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And it just shows the something is really wrong when he suddenly didn't show up in the first fight. Smells something fishy and now that I have doubts that he has a medical condition. It must be really the weight issue in the first place. Perhaps they just hide it and maybe paid the doctor to give them the medical excuses. Such a pity and
unprofessionalism on his part, not his team, but the blame so be on John Riel himself.

Sean Gibbons have seen this coming as he has sent Jonas Sultan to the UK in the first place. I don't know exactly what is the violation of Casimero but I think the President of MP Promotion has something to do with it. He has said that Jonas Sultan will replace him so this must be it, it is just unfortunate that Casimero has nobody on his side to explain to him legally what's going on.

Though Jonas Sultan is a replacement fighter he is very well prepared for this fight so I think Paul Butler will have his hands full in this match also.


I doubt the MP president has something to do with Casimero's violation. Casimero was caught using a sauna just days before the fight which was against BBofC rules. If you are curious how they found out, Casimero was vlogging when they are in the sauna.

Though Jonas Sultan is a replacement fighter he is very well prepared for this fight so I think Paul Butler will have his hands full in this match also.
I am not underestimating Jonas Sultan but I think this will be a much easier fight than Casimero. I am leaning towards butler winning this fight.
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Oh crap, when we think that everything has been ok with Casimero's camp regarding this fight here comes the bad news for us boxing fans or fans of Casimero. His handlers should now every rule by the book so this is a major mistakes on their end. And he is off by 10 lbs just days before the fight?

And it seems the plan has fallen into pieces here, Casimero bolted from MP, can't make the fight because of issues. And now Sen Gibbons will cover the fight for him as a replacement is coming over, Jonas Sultan. It's a slap on Casimero.

I'm also surprised bro, but it is what it is, no more Casimero vs Butler but Sultan vs Butler. Not as exciting fight as we expect, but we have to accept what is given now and just enjoy the coming fight. I am checking the betting odds now but it's still not out yet.

And it's a double whammy for Casimero as he will have to face a governing body in the Philippines when he goes home. GAB (Games and Amusement Board) will summon John Riel Casimero to shed light of the issue and see it from Casimero's perspective. It seems though that the British Boxing Board didn't give Casimero chance to explain himself.

https://sports.inquirer.net/459235/gab-to-summon-casimero-over-medical-policy-violation

Now he's career is totally in danger for this violation and this is really the biggest mistake made on his life since if he just let that belt go if he cannot reached to the required weight he can still fight on upper weight class. But now since he select to cheat he will face those heavy consequences that might end up his career. Hopefully we cannot see the worse situation and fans can still able to see Casimero to fight in the ring.
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Oh crap, when we think that everything has been ok with Casimero's camp regarding this fight here comes the bad news for us boxing fans or fans of Casimero. His handlers should now every rule by the book so this is a major mistakes on their end. And he is off by 10 lbs just days before the fight?

And it seems the plan has fallen into pieces here, Casimero bolted from MP, can't make the fight because of issues. And now Sen Gibbons will cover the fight for him as a replacement is coming over, Jonas Sultan. It's a slap on Casimero.

I'm also surprised bro, but it is what it is, no more Casimero vs Butler but Sultan vs Butler. Not as exciting fight as we expect, but we have to accept what is given now and just enjoy the coming fight. I am checking the betting odds now but it's still not out yet.

And it's a double whammy for Casimero as he will have to face a governing body in the Philippines when he goes home. GAB (Games and Amusement Board) will summon John Riel Casimero to shed light of the issue and see it from Casimero's perspective. It seems though that the British Boxing Board didn't give Casimero chance to explain himself.

https://sports.inquirer.net/459235/gab-to-summon-casimero-over-medical-policy-violation

Ouch, even the Philippines GAB are now making him explain what happened. The career of Casimero is not really going well for now, if he struggles maintaining the required weight at the current division, might as well give up that belt and move up to a higher division.
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Oh crap, when we think that everything has been ok with Casimero's camp regarding this fight here comes the bad news for us boxing fans or fans of Casimero. His handlers should now every rule by the book so this is a major mistakes on their end. And he is off by 10 lbs just days before the fight?

And it seems the plan has fallen into pieces here, Casimero bolted from MP, can't make the fight because of issues. And now Sen Gibbons will cover the fight for him as a replacement is coming over, Jonas Sultan. It's a slap on Casimero.

I'm also surprised bro, but it is what it is, no more Casimero vs Butler but Sultan vs Butler. Not as exciting fight as we expect, but we have to accept what is given now and just enjoy the coming fight. I am checking the betting odds now but it's still not out yet.

And it's a double whammy for Casimero as he will have to face a governing body in the Philippines when he goes home. GAB (Games and Amusement Board) will summon John Riel Casimero to shed light of the issue and see it from Casimero's perspective. It seems though that the British Boxing Board didn't give Casimero chance to explain himself.

https://sports.inquirer.net/459235/gab-to-summon-casimero-over-medical-policy-violation
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Oh crap, when we think that everything has been ok with Casimero's camp regarding this fight here comes the bad news for us boxing fans or fans of Casimero. His handlers should now every rule by the book so this is a major mistakes on their end. And he is off by 10 lbs just days before the fight?

And it seems the plan has fallen into pieces here, Casimero bolted from MP, can't make the fight because of issues. And now Sen Gibbons will cover the fight for him as a replacement is coming over, Jonas Sultan. It's a slap on Casimero.

I'm also surprised bro, but it is what it is, no more Casimero vs Butler but Sultan vs Butler. Not as exciting fight as we expect, but we have to accept what is given now and just enjoy the coming fight. I am checking the betting odds now but it's still not out yet.
legendary
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Oh crap, when we think that everything has been ok with Casimero's camp regarding this fight here comes the bad news for us boxing fans or fans of Casimero. His handlers should now every rule by the book so this is a major mistakes on their end. And he is off by 10 lbs just days before the fight?

And it seems the plan has fallen into pieces here, Casimero bolted from MP, can't make the fight because of issues. And now Sen Gibbons will cover the fight for him as a replacement is coming over, Jonas Sultan. It's a slap on Casimero.
legendary
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And maybe we will see a Casimero vs Sultan fight next if Jonas will win? this could be for the regular belt or super champion as we already know that organizations now has a lot of this kind of champion belts.

I don't think that will happened next. Casimero has to start again. If ever Jonas Sultan wins, the mandatory challenger will be who's at the top of the challenger's rankings. Casimero needs to fight in a non-title fight first and worked on climbing up ranks again.

And adding to that, there might be other sanctions that the WBO will impose like temporarily restricting Casimero to have a fight again for at least 6 months to 1 year or whatever is included on the order.
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Unfortunate news for Casimero fans, he's now out of the match and a huge chances that he also lost his belt for violating the rules of BBBOFC.

Read the article here: https://www.ringtv.com/638052-john-riel-casimero-vs-paul-butler-off-due-to-casimeros-violation-of-bbbofc-medical-policy/

Don't know if Casimero's camp doesn't know about this or they are desperate to lose more weights that's why they go to this option and what more dumber thing they do is they release a video about what they do.

Now they are preparing Sultan to fight against Butler and this is a huge shame on Casimero.
What?!

I thought that this is all set and they're going to be fighting. Now, a huge change has been and it's in the last minute. Really a shame, they should have been aware of the policies about the medical.

Didn't we also saw some last change made on the other fights? This is becoming popular lately but this is just disappointing.

This is really disappointing the boxing community had months-long discussion about the fight only to get one of the boxers replaced, but the organization has to do what they have to do, the team is to blame for this, anyway, Casimero will also get strip of the title if he fights over the weight limit, its good that another Filipino is battling for the title, Sultan also has a chance to win the title, he is a more better fighter than Casimero having beaten him when they met.
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Unfortunate news for Casimero fans, he's now out of the match and a huge chances that he also lost his belt for violating the rules of BBBOFC.

Read the article here: https://www.ringtv.com/638052-john-riel-casimero-vs-paul-butler-off-due-to-casimeros-violation-of-bbbofc-medical-policy/

Don't know if Casimero's camp doesn't know about this or they are desperate to lose more weights that's why they go to this option and what more dumber thing they do is they release a video about what they do.

Now they are preparing Sultan to fight against Butler and this is a huge shame on Casimero.
What?!

I thought that this is all set and they're going to be fighting. Now, a huge change has been and it's in the last minute. Really a shame, they should have been aware of the policies about the medical.

Didn't we also saw some last change made on the other fights? This is becoming popular lately but this is just disappointing.
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Oh! another unexpected event which we thought will not gonna happen because we know that they cannot do anything funny before the fight. What is hard to comply with the rules when conditioning and getting ready for the fight? I mean, how in the world have they failed 2x in a row to comply with the BBBofC to be cleared and ready to defend his title? If that is the case, people will be less excited when Casimero will fight again, or will he gonna have a chance to fight again?

For now he do need to relax and make himself physically ready so that in possible future fights then there wont really be an issue something like this.Its totally that disappointing because there are several issues which first is about health issues and next rumor is about file case complaints and next is that Visa issue and now it comes back again to be real which is regarding about his health.
People would be hesitant or wont believe in next time if Casimero had upcoming fight because everything could happen along the way instantly due to some factors.
Once they had finalized then there's nothing we can do.
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And it just shows the something is really wrong when he suddenly didn't show up in the first fight. Smells something fishy and now that I have doubts that he has a medical condition. It must be really the weight issue in the first place. Perhaps they just hide it and maybe paid the doctor to give them the medical excuses. Such a pity and
unprofessionalism on his part, not his team, but the blame so be on John Riel himself.

Sean Gibbons have seen this coming as he has sent Jonas Sultan to the UK in the first place. I don't know exactly what is the violation of Casimero but I think the President of MP Promotion has something to do with it. He has said that Jonas Sultan will replace him so this must be it, it is just unfortunate that Casimero has nobody on his side to explain to him legally what's going on.

Though Jonas Sultan is a replacement fighter he is very well prepared for this fight so I think Paul Butler will have his hands full in this match also.

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Casimero was denied permission by the British Boxing Board of Control (BBBofC) to proceed with his planned title defense after a medical guidelines violation.
https://www.boxingscene.com/paul-butler-jonas-sultan-wbo-approves-interim-title-fight-casimero-title-status-under-review--165644

Im not that familiar on how Sultan fights but i could see this guy is capable but Butler do feels out about dominance against him.Lets see!

Oh! another unexpected event which we thought will not gonna happen because we know that they cannot do anything funny before the fight. What is hard to comply with the rules when conditioning and getting ready for the fight? I mean, how in the world have they failed 2x in a row to comply with the BBBofC to be cleared and ready to defend his title? If that is the case, people will be less excited when Casimero will fight again, or will he gonna have a chance to fight again?
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^ Yes, it seems that we have a solid information that Casimero is out of the Butler fight and Jonas Sultan will be his replacement.

So it's true after-all, and Jonas is prepared no doubt about it, very hungry, unfortunately, there are no odds for this fight. Maybe the bookies are also caught by surprise, nevertheless, UK loves to bet on their fighters so the best thing for us is to wait for crypto sports bookies to offer this fight for us.
So i was searching if this is because of that VISA issue but it was on his health condition.

Casimero was denied permission by the British Boxing Board of Control (BBBofC) to proceed with his planned title defense after a medical guidelines violation.
https://www.boxingscene.com/paul-butler-jonas-sultan-wbo-approves-interim-title-fight-casimero-title-status-under-review--165644

Im not that familiar on how Sultan fights but i could see this guy is capable but Butler do feels out about dominance against him.Lets see!
There’s a lot of issues actually with Casimero, they might not want to push this fight after all so let’s move on to the next match between Butler and Sultan, looks like they are all prepared for this match and we are being fooled again. In just 2 days they’ll see each other and I won’t bet for now because I was not able to predict this one, and its too risky for me to bet on a match like this.
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^ Yes, it seems that we have a solid information that Casimero is out of the Butler fight and Jonas Sultan will be his replacement.

So it's true after-all, and Jonas is prepared no doubt about it, very hungry, unfortunately, there are no odds for this fight. Maybe the bookies are also caught by surprise, nevertheless, UK loves to bet on their fighters so the best thing for us is to wait for crypto sports bookies to offer this fight for us.
So i was searching if this is because of that VISA issue but it was on his health condition.

Casimero was denied permission by the British Boxing Board of Control (BBBofC) to proceed with his planned title defense after a medical guidelines violation.
https://www.boxingscene.com/paul-butler-jonas-sultan-wbo-approves-interim-title-fight-casimero-title-status-under-review--165644

Im not that familiar on how Sultan fights but i could see this guy is capable but Butler do feels out about dominance against him.Lets see!
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^ Yes, it seems that we have a solid information that Casimero is out of the Butler fight and Jonas Sultan will be his replacement.

So it's true after-all, and Jonas is prepared no doubt about it, very hungry, unfortunately, there are no odds for this fight. Maybe the bookies are also caught by surprise, nevertheless, UK loves to bet on their fighters so the best thing for us is to wait for crypto sports bookies to offer this fight for us.
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Jonas Sultan vs Paul Butler will be the fight we will see on April 22nd.

It will be an interim WBO Bantamweight Title. When we say "interim" it means a temporary championship. Maybe upgraded to the WBO Bantamweight Championship if Casimero will be stripped from his title.
Still second good option though, Jonas Sultan is also a good replacement fighter, another Filipino that has power in both hands maybe not as popular as Casimero, but he can get the same results, win the fight and go home with the belt.

And maybe we will see a Casimero vs Sultan fight next if Jonas will win? this could be for the regular belt or super champion as we already know that organizations now has a lot of this kind of champion belts.
Most likely it would happen since we know that boxers would really be aiming on getting the belt.Is it already solid information about Casimero on getting replaced?

It seems that there are indeed lots of issues or noise around about this fight.As i have read up earlier that Casimero is already in UK which means
the fight would definitely be proceeding.I havent searched up latest news though but its already understandable imho.
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Jonas Sultan vs Paul Butler will be the fight we will see on April 22nd.

It will be an interim WBO Bantamweight Title. When we say "interim" it means a temporary championship. Maybe upgraded to the WBO Bantamweight Championship if Casimero will be stripped from his title.
Still second good option though, Jonas Sultan is also a good replacement fighter, another Filipino that has power in both hands maybe not as popular as Casimero, but he can get the same results, win the fight and go home with the belt.

And maybe we will see a Casimero vs Sultan fight next if Jonas will win? this could be for the regular belt or super champion as we already know that organizations now has a lot of this kind of champion belts.
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And it just shows the something is really wrong when he suddenly didn't show up in the first fight. Smells something fishy and now that I have doubts that he has a medical condition. It must be really the weight issue in the first place. Perhaps they just hide it and maybe paid the doctor to give them the medical excuses. Such a pity and
unprofessionalism on his part, not his team, but the blame so be on John Riel himself.
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I don't think of any way how John Riel Casimero will be able to save their ass on this violation.

It's just surprised me that it's impossible they don't know or aware of the weight rules. According to the report, when he arrived in the UK, he completed a series of two weight checks. First check, good. The second check now indicates a shocking 10 lbs reduction in 3 days. That is something not possible even with a serious good diet and exercise.

This just shows that there's really a problem in maintaining his weight. A problem that they didn't been able to solve since the postponement of the first fight. It's really unfortunate that he will lose the title even without defending it.

Jonas Sultan vs Paul Butler will be the fight we will see on April 22nd.

It will be an interim WBO Bantamweight Title. When we say "interim" it means a temporary championship. Maybe upgraded to the WBO Bantamweight Championship if Casimero will be stripped from his title.
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Ok so it's good to hear that Casimero is already in England and going ready to accustomed with the weather.  Just a week before the fight, he needs to settle down now, manage his weight and just get some few sparring session to get him warm. For now, let's assume that everything is in place, Casimero vs Butler is going to happen although there are no odds yet for this fight on the bookies that I usually bet.
Its good to know this one and confirm that the rumors are just fake news. Casimero have to focus on his match and yes maintain everything so he can qualify and be on a good condition. This can be his one of the huge fight, and he should win on this. I’m also waiting for the odds and waiting for the main stream to give information about the live telecast.

Right, finally the rumors has been settled already, there is no visa problem for Casimero. We really don't know who started it but at least he has landed safe in England and preparation is rolling already. The only thing is the weight, but he has a full week to be ready and go on a diet. So for us, this is a good and betting can start soon once our favorite sports bookies (which usually are late) open up the odds.
Those are just rumors and most probably a concern bettor is the one who spread that or maybe part of their way to market this match. The weight should maintain properly, Casimero have to be more cautious now and yes focus on his upcoming match. With regards to his trainer, I believe he still have the back up teams to handle everything, so let’s not be worried much about this one.

This is great news, we are all watching Casimero because he is the fighter who attracts the most attention, besides being overweight is not a problem, with the training he must do in a few hours he will surely reach the ideal, which if it is good is that he adapt to the weather in England, that he do it quickly so that he doesn't get any kind of cold or something that puts the fight in check, regarding Casimero's training, I think Butler already has enough pressure to be ready to this fight, this week is decisive for both of us, I hope that this is one of the best fights that this year offers us.

Unfortunate news for Casimero fans, he's now out of the match and a huge chances that he also lost his belt for violating the rules of BBBOFC.
How they will respond? And if ever they are able to respond, will WBO accept their statement?

The next 48 hours are critical for Casimero.

Even if they explain I doubt that he can still retain his belt, there's Sultan vs Butler fight that has been set and they are fighting for the belt what Casimero have so for sure even if they explain he still lose that belt as he violate the written rules of BBBOFC.

Now the chances for fans to see the Inoue vs Casimero became more slimmer as Inoue's camp for sure will not interested to fight Casimero at this current state.

Everything is not going well for Casimero, he broke the rules, and he has to face the consequences. However, though this is a bad news, I am still not that sad because I'm seeing Sultan fighting Butler which I think the Filipino has the edge on this fight, hopefully he will be listed as an underdog.

Very bad on their camp and they just burned their self ror taking video while doing that violation. I think the people surround him is so amateur that's why they didn't take extra precaution upon doing that actions. But since he willingly do that bad actions I guess we should wait for the update on what Casimero camps release a statement regarding on this unfortunate incidents to them. If they cannot convince the officials then this will be a huge loss for him.
I don't know what to react after I saw the news, how can they be so dumb about it and they even post it on the internet? Is his camp really that excited because they want to show Casimero's preparation. For sure they already knew the rules, now Casimero is in a very deep trouble as he should explain in less than 30 hours from the time of this writing why he did that.

Also, I have read that the WBO is already suspecting what did Casimero do to lose such 10 pounds for just a matter of days and now that questioned has been answered.

The truth is that this surprises me, I don't know if these measures are already the ones that correspond to him, they should make a defense in favor of sport, this sincerely behind every business model, totally affects the world of boxing..

I think there are ways to rescue things, the media is very tabloid and can destroy in seconds.

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