw from that fight citing mental health issues,

Andrien Borner withdrawal in the fight against Omar is really quite sad, because actually I hope that the fight between Andrien Borner and Omar Figueroa will provide an interesting spectacle because after all Andrien Borner is one of the boxers who is quite good and able to win four division titles, but indeed mental problems make someone have to be handled properly and that reason can be a reasonable reason for his resignation, as a substitute fighter I hope that in the ring Sergey Lipinets will be able to put up a strong fight against Omar Figueroa and become an interesting main fight besides the re-fight that I the most waiting for Oleksandr Usyk vs Anthony Joshua.

Everyone can be hit by this mental problems, recently it was Ryan Garcia but he was able to recover after almost 2 years, and same with Danny Garcia as well, he mentioned it after his win against Campa. So it's real, every athlete are affected by it, just how they are going to respond. The sad part is that Broner, of all the time in the world, suddenly withdraw days before the fight and its so uncanny for him to make his excuse. Anyhow, the fight is going to push through this weekend, but I'm not that interested to watch to be honest.
What happens is that the Ryan thing was something very strong, however I think he was fine now, when there are mental health problems of that kind, a boxer currently for me before making a fight should be evaluated by a good psychologist to see if he is ready to fight or not, sometimes a person who is not very well can seek to harm himself by taking advantage of the opponent, many things can be seen that we do not know.

Well, sometimes things don't go the way you want and fights happen because the business model is much stronger than reason, sometimes money is above the sport itself, but those are forces that sometimes we don't control, and being less fans.
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August 19, 2022, 05:30:41 PM
Remember that Adrien Broner supposedly had a comeback fight against Figueroa?

AB withdraw from that fight citing mental health issues,

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To say Adrien Broner's career has had its ups and downs would be an understatement. Now, just days before his planned bout with Omar Figueroa on Showtime Championship Boxing, Broner has announced he is pulling out of their junior welterweight fight because of mental health issues.

https://www.cbssports.com/boxing/news/adrien-broner-withdraws-from-bout-against-omar-figueroa-amid-struggles-with-mental-health/

He had an outburst when the press conference was held because it's not done on live TV but through video calls.

But then again, when the fight date is near, he suddenly withdraw, and I think AB is done for good now in boxing. His replacement will be Sergey Lipinets.

But according to Figueroa he also suffers from the same mental issue that Broner is undergoing, but still he insist that he should go an fight AB because they already sign a contract. And that's why he is so mad about Broner, but it is what it is, he had Sergey Lipinet now as his opponent.

Figueroa though is still listed as almost 4:1 underdog against the replacement Lipinet. And the over/under is 8.5.
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August 19, 2022, 05:20:02 PM
Remember that Adrien Broner supposedly had a comeback fight against Figueroa?

AB withdraw from that fight citing mental health issues,

Andrien Borner withdrawal in the fight against Omar is really quite sad, because actually I hope that the fight between Andrien Borner and Omar Figueroa will provide an interesting spectacle because after all Andrien Borner is one of the boxers who is quite good and able to win four division titles, but indeed mental problems make someone have to be handled properly and that reason can be a reasonable reason for his resignation, as a substitute fighter I hope that in the ring Sergey Lipinets will be able to put up a strong fight against Omar Figueroa and become an interesting main fight besides the re-fight that I the most waiting for Oleksandr Usyk vs Anthony Joshua.

Everyone can be hit by this mental problems, recently it was Ryan Garcia but he was able to recover after almost 2 years, and same with Danny Garcia as well, he mentioned it after his win against Campa. So it's real, every athlete are affected by it, just how they are going to respond. The sad part is that Broner, of all the time in the world, suddenly withdraw days before the fight and its so uncanny for him to make his excuse. Anyhow, the fight is going to push through this weekend, but I'm not that interested to watch to be honest.
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August 19, 2022, 05:15:35 PM
Desire isn't enough to win a fight.  When the mind is still active but the body is lagging, you know it is time to retire.  We can observe it in the fight too.  As spectators, we are keener to changes than the ones who own the body.  He might feel he is still in optimum condition but if the reflexes deny him then it is time to retire.

Then let these boxers experience several defeats until such time that realization will come that they need to stop for good. We can't just ask them to retire if they really want to push through their careers even if they are already at their considered retirement period. Obviously, we are not in place to give them recommendations especially if their mindset is really set to still fight.

Don't worry bro. Nonito Donaire knows when he will stop. It's not that he will really push and aim for something if he thinks he can't do it.

The time will come that he will finally announce his retirement but only he knows when.
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August 19, 2022, 04:59:04 PM
Remember that Adrien Broner supposedly had a comeback fight against Figueroa?

AB withdraw from that fight citing mental health issues,

Andrien Borner withdrawal in the fight against Omar is really quite sad, because actually I hope that the fight between Andrien Borner and Omar Figueroa will provide an interesting spectacle because after all Andrien Borner is one of the boxers who is quite good and able to win four division titles, but indeed mental problems make someone have to be handled properly and that reason can be a reasonable reason for his resignation, as a substitute fighter I hope that in the ring Sergey Lipinets will be able to put up a strong fight against Omar Figueroa and become an interesting main fight besides the re-fight that I the most waiting for Oleksandr Usyk vs Anthony Joshua.

He cited mental health issues as his reasons, so we will leave it like that. However, he went on the tirade on the press conference and maybe you know, he hurt someone in that attack that could have pulled the trigger on him, this is just a speculation on my side and think about it, they were able to get a hold of a replacement just like that.

But yes, Broner is no longer in his prime and I don't know why he is still given that chance to fight and make money for him and his family.
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August 19, 2022, 12:31:31 PM
Remember that Adrien Broner supposedly had a comeback fight against Figueroa?

AB withdraw from that fight citing mental health issues,

Andrien Borner withdrawal in the fight against Omar is really quite sad, because actually I hope that the fight between Andrien Borner and Omar Figueroa will provide an interesting spectacle because after all Andrien Borner is one of the boxers who is quite good and able to win four division titles, but indeed mental problems make someone have to be handled properly and that reason can be a reasonable reason for his resignation, as a substitute fighter I hope that in the ring Sergey Lipinets will be able to put up a strong fight against Omar Figueroa and become an interesting main fight besides the re-fight that I the most waiting for Oleksandr Usyk vs Anthony Joshua.
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August 19, 2022, 12:03:05 PM
As for me, we should just let them do what they want. If at some point they experienced terrible losses and they feel their body is not cooperating now, they will retire right away without any hesitations. And even for let's say they want to continue, the promoters or organizers might not be interested now to form a fight and that will lead that old boxer to consider retiring and call it a career.

Definitely they can decide for themselves since it is their body.  Only the owner of the body can decide for himself even though it is obvious that retirement is due.

Just like what goinmerry said, there would be no interested organizers or other parties to make the fight happen even though these fighters still wanted to fight because they are afraid that the fight will not be a blockbuster nor will be profitable for them. But if at any point they will be granted a fight because there's some interested to make the fight happen then I guess by that we will see if for example Nonito Donaire made the right choice instead of retiring.
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August 19, 2022, 10:30:00 AM
At certain age, if you yourself will know its time. Its not like other career that doesn't need agility of your youth.  Your skills doesn't depend on how fast you chop the spices but how good the taste of the recipe.

For us speculators, it's easy to say that they should just retire. We can't feel their desire to continue.

I agree, for us it's easy to judge the boxers base on their performance and say that they should retire because they have been beaten very badly that they can't retire. But, the next day, those fighters will have a different mindset and want to comeback strong.

As for me, we should just let them do what they want. If at some point they experienced terrible losses and they feel their body is not cooperating now, they will retire right away without any hesitations. And even for let's say they want to continue, the promoters or organizers might not be interested now to form a fight and that will lead that old boxer to consider retiring and call it a career.

And so they will go on with their careers, not just for fighters that is about to retire, but again, as I have said, those who for example have been knockout or lost in the card and was dominated. And so they want to proved something to their fans and critics that they can still fight after this circumstances and will come back very strong and maybe avenge their defeat.

And that is the spirit of a true warrior because a warrior won't just give up after the loss he experienced, instead he takes that loss as to be more determined in the next fights and will be a reminder for him not to taste that bitter taste again. For Donaire, he believes that he can still make some diference in lower weight that's why he chose to not to retire. Let the man do what he wants, we will see it soon if his decisions will be worth it.
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August 18, 2022, 10:49:20 PM
Remember that Adrien Broner supposedly had a comeback fight against Figueroa?

AB withdraw from that fight citing mental health issues,

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To say Adrien Broner's career has had its ups and downs would be an understatement. Now, just days before his planned bout with Omar Figueroa on Showtime Championship Boxing, Broner has announced he is pulling out of their junior welterweight fight because of mental health issues.

https://www.cbssports.com/boxing/news/adrien-broner-withdraws-from-bout-against-omar-figueroa-amid-struggles-with-mental-health/

He had an outburst when the press conference was held because it's not done on live TV but through video calls.

But then again, when the fight date is near, he suddenly withdraw, and I think AB is done for good now in boxing. His replacement will be Sergey Lipinets.
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August 18, 2022, 06:32:02 PM
At certain age, if you yourself will know its time. Its not like other career that doesn't need agility of your youth.  Your skills doesn't depend on how fast you chop the spices but how good the taste of the recipe.

For us speculators, it's easy to say that they should just retire. We can't feel their desire to continue.

Desire isn't enough to win a fight.  When the mind is still active but the body is lagging, you know it is time to retire.  We can observe it in the fight too.  As spectators, we are keener to changes than the ones who own the body.  He might feel he is still in optimum condition but if the reflexes deny him then it is time to retire.

As for me, we should just let them do what they want. If at some point they experienced terrible losses and they feel their body is not cooperating now, they will retire right away without any hesitations. And even for let's say they want to continue, the promoters or organizers might not be interested now to form a fight and that will lead that old boxer to consider retiring and call it a career.

Definitely they can decide for themselves since it is their body.  Only the owner of the body can decide for himself even though it is obvious that retirement is due.
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August 18, 2022, 05:48:38 PM
With the experience he have in the industry and the talent he possess, I can say that Donaire will be deadly in the lower division but the catch is that we must accept that he isn't the Filipino Flash that we used to know anymore as he's already aging but the power is still there, I don't doubt it. But yes, you are right these are just mere speculations and we should watch him first before saying that he should already retire.
If he still wants to get into fights and wants to dominate then he'll do the stepping down. But if not, he'll do whatever he takes before he retires.

Aging really matters in terms of an athletic career, especially in this type of sport that needs physical contact.

But, as of now, we don't hear a lot from him and we still need to wait for the announcement on what his next step.
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