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Quote from: alegotardo on January 29, 2022, 06:29:31 PM

But it could be that I'm having a wrong perception of Brazilian football, as I just read that the "Brasileirão" was elected the strongest championship in the world in 2021 by the IFFHS .
See if you can believe that... the Brazilian championship beating major world leagues like the Premier League, from England, Serie A, from Italy, and the Spanish Championship Huh

Do you have a link to that information?
It's just that I've been looking at the official website and still no results appear. In the research I did, I read media saying that Italy or Spain were the best. That is, I think this information is still very much on the basis of supposition.

But I could be wrong.

My opinion, there is no better league than the English one. I'm not for competitiveness, but for the quality of play that all teams have.

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I wonder what that list is based on. I do believe that there are quite a few talents in this competition. But a competition like in the English Premier League can't possibly be beaten, can it? I see this Brazilian competition more as a kind of breeding ground, where talented and good players can prove themselves and in that way be scouted for a top Eropean competition.

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Quote from: joker_josue on January 24, 2022, 02:56:55 AM

Quote from: alegotardo on January 23, 2022, 06:40:23 PM

In fact, Brazil bets very little on sport, football is one of them, the time when Brazilian players and teams were respected as they used to be is gone.

But don't you feel that this might be changing?
With the arrival of European coaches and their technical teams? Or do you feel that they are seen for the money and end up not helping in the development of the club structure?

Yes, investment by clubs has always been very strong, but I was referring to the Brazilian government, in sport in general.

But it could be that I'm having a wrong perception of Brazilian football, as I just read that the "Brasileirão" was elected the strongest championship in the world in 2021 by the IFFHS .
See if you can believe that... the Brazilian championship beating major world leagues like the Premier League, from England, Serie A, from Italy, and the Spanish Championship Huh

Here is the top 10 of the IFFHS 2021:
Brazil: 1,406 points
England: 1,204 points
Italy: 1,060.5 points
Spain: 1,028 points
France: 937 points
Portugal: 903 points
Netherlands: 901 points
Germany: 880 points
Argentina: 770.5 points
Paraguay: 737 points

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Quote from: alegotardo on January 23, 2022, 06:40:23 PM

In fact, Brazil bets very little on sport, football is one of them, the time when Brazilian players and teams were respected as they used to be is gone.

But don't you feel that this might be changing?
With the arrival of European coaches and their technical teams? Or do you feel that they are seen for the money and end up not helping in the development of the club structure?

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Quote from: KTChampions on January 23, 2022, 02:21:38 AM

If we take longer observation periods, then in my opinion Brazilian football has weakened its position very much (it would be more accurate to say that European football has strengthened, but the meaning is the same). If you look at the 90s and the current state of affairs, it is obvious that the greatest number of talents arise in Europe (at the moment there are the strongest football schools and the infrastructure that allows young talents to grow), while before it was the other way around.

In fact, Brazil bets very little on sport, football is one of them, the time when Brazilian players and teams were respected as they used to be is gone.
Even in America there are many teams that have an equal or better level than Brazil than a few years ago.
I miss having more options for betting on Brazilian football championships, however, in fact there is no demand for betting for that.
I myself prefer to bet on European leagues rather than Brazilian ones, but I still don't let go of my passion for Brazilian national football.

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Quote from: KTChampions on January 23, 2022, 02:21:38 AM

If we take longer observation periods, then in my opinion Brazilian football has weakened its position very much (it would be more accurate to say that European football has strengthened, but the meaning is the same). If you look at the 90s and the current state of affairs, it is obvious that the greatest number of talents arise in Europe (at the moment there are the strongest football schools and the infrastructure that allows young talents to grow), while before it was the other way around.

I think that's the point. Brazilian football hasn't changed much, in fact now it even has more money and better infrastructure. What has changed is European football, which has invested more in training and this has led to fewer and fewer players being picked up in Brazil.

This in turn made Brazilian football gradually become less attractive to Europeans. Then it snowballs: more European athletes - fewer Brazilian athletes, fewer Brazilian athletes - less attention to Brazilian football, less attention to Brazilian football - increasing disinterest on the part of Europeans.

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Quote from: joker_josue on January 22, 2022, 12:17:03 PM

Quote from: KTChampions on January 22, 2022, 09:34:59 AM

And I also know that the less popular the league is, the more likely it is that various murky schemes (fixed matches) will take place in it, so bookmakers are afraid of this and give betters little choice.
The fact that there are very few legionnaires in Brazilian football (especially from Europe), so the league has few views from the UEFA zone is really logical. Usually, Europeans learn about a Brazilian footballer when he moves to play for one of the European teams.

But I believe that is starting to change. They are increasingly betting on European coaches, and this ends up helping them to grow more and to understand how football is seen in Europe.
In turn, good performances in intercontinental club competitions also help in this regard.
Therefore, perhaps for a few years, Brazilian football has been the most talked about world, especially in Europe.

If we take longer observation periods, then in my opinion Brazilian football has weakened its position very much (it would be more accurate to say that European football has strengthened, but the meaning is the same). If you look at the 90s and the current state of affairs, it is obvious that the greatest number of talents arise in Europe (at the moment there are the strongest football schools and the infrastructure that allows young talents to grow), while before it was the other way around.

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Quote from: joker_josue on January 22, 2022, 12:17:03 PM

Quote from: KTChampions on January 22, 2022, 09:34:59 AM

And I also know that the less popular the league is, the more likely it is that various murky schemes (fixed matches) will take place in it, so bookmakers are afraid of this and give betters little choice.
The fact that there are very few legionnaires in Brazilian football (especially from Europe), so the league has few views from the UEFA zone is really logical. Usually, Europeans learn about a Brazilian footballer when he moves to play for one of the European teams.

But I believe that is starting to change. They are increasingly betting on European coaches, and this ends up helping them to grow more and to understand how football is seen in Europe.
In turn, good performances in intercontinental club competitions also help in this regard.
Therefore, perhaps for a few years, Brazilian football has been the most talked about world, especially in Europe.

Brazil has already had its golden days as king of the soccer universe. But between 2005-2006 the scenario completely changed. I don't know if Brazil decreased their performance quality or if it's just that another countries and leagues heavily developed their skills and techniques.

Personally, I think it has something to do with discipline as well, because brazilian soccer athletes usually aren't totally commited with their professional careers. They like partying, eating junk food, drinking, smoking, using drugs... And of course it affects not only their physical, but also their social behavior towards another people and the society. As we can see many of these players faced or are facing serious legal proceedings for different crimes.

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Quote from: KTChampions on January 22, 2022, 09:34:59 AM

And I also know that the less popular the league is, the more likely it is that various murky schemes (fixed matches) will take place in it, so bookmakers are afraid of this and give betters little choice.
The fact that there are very few legionnaires in Brazilian football (especially from Europe), so the league has few views from the UEFA zone is really logical. Usually, Europeans learn about a Brazilian footballer when he moves to play for one of the European teams.

But I believe that is starting to change. They are increasingly betting on European coaches, and this ends up helping them to grow more and to understand how football is seen in Europe.
In turn, good performances in intercontinental club competitions also help in this regard.
Therefore, perhaps for a few years, Brazilian football has been the most talked about world, especially in Europe.

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Quote from: joker_josue on January 21, 2022, 10:12:18 AM

Quote from: KTChampions on January 21, 2022, 08:21:40 AM

Fine. This thread will never be redundant

If you evaluate this league in terms of betting, what can you say about it? I see that bookmakers offer bets on football matches in Brazil, but the choice of betting types is rather poor and, apparently, there is not very high liquidity.

This happens for several reasons. One is that normally the biggest bettors are in Europe and it focuses on European football.
Another reason is that Brazilian football is not very internationalized. Although several Brazilian players are popular in big Brazilian teams, most European fans do not follow the Brazilian league.

This should be a work to be carried out by the Brazilian football federation, to promote its competitions in Europe.

And I also know that the less popular the league is, the more likely it is that various murky schemes (fixed matches) will take place in it, so bookmakers are afraid of this and give betters little choice.
The fact that there are very few legionnaires in Brazilian football (especially from Europe), so the league has few views from the UEFA zone is really logical. Usually, Europeans learn about a Brazilian footballer when he moves to play for one of the European teams.

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Quote from: KTChampions on January 21, 2022, 08:21:40 AM

Fine. This thread will never be redundant

If you evaluate this league in terms of betting, what can you say about it? I see that bookmakers offer bets on football matches in Brazil, but the choice of betting types is rather poor and, apparently, there is not very high liquidity.

This happens for several reasons. One is that normally the biggest bettors are in Europe and it focuses on European football.
Another reason is that Brazilian football is not very internationalized. Although several Brazilian players are popular in big Brazilian teams, most European fans do not follow the Brazilian league.

This should be a work to be carried out by the Brazilian football federation, to promote its competitions in Europe.

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Fine. This thread will never be redundant

If you evaluate this league in terms of betting, what can you say about it? I see that bookmakers offer bets on football matches in Brazil, but the choice of betting types is rather poor and, apparently, there is not very high liquidity.

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Quote from: alegotardo on January 21, 2022, 06:06:26 AM

Correct, but wrong too... because money doesn't guarantee bonds.

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It's necessary to know how to manage this money, invest in good signings and guarantee the necessary adjustments during the championship.

No doubt! The same is true for European clubs. There are clubs that spend more than $100k on players, and after the end of the season they didn't win anything.

But, that's why many Brazilian clubs have hired European coaches and managers, who have helped them a lot in improving the conditions of clubs in all aspects.

Speaking of signings, how are signings by Brazilian clubs happening? Is the market still calm, or is it excited? Any surprises?

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Quote from: joker_josue on January 12, 2022, 03:45:17 PM

It may be too early to say that he is the favorite, especially in the Brazilian championship. But Atletico-MG, Flamengo and Palmeiras are clearly the ones with the advantage, because they have the most money.

Or am I wrong about this financial situation?

Correct, but wrong too... because money doesn't guarantee bonds.

Lets see which are the richest clubs in Brazil now in BRL:

Flamengo: R$ 1.03 billion;
Atlético Mineiro: R$ 821 million;
Palmeiras: R$ 625 million;
Corinthians: R$ 507 million;
International: R$ 420 million;
Santos: R$ 296 million;
Grêmio: R$ 295 million.

Grêmio is in seventh position and still was relegated to the "B" series of the championship, how to explain that!?

It's necessary to know how to manage this money, invest in good signings and guarantee the necessary adjustments during the championship.

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Quote from: alegotardo on January 12, 2022, 03:39:15 PM

Talking about favoritism now, considering that the championship will only start in April and that many teams are still negotiating the signing of players is a bit risky, don't you think?

It may be too early to say that he is the favorite, especially in the Brazilian championship. But Atletico-MG, Flamengo and Palmeiras are clearly the ones with the advantage, because they have the most money.

Or am I wrong about this financial situation?

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Quote from: uneng on January 10, 2022, 12:51:38 PM

The favorite clubs so far are Atletico-MG, Flamengo and Palmeiras. Even without winning titles recently, Flamengo has the confidence of the public. They expect a foreigner coach to arrive soon, what includes Jorge Jesus who can return from Portugal.

Atletico has been doing a great job winning the last Brasileirão championship 2021 (Flamengo finished in second and Palmeiras in third) and Brazil Cup 2021. The team is indeed really strong and well managed by Cuca.

And Palmeiras has won CONMEBOL Libertadores championship 2021, which is an international competition among south american clubs.

"Mas bah tchê"

Talking about favoritism now, considering that the championship will only start in April and that many teams are still negotiating the signing of players is a bit risky, don't you think?

I agree with what @bitmover said.... many times, the championship is only defined in the last rounds and for sure that until middle of the championship it's practically impossible to predict who wll win, because a lot changes.

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Quote from: uneng on January 10, 2022, 12:51:38 PM

Yes, all these issues are remediable: debts can be paid and players can be replaced. More than a soccer player, Ronaldo is a businessman. So he should have the kind of mindset to solve this situation and recover the glory of the club, although frankly speaking I don't think he spreads confidence. But let's see...

That's true. I remember hearing, when he was still a player, that he already had businesses in various parts of the world that allowed him to stop playing football and continue to have a good income.

He just has to assemble the right team for the management of the club, so that things go well. One thing is for sure, he understands a lot about football.

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Quote from: rdluffy on January 09, 2022, 04:10:11 PM

Maybe in a few years Cruzeiro can be a great team again, I don't know if you guys outside Brazil know about, but Ronaldo bought Cruzeiro: https://www.espn.com/soccer/brazil-bra/story/4552747/brazilian-great-ronaldo-buys-boyhood-club-cruzeiro

It's true Ronaldo is buying Cruzeiro, but the deal hasn't been sealed yet and I have read rumours he could give up the purchase due to the club being in deep debt and criticisms from the crowd after the departure of the main goalkeeper. To buy Cruzeiro became a risky business and close people to Ronaldo said he can just leave to Spain and forget this idea. We will see in the next days...

I really hope he buys his boyhood club.If there is disagreement over the main goalkeeper departure I am sure this can be solved by bringing in another goalkeeper at least the same level if not better than the one who departed.For the debt though I am afraid this is a bigger issue and if Ronaldo has enough money to cover it he should buy the club,if not then truly it becomes a risky business for him so it is better to stay away.My personal opinion is that he should buy this club just for the emotional value it may have for him.

Yes, all these issues are remediable: debts can be paid and players can be replaced. More than a soccer player, Ronaldo is a businessman. So he should have the kind of mindset to solve this situation and recover the glory of the club, although frankly speaking I don't think he spreads confidence. But let's see...

The favorite clubs so far are Atletico-MG, Flamengo and Palmeiras. Even without winning titles recently, Flamengo has the confidence of the public. They expect a foreigner coach to arrive soon, what includes Jorge Jesus who can return from Portugal.

Atletico has been doing a great job winning the last Brasileirão championship 2021 (Flamengo finished in second and Palmeiras in third) and Brazil Cup 2021. The team is indeed really strong and well managed by Cuca.

And Palmeiras has won CONMEBOL Libertadores championship 2021, which is an international competition among south american clubs.

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Quote from: bitmover on January 10, 2022, 05:41:33 AM

Brazilian Championship is very different from other national championships. There are quite a lot teams, and there is usually huge competition. The result is usually defined just in the last rounds, and we can't know at first which is the most likely to win. There are too many teams which are similar leveled.

But I think that the gap between the big teams and the rest in the competition is gradually widening. There are more and more investors, which have helped some teams to improve their squads a lot and this helps them to win more easily.

But this is also a vision of those on the other side of the Atlantic. Roll Eyes

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Brazilian Championship is very different from other national championships. There are quite a lot teams, and there is usually huge competition. The result is usually defined just in the last rounds, and we can't know at first which is the most likely to win. There are too many teams which are similar leveled.

For example, take a look at La Liga (Spanish national league), Madrid and Barcelona are the most likely to win again, just like always.
https://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/La_Liga

But in Brazil, there too many teams competing. I found this image at wikipedia, which shows the % the biggest brazilian teams won the championship

https://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Campeonato_Brasileiro_de_Futebol

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Quote from: alegotardo on January 09, 2022, 04:07:05 PM

This championship has 4 categories, which we call here series... A, B, C, and D.
At each championship, the top 4 of each series go up, the bottom 4 go down.
In series A, which we are discussing here, the first 4 qualify for "Libertadores" (Conmebol).
To enter series D, there is a classification among the best in each state in the country, but I don't know the rules, as I barely follow series B, below that I don't even look.

Thanks for the explanation, I already gave you a clearer idea of how it works.

It is also important to notice that if the team in A series in the last 4 positions, it will go back to B series, so the best 4 in B series can go to A series.

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