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Casimero is a good boxer, he is a champion and there's nothing to prove anymore. In fact, I like him because he challenges all the champions in the same division, things that Inoue and Donaire did not do, so if they will give him a chance, that would mean it's a big fight as fans will definitely pay to watch that big fight.

Yes. That's for sure that the next fights of Casimero will be much awaited and many would love to pay to watch it live or through PPV. And with this match against Butler.
It could be a deciding factor too about the decision of those interested fans for his match. We usually become disappointed just after watching boxers like him come from a loss but I don't think that he'll ever taste that.

If there's a lot of people that will watch this fight for sure, promoters will bring another good fight for Casimero.

Knowing how good this champ was and how he always wants to deliver his win, though the last fight is a boring one due to

his opponent is not willing to go toe to toe. instead decides to protect himself from possible humiliations, not expecting any

upset from Casimero and looking forward to more fight either protecting his belt or trying to challenge another title holder.

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Fight Butler and then knock him out, simply formula to get the attention of Inoue and his camp.

Or maybe the other way around, what if Inoue would chicken out after seeing how Casimero knock out Butler. We know that he is undefeated and working with the Top Rank promotion, would Bob willing to risk his cash cow against a known good counter puncher that has the ability to KO an opponent?

I don't think boxers are chickening out just because their supposedly opponent knock out someone. This game is about "machismo", - masculine pride. So Inoue will be more likely wanted to fight Casimero and show who is the tougher and who will be knock out. Bob though is a wise promoter, just maybe he will wait it out and try to milk Inoue more by fighting other names first. There was a rumor already that Inoue vs Donaire is going to happen this year so Casimero will have to wait and fall in line again.

Just like what I emphasized, Inoue still depends on his promoter, if Top Rank does not want to risk him against Casimero, then the fight will not happen. I believe that Casimero had already won big fights int he past that could attract the attention of Inoue if he really want to fight him, Casimero beat Tete and the boxers after that fight, so why still he cannot sign a contract with Casimero?

Promoters have the last word for this. If they want to deal with this possible fight, it's easy to discuss after

this fight against Butler, if there's more money to realize it will happen, but for now, there's still no
words from top rank, I remember back then when Casimero grabs the attention of Inoue inside social media
but there's no follow up from that the chance of seeing the rematch between Donaire and Inoue instead.

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Fight Butler and then knock him out, simply formula to get the attention of Inoue and his camp.

Or maybe the other way around, what if Inoue would chicken out after seeing how Casimero knock out Butler. We know that he is undefeated and working with the Top Rank promotion, would Bob willing to risk his cash cow against a known good counter puncher that has the ability to KO an opponent?

I don't think boxers are chickening out just because their supposedly opponent knock out someone. This game is about "machismo", - masculine pride. So Inoue will be more likely wanted to fight Casimero and show who is the tougher and who will be knock out. Bob though is a wise promoter, just maybe he will wait it out and try to milk Inoue more by fighting other names first. There was a rumor already that Inoue vs Donaire is going to happen this year so Casimero will have to wait and fall in line again.

Just like what I emphasized, Inoue still depends on his promoter, if Top Rank does not want to risk him against Casimero, then the fight will not happen. I believe that Casimero had already won big fights int he past that could attract the attention of Inoue if he really want to fight him, Casimero beat Tete and the boxers after that fight, so why still he cannot sign a contract with Casimero?

That's the only hindrance, if Top Rank will not choose Casimero to fight Inoue, the big fight is not going to happen. Top signed Inoue as their investment, so they'll make sure that their fighter will remain popular and will continue to be popular, putting Casimero in front of Inoue is a big risk on their part, so there's still a doubt that the fight would remain a dream only.

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Quote from: cryptomaniac_xxx on March 12, 2022, 10:21:14 AM

Fight Butler and then knock him out, simply formula to get the attention of Inoue and his camp.

Or maybe the other way around, what if Inoue would chicken out after seeing how Casimero knock out Butler. We know that he is undefeated and working with the Top Rank promotion, would Bob willing to risk his cash cow against a known good counter puncher that has the ability to KO an opponent?

I don't think boxers are chickening out just because their supposedly opponent knock out someone. This game is about "machismo", - masculine pride. So Inoue will be more likely wanted to fight Casimero and show who is the tougher and who will be knock out. Bob though is a wise promoter, just maybe he will wait it out and try to milk Inoue more by fighting other names first. There was a rumor already that Inoue vs Donaire is going to happen this year so Casimero will have to wait and fall in line again.

Just like what I emphasized, Inoue still depends on his promoter, if Top Rank does not want to risk him against Casimero, then the fight will not happen. I believe that Casimero had already won big fights int he past that could attract the attention of Inoue if he really want to fight him, Casimero beat Tete and the boxers after that fight, so why still he cannot sign a contract with Casimero?

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Yes, we are talking about his future fight, but Casimero has one in his hand right now and it is not going to be a walk in the park fight. Butler will go and show his talent in front of his hometown and Casimero will have to dig deeper and try to knock out Butler so that there will be no doubt.

For now, stop pre-occupying his mind with Inoue, because it will not help him that much in this fight.

We are certainly looking forward to a future fight of Casimero especially if he will be given a chance to have a face-off against Inoue because we all knew that this is one of the great fights that we can ever see. But for now, he needs to keep his focus on his upcoming battle against Butler and he must aim to win this fight either via Unanimous Decision or much better if he wins against butler via Knock Out. Though Casimero have some personal issues or problems but this time his career should be his top priority.

That's the chance he really needs, and if he beats Inoue, for sure he will get the respect that he deserves.

If he sticks with his trash-talking technique, I think there's no problem with that because he proves that he can do the talking inside and outside the ring.
Asian champions rule in the bantamweight division, it's time to have an undisputed champion to know who really is the best.

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Quote from: Botnake on March 14, 2022, 06:24:29 AM

Casimero is a good boxer, he is a champion and there's nothing to prove anymore. In fact, I like him because he challenges all the champions in the same division, things that Inoue and Donaire did not do, so if they will give him a chance, that would mean it's a big fight as fans will definitely pay to watch that big fight.

Yes. That's for sure that the next fights of Casimero will be much awaited and many would love to pay to watch it live or through PPV. And with this match against Butler.
It could be a deciding factor too about the decision of those interested fans for his match. We usually become disappointed just after watching boxers like him come from a loss but I don't think that he'll ever taste that.

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Quote from: Jating on March 14, 2022, 04:40:15 AM

Yes, we are talking about his future fight, but Casimero has one in his hand right now and it is not going to be a walk in the park fight. Butler will go and show his talent in front of his hometown and Casimero will have to dig deeper and try to knock out Butler so that there will be no doubt.

For now, stop pre-occupying his mind with Inoue, because it will not help him that much in this fight.

We are certainly looking forward to a future fight of Casimero especially if he will be given a chance to have a face-off against Inoue because we all knew that this is one of the great fights that we can ever see. But for now, he needs to keep his focus on his upcoming battle against Butler and he must aim to win this fight either via Unanimous Decision or much better if he wins against butler via Knock Out. Though Casimero have some personal issues or problems but this time his career should be his top priority.

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^^Right, that's what I'm trying to say, Casimero should take this fight lightly or not to think about the possible money he has to make if he was given the chance to fight thte monster. For now his fellow Filipino will have the job to beat the Inoue. All he can do is wait for the result, concentrate of Butler, crack him score a knock out and let his win propel him to Inoue.

That is exactly what he needs right now since he was kinda spoiled his last fight and trying to be cool in this one and it didn't work well that's why the fight has now been delayed. Thankfully Donaire took that chance and give him enough space to concentrate on this one. He really needs to put everything to win this fight and work hard for K.O Butler because that would be his ultimate ticket if Donaire lost the fight with Inoue.

Not really understand what you mean by spoiled in his last fight. But Casimero might be trying to portray himself as a trash talker, maybe that's what he wanted, emulate American style of boxing, but for Asians it doesn't work at least not for Manny Pacquiao and it won't work for fighting another Asian, Inoue. So he should keep his spirit by training hard, directed all of his attention to Butler.

It's not that's what he wanted. That's his actual role in boxing, draw attention and talk sh*t with your opponent to sell the fight. This could actually work If your skill set is near the elite fighter Mayweather.
When you're too good, people wants you to be defeated and badly beaten because of your cockiness and it will bring more people to the stadium, of course you'll gonna sell more tickets and ppvs.
These fighters might not really cocky in their personal life, it's just that they have adapted the kind of role in their sport.

Casimero is a good boxer, he is a champion and there's nothing to prove anymore. In fact, I like him because he challenges all the champions in the same division, things that Inoue and Donaire did not do, so if they will give him a chance, that would mean it's a big fight as fans will definitely pay to watch that big fight.

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Quote from: cryptomaniac_xxx on March 13, 2022, 05:31:20 PM

^^Right, that's what I'm trying to say, Casimero should take this fight lightly or not to think about the possible money he has to make if he was given the chance to fight thte monster. For now his fellow Filipino will have the job to beat the Inoue. All he can do is wait for the result, concentrate of Butler, crack him score a knock out and let his win propel him to Inoue.

That is exactly what he needs right now since he was kinda spoiled his last fight and trying to be cool in this one and it didn't work well that's why the fight has now been delayed. Thankfully Donaire took that chance and give him enough space to concentrate on this one. He really needs to put everything to win this fight and work hard for K.O Butler because that would be his ultimate ticket if Donaire lost the fight with Inoue.

Not really understand what you mean by spoiled in his last fight. But Casimero might be trying to portray himself as a trash talker, maybe that's what he wanted, emulate American style of boxing, but for Asians it doesn't work at least not for Manny Pacquiao and it won't work for fighting another Asian, Inoue. So he should keep his spirit by training hard, directed all of his attention to Butler.

It's not that's what he wanted. That's his actual role in boxing, draw attention and talk sh*t with your opponent to sell the fight. This could actually work If your skill set is near the elite fighter Mayweather.
When you're too good, people wants you to be defeated and badly beaten because of your cockiness and it will bring more people to the stadium, of course you'll gonna sell more tickets and ppvs.
These fighters might not really cocky in their personal life, it's just that they have adapted the kind of role in their sport.

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Quote from: cryptomaniac_xxx on March 14, 2022, 05:44:54 AM

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Quote from: cryptomaniac_xxx on March 13, 2022, 05:31:20 PM

^^Right, that's what I'm trying to say, Casimero should take this fight lightly or not to think about the possible money he has to make if he was given the chance to fight thte monster. For now his fellow Filipino will have the job to beat the Inoue. All he can do is wait for the result, concentrate of Butler, crack him score a knock out and let his win propel him to Inoue.

That is exactly what he needs right now since he was kinda spoiled his last fight and trying to be cool in this one and it didn't work well that's why the fight has now been delayed. Thankfully Donaire took that chance and give him enough space to concentrate on this one. He really needs to put everything to win this fight and work hard for K.O Butler because that would be his ultimate ticket if Donaire lost the fight with Inoue.

Not really understand what you mean by spoiled in his last fight. But Casimero might be trying to portray himself as a trash talker, maybe that's what he wanted, emulate American style of boxing, but for Asians it doesn't work at least not for Manny Pacquiao and it won't work for fighting another Asian, Inoue. So he should keep his spirit by training hard, directed all of his attention to Butler.

Exactly, he cannot even speak English fluently and yet he trash talk, maybe to be more effective, he just speaks on his dialect and hires an interpreter. Action speaks louder than words, that should be the kind of style every Filipino boxer has to do, they should just follow Manny, win fights and impress the fans and big fights will certainly come after.

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Quote from: yazher on March 14, 2022, 04:35:10 AM

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^^Right, that's what I'm trying to say, Casimero should take this fight lightly or not to think about the possible money he has to make if he was given the chance to fight thte monster. For now his fellow Filipino will have the job to beat the Inoue. All he can do is wait for the result, concentrate of Butler, crack him score a knock out and let his win propel him to Inoue.

That is exactly what he needs right now since he was kinda spoiled his last fight and trying to be cool in this one and it didn't work well that's why the fight has now been delayed. Thankfully Donaire took that chance and give him enough space to concentrate on this one. He really needs to put everything to win this fight and work hard for K.O Butler because that would be his ultimate ticket if Donaire lost the fight with Inoue.

Not really understand what you mean by spoiled in his last fight. But Casimero might be trying to portray himself as a trash talker, maybe that's what he wanted, emulate American style of boxing, but for Asians it doesn't work at least not for Manny Pacquiao and it won't work for fighting another Asian, Inoue. So he should keep his spirit by training hard, directed all of his attention to Butler.

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Quote from: yazher on March 14, 2022, 04:35:10 AM

Quote from: cryptomaniac_xxx on March 13, 2022, 05:31:20 PM

^^Right, that's what I'm trying to say, Casimero should take this fight lightly or not to think about the possible money he has to make if he was given the chance to fight thte monster. For now his fellow Filipino will have the job to beat the Inoue. All he can do is wait for the result, concentrate of Butler, crack him score a knock out and let his win propel him to Inoue.

That is exactly what he needs right now since he was kinda spoiled his last fight and trying to be cool in this one and it didn't work well that's why the fight has now been delayed. Thankfully Donaire took that chance and give him enough space to concentrate on this one. He really needs to put everything to win this fight and work hard for K.O Butler because that would be his ultimate ticket if Donaire lost the fight with Inoue.

Yes, we are talking about his future fight, but Casimero has one in his hand right now and it is not going to be a walk in the park fight. Butler will go and show his talent in front of his hometown and Casimero will have to dig deeper and try to knock out Butler so that there will be no doubt.

For now, stop pre-occupying his mind with Inoue, because it will not help him that much in this fight.

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Quote from: cryptomaniac_xxx on March 13, 2022, 05:31:20 PM

^^Right, that's what I'm trying to say, Casimero should take this fight lightly or not to think about the possible money he has to make if he was given the chance to fight thte monster. For now his fellow Filipino will have the job to beat the Inoue. All he can do is wait for the result, concentrate of Butler, crack him score a knock out and let his win propel him to Inoue.

That is exactly what he needs right now since he was kinda spoiled his last fight and trying to be cool in this one and it didn't work well that's why the fight has now been delayed. Thankfully Donaire took that chance and give him enough space to concentrate on this one. He really needs to put everything to win this fight and work hard for K.O Butler because that would be his ultimate ticket if Donaire lost the fight with Inoue.

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Quote from: cryptomaniac_xxx on March 12, 2022, 10:21:14 AM

Fight Butler and then knock him out, simply formula to get the attention of Inoue and his camp.

Or maybe the other way around, what if Inoue would chicken out after seeing how Casimero knock out Butler. We know that he is undefeated and working with the Top Rank promotion, would Bob willing to risk his cash cow against a known good counter puncher that has the ability to KO an opponent?

I don't think boxers are chickening out just because their supposedly opponent knock out someone. This game is about "machismo", - masculine pride. So Inoue will be more likely wanted to fight Casimero and show who is the tougher and who will be knock out. Bob though is a wise promoter, just maybe he will wait it out and try to milk Inoue more by fighting other names first. There was a rumor already that Inoue vs Donaire is going to happen this year so Casimero will have to wait and fall in line again.

If Casimero will be successful in defeating Butler, either if it is a UD or KO then I think Bob Arum won't have any options as Casimero is in the next line. Bob may be afraid to risk Inoue's career as of money talks because his cash cow would deflate in value once it is defeated.

Another thing, it's highly possible that Inoue would face Donaire first before Casimero. Remember that Inoue said that he's going back this June? I think that's for Donaire and not for Casimero because that's just 2 months from the fight and he definitely need some rest after his fight this April.

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Quote from: cryptomaniac_xxx on March 13, 2022, 05:31:20 PM

^^Right, that's what I'm trying to say, Casimero should take this fight lightly or not to think about the possible money he has to make if he was given the chance to fight thte monster. For now his fellow Filipino will have the job to beat the Inoue. All he can do is wait for the result, concentrate of Butler, crack him score a knock out and let his win propel him to Inoue.

But there is also this scenario of Donaire beating Inoue.

I don't think that Donaire vs Inoue will happen. They have sit down and settle things up already. And the Donaires is the one who help Casimero get out of the MP promotions and join him with Probellum.

But perhaps the Inoue even if he lost can go and fight Casimero for the money.

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^^Right, that's what I'm trying to say, Casimero should take this fight lightly or not to think about the possible money he has to make if he was given the chance to fight thte monster. For now his fellow Filipino will have the job to beat the Inoue. All he can do is wait for the result, concentrate of Butler, crack him score a knock out and let his win propel him to Inoue.

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Quote from: Baofeng on March 13, 2022, 05:15:42 PM

Quote from: Ziskinberg on March 12, 2022, 11:55:26 AM

Quote from: cryptomaniac_xxx on March 12, 2022, 10:21:14 AM

Fight Butler and then knock him out, simply formula to get the attention of Inoue and his camp.

Or maybe the other way around, what if Inoue would chicken out after seeing how Casimero knock out Butler. We know that he is undefeated and working with the Top Rank promotion, would Bob willing to risk his cash cow against a known good counter puncher that has the ability to KO an opponent?

I don't think boxers are chickening out just because their supposedly opponent knock out someone. This game is about "machismo", - masculine pride. So Inoue will be more likely wanted to fight Casimero and show who is the tougher and who will be knock out. Bob though is a wise promoter, just maybe he will wait it out and try to milk Inoue more by fighting other names first. There was a rumor already that Inoue vs Donaire is going to happen this year so Casimero will have to wait and fall in line again.

Yes, seems that Inoue vs. Donaire may happen first as they are already in talks and possibly happen this coming April. Maybe, their promoters are still in talks about the purse split here. But definitely, it will be higher for Inoue. This will be a very good fight to finally settle who is really the best among these 2.

https://www.boxingscene.com/naoya-inoue-vs-nonito-donaire-rematch-negotiations-april-japan--163508

And with regards to Casimero's fight, he needs to finish Butler first before thinking of Inoue.

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Quote from: Ziskinberg on March 12, 2022, 11:55:26 AM

Quote from: cryptomaniac_xxx on March 12, 2022, 10:21:14 AM

Fight Butler and then knock him out, simply formula to get the attention of Inoue and his camp.

Or maybe the other way around, what if Inoue would chicken out after seeing how Casimero knock out Butler. We know that he is undefeated and working with the Top Rank promotion, would Bob willing to risk his cash cow against a known good counter puncher that has the ability to KO an opponent?

I don't think boxers are chickening out just because their supposedly opponent knock out someone. This game is about "machismo", - masculine pride. So Inoue will be more likely wanted to fight Casimero and show who is the tougher and who will be knock out. Bob though is a wise promoter, just maybe he will wait it out and try to milk Inoue more by fighting other names first. There was a rumor already that Inoue vs Donaire is going to happen this year so Casimero will have to wait and fall in line again.

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Quote from: Ziskinberg on March 12, 2022, 11:55:26 AM

Quote from: cryptomaniac_xxx on March 12, 2022, 10:21:14 AM

Fight Butler and then knock him out, simply formula to get the attention of Inoue and his camp.

Or maybe the other way around, what if Inoue would chicken out after seeing how Casimero knock out Butler. We know that he is undefeated and working with the Top Rank promotion, would Bob willing to risk his cash cow against a known good counter puncher that has the ability to KO an opponent?

I think Naoya Inoue is not like that. Knowing him he will just fight against anyone who assigned to him as long as the "price is right".

The concern will be probably to his promoter but knowing Arum, he is not the type of person who will risk without an assurance that he will get it by high chance. He will not reached his status as the biggest and most influential promoter if he didn't know how to play the game on that industry.

If others looked at Casimero as a good counter puncher, the same goes for Naoya Inoue. He won't be a champion holding several titles at the same time if he didn't know how to deal against an opponent with a good counter punch.

Everything would vary though but i do agree about Arum on who do knows on how to play the game on which he would really utilize a particular boxer if he do sees that it would be a worthy one.

He wouldnt really be piling up those fights on a hurry and would be thinking carefully because if Inoue would be beaten up possibly on their fight with Casimero then that would surely
take up some toll but somehow having 1 loss isnt really just too big of an issue though but much sure that Casimero should win in all possible fights that would be set unto him.

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Quote from: Ziskinberg on March 12, 2022, 11:55:26 AM

Quote from: cryptomaniac_xxx on March 12, 2022, 10:21:14 AM

Fight Butler and then knock him out, simply formula to get the attention of Inoue and his camp.

Or maybe the other way around, what if Inoue would chicken out after seeing how Casimero knock out Butler. We know that he is undefeated and working with the Top Rank promotion, would Bob willing to risk his cash cow against a known good counter puncher that has the ability to KO an opponent?

I think Naoya Inoue is not like that. Knowing him he will just fight against anyone who assigned to him as long as the "price is right".

The concern will be probably to his promoter but knowing Arum, he is not the type of person who will risk without an assurance that he will get it by high chance. He will not reached his status as the biggest and most influential promoter if he didn't know how to play the game on that industry.

If others looked at Casimero as a good counter puncher, the same goes for Naoya Inoue. He won't be a champion holding several titles at the same time if he didn't know how to deal against an opponent with a good counter punch.

Sorry for off-topic Mr. Paul Butler.

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