[Boxing] Tank Davis vs. Ryan Garcia betting and discussion (May, 2023) - page 34.

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Quote from: AverageGlabella on February 01, 2023, 08:32:12 PM

Quote from: Baofeng on February 01, 2023, 05:14:16 PM

As for the venue, they are talking about 3 possibilities, (a) MGM Grand Garden Arena, (b) T Mobile Arena, and (c) Allegiant Stadium.

So they are all in Las Vegas, the gambling capital so expect a lot of money going to flow not only in this fight, but in the casino's surrounding it. There has hasn't been a boxing event in Allegiant Stadium, the home of Las Vegas Raiders who reported to have a sitting capacity of 70,000.

MGM has 20,000 and T Mobile Arena 17,000 sitting capacity.

So let's wait till the final contract has been signed and if they are looking to sit more boxing fans, Allegiant Stadium might be the good choice here.

Allegiant Stadium would be my choice this is a big event and you want as many people filling the seats. I am not sure if they could sell out a stadium that big but a 17000 capacity stadium or a 20000 is to small imo. MGM would be the 2nd choice because it is larger then the t mobile one. Allegiant Stadium would be historic though if it is true that no boxing fight has been hosted there before.

Right, it's better to get a bigger stadium to fill all the fans instead of smaller venues like MGM or T-Mobile, although this two has been the staples for fights in Las Vegas for the last couple of years. But it won't hurt to insert a huge Allegiant Stadium in this magnitude of a fight. Although there are no official belts in the line, but both are two of the hottest boxers are far as drawing crowds. And it will be huge money if they can fill they 70,000 capacity and could set a precedence in Las Vegas.

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Quote from: TravelMug on February 01, 2023, 08:48:49 PM

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Quote from: Baofeng on February 01, 2023, 05:14:16 PM

As for the venue, they are talking about 3 possibilities, (a) MGM Grand Garden Arena, (b) T Mobile Arena, and (c) Allegiant Stadium.

So they are all in Las Vegas, the gambling capital so expect a lot of money going to flow not only in this fight, but in the casino's surrounding it. There has hasn't been a boxing event in Allegiant Stadium, the home of Las Vegas Raiders who reported to have a sitting capacity of 70,000.

MGM has 20,000 and T Mobile Arena 17,000 sitting capacity.

So let's wait till the final contract has been signed and if they are looking to sit more boxing fans, Allegiant Stadium might be the good choice here.

Allegiant Stadium would be my choice this is a big event and you want as many people filling the seats. I am not sure if they could sell out a stadium that big but a 17000 capacity stadium or a 20000 is to small imo. MGM would be the 2nd choice because it is larger then the t mobile one. Allegiant Stadium would be historic though if it is true that no boxing fight has been hosted there before.

Yeah, with the hype surrounding this fight, both promotional companies should look for more seating sits for their fans.

Who knows, maybe they can fill that 70k sits and that will be one of the biggest boxing match as far as watching fans are in the arena. However, they seems to be still in negotiations here as far I understand.

So definitely, all our doubts will be gone once there is an official announcement.

Top 3 capacities ever if they fill the stadium out. I do not think they will but Garcia does bring a lot of the younger audience in which is always good for crowds because they will bring friends that are not die hard boxing fans just to drink and have fun. Tank is only appreciated by boxing fans he is not a social media star like Garcia who has made friends with Jake Paul and has expanded his reach because of that. I just think a 70k stadium without filling it up is better then filling a 17000 or 20000 stadium. 40000 fans in a 70000 stadium will make more noise and it will bring in more money. It would make history too

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Quote from: AverageGlabella on February 01, 2023, 08:32:12 PM

Quote from: Baofeng on February 01, 2023, 05:14:16 PM

As for the venue, they are talking about 3 possibilities, (a) MGM Grand Garden Arena, (b) T Mobile Arena, and (c) Allegiant Stadium.

So they are all in Las Vegas, the gambling capital so expect a lot of money going to flow not only in this fight, but in the casino's surrounding it. There has hasn't been a boxing event in Allegiant Stadium, the home of Las Vegas Raiders who reported to have a sitting capacity of 70,000.

MGM has 20,000 and T Mobile Arena 17,000 sitting capacity.

So let's wait till the final contract has been signed and if they are looking to sit more boxing fans, Allegiant Stadium might be the good choice here.

Allegiant Stadium would be my choice this is a big event and you want as many people filling the seats. I am not sure if they could sell out a stadium that big but a 17000 capacity stadium or a 20000 is to small imo. MGM would be the 2nd choice because it is larger then the t mobile one. Allegiant Stadium would be historic though if it is true that no boxing fight has been hosted there before.

Yeah, with the hype surrounding this fight, both promotional companies should look for more seating sits for their fans.

Who knows, maybe they can fill that 70k sits and that will be one of the biggest boxing match as far as watching fans are in the arena. However, they seems to be still in negotiations here as far I understand.

So definitely, all our doubts will be gone once there is an official announcement.

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Quote from: Baofeng on February 01, 2023, 05:14:16 PM

As for the venue, they are talking about 3 possibilities, (a) MGM Grand Garden Arena, (b) T Mobile Arena, and (c) Allegiant Stadium.

So they are all in Las Vegas, the gambling capital so expect a lot of money going to flow not only in this fight, but in the casino's surrounding it. There has hasn't been a boxing event in Allegiant Stadium, the home of Las Vegas Raiders who reported to have a sitting capacity of 70,000.

MGM has 20,000 and T Mobile Arena 17,000 sitting capacity.

So let's wait till the final contract has been signed and if they are looking to sit more boxing fans, Allegiant Stadium might be the good choice here.

Allegiant Stadium would be my choice this is a big event and you want as many people filling the seats. I am not sure if they could sell out a stadium that big but a 17000 capacity stadium or a 20000 is to small imo. MGM would be the 2nd choice because it is larger then the t mobile one. Allegiant Stadium would be historic though if it is true that no boxing fight has been hosted there before.

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As for the venue, they are talking about 3 possibilities, (a) MGM Grand Garden Arena, (b) T Mobile Arena, and (c) Allegiant Stadium.

So they are all in Las Vegas, the gambling capital so expect a lot of money going to flow not only in this fight, but in the casino's surrounding it. There has hasn't been a boxing event in Allegiant Stadium, the home of Las Vegas Raiders who reported to have a sitting capacity of 70,000.

MGM has 20,000 and T Mobile Arena 17,000 sitting capacity.

So let's wait till the final contract has been signed and if they are looking to sit more boxing fans, Allegiant Stadium might be the good choice here.

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Quote from: LUCKMCFLY on January 30, 2023, 09:08:42 PM

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When it comes to defense, I'll go with tank davis. His footwork is so good that he dodged a lot of punches from his last fight between him and hector garcia. His punch is so powerful that bigger opponents can't take the damage in their body. I don't know if Ryan has a body that can take the punch of Tank but he is an orthodox fighter and he has a crazy fast hooks and jabs. He dropped Javier Fortuna with his crazy jabs. The hook of King Ryan is also powerful so we should expect that we can see hooks vs hooks between him and Tank.

Well, I can't deny that Tank Davis has a physique that supports him a lot, especially when it comes to defending himself and even resisting goals, it's something that he has like armor, it's not bad, and in part this could be an impediment for Garcia It is also as you say, his technique is rudimentary, like the combination of the old school and new things that are only his own style, now, if we are going to see García's style, he may be preparing For this, I believe a lot in Garcá's strategy, he is an intelligent boxer, and he must know what his own capacity is and how his strategy should be so that he can come out victorious.

Yes, I'll go with Davis as well as it's a wiser move rather than siding with Ryan Garcia. This doesn't mean that I'm underestimating the latter but we are here talking and speculating about their upcoming fight. We all know that Ryan Garcia got no experience about fighting heavy names as of now because he had to be in a back-to-back tune-up fight so that he can regain himself after the Campbell fight where his weakness was revealed.

And speaking about weakness, Garcia will have a hard time finding Tank's because that's still a mystery until now and it seems that he got a good armor equipped on his body which give him another upper hand.

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Quote from: KnightElite on January 15, 2023, 12:06:17 AM

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There is someone who I have always said, boxing, despite the fact that it has a lot to do with physicality, can be won but obtaining a lot of intelligence, and I have known that for a long time, and here in the forum they have let me know, nothing else I can do Name a fairly intelligent boxer like Mayweather, the day he fought Pacquiao, I didn't like that fight because I knew he was running all over the ring and Pacquiao was just looking for him, 'Mayweather only fought in a very technical way and That made him win, even though for me it was the worst fight in the world, years later I came to understand that Mayeweather knew that his best option was not a hand-to-hand confrontation, because he might have lost, but on a technical level he had the advantage .

Aside from Mayweather's advantage when it comes to technicalities, he also got a good defense that enables him to create a counter punch every time that he's engaged. The fact that he mastered the Philly Shell makes him already an intelligent boxer, and I think that's what makes Devin Haney to practice under Mayweather even if he's not under his promotional banner.

And I agree, that fight was even dubbed as a fight of the century but what we saw was not really enticing and that the fight labeled like that was somehow inappropriate. People wanted an all-out fight and if that happened, Pacquiao will surely win but Mayweather was clever enough to despite the pressure around him.

Haney has that defensive skills as well, might not look very polished as like the Mayweather because you have to understand that his uncle Roger was one of the first to used this Philly Shell that was pass on Floyd by his uncle and his father trainer, so we could say that he perfect this defensive stance that others just wanted to copy from him but failed. So for sure Tank knows this from Floyd himself when he was under his promotional company and we can see some of it on his stance in his last couple of fights.

No doubt about that, Tank Davis surely learned a thing or two when he was still under Floyd Mayweather's promotional company that's why he saw some instances that Tank used the said stance in his previous fights. Also, Philly Shell is indeed a vicious defense and a kind of stance that allows the boxer to create such good counter that will shake their opponent or worse, knock them out because it's known for its unpredictability.

When it comes to defense, I'll go with tank davis. His footwork is so good that he dodged a lot of punches from his last fight between him and hector garcia. His punch is so powerful that bigger opponents can't take the damage in their body. I don't know if Ryan has a body that can take the punch of Tank but he is an orthodox fighter and he has a crazy fast hooks and jabs. He dropped Javier Fortuna with his crazy jabs. The hook of King Ryan is also powerful so we should expect that we can see hooks vs hooks between him and Tank.

Well, I can't deny that Tank Davis has a physique that supports him a lot, especially when it comes to defending himself and even resisting goals, it's something that he has like armor, it's not bad, and in part this could be an impediment for Garcia It is also as you say, his technique is rudimentary, like the combination of the old school and new things that are only his own style, now, if we are going to see García's style, he may be preparing For this, I believe a lot in Garcá's strategy, he is an intelligent boxer, and he must know what his own capacity is and how his strategy should be so that he can come out victorious.

Interesting Info:

Bernard Hopkins compliments Gervonta Davis for leaving Floyd Mayweather

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Bernard Hopkins has heaped praise on Gervonta Davis for putting his career first and seeking a move away from Floyd Mayweather.

The former two weight world champion, one of boxing’s finest ever fighters, holds a lofty position within Golden Boy Promotions and it’s likely he’ll have a front row seat for Davis’ likely April meeting with Ryan Garcia.

The fascinating 135lbs clash is one of the biggest fights that can be made in boxing and it’s possible we could get to see the contest in the first third of 2023.

Source: https://www.dazn.com/en-US/news/boxing/bernard-hopkins-compliments-gervonta-davis-for-leaving-floyd-mayweather/5qpnqqgvp1lx1lvqhx9r7nmmw

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Quote from: LogitechMouse on January 30, 2023, 08:22:45 AM

Quote from: TimeTeller on January 30, 2023, 07:53:45 AM

As of now, bookies are favoring Davis to win this fight.
I have the feeling that Davis will indeed beat Garcia on this one.
If Garcia has proceeded his tune-up fight, he should have known his level of preparation.
But anyway, that's his stand so let us see if he has a good chance on Davis.
Both names are popular among the boxing fans so no wonder this is a sold-out event.

A counter puncher against a counter puncher.
Garcia has the height and reach advantage, but it's useless against a counter puncher and a sneaky Tank Davis.

Too many fights to wait this year. Tank Davis vs. Garcia, Crawford Vs. Spence, Fury Vs. Usyk and maybe Bivol Vs. Beterbiev (if it happens). For sure many boxing fans around the world will be happy and they'll spend just to watch these "fight of the year" or even "fight of the decade" candidate fights.

As for this fight, I'm also rooting on Davis on this one, but it's anybody's fight. One wrong move on either one of them can be their end. Both of them are good counter punchers so it's hard to know who will win on this one. Both has a high KO rate as well. Can we see Garcia utilizing his reach advantage here and will throw more jabs? Cheesy

A height advantage cannot be useless when you utilize and take advantage of it perfectly. As for Garcia, he will never have a hard time using his height advantage as he has speed and agility. If you see how Ugas used his against Manny, that would be a good example how Garcia will win against Davis.
Most likely, Garcia will use it as his main advantage, since Davis is also a dangerous fighter. He's not gonna let his guard down and be more cautious, and yeah of course score with those jabs.

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Why the hate on Ryan Garcia? He is a prospect that is aiming to become a great and challenging Tank Davis why he is still in his prime and one of the best to be in this division of all time you have to give respect for Ryan for putting his record at risk just to fight Tank at his prime. He could wait until he gets older and make it easier for him but he is doing it as the most difficult time. If he can win then he puts himself up there for the next couple of years imo

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Winding down.

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But let's see first what the first fight will bring, maybe it could be just one sided and end in less than 10 rounds and someone getting his ass knock out for good that he doesn't want to have a rematch.

In that case then there's no trilogy anymore, maybe a rematch but I'm sure it will have the same outcome since the first fight was already obvious it's just a one-sided fight. If they'll make a controversial decision in the first fight like what happened to Wilder vs Fury fight where the first fight was declared as a draw, then there are still 2 fights where Fury has dominated the KO artist.

That is if one of them wanted this fight to make controversial and give this fight a draw without any unspoken words, but I guess not. I mean, I'd understand if Ryan Garcia will say yes for a draw because GBP is his promoter and that's a good way to make decent big money into their first bout but Tank Davis? I don't think so. Tank got pride and won't say yes for things like these as I think his next stop will be the undisputed boxer.

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Quote from: Kelvinid on January 30, 2023, 06:40:12 AM

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4. The first fight sold out which gives huge income to the industry.

A rematch clause is legal, it's in the contract but I don't think it will have a condition that a fight has to be sold out in order to have a rematch. in the first place, they don't know the outcome of the first match in terms of revenue before that rematch clause in the contract is signed.

It is business so when a fight sold out, the industry will definitely see that fans loves the match so they will see for the possible chance of a rematch. It may not be the condition but it is rational for a business to do what made them a huge profit thus, a rematch to trilogy might happen. That is one of the condition that might trigger a possible rematch or a trilogy, there is no way I say that it is the requirement.

Quote from: LogitechMouse on January 30, 2023, 08:22:45 AM

Can we see Garcia utilizing his reach advantage here and will throw more jabs? Cheesy

Ryan Garcia had been boasting about his size and reach, so it is very likely to see him using his reach advantage against Davis, utilizing jabs and straight.

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And this is what Oscar says recently,

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“I’m going to say one hundred percent,” De La Hoya stated of his belief that Davis-Garcia makes its way to the boxing calendar sooner rather than later.”

“We sent the contract back. We made the changes,” noted De La Hoya. “We’re just waiting back for an answer but I feel very optimistic the it’s going to happen.”

https://www.boxingscene.com/de-la-hoya-one-hundred-percent-certain-on-delivering-davis-garcia--172142

Let's assume that this fight is really going to happened and delivered April-May to us. And hopefully once everything is good, either Oscar or PBC will have to announce to the public.

@bittraffic - yeah, most of the predictions point to Tank, but this is going to be a good fight for sure, whoever wins could be moving to 140 lbs though.

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Quote from: LogitechMouse on January 30, 2023, 08:22:45 AM

Can we see Garcia utilizing his reach advantage here and will throw more jabs? Cheesy

Maybe. That's one way for him to win by just keeping his jabs and opening the defense of Tank. This is where Ryan's fast hand can quickly get to him but like you said it's just one hit that can make a difference. A boxer like Tank however can close the gap and throw one blow also.
Both of them are ferocious.

I have been watching podcast and prediction and mostly favors Tank they were saying because the mental pressure is on Ryan.

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Quote from: TimeTeller on January 30, 2023, 07:53:45 AM

As of now, bookies are favoring Davis to win this fight.
I have the feeling that Davis will indeed beat Garcia on this one.
If Garcia has proceeded his tune-up fight, he should have known his level of preparation.
But anyway, that's his stand so let us see if he has a good chance on Davis.
Both names are popular among the boxing fans so no wonder this is a sold-out event.

A counter puncher against a counter puncher.
Garcia has the height and reach advantage, but it's useless against a counter puncher and a sneaky Tank Davis.

Too many fights to wait this year. Tank Davis vs. Garcia, Crawford Vs. Spence, Fury Vs. Usyk and maybe Bivol Vs. Beterbiev (if it happens). For sure many boxing fans around the world will be happy and they'll spend just to watch these "fight of the year" or even "fight of the decade" candidate fights.

As for this fight, I'm also rooting on Davis on this one, but it's anybody's fight. One wrong move on either one of them can be their end. Both of them are good counter punchers so it's hard to know who will win on this one. Both has a high KO rate as well. Can we see Garcia utilizing his reach advantage here and will throw more jabs? Cheesy

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Quote from: Distinctin on January 30, 2023, 07:48:03 AM

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4. The first fight sold out which gives huge income to the industry.

A rematch clause is legal, it's in the contract but I don't think it will have a condition that a fight has to be sold out in order to have a rematch. in the first place, they don't know the outcome of the first match in terms of revenue before that rematch clause in the contract is signed.

I agree the revenue has nothing to do with a rematch there is a rematch that is not considered a blockbuster and sometimes they become a co-main event or support the event, even if the match is dominated by a challenger the former champion can opt for a rematch if there is a rematch in the contract.
Whether one fighter was knocked out by the other fighter as long as the rematch is in the contract, and the other party triggers a rematch it should happen.

No need to worry about the revenue as before this fight was finalized, we already knew that Tank Davis vs Ryan Garcia fights will be a sold-out fight. Who would not watch this fight, these two are champions and very popular now, they will miss half of their lives if they will not watch this. If there's a rematch clause, both fighters are required to fight as promoters could sue them if they will mess out with the contract.

As of now, bookies are favoring Davis to win this fight.
I have the feeling that Davis will indeed beat Garcia on this one.
If Garcia has proceeded his tune-up fight, he should have known his level of preparation.
But anyway, that's his stand so let us see if he has a good chance on Davis.
Both names are popular among the boxing fans so no wonder this is a sold-out event.

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4. The first fight sold out which gives huge income to the industry.

A rematch clause is legal, it's in the contract but I don't think it will have a condition that a fight has to be sold out in order to have a rematch. in the first place, they don't know the outcome of the first match in terms of revenue before that rematch clause in the contract is signed.

I agree the revenue has nothing to do with a rematch there is a rematch that is not considered a blockbuster and sometimes they become a co-main event or support the event, even if the match is dominated by a challenger the former champion can opt for a rematch if there is a rematch in the contract.
Whether one fighter was knocked out by the other fighter as long as the rematch is in the contract, and the other party triggers a rematch it should happen.

No need to worry about the revenue as before this fight was finalized, we already knew that Tank Davis vs Ryan Garcia fights will be a sold-out fight. Who would not watch this fight, these two are champions and very popular now, they will miss half of their lives if they will not watch this. If there's a rematch clause, both fighters are required to fight as promoters could sue them if they will mess out with the contract.

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Quote from: Kelvinid on January 30, 2023, 06:40:12 AM

Quote from: BitcoinPanther on January 30, 2023, 05:20:24 AM

4. The first fight sold out which gives huge income to the industry.

A rematch clause is legal, it's in the contract but I don't think it will have a condition that a fight has to be sold out in order to have a rematch. in the first place, they don't know the outcome of the first match in terms of revenue before that rematch clause in the contract is signed.

I agree the revenue has nothing to do with a rematch there is a rematch that is not considered a blockbuster and sometimes they become a co-main event or support the event, even if the match is dominated by a challenger the former champion can opt for a rematch if there is a rematch in the contract.
Whether one fighter was knocked out by the other fighter as long as the rematch is in the contract, and the other party triggers a rematch it should happen.

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Quote from: BitcoinPanther on January 30, 2023, 05:20:24 AM

4. The first fight sold out which gives huge income to the industry.

A rematch clause is legal, it's in the contract but I don't think it will have a condition that a fight has to be sold out in order to have a rematch. in the first place, they don't know the outcome of the first match in terms of revenue before that rematch clause in the contract is signed.

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Quote from: Vaculin on January 30, 2023, 05:12:54 AM

BGP is quite wise for thinking that this could be another trilogy in the history that will collect hundreds of millions of revenues combined, but he shouldn't forget that the boxers involved in this bout are still young enough for this trilogy. What they need is a good beating to keep their names floating in hype and their values will increased as well. And I agree, this will not last long enough.

As far as I know trilogy might happen when..

1. A rematch clause is written on the contract
2. The fight is close enough that resulted in a draw
3. The fight is close enough that the decision becomes a controversy since the loser's fans thinks that their boxer should have won.
4. The first fight sold out which gives huge income to the industry.
5. The fans can't get enough of the action.

Among these I think point 1 and 4 would likely trigger a rematch that can lead to a trilogy.

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Winding down.

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But let's see first what the first fight will bring, maybe it could be just one sided and end in less than 10 rounds and someone getting his ass knock out for good that he doesn't want to have a rematch.

In that case then there's no trilogy anymore, maybe a rematch but I'm sure it will have the same outcome since the first fight was already obvious it's just a one-sided fight. If they'll make a controversial decision in the first fight like what happened to Wilder vs Fury fight where the first fight was declared as a draw, then there are still 2 fights where Fury has dominated the KO artist.

That would be the nearest scenario for them to make the trilogy into a reality, that is if there will be a draw in their first bout but that's highly unlikely considering that both of them is a knockout artist and neither one of them is also willing to make the fight draw or take a defeat, by the looks of it, Ryan Garcia especially Tank Davis wanted a one-sided fight so that they can move-on towards other boxers.

Both wanted a one side beating, so that it will be over and the winner gets the respect and the bragging rights. But who knows, if they move to 140 lbs maybe they will have to fight again in the future. They are still very young and maybe 5+ years still in their career so a lot of things can happen.

And with that youth on their side, I agree that we might not need a rematch after all. They will go at it, and try to score a knock out win. With that, majority of us knows that this might not last 12 rounds.

BGP is quite wise for thinking that this could be another trilogy in the history that will collect hundreds of millions of revenues combined, but he shouldn't forget that the boxers involved in this bout are still young enough for this trilogy. What they need is a good beating to keep their names floating in hype and their values will increased as well. And I agree, this will not last long enough.

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