Topic: [Boxing] Tank Davis vs. Ryan Garcia betting and discussion (May, 2023) - page 32. (Read 7545 times)

That's your choice.
We all have different analyses of this fight. I still the Tank can knock out Garcia in just a single window of error. But, if Garcia can maximize that slow start of Garcia then maybe he will win, after that, he might receive the biggest punches in his life.
The odds are favoring Davis because he has the power to end this quickly, without that he will be the underdog for sure. Experience-wise, he is also above Garcia, especially in fights and outside fighters like the last one Hector Garcia.
You have your bet for Garcia, I have mine for Davis which I actually hoped to be profitable if they change the odds.

small but terrible this is Ryan Garcia is and we all know how he handle biggest opponent and about tank Davis which is very tough fighter and very good as well thats why this fight is good to watch cause these two fighter won't hang thier gloves easily and want to prove that they are both the best fighter but for now all we need is to wait and listen the final decision of both sides. Garcia is hungry and want to show who is he.

Rayn seems to get confident it appears it's really Tank that keeps making this match hanging still while they still negotiate with the fee.  Ryan running out of patience for there is still the likelihood of this match to not happen suggest something rash winner take all 

Power and speed that's what Ryan has against the experience and power of Tank. They still have to keep hyping the fight 3 months is forever for someone too excited.

I think the fight will be made but Tank is probably trying to get as much money as possible out of this deal because Garcia is a legit threat to him. Garcia has some of the best power in the division even though he is very small compared to a lot of the fighters but he has a good upper cut and is very fast. I can see why Tank would want to get as much as possible from this deal because he could lose and I think he will lose. The odds are favoring Tank atm but that is because he as a longer career with more notable wins but Garcia is young and hungry and I will take the young and hungry fighter any day.

By the way, this fight is not a championship fight unless we call national, regional, and other minor belts champions. Devin Haney already owns all the belts in this division which is why he is called undisputed. Al Haymon's PBC only has a managerial license so officially it is not a promotion but in reality, it is a de facto promotion company since it established and makes deals with tv networks Showtime and Fox. There are still no sources that Tank Davis already signed a contract with any promoter but most likely he signed or he is still under contract to PBC as its manager. So there is actually no need for Tank Davis to sign to a promoter since Al Haymon has many dummy promoters it can use anytime. Even Mayweather Promotion is turning into a dummy as well, probably the reason why Tank left because it served no purpose while it probably took a big chunk of his purse.

Al Haymon or it could be Showtime too in the past blocked a joint promotion and tv deals with GBP and DAZN for the supposedly mandatory fight between Jermall Charlo and Jaime Mungia. PBC/Showtime proposed they will promote and telecast the fight alone and they also want a rematch clause if Charlo losses. In the rematch clause, PBC/Showtime allows GBP and DAZN to do their jobs. So I guess everyone in the boxing world is expecting the same approach in this Tank-Kingry fight. Seems like Haymon and Showtime became more greedy than ever.   

Yeah, winner-takes all are prohibited in boxing. Including betting a huge portion of their purse to the winner. It seems like lazy Kingry is craving an early retirement and wants to cash out big time before he focuses on becoming a full social media influencer. But I don't know why the always-play-safe Hymen and Tank are still scared and want more in the deal.

And this is what Ryan Garcia has to say:


https://www.boxingscene.com/ryan-garcia-tank-no-rematch-clause-winner-takes-all-coward-stop-staying-quiet-behind-haymon--172359

I doubt though that Al and Tank will have to bow on this kind of threat from Ryan.

I'm still seeing that this fight can be iron out by both parties and the fight pushing in May or in a later date. Brave though from Ryan about the winner takes all suggestion, but it hasn't happen in boxing.

Yes, definitely it deserves a rematch specially if the first fight turns out to be that good that fans wanted more. But the thing with this promoter right now is that they want to make sure everything is right before they agree on such terms.

And that is the stumbling block again in this fight. It's the question on how is going to control the rematch?

What's funny is, they even have the first fight and now they have issues on the rematch clause?

Did Tank Davis signed under Al Haymon of PBC already? All these time, I thought everything was okay and that GBP will organize the fight even if there's a rematch will happen as Tank is now flying solo and will build his own promotional company in the following years. Actually, it's not that new already that the discussion will suddenly become ugly because Al Haymon is now included in the equation. I don't know about that man, but he keeps on insisting that he should have the power always.

This is a big fight, a championship fight, I think it deserves a rematch. On the promoters' end, I believe it's beneficial on them, and for the boxers, they will surely earn a lot of money as long as the first fight entertained the fans. It's not new IMO, why would a boxer does not want a rematch if he believes on himself that he can win again. Well, I'm not talking of the loser though because the losers will automatically want a rematch after the fight, for revenge.

Yeah, still hanging on the balance, I thought that they have settled who is going to cover and everything. But this time it's the rematch clause and it shows that Al Haymon doesn't want to give control to GBP in the rematch.

And suddenly, the negotiations turn ugly now, I just do hope that they will keep quiet on it and not let the public knows what's going behind close door. So that they can work it out first instead of going to media which might fuel for either side not to push for it.

The "rematch clause" is holding this fight back and if they can't agree on it then this fight might not happen at least this April 15. I think there will only be a rematch if Davis is defeated as he is the current champion so it's just fair that Golden Boy Promotion will handle the second if ever that happens so yeah that Al Haymon is killing this fight on paper once again.

Things are still not finalized despite the date and the team's trying to make it happen. It's all because the promotion wants to make more money on tickets the fight will not happen.  This thread already is long enough to have more than 20 pages of discussion and all for nothing. 

It's not exciting anymore to watch a fight from 10 meters away. I still doubt they will need a big venue for this. Fans today will prefer to just watch a replay on youtube.

Easily match the revenue? Ticket prices would need to sell for x7 the amount that they usually do and you think that is fair? You think that is fair to all the fans that need to travel and book accommodation? They will lose money if they increase it by that amount and I do not think we as the fans should allow the promoters to get away with it because they want to make more money for themselves. If this fight happens which it probably will not it needs to the in the biggest venue possible it is a mega fight and one of the best in the division.

At least Canelo is being honest and chill despite his past issues and differences with Ryan. With regards to the venue, a stadium might be cool to cater to more audiences but the organizers might opt for smaller, easier-to-manage, and boxing-proven venues like the MGM. They can easily match the gate revenue by increasing the price of the tickets. There are a lot of rich people regularly traveling to Vegas.

But the main issue right now is who will promote and what network will telecast if a rematch clause is activated. I cannot believe they are confident that this fight is happening yet this one which is very important is not yet agreed upon earlier. PBC showing its toxicity in boxing once again. Al Hymen is greedy once again despite his fighter being clearly the favorite. Obviously, GBP and DAZN should be the ones handling if ever a rematch is happening.

ALL big fights should have a rematch clause even if the favorite wins because these are big fights and while the champion might be the best 1 night he might not be the best on both nights. That sets up a trilogy which the fans will enjoy and the promoters will make a lot of money from it. I am sorry but Tank refusing a rematch clause is ducking Garcia. He knows Garcia would have wanted the rematch clause and this is just a easy way to avoid the fight. I think Garcia wants this fight and deserves the rematch clause. Tank is ducking.

I don't like the sounds of it, when we thought that everything is set in, now comes another snag, yeah, everyone wanted to get advantage of each other, and it just a testament how brutal his business is for boxers and promoters.

I agree that it is somewhat unfair for Ryan and it seems they are not giving him any options for this fight. And if this fight not going to happen, they are going to put all the blame for Ryan, so it's very tough and lose-lose situation for him.

See this is the ugly truth about these promoters thing, not only does the boxers have conflict of interest sometimes, but with the promoters, it makes things complicated. Well, business as usual.
In this situation, Ryan can always opt to just walk away and forget this match if the other camp insists what they want and still being the fans favorite that'll make money as huge as this match with another opponent. This is indeed somehow unfair for Ryan's camp.
Nevertheless, what the article says is accurate. Hope this will not going to turn out to a be Crawford-Spence 2.0 LOL!

In any case, it appears that this superfight might be cancelled because of a disagreement on the rematch clause. I reckon that it would be unfair for Ryan Garcia to not have a rematch clause if he loses the fight. What if King Ry loses only through a decision after a fight that is very close that can also be argued that King Ry won? I am shaking my head on this.



Negotiations for the April 15th Gervonta ‘Tank’ Davis vs. Ryan Garcia mega-fight have hit a snag over the rematch clause for the fight. The Tank-Ryan fight is now in jeopardy, with a chance that it won’t happen unless one of the two sides gives in.

It is an easily solvable issue if you’re on Ryan Garcia’s side.  The rematch clause only comes into play if he wins, which some would say is highly improbable.

The clause is a one-sided one that can only be activated by Tank Davis (28-0, 26 KOs); his side management at PBC & network, Showtime, wants to be the lead promoter in the rematch if he loses to Ryan and chooses to activate it.

They’re already the lead promoters for the April 15th fight, but they want to continue to be for the rematch, even though it would only be activated if their fighter lost.

Source https://www.boxingnews24.com/2023/02/gervonta-davis-vs-ryan-garcia-negotiations-stalled-over-dispute-about-rematch-clause/

And with that, Goosen is now his trainer, and If I'm not mistaken, he used to train Garcia way before and him and his family knows each other very wall and so it makes sense for him to go back to where he started everything and it seems the marriage is just about right as Garcia has been winning fights since he left Eddy Reynoso's camp.

I guess you can't blame him, maybe Garcia just wanted more time from his trainer. However, we all know that Reynoso is just focused on Canelo, he is making big money from him, not just he is a trainer, I think he is also an advisor to Canelo as well.

And so kudos to coach Roach, who at still this time is still training very high caliber fighters after Manny Pacquiao is done with the sports. But obviously, no one can follow Manny's footsteps as he is the best prize pupil by Roach.

It is a problem when your trainer is training other people. I think Tyson Fury has had a trainer that is dedicated to him and that is why he is world champ. Garcia needs to fine someone who can believe in his ability and sign a exclusive contract with him so that he cannot train anyone else. Garcia has enough money to pay someone to do this and he has many years ahead of him so I think that this could be something that trainers are interested in doing.