[Boxing]: Vasiliy Lomachenko vs Jamaine Ortiz - October 29

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Quote from: bisdak40 on October 30, 2022, 07:29:14 AM

Quote from: Russlenat on October 30, 2022, 06:58:20 AM

I like the outcome of the fight, though it's expected that Loma would win the fight but what we all witnessed was obviously a very entertaining fight. Loma this fight via unanimous decision, so for sure he is ready to face Haney, we can expect this big fight early next year as both fighters are really eager to fight each other.

Though Loma wasn't at his best but still we were able to witness an amazing performance which I think was enough for him to face Haney next year if things will be sorted out right like whose gonna have the bigger slice of the pie. Ortiz was a live underdog and for sure his future is bright if he continues and improve his fighting style.

Quote from: Russlenat on October 30, 2022, 06:58:20 AM

Congrats Loma and bettors by the way, what was the odds for Loma winning via decision?

Loma to win by decision was 1.88 while 1.96 for KO, almost even.

Lost my bet but as i thought that Loma will KO Ortiz but the 10 month layoff may have affected his performance today but no regret, it was still a good fight for Loma.

Yes, he might have been affected by his long layoff, or it is Ortiz is that good that Loma can't executed his game plan into perfection. And as I have said, Ortiz is very big at this division, you can see the difference when they clinch. And as gamblers, sometimes we win sometimes we lost, no regrets for us.

And with that said, I'm going to lock this thread for good.

Loma winning by a tough decision against a young Ortiz.

And hopefully we might see Haney vs Loma as promised by Bob Arum next year.

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Quote from: BitcoinPanther on October 30, 2022, 09:59:32 AM

Yeah, Ortiz earned my respect, if only Ortiz is as precise as Lomachenko, he could have won the fight. Ortiz throws lots of punches but majority of them landed on Loma's gloves and arms if not evaded. Loma's speed is really admiring but somehow Ortiz had it on checked. I do not think Loma is getting old but Ortiz getting better would be a better definition of the fight. Besides, Ortiz could have studied Loma's movement and came up with a strategy to at least give him a chance of going toe to toe with Loma.

He's young and still have a potential to become a best boxer, with just few losses doesn't make his career ruined, actually he need a challenge to fight with a good boxer to become better. In this match we're see a clearly difference about the technical skills between Lomachenko and Ortiz, Ortiz want to dominating by launch more punches but his punches doesn't count for the point since most of them are get blocked by Loma's gloves.

A good fight, I think we will see Lomachenko vs Haney in the next year.

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Vasyl Lomachenko VS Jamaine Ortiz ROUND 12 DECISION - WIN

In the 1st rounds, Jamaine Ortiz was the aggressive one closing in and punching Lomachenko, but suddenly Vasyl Lomachenko, has poured in his domination on the later rounds now that he indeed got the opening he needed that had Jamaine Ortiz struggling, and now Lomachenko has the upper hand, I really think this was a set up for Vasyl Lomachenko to face Devin Haney, Well I really feel sorry for Jamaine Ortiz he is just a stepping stone for Lomachenko to get to Devin Haney, and with this set up his next opponent might be Devin Haney, for sure,

Now that the Lomachenko VS Ortiz fight was settled next big fight this year will be the Dmitry Bivol vs. Gilberto Ramirez fights on November 5, which I am really hyped up, then Tyson Fury vs. Derek Chisora and Juan Francisco Estrada vs. Roman "Chocolatito" Gonzalez that is both on December 3, and lastly Terence Crawford vs. David Avanesyan that will be on December 10,

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Quote from: TopTort777 on October 30, 2022, 09:42:29 AM

I have expected that fight to be more easy for Lomachenko. But Ortiz gave him good fight. Ortiz was good on early rounds. I would say that he even won first rounds. Lomachenko either he is getting old, or he was not prepared as good as usually, or Ortiz is good. Few years ago Loma would crack the nut called Ortiz in 6-8 round.

Yeah, Ortiz earned my respect, if only Ortiz is as precise as Lomachenko, he could have won the fight. Ortiz throws lots of punches but majority of them landed on Loma's gloves and arms if not evaded. Loma's speed is really admiring but somehow Ortiz had it on checked. I do not think Loma is getting old but Ortiz getting better would be a better definition of the fight. Besides, Ortiz could have studied Loma's movement and came up with a strategy to at least give him a chance of going toe to toe with Loma.

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I have expected that fight to be more easy for Lomachenko. But Ortiz gave him good fight. Ortiz was good on early rounds. I would say that he even won first rounds. Lomachenko either he is getting old, or he was not prepared as good as usually, or Ortiz is good. Few years ago Loma would crack the nut called Ortiz in 6-8 round.

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Quote from: Saisher on October 30, 2022, 08:20:44 AM

Not the dominant Loma that we want to see but he still dominates in the late rounds,

As expected Loma, though started with early rounds of pressure on Ortiz, still started a bit slow. Ortiz could have taken the early 3 rounds but as usual, after all the observation and adjustment, Loma is able to take the majority of the round resulting in a UD win. Though I do not think that the 117-111 is just, the fight is really close.

Quote from: Saisher on October 30, 2022, 08:20:44 AM

because of this fight people doubt if he could beat Haney, but we have to see that happen, Loma also has the speed, the timing, and the power that can match Haney's speed and besides Haney already build his reputation, he can take whoever in the division, he has proven himself over the years his loss against Lopez is because of his shoulder injury that he suffered before the fight.

Loma really has the speed and precision which can be a good skill to counter Haney's defensive style of boxing. Let the fans doubt Loma and let Loma prove them wrong. I think the next milestone for Loma is fighting Haney. And Haney states interest in fighting Lomachenco next.[1]

[1] https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=loma+vs+ortiz+full+fight

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Quote from: bisdak40 on October 30, 2022, 07:29:14 AM

Quote from: Russlenat on October 30, 2022, 06:58:20 AM

I like the outcome of the fight, though it's expected that Loma would win the fight but what we all witnessed was obviously a very entertaining fight. Loma this fight via unanimous decision, so for sure he is ready to face Haney, we can expect this big fight early next year as both fighters are really eager to fight each other.

Though Loma wasn't at his best but still we were able to witness an amazing performance which I think was enough for him to face Haney next year if things will be sorted out right like whose gonna have the bigger slice of the pie. Ortiz was a live underdog and for sure his future is bright if he continues and improve his fighting style.

It was a good tune up fight for him before a big fight, Ortiz was also good but he is not at the level of Loma yet, so he needs to work harder because he will be facing a tougher challenger, a champion that was not yet defeated.

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Congrats Loma and bettors by the way, what was the odds for Loma winning via decision?

Loma to win by decision was 1.88 while 1.96 for KO, almost even.

Lost my bet but as i thought that Loma will KO Ortiz but the 10 month layoff may have affected his performance today but no regret, it was still a good fight for Loma.

Sorry mate but that's okay because it's almost a win because Loma was also able to hurt Ortiz, unfortunately, there's no aggressive follow-up which intention is to bring his opponent down.

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Quote from: robelneo on October 30, 2022, 01:24:09 AM

At least he delivered, a win is still a win, for me, he is still fast and still accurate, and style makes a fight, Ortiz is a tough customer for Loma, the Haney fight should be made after this, we cannot judge Loma that he is not ready every fight is different and Haney and Loma is the top name in the lightweight division, if they agreed to fight then its good for the boxing community, and let them do their thing against each other.
I'm looking forward to both of them signing the deal I hope this will not become a Spence Crawford kind of negotiation.

That's right a win in such kind of fight after a long time of absence still amazing and he got some experience on how he will gonna need to improve his skills in order to have a chance to defeat Haney. I'm glad he won the fight and finally we can see a blockbuster fight between him and Haney. Also I hope the negotiations will be easy this time.

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Quote from: Saisher on October 30, 2022, 08:20:44 AM

Not the dominant Loma that we want to see but he still dominates in the late rounds, because of this fight people doubt if he could beat Haney, but we have to see that happen, Loma also has the speed, the timing, and the power that can match Haney's speed and besides Haney already build his reputation, he can take whoever in the division, he has proven himself over the years his loss against Lopez is because of his shoulder injury that he suffered before the fight.

It because Ortiz also did try his best to upset Loma, that early rounds exchanges of punches he really did great but the IQ of Loma and that speed throwing a combination gives him the advantage, People around this sport especially those who are waiting for Loma to challenge Haney will still continue to show interest, both fighters have good IQ it will be the executions of their strategy that will give them the win.

Both sides for me have good advantage, more on how they will really adjust in each strategy, experienced wise both are good

offensively and defensively, it will be hard to predict who's going to have an upper hand between the two.

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Not the dominant Loma that we want to see but he still dominates in the late rounds, because of this fight people doubt if he could beat Haney, but we have to see that happen, Loma also has the speed, the timing, and the power that can match Haney's speed and besides Haney already build his reputation, he can take whoever in the division, he has proven himself over the years his loss against Lopez is because of his shoulder injury that he suffered before the fight.

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Quote from: bisdak40 on October 30, 2022, 07:29:14 AM

Loma to win by decision was 1.88 while 1.96 for KO, almost even.

Lost my bet but as i thought that Loma will KO Ortiz but the 10 month layoff may have affected his performance today but no regret, it was still a good fight for Loma.

Still a good odds but Loma seem not too aggressive in the fight although he was already in control, maybe he was just trying to play safe because he already know that he will win the game. Well, in his next fight, he cannot do that anymore because he will be facing Haney.

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Quote from: Russlenat on October 30, 2022, 06:58:20 AM

I like the outcome of the fight, though it's expected that Loma would win the fight but what we all witnessed was obviously a very entertaining fight. Loma this fight via unanimous decision, so for sure he is ready to face Haney, we can expect this big fight early next year as both fighters are really eager to fight each other.

Though Loma wasn't at his best but still we were able to witness an amazing performance which I think was enough for him to face Haney next year if things will be sorted out right like whose gonna have the bigger slice of the pie. Ortiz was a live underdog and for sure his future is bright if he continues and improve his fighting style.

Quote from: Russlenat on October 30, 2022, 06:58:20 AM

Congrats Loma and bettors by the way, what was the odds for Loma winning via decision?

Loma to win by decision was 1.88 while 1.96 for KO, almost even.

Lost my bet but as i thought that Loma will KO Ortiz but the 10 month layoff may have affected his performance today but no regret, it was still a good fight for Loma.

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I like the outcome of the fight, though it's expected that Loma would win the fight but what we all witnessed was obviously a very entertaining fight. Loma this fight via unanimous decision, so for sure he is ready to face Haney, we can expect this big fight early next year as both fighters are really eager to fight each other. Congrats Loma and bettors by the way, what was the odds for Loma winning via decision?

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I think for some it's a disappointment to see how the fight turns out to be, but yes, a win is a win and so Loma will take this one, whatever you call it. It's just interesting to see how big Ortiz is, as I have mentioned in the weigh-in, he looks drain but has a good chance to rehydrate and I think he did here. Probably there is no rehydration clause that he could easily be gaining back some fluids in his body. Ortiz might have won some early rounds but Loma took over the latter rounds for me so I don't see any robbery here.

So Haney is watching in the background and he might be the obvious fight for Loma next year.

And hopefully though, Loma should step up, let's give him the benefit of the doubt that it could be his long absence from the ring that he seems to have experience the known phenomena of ring rust.

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Quote from: FinneysTrueVision on October 29, 2022, 11:55:55 PM

Quote from: Japinat on October 29, 2022, 12:20:48 PM

Same here then, I'm tailing you guys. Good luck to all the users here who bet in favor of Loma by a KO. There is no better way to end this fight, only a by way of knockout because that will be a sign that he is indeed ready to face the undisputed champion, Devin Haney, next and it will be a good message to Haney that he is indeed back in the industry and will be facing him next.

I was not very impressed by Loma tonight. His performance tonight doesn't convince me in any way that he is ready for Haney. Ortiz gave Loma a lot of problems due to his size and style. Haney is even bigger, has a longer reach, is more athletic and is superior to Ortiz in every way imaginable. I imagine Haney will be a considerable favorite among bettors.

At least he delivered, a win is still a win, for me, he is still fast and still accurate, and style makes a fight, Ortiz is a tough customer for Loma, the Haney fight should be made after this, we cannot judge Loma that he is not ready every fight is different and Haney and Loma is the top name in the lightweight division, if they agreed to fight then its good for the boxing community, and let them do their thing against each other.
I'm looking forward to both of them signing the deal I hope this will not become a Spence Crawford kind of negotiation.

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Quote from: FinneysTrueVision on October 29, 2022, 11:55:55 PM

Quote from: Japinat on October 29, 2022, 12:20:48 PM

Same here then, I'm tailing you guys. Good luck to all the users here who bet in favor of Loma by a KO. There is no better way to end this fight, only a by way of knockout because that will be a sign that he is indeed ready to face the undisputed champion, Devin Haney, next and it will be a good message to Haney that he is indeed back in the industry and will be facing him next.

I was not very impressed by Loma tonight. His performance tonight doesn't convince me in any way that he is ready for Haney. Ortiz gave Loma a lot of problems due to his size and style. Haney is even bigger, has a longer reach, is more athletic and is superior to Ortiz in every way imaginable. I imagine Haney will be a considerable favorite among bettors.

Same here, it seems that he just went and age a lot in this fight. No angles at all and he got hit a lot in my opinion. Ortiz though look big at 135 and maybe that's what make it a very difficult fight for Loma. There are a lot of close rounds as well that can go either way.

In this version of Loma, I think Haney will just smash him with his long jabs and his timing.

For sure, if the fight is going to be made next, I think Haney might take the betting odd favorite.

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Quote from: Japinat on October 29, 2022, 12:20:48 PM

Same here then, I'm tailing you guys. Good luck to all the users here who bet in favor of Loma by a KO. There is no better way to end this fight, only a by way of knockout because that will be a sign that he is indeed ready to face the undisputed champion, Devin Haney, next and it will be a good message to Haney that he is indeed back in the industry and will be facing him next.

I was not very impressed by Loma tonight. His performance tonight doesn't convince me in any way that he is ready for Haney. Ortiz gave Loma a lot of problems due to his size and style. Haney is even bigger, has a longer reach, is more athletic and is superior to Ortiz in every way imaginable. I imagine Haney will be a considerable favorite among bettors.

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It is interesting because he will expect to entertain his fans once more, most are expecting that it will going to be an easy fight for
him and he will be finishing Ortiz with his classic fighting style.

There are lot of opinions about his next step, but all will be concluded after the result of this comeback fight.

I hope he will not fail our expectations, I think this fight is just like a tune up fight before a big fight, just like what Ryan Garcia did when he comes back to boxing. Well, we know how technical Lomachenko is, if he will use that effectively in this fight, it should be easy for him, however, we might not see a KO if Ortiz won't be desperate enough to KO Lomachenko.

Ryan Garcia's situation is somehow different to Lomachenko because Ryan fought an unknown local boxer named Tagoe and Fortuna who is already a veteran that has nothing to lose, the latter is fighting an aspiring boxing superstar with a clean undefeated record. What I'm trying to say is that Ortiz might be an underrated boxer in our eyes but let's now lose our vision here because Lopez also had that situation before he defeated Loma.

If I understand your point and it is totally valid, for many here the clear winner is Loma, that is obvious, but we cannot forget the preparation that Ortiz gave himself, we know that he will not come out as a guinea pig, he is already a boxer who knows what he wants and he will go for it, for me this boxer can give us a surprise, I would not trust Loma's case, sometimes when someone says that he is weak or that he is not at my level, we do not know what they can come up with And the worst thing is that they surprise us in the middle of the act, because that is something that will be recorded for life and will be an example for those highly overrated boxers over the underrated ones.

Well Loma has it clear:

Vasiliy Lomachenko: After Jamaine Ortiz fight, I’ll go back to Ukraine and support my country

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“I just wanted to bring a bit of sports attention to our country. And Saturday, which is Sunday morning in Ukraine, I want the people to change their mind towards good emotions.”

“Sparring [against Ortiz] is different from competition because our conditioning is not at 100 percent, so Saturday night will be a very interesting fight. I’m focused on my job. I’m focused on my boxing. You can’t stop thinking about your country. It’s always on your mind. But now I’m focused, and I need to be focused because I’m an athlete. After the fight, I’ll go back to Ukraine and support my country.”

Source: https://www.fightmag.com.au/2022/10/28/vasiliy-lomachenko-after-jamaine-ortiz-fight-ill-go-back-to-ukraine-and-support-my-country/

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^^ Richard Commey might be tehnical for Loma though, but look at how he destroyed him, hehehe. And the thing with Loma is that he has subtle punches that was really awkward, like intentionally punching you in the gloves or just pulling your hands down with his own hands that sometimes his opponents doesn't know how to react and even how technical you are, in this case Ortiz, who is still very young and yet very "technical" already, he might be in this position that he can respond and then Loma catching him off guard and score a knockout win.

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Been in this discussion for quite some time and I haven't read that someone here is Jamaine Ortiz's fans, some are just saying that Ortiz is just too underrated compared for Loma which is true but some also have said that Loma should still take some extra precaution because Ortiz might be the 2nd Teo Lopez that will give him an upset. Well, about that, they truly have a point because Ortiz here is also an undefeated boxer who wanted to be a star someday, so a defeat here is the least he wanted.

Losing to Ortiz in this fight is a very slim possibility because for me Loma is on a mission of reclaiming the belts he once have and i also think that he will never be overconfident on this one and make sure that he will do the job with convincingly as this win will make him the frontrunner to fight Haney for the unified belts.

Though Ortiz is undefeated but his opponent were nobody so and talent-wise, he is not on the same level with Loma and with that being said, i'm betting for Loma to KO Ortiz, just hope that he will not show mercy on his opponent like he did with Richard Commey.

I'm riding this pick, I like to see Loma getting a very impressive win and there's no other way but to dominate Jamaine Ortiz and best if he could KO him. Good thing I was able to see this thread, I almost forgot that this fight will be tomorrow, I should get ready the PPV channel ready then.

Same here then, I'm tailing you guys. Good luck to all the users here who bet in favor of Loma by a KO. There is no better way to end this fight, only a by way of knockout because that will be a sign that he is indeed ready to face the undisputed champion, Devin Haney, next and it will be a good message to Haney that he is indeed back in the industry and will be facing him next.

TBH, this is one risky bet for me because seeing the some highlights of Ortiz, i could say that this guy is a technical fighter, though he is below the talent level of Loma but he may survive the onslaught. Ortiz won't be called the "Technician" for nothing but i think Loma will be too much to handle in the end and he may lose by KO or decision.

The fight will be in a few hours, i hope that someone would post a link here of the fight hehe as to not missed Loma gracefully defeat Ortiz tonight.

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