[Boxing]: Vasiliy Lomachenko vs Jamaine Ortiz - October 29 - page 2.

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Quote from: Japinat on October 29, 2022, 12:20:48 PM

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Been in this discussion for quite some time and I haven't read that someone here is Jamaine Ortiz's fans, some are just saying that Ortiz is just too underrated compared for Loma which is true but some also have said that Loma should still take some extra precaution because Ortiz might be the 2nd Teo Lopez that will give him an upset. Well, about that, they truly have a point because Ortiz here is also an undefeated boxer who wanted to be a star someday, so a defeat here is the least he wanted.

Losing to Ortiz in this fight is a very slim possibility because for me Loma is on a mission of reclaiming the belts he once have and i also think that he will never be overconfident on this one and make sure that he will do the job with convincingly as this win will make him the frontrunner to fight Haney for the unified belts.

Though Ortiz is undefeated but his opponent were nobody so and talent-wise, he is not on the same level with Loma and with that being said, i'm betting for Loma to KO Ortiz, just hope that he will not show mercy on his opponent like he did with Richard Commey.

I'm riding this pick, I like to see Loma getting a very impressive win and there's no other way but to dominate Jamaine Ortiz and best if he could KO him. Good thing I was able to see this thread, I almost forgot that this fight will be tomorrow, I should get ready the PPV channel ready then.

Same here then, I'm tailing you guys. Good luck to all the users here who bet in favor of Loma by a KO. There is no better way to end this fight, only a by way of knockout because that will be a sign that he is indeed ready to face the undisputed champion, Devin Haney, next and it will be a good message to Haney that he is indeed back in the industry and will be facing him next.

It's the best one for fans and gamblers who believe with Loma's capabilities, and it is the best way to finish this fight knowing that he is aiming for the title fight, it will serve as his token for fans and promoters to push and call for the negotiations, best of luck to all you guys, I don't spare for this fight but I also believe that this bet will win.

The spread of ML will not attract interest to gamblers. Better to take this kind of option. It's a win-or-lose pick which adds up good entertainment while waiting for the result.

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Quote from: Ziskinberg on October 29, 2022, 10:59:09 AM

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Been in this discussion for quite some time and I haven't read that someone here is Jamaine Ortiz's fans, some are just saying that Ortiz is just too underrated compared for Loma which is true but some also have said that Loma should still take some extra precaution because Ortiz might be the 2nd Teo Lopez that will give him an upset. Well, about that, they truly have a point because Ortiz here is also an undefeated boxer who wanted to be a star someday, so a defeat here is the least he wanted.

Losing to Ortiz in this fight is a very slim possibility because for me Loma is on a mission of reclaiming the belts he once have and i also think that he will never be overconfident on this one and make sure that he will do the job with convincingly as this win will make him the frontrunner to fight Haney for the unified belts.

Though Ortiz is undefeated but his opponent were nobody so and talent-wise, he is not on the same level with Loma and with that being said, i'm betting for Loma to KO Ortiz, just hope that he will not show mercy on his opponent like he did with Richard Commey.

I'm riding this pick, I like to see Loma getting a very impressive win and there's no other way but to dominate Jamaine Ortiz and best if he could KO him. Good thing I was able to see this thread, I almost forgot that this fight will be tomorrow, I should get ready the PPV channel ready then.

Same here then, I'm tailing you guys. Good luck to all the users here who bet in favor of Loma by a KO. There is no better way to end this fight, only a by way of knockout because that will be a sign that he is indeed ready to face the undisputed champion, Devin Haney, next and it will be a good message to Haney that he is indeed back in the industry and will be facing him next.

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Quote from: TopTort777 on October 29, 2022, 10:56:31 AM

But what about those pictures of Lomachenko on frontline? Fully equiped and with a weapon? Just a picture for mass media, or he really did take some action? I think it is impossible to be in a civilian army and parallel do boxing training, later prepare for a big fight and wont ne nervous on a day fight.

Loma though is not known to hype his fight in the past, specially not now with those pictures of him in military uniform. It is what he does when he go back in his country and just like a regular able body, regardless if you are a boxer or regular farmer, he has to take up arms and defend Ukraine.

So for me he will be more nervous carrying weapons, than having a fight inside a ring with a someone that is not on his level, just saying.

Yes, the fight will be tomorrow night, both within the limit of 135 lbs.

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Here is the official weigh in

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Af2bBsdcx5M

Loma - 134.6 lbs
Ortiz - 134 lbs

Ortiz though looks weight drain, but for sure he will rehydrate after the weigh in. While Loma looks relax and smiling with the press and his fans. And I'm sure majority of us are very excited to see Loma once again and there are a lot of fights waiting for him, Devin Haney or Shakur Stevenson.

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Quote from: TopTort777 on October 29, 2022, 10:56:31 AM

But what about those pictures of Lomachenko on frontline? Fully equiped and with a weapon? Just a picture for mass media, or he really did take some action? I think it is impossible to be in a civilian army and parallel do boxing training, later prepare for a big fight and wont ne nervous on a day fight.

We can only speculate, but if we will look at it, he supposed to fight Kambosos next, but it was cancelled because of the war and he chooses to stay in his country.

So maybe he really did take the uniform and try to defend his native country, similar to Usyk. Perhaps he is still thinking of the war and his family back then that could impact him negatively or make it as a motivation to win against Ortiz.

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This fight is straight-up murder for Jamaine Ortiz, in my opinion, well, I don't really know Ortiz, and I never heard of him, and right now the stake odds for this fight are 1.06 for Vasyl Lomachenko, While 11.00 for Jamaine Ortiz, that is how high the odds for Lomachenko, for me this is just a comeback fight for Lomachenko, this fight is fairly easy for him in my opinion, he is literally just going to eat up the new Jamane Ortiz but this is a big fight for Ortiz, surely an increase of popularity for him, that is why he got this fight, even if he lost he would likely to have his popularity risen, so for this fight that will be starting anytime now, Vasyl Lomanchenko will definitely will win this,

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Quote from: bisdak40 on October 28, 2022, 06:22:08 AM

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Been in this discussion for quite some time and I haven't read that someone here is Jamaine Ortiz's fans, some are just saying that Ortiz is just too underrated compared for Loma which is true but some also have said that Loma should still take some extra precaution because Ortiz might be the 2nd Teo Lopez that will give him an upset. Well, about that, they truly have a point because Ortiz here is also an undefeated boxer who wanted to be a star someday, so a defeat here is the least he wanted.

Losing to Ortiz in this fight is a very slim possibility because for me Loma is on a mission of reclaiming the belts he once have and i also think that he will never be overconfident on this one and make sure that he will do the job with convincingly as this win will make him the frontrunner to fight Haney for the unified belts.

Though Ortiz is undefeated but his opponent were nobody so and talent-wise, he is not on the same level with Loma and with that being said, i'm betting for Loma to KO Ortiz, just hope that he will not show mercy on his opponent like he did with Richard Commey.

I'm riding this pick, I like to see Loma getting a very impressive win and there's no other way but to dominate Jamaine Ortiz and best if he could KO him. Good thing I was able to see this thread, I almost forgot that this fight will be tomorrow, I should get ready the PPV channel ready then.

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But what about those pictures of Lomachenko on frontline? Fully equiped and with a weapon? Just a picture for mass media, or he really did take some action? I think it is impossible to be in a civilian army and parallel do boxing training, later prepare for a big fight and wont ne nervous on a day fight.

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Quote from: TopTort777 on October 28, 2022, 06:32:36 AM

But Lomachenko and his country is in the middle of war. I did not wanted to bring politics in here, but that nervous situation could easily hard Lomachenko attitude tomorrow.

Nope I don't think it would make him nervous, that's problem is caused not from him. Actually he should feel nervous when he lose against Lopez, that's make him lose 3 belts just for one fight. But Lomachenko already fight 2 times before this fight and he won, so I don't think it will have a problem in this fight too.

The moneyline odds is very small, I think I will go for Lomachenko by decision since Lomachenko doesn't have good power to knock out a tough boxer.

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Seems that this fight is already set, both make the weight so there will be no problem.

I like the positive attitude of Ortiz though, he said that he will shock the world so we will see that. He also said that he is going to shock the world and silence his critics. This is boxing and we all know that upset do happen. Loma was upset before by Teo but then again their is this argument that he is not that healthy entering the fight.

Point by Ortiz is that Loma is old at 34 and has been in so many hard fought wars while he is very fresh and young. So it's a battle of experience vs young and flash and wanted to show the world what he got.

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Quote from: TopTort777 on October 28, 2022, 06:32:36 AM

Quote from: bisdak40 on October 28, 2022, 06:22:08 AM

Losing to Ortiz in this fight is a very slim possibility because for me Loma is on a mission of reclaiming the belts he once have and i also think that he will never be overconfident on this one and make sure that he will do the job with convincingly as this win will make him the frontrunner to fight Haney for the unified belts.

Though Ortiz is undefeated but his opponent were nobody so and talent-wise, he is not on the same level with Loma and with that being said, i'm betting for Loma to KO Ortiz, just hope that he will not show mercy on his opponent like he did with Richard Commey.

Chances of Loma loosing to Lopez wasnt that high either, and mane predicted that Teofimo would be "just another step" in Lomas career. We all know how this fight ended. One of the judges even gave only 1 round to Loma (but I dont agree with such decision). Ortiz does not look as impressive as other Lomachenko opponents were. But Lomachenko and his country is in the middle of war. I did not wanted to bring politics in here, but that nervous situation could easily hard Lomachenko attitude tomorrow.

Or the war in the background could rally Loma to bring home the glory for his country?

Just like what Usyk did, it was a tough fight against Joshua, but he had to win the last 3 rounds in that fight. After round 9, we thought that Joshua has the mentality and the momentum to steal the win, but Usyk did deeper and make a huge comeback in that fight.

So maybe Loma will also be inspired by his countryman and so will be extra motivated not to lose to a relatively unknown boxer in Ortiz?

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Quote from: bisdak40 on October 28, 2022, 06:22:08 AM

Losing to Ortiz in this fight is a very slim possibility because for me Loma is on a mission of reclaiming the belts he once have and i also think that he will never be overconfident on this one and make sure that he will do the job with convincingly as this win will make him the frontrunner to fight Haney for the unified belts.

Though Ortiz is undefeated but his opponent were nobody so and talent-wise, he is not on the same level with Loma and with that being said, i'm betting for Loma to KO Ortiz, just hope that he will not show mercy on his opponent like he did with Richard Commey.

Chances of Loma loosing to Lopez wasnt that high either, and mane predicted that Teofimo would be "just another step" in Lomas career. We all know how this fight ended. One of the judges even gave only 1 round to Loma (but I dont agree with such decision). Ortiz does not look as impressive as other Lomachenko opponents were. But Lomachenko and his country is in the middle of war. I did not wanted to bring politics in here, but that nervous situation could easily hard Lomachenko attitude tomorrow.

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Quote from: freedomgo on October 28, 2022, 05:15:00 AM

Been in this discussion for quite some time and I haven't read that someone here is Jamaine Ortiz's fans, some are just saying that Ortiz is just too underrated compared for Loma which is true but some also have said that Loma should still take some extra precaution because Ortiz might be the 2nd Teo Lopez that will give him an upset. Well, about that, they truly have a point because Ortiz here is also an undefeated boxer who wanted to be a star someday, so a defeat here is the least he wanted.

Losing to Ortiz in this fight is a very slim possibility because for me Loma is on a mission of reclaiming the belts he once have and i also think that he will never be overconfident on this one and make sure that he will do the job with convincingly as this win will make him the frontrunner to fight Haney for the unified belts.

Though Ortiz is undefeated but his opponent were nobody so and talent-wise, he is not on the same level with Loma and with that being said, i'm betting for Loma to KO Ortiz, just hope that he will not show mercy on his opponent like he did with Richard Commey.

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Quote from: freedomgo on October 28, 2022, 05:15:00 AM

Been in this discussion for quite some time and I haven't read that someone here is Jamaine Ortiz's fans, some are just saying that Ortiz is just too underrated compared for Loma which is true but some also have said that Loma should still take some extra precaution because Ortiz might be the 2nd Teo Lopez that will give him an upset. Well, about that, they truly have a point because Ortiz here is also an undefeated boxer who wanted to be a star someday, so a defeat here is the least he wanted.

Lopez beat Loma because he has an injured shoulder when they fought, and

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Bob Arum, Lomachenko’s promoter, said he didn’t know before the fight that Lomachenko was having problems with the shoulder.

https://boxingjunkie.usatoday.com/2020/10/vasiliy-lomachenko-fought-with-shoulder-injury-report

I'm sure this time we will see a very healthy and the same Loma that beat Commey, not much has changed when he fought Commey he is still fast and strong and the ring generalship is awesome.

I hope Loma will win by knockout against a very tough Ortiz so the boxing community will demand a fight against Haney, either way, the boxing community will demand a Haney match-up as long as Loma wins.

There's been a lot of upsets this year but I don't want this to be one.

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Quote from: Baofeng on October 27, 2022, 05:07:45 PM

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This is the first time that I saw this kind of odds in boxing, the figure is almost even on a win by Lomachenco by decision or knockout because i thought that one of them (either KO or decision) must be enticing to the bettors to bet, i mean it should have been 2.xx so that those who like to bet on higher odds will be attracted

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Nevertheless, I will still bet on Loma to win by KO as I think this would be some sort of warning to Haney that he is the real deal in this division.

Yeah, for Loma backers, this is the best betting options that we got, either by KO or by decision.

Stake has it,

So it's better to just really choice one betting option and then bet on a decent money to have a good return.

In any case, almost everyone should agree that Loma will win this fight (no offense to Ortiz backers).

Been in this discussion for quite some time and I haven't read that someone here is Jamaine Ortiz's fans, some are just saying that Ortiz is just too underrated compared for Loma which is true but some also have said that Loma should still take some extra precaution because Ortiz might be the 2nd Teo Lopez that will give him an upset. Well, about that, they truly have a point because Ortiz here is also an undefeated boxer who wanted to be a star someday, so a defeat here is the least he wanted.

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Quote from: bisdak40 on October 25, 2022, 08:47:33 AM

This is the first time that I saw this kind of odds in boxing, the figure is almost even on a win by Lomachenco by decision or knockout because i thought that one of them (either KO or decision) must be enticing to the bettors to bet, i mean it should have been 2.xx so that those who like to bet on higher odds will be attracted

.

Nevertheless, I will still bet on Loma to win by KO as I think this would be some sort of warning to Haney that he is the real deal in this division.

Yeah, for Loma backers, this is the best betting options that we got, either by KO or by decision.

Stake has it,

So it's better to just really choice one betting option and then bet on a decent money to have a good return.

In any case, almost everyone should agree that Loma will win this fight (no offense to Ortiz backers).

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Quote from: bisdak40 on October 25, 2022, 08:47:33 AM

This is the first time that I saw this kind of odds in boxing, the figure is almost even on a win by Lomachenco by decision or knockout because i thought that one of them (either KO or decision) must be enticing to the bettors to bet, i mean it should have been 2.xx so that those who like to bet on higher odds will be attracted

.

Nevertheless, I will still bet on Loma to win by KO as I think this would be some sort of warning to Haney that he is the real deal in this division.

Yes mate, I'm inclined to do the same way too. I'm not here to underestimate this Jamaine Ortiz but I don't think he have the right tools in his belt to defeat Loma and his technicalities, the latter's IQ in the ring is much higher than Ortiz too plus this challenger is not knockout specialist which again gives Loma the higher hand. Almost certain to say that this will be just a tune-up fight before Loma faces Haney.

IQ wise Loma have the upper-hand and I agree that he can KO Ortiz to send the message to Haney that he's back, and he's aiming for the belt, if Loma will knock down Ortiz it will create good impressions to his fans and more interest once the negotiations already roll between him and Haney, though it's too early to conclude the possible outcome of this fight.

I like to follow that bet which is Loma can KO Ortiz. It is very possible that it will happen on their fight night!

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Quote from: bisdak40 on October 25, 2022, 08:47:33 AM

This is the first time that I saw this kind of odds in boxing, the figure is almost even on a win by Lomachenco by decision or knockout because i thought that one of them (either KO or decision) must be enticing to the bettors to bet, i mean it should have been 2.xx so that those who like to bet on higher odds will be attracted

.

Nevertheless, I will still bet on Loma to win by KO as I think this would be some sort of warning to Haney that he is the real deal in this division.

Yes mate, I'm inclined to do the same way too. I'm not here to underestimate this Jamaine Ortiz but I don't think he have the right tools in his belt to defeat Loma and his technicalities, the latter's IQ in the ring is much higher than Ortiz too plus this challenger is not knockout specialist which again gives Loma the higher hand. Almost certain to say that this will be just a tune-up fight before Loma faces Haney.

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Speaking of Loma, he has been vocal about Tank Davis and he said that Tank needs to face tough opponent so that he can be recognized. I think we all agree to that, he just face Isaac Cruz and then Rolly Romero in his last 2 fights and not all of us are familiar with that name. And also Loma praises Shakur, and admit that they have sparred in the past at 126-130 but admit that Stevenson is very different now as he is bigger and poise to make it to 135 lbs and which he is trying to get all his belt back. And if Loma wins here, we expect a fight between him and Haney next year and that will be big. As for Ortiz, even if he losses this fight, this is still a good experience to put under his belt and he could be a champion later down the road.

The expectations from the fans really into the side of Loma, knowing that he's on a mission to bring down Haney after this fight, chasing for the belt and regaining the hype will bring loma more money fight. Still too early for conclusion, but the upper hand and the favorite already been eyed to Loma, it's more on Ortiz exposure and how he will try to upset the heavy favorite.

We might see a more interesting fight once Loma starts winning. Fans will love to see him holding the belt as they will expect
more challenger to chase fighting him.

It's already interesting seeing Loma vs Haney, so let's hope that Loma will win this fight as he has not fought a real champion since he got defeated by Lopez. It's his comeback fight, a win is a must for him to face Haney, otherwise, he has to start over again which we don't want to see.

Not just an ordinary win because I doubt Lomachenko will be enough to defeat the current Haney if he will just win by a decision or just barely, anyway, we never know but surely, he needed an outstanding outcome like a KO or TKO because in that way, we are somehow sure that he can really take the undisputed champion down. Nevertheless, we can't hide the excitement we feel to see Loma back on action again, hopefully Oritz won't back down easily so that the fight will be much more interesting.

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This is the first time that I saw this kind of odds in boxing, the figure is almost even on a win by Lomachenco by decision or knockout because i thought that one of them (either KO or decision) must be enticing to the bettors to bet, i mean it should have been 2.xx so that those who like to bet on higher odds will be attracted

.

Nevertheless, I will still bet on Loma to win by KO as I think this would be some sort of warning to Haney that he is the real deal in this division.

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