Locking the thread now.
For the majority of us, it was sad that Casimero wasn't able to fight Butler as we all have been speculating that the weight issue could have been resolved by hiring a very highly known dietitian to help him. Hoping that he can go back and bounce back
So come Jonas Sultan to cover for his fellow Pinoy, but he seems to be not ready as well. He will just there so that the fight could happened.
Topic: [Boxing]: Sultan vs Butler - WBO Bantamweight Interim title fight. (Read 9104 times)
April 23, 2022, 06:53:41 PM
April 23, 2022, 06:51:30 PM
Sultan was able to hold until the end of the Match though, that can also be a good one considering that he was being substitute last minute, he might have a problem with his trainings. I see the improvement of Butler but I believe if Casimero will able to fight, Butler will surely loss the fight. Well, Sultan have to recover and be better on his next match, most probably there will be another fight for him.
I thought that it would be a competitive fight because Sultan have prepared for that fight as he was advised by MP Promotions to do so because they know that Casimero is in trouble weeks before the fight. I could now say that Sultan will be just a stepping stone for upcoming young boxers that has some potential.
But let us also give credit to Team Butler for preparing well for the fight even though they were facing which they not too familiar with.
And that is why I asked before if Sultan has trained for this fight because for me this will not be very competitive if he has not trained at all. But majority thinks that he has prepared for this fight and makes me wonder how can he be training for Butler when it was Casimero who will fight him. So it's a lose-lose situation for Sultan here, there is no preparation, if there is, it was short and he didn't have that time that resulted to a 'shocking' outcome.
Things like this happen as they say in boxing style makes the fight, there are a lot of replacement fights where the replacement won easily or even via knock out one case is the Pacquiao Ledwaba fight Sultan maybe has a short notice or training for this fight but he still manages to last a full fight and in fact the aggressor but Butler style is hard to catch making him lose a lot of points, Butler is a weak champion if Tete wants to reeclaim his crown he can easily beat this guy.
April 23, 2022, 06:50:48 PM
I'm fine seeing Sultan losing the bout for the interim Bantamweight title if only the result is close but his performance is not really impressive knowing he should be able to handle Paul Butler.
Looking at the scorecard, there's no competition he showed throughout the fight.
116-112, 118-110, and 117-111
Is it a lack of practice? I think, no. Butler just improved, but only against for the level of Sultan.
Looking at the scorecard, there's no competition he showed throughout the fight.
116-112, 118-110, and 117-111
Is it a lack of practice? I think, no. Butler just improved, but only against for the level of Sultan.
Well that's what we thought though, that Sultan has a good chance to win. But instead it was a lopsided win by Butler.
Yes, Butler might have improved or the better fighter, but for me Sultan was not ready for this fight. Of course he can't say no after being offered to replaced Casimero, but we all saw Sultan has a good chance to win but it never happened.
We don't know how long Sultan prepared for this fight as it seems he was a last minute replacement because Casimero had weight issues. If Sultan prepared good, maybe, the results will be different. But anyhow, Casimero needs a wake up call on what to do with his boxing career. Otherwise, leave this sports if he can't discipline himself.
April 23, 2022, 06:40:40 PM
Sultan was able to hold until the end of the Match though, that can also be a good one considering that he was being substitute last minute, he might have a problem with his trainings. I see the improvement of Butler but I believe if Casimero will able to fight, Butler will surely loss the fight. Well, Sultan have to recover and be better on his next match, most probably there will be another fight for him.
I thought that it would be a competitive fight because Sultan have prepared for that fight as he was advised by MP Promotions to do so because they know that Casimero is in trouble weeks before the fight. I could now say that Sultan will be just a stepping stone for upcoming young boxers that has some potential.
But let us also give credit to Team Butler for preparing well for the fight even though they were facing which they not too familiar with.
And that is why I asked before if Sultan has trained for this fight because for me this will not be very competitive if he has not trained at all. But majority thinks that he has prepared for this fight and makes me wonder how can he be training for Butler when it was Casimero who will fight him. So it's a lose-lose situation for Sultan here, there is no preparation, if there is, it was short and he didn't have that time that resulted to a 'shocking' outcome.
April 23, 2022, 06:40:25 PM
I'm fine seeing Sultan losing the bout for the interim Bantamweight title if only the result is close but his performance is not really impressive knowing he should be able to handle Paul Butler.
Looking at the scorecard, there's no competition he showed throughout the fight.
116-112, 118-110, and 117-111
Is it a lack of practice? I think, no. Butler just improved, but only against for the level of Sultan.
Looking at the scorecard, there's no competition he showed throughout the fight.
116-112, 118-110, and 117-111
Is it a lack of practice? I think, no. Butler just improved, but only against for the level of Sultan.
Well that's what we thought though, that Sultan has a good chance to win. But instead it was a lopsided win by Butler.
Yes, Butler might have improved or the better fighter, but for me Sultan was not ready for this fight. Of course he can't say no after being offered to replaced Casimero, but we all saw Sultan has a good chance to win but it never happened.
I could also say that he was unprepared nor not really that anticipating for this fight.It does have not enough time for some preparation and i do agree that this fight wasnt intended for him
but he had no choice as this one had been organized and he do just follows.Well, boxing politics as usual.
April 23, 2022, 06:24:04 PM
I'm fine seeing Sultan losing the bout for the interim Bantamweight title if only the result is close but his performance is not really impressive knowing he should be able to handle Paul Butler.
Looking at the scorecard, there's no competition he showed throughout the fight.
116-112, 118-110, and 117-111
Is it a lack of practice? I think, no. Butler just improved, but only against for the level of Sultan.
Looking at the scorecard, there's no competition he showed throughout the fight.
116-112, 118-110, and 117-111
Is it a lack of practice? I think, no. Butler just improved, but only against for the level of Sultan.
Well that's what we thought though, that Sultan has a good chance to win. But instead it was a lopsided win by Butler.
Yes, Butler might have improved or the better fighter, but for me Sultan was not ready for this fight. Of course he can't say no after being offered to replaced Casimero, but we all saw Sultan has a good chance to win but it never happened.
April 23, 2022, 05:57:55 PM
Sultan was able to hold until the end of the Match though, that can also be a good one considering that he was being substitute last minute, he might have a problem with his trainings. I see the improvement of Butler but I believe if Casimero will able to fight, Butler will surely loss the fight. Well, Sultan have to recover and be better on his next match, most probably there will be another fight for him.
I thought that it would be a competitive fight because Sultan have prepared for that fight as he was advised by MP Promotions to do so because they know that Casimero is in trouble weeks before the fight. I could now say that Sultan will be just a stepping stone for upcoming young boxers that has some potential.
But let us also give credit to Team Butler for preparing well for the fight even though they were facing which they not too familiar with.
April 23, 2022, 05:57:08 PM
I'm fine seeing Sultan losing the bout for the interim Bantamweight title if only the result is close but his performance is not really impressive knowing he should be able to handle Paul Butler.
Looking at the scorecard, there's no competition he showed throughout the fight.
116-112, 118-110, and 117-111
Is it a lack of practice? I think, no. Butler just improved, but only against for the level of Sultan.
Sultan was able to hold until the end of the Match though, that can also be a good one considering that he was being substitute last minute, he might have a problem with his trainings. I see the improvement of Butler but I believe if Casimero will able to fight, Butler will surely loss the fight. Well, Sultan have to recover and be better on his next match, most probably there will be another fight for him.Looking at the scorecard, there's no competition he showed throughout the fight.
116-112, 118-110, and 117-111
Is it a lack of practice? I think, no. Butler just improved, but only against for the level of Sultan.
Sultan given a few weeks to practice unlike butler that he is trained long time against casimero so it's easy for him to beat sultan because of the training advantage. but if this fight fixed in the long way for sure sultan will win the fight even if not a knock out but he win. Being a replacement for the fight it's hard to adjust cause beside of a few days practices he can not study the movement of Butler and make some strategy to beat him.
April 23, 2022, 05:12:07 PM
I'm fine seeing Sultan losing the bout for the interim Bantamweight title if only the result is close but his performance is not really impressive knowing he should be able to handle Paul Butler.
Looking at the scorecard, there's no competition he showed throughout the fight.
116-112, 118-110, and 117-111
Is it a lack of practice? I think, no. Butler just improved, but only against for the level of Sultan.
Sultan was able to hold until the end of the Match though, that can also be a good one considering that he was being substitute last minute, he might have a problem with his trainings. I see the improvement of Butler but I believe if Casimero will able to fight, Butler will surely loss the fight. Well, Sultan have to recover and be better on his next match, most probably there will be another fight for him. Looking at the scorecard, there's no competition he showed throughout the fight.
116-112, 118-110, and 117-111
Is it a lack of practice? I think, no. Butler just improved, but only against for the level of Sultan.
April 23, 2022, 03:09:01 PM
I'm fine seeing Sultan losing the bout for the interim Bantamweight title if only the result is close but his performance is not really impressive knowing he should be able to handle Paul Butler.
Looking at the scorecard, there's no competition he showed throughout the fight.
116-112, 118-110, and 117-111
Is it a lack of practice? I think, no. Butler just improved, but only against for the level of Sultan.
If you do really make some differentiation in terms of experience against Butler then you could really say that this is indeed a mismatch i would say.Sultan was never intended to fight butler and he Looking at the scorecard, there's no competition he showed throughout the fight.
116-112, 118-110, and 117-111
Is it a lack of practice? I think, no. Butler just improved, but only against for the level of Sultan.
was not really prepared or does have enough time with proper training.He was never intended to fight him on the first place and it should be Casimero.Its really just that he had no choice but to
fight up due to that kind of selection which is unjustifiable.Speaking of performance then Sultan is slow and doesnt have much body movement or head movement and Butler
turns out to focus on technicality and making points which is obviously showing off the results.
April 23, 2022, 02:03:26 PM
And they said he has been training before he was called as a replacement. But I doubt that it is a full blown training, maybe just some sparring here and there and obviously he is not ready to face Butler. No controversy like a home town decision, Sultan lost fair and very clear. Lucky for him to have this moment and chance but he didn't make the best of it.
We are very uncertain about the quality of fight that a Sultan vs. Butler could offer to us unlike the expected Casimero vs. Butler, I mean at least in this type of fighter that will face off would be a battle worth watching for. However, this unexpected replacement of Sultan to Casimero is somehow a blessing in disguise for him and that he must serve his very best while on the ring and hopefully he could trained well for this game.
I agree. We might see a much more competitive and close fight if John Riel Casimero was able to fight instead.
Not saying he will win the fight but at least Paul Butler won't have an easy win and get the interim title.
Casimero also wants to show something good to his opponents and MP Promotions that's why he is eager to win the fight compared to his replacement, Jonas Sultan. I don't know what will happen next to either Jonas Sultan or John Riel Casimero or if they will be part again of big fights in the future.
April 23, 2022, 01:47:28 PM
I'm fine seeing Sultan losing the bout for the interim Bantamweight title if only the result is close but his performance is not really impressive knowing he should be able to handle Paul Butler.
Looking at the scorecard, there's no competition he showed throughout the fight.
116-112, 118-110, and 117-111
Is it a lack of practice? I think, no. Butler just improved, but only against for the level of Sultan.
Looking at the scorecard, there's no competition he showed throughout the fight.
116-112, 118-110, and 117-111
Is it a lack of practice? I think, no. Butler just improved, but only against for the level of Sultan.
April 23, 2022, 11:49:07 AM
I was confident betting a bet against a friend but disappointed watching the whole fight Sultan cannot go fast Butler, and Butler just eats up all those punches and he always manages to retaliate against Sultan, I agree with the decision not the best Sultan we've seen its understandable since he is a late replacement, Butler's career is resurrected after this fight but he is nowhere as good as Donaire or Inoue.
And they said he has been training before he was called as a replacement. But I doubt that it is a full blown training, maybe just some sparring here and there and obviously he is not ready to face Butler. No controversy like a home town decision, Sultan lost fair and very clear. Lucky for him to have this moment and chance but he didn't make the best of it.It's not they said, actually he is really training because Probellum have already expected this situation to happen, I don't know where did they get that information but it turns out that they were right all these time. Sultan have been preparing for more than 8 weeks to fight against Butler but yes as you said, I also guess that his preparations weren't that much because he is not well prepared for Butler. He have this one shot to make his name re-known in the industry but he missed it! Butler have an easy win though.
Even if it is an easy win I still don't consider him a tough champion, Donaire or Inoue can easily beat Butler if anyone of the two opted to fight him since he is an interim champion, we must not take anything to Butler he won the title, not what we expected but it's a legit title fight, feel sorry for Sultan I don't know where his career is heading should have been easy win for Sultan but something is a miss along the way.
April 23, 2022, 11:18:40 AM
I was confident betting a bet against a friend but disappointed watching the whole fight Sultan cannot go fast Butler, and Butler just eats up all those punches and he always manages to retaliate against Sultan, I agree with the decision not the best Sultan we've seen its understandable since he is a late replacement, Butler's career is resurrected after this fight but he is nowhere as good as Donaire or Inoue.
And they said he has been training before he was called as a replacement. But I doubt that it is a full blown training, maybe just some sparring here and there and obviously he is not ready to face Butler. No controversy like a home town decision, Sultan lost fair and very clear. Lucky for him to have this moment and chance but he didn't make the best of it.It's not they said, actually he is really training because Probellum have already expected this situation to happen, I don't know where did they get that information but it turns out that they were right all these time. Sultan have been preparing for more than 8 weeks to fight against Butler but yes as you said, I also guess that his preparations weren't that much because he is not well prepared for Butler. He have this one shot to make his name re-known in the industry but he missed it! Butler have an easy win though.
Sultan is slow, he may have the strength in knocking his opponent but Butler is faster in counter punching him. Sultan keeps forwarding though, its the volume of punches accumulated the points for Butler to win the game. Nothing seem controversial about the fight. I watched it live actually but I didn't bet since I have no idea who these fighters are. Upon looking on their records, I probably would root for Butler by Knockout and lose still.
April 23, 2022, 10:50:46 AM
I was confident betting a bet against a friend but disappointed watching the whole fight Sultan cannot go fast Butler, and Butler just eats up all those punches and he always manages to retaliate against Sultan, I agree with the decision not the best Sultan we've seen its understandable since he is a late replacement, Butler's career is resurrected after this fight but he is nowhere as good as Donaire or Inoue.
And they said he has been training before he was called as a replacement. But I doubt that it is a full blown training, maybe just some sparring here and there and obviously he is not ready to face Butler. No controversy like a home town decision, Sultan lost fair and very clear. Lucky for him to have this moment and chance but he didn't make the best of it.It's not they said, actually he is really training because Probellum have already expected this situation to happen, I don't know where did they get that information but it turns out that they were right all these time. Sultan have been preparing for more than 8 weeks to fight against Butler but yes as you said, I also guess that his preparations weren't that much because he is not well prepared for Butler. He have this one shot to make his name re-known in the industry but he missed it! Butler have an easy win though.
April 23, 2022, 10:48:07 AM
I also agree that Casimero should move up to another division where his regular weight is not a problem rather than forcing himself to loose some of it every fight, now that he is stripped, he don't have any reasons to stay in the bantamweight division.
This might be the best option for them to take considering the bad result of this one, the team should work closely with Casimero so they can protect his reputation, such a big disappointment especially the team that is handling Casimero's boxing career, they can do better next time. That was probably one of the reasons, it's not healthy for Sultan to drain himself the fast.. He was aggressive but it seemed that the power is not the same compared to his last fight where he knock out the favorites to win many times.
Maybe because he didn't expect this match to happen or not enough time to prepared, but still he was outperformed and Butler wins the match. These Pinoy boxers under that management should think again, maybe something is wrong with them. April 23, 2022, 08:00:11 AM
Breaking news:
Paul Butler wins the WBO interim title fight via unanimous decision against Sultan.
Fortunately, I have not put any bet for this fight due to my favorite bookies not covering this one.
https://www.boxingscene.com/paul-butler-boxes-past-jonas-sultan-capture-wbo-interim-title-results--165714
Paul Butler wins the WBO interim title fight via unanimous decision against Sultan.
Fortunately, I have not put any bet for this fight due to my favorite bookies not covering this one.
https://www.boxingscene.com/paul-butler-boxes-past-jonas-sultan-capture-wbo-interim-title-results--165714
Its very unfortunate to see how the fight end up and seems sultan fighting style is so lousy since he can't adjust for what gameplay Butler show on that match.
Now Gibbons is packing up things since Butler take the belt.
If Casimero is there for sure we can see different story on that fight since Butler looks like like lack of stamina especially on late rounds on that match.
Agree, it could have been a KO win for Casimero but it is what it is lol. As I've said in my previous post that the real enemy of Casimero is himself. All he has to do is make the weight and walk into the ring and go home a champion still but unfortunately, it didn't happen as making weight for the bantamweight limit is just not possible for him in this stage of his career, he need to move up now.
I also agree that Casimero should move up to another division where his regular weight is not a problem rather than forcing himself to loose some of it every fight, now that he is stripped, he don't have any reasons to stay in the bantamweight division.
Butler could end up so beaten if Casimero haven't caught redhanded
However, we should give some credits to Sultan for trying his best to endure Butler's punches, no doubt he is strong but his IQ level doesn't match with Butler. April 23, 2022, 07:53:28 AM
And they said he has been training before he was called as a replacement. But I doubt that it is a full blown training, maybe just some sparring here and there and obviously he is not ready to face Butler. No controversy like a home town decision, Sultan lost fair and very clear. Lucky for him to have this moment and chance but he didn't make the best of it.
We are very uncertain about the quality of fight that a Sultan vs. Butler could offer to us unlike the expected Casimero vs. Butler, I mean at least in this type of fighter that will face off would be a battle worth watching for. However, this unexpected replacement of Sultan to Casimero is somehow a blessing in disguise for him and that he must serve his very best while on the ring and hopefully he could trained well for this game.
April 23, 2022, 07:20:45 AM
I was confident betting a bet against a friend but disappointed watching the whole fight Sultan cannot go fast Butler, and Butler just eats up all those punches and he always manages to retaliate against Sultan, I agree with the decision not the best Sultan we've seen its understandable since he is a late replacement, Butler's career is resurrected after this fight but he is nowhere as good as Donaire or Inoue.
And they said he has been training before he was called as a replacement. But I doubt that it is a full blown training, maybe just some sparring here and there and obviously he is not ready to face Butler. No controversy like a home town decision, Sultan lost fair and very clear. Lucky for him to have this moment and chance but he didn't make the best of it. April 23, 2022, 05:56:55 AM
Wow! So it happened. Rarely I can find boxing odds like this fight. It was so weird at 4.20 on Butler an ex champion himself. Sultan although noticed before to prepare as possible replacement but did he still expect to replace Casimero 3 days before the fight? I actually thought he can't make the weight or maybe he drained heavily after the notice which is also unhealthy. And Paul was fighting in his hometown. So I took that tempting bet at 4.20 on Paul Butler.
Up next is heavyweight's lineal and WBC champion Tyson Fury defending against mandatory challenger Dillian Whyte. I also took that 1.82 Fury by ko/tko.
Up next is heavyweight's lineal and WBC champion Tyson Fury defending against mandatory challenger Dillian Whyte. I also took that 1.82 Fury by ko/tko.
That was probably one of the reasons, it's not healthy for Sultan to drain himself the fast.. He was aggressive but it seemed that the power is not the same compared to his last fight where he knock out the favorites to win many times.
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