And, not to forget, SELLING yields a 1000 fuckin' % per year!!!!!111eleven 
rofl
Topic: [BTC-TC] Deprived Mining Speculation (DMS) - page 61. (Read 198958 times)
And, not to forget, SELLING yields a 1000 fuckin' % per year!!!!!111eleven
Or, as I like to put it ... That gut feeling is probably nothing more than your breakfast.
rofl gg
Actually more of a gut-feeling then anything else.
Put gut feelings into DMS and you'll give your money to someone else who used a spreadsheet 
Or, as I like to put it ... That gut feeling is probably nothing more than your breakfast.
Actually more of a gut-feeling then anything else.
Put gut feelings into DMS and you'll give your money to someone else who used a spreadsheet Actually more of a gut-feeling then anything else. It just seems that with the current dividend payment schedule and the so far continously over-estimated ASIC delivery power for at least the next month or two (Avalon shipping late, BFL not shipping fast enough etc) I just don't see a perpetual 20% increase in short or long term. I think people tend to underestimate the downward force that diff increases apply to hash-power rollouts over time.
Imagine 250TH BFL + 250TH Avalon chips + 250TH Bitfury + 250TH KNC + 250TH AsicMiner (total about 5x diff) in 3 months + the rest and plans like AM's 1PH in next months. Now check http://bitcoinx.com/profit/
But you are certainly right in sense that in comparison to TAT.VIRTUALMINE, which is traded at 2.5BTC/GH, DMS.MINING is undervalued.
What do people think about CB.IDIFF-O and the effect it might have on DMS.SELLING? They are very similar, but CB.IDIFF-O is simpler and DMS.SELLING doesn't reset every two months.
There's room for both. I think there's room for more too, just need to get creative with how they work.
What do people think about CB.IDIFF-O and the effect it might have on DMS.SELLING? They are very similar, but CB.IDIFF-O is simpler and DMS.SELLING doesn't reset every two months.
To get a 10% return in a year with current diff rises, only pay 0.006 BTC 
We've been seeing close to 20% increases for the past two months (besides the one 10% increase). With AM, Avalon, and the newcomers (ActM, Labcoin, BTCGarden), don't you think that there's significant chance of continual increase?
PS. Even if diff increases were only 10% per period, MINING would only pay out about .009 from now until 12/9/14
Disclosure: I've closed all my positions (for now)
PS. Even if diff increases were only 10% per period, MINING would only pay out about .009 from now until 12/9/14
Disclosure: I've closed all my positions (for now)
I spent the morning reading up on DMS.MINING and have a distinct feeling that this asset is quite heavily undervalued. Anyone care to argue for/against the current (around 0.007) valuation?
The value of DMS.MINING is based solely on the future of the difficulty value.
A value of 0.007 implies a rise in difficulty of about 15% every difficulty period for the next few months. Do you think that is too high? What do you think the increase will be? A value of 0.01 implies an increase of about 10% every period.
As someone who is manufacturing ASIC miners, you would know better than others what the future difficulty value might be. What do you think the value of DMS.MINING should be? How do you arrive at that value?
Actually more of a gut-feeling then anything else. It just seems that with the current dividend payment schedule and the so far continously over-estimated ASIC delivery power for at least the next month or two (Avalon shipping late, BFL not shipping fast enough etc) I just don't see a perpetual 20% increase in short or long term. I think people tend to underestimate the downward force that diff increases apply to hash-power rollouts over time.
I spent the morning reading up on DMS.MINING and have a distinct feeling that this asset is quite heavily undervalued. Anyone care to argue for/against the current (around 0.007) valuation?
The value of DMS.MINING is based solely on the future of the difficulty value.
A value of 0.007 implies a rise in difficulty of about 15% every difficulty period for the next few months. Do you think that is too high? What do you think the increase will be? A value of 0.01 implies an increase of about 10% every period.
As someone who is manufacturing ASIC miners, you would know better than others what the future difficulty value might be. What do you think the value of DMS.MINING should be? How do you arrive at that value?
I spent the morning reading up on DMS.MINING and have a distinct feeling that this asset is quite heavily undervalued. Anyone care to argue for/against the current (around 0.007) valuation?
Ssshhhh
I spent the morning reading up on DMS.MINING and have a distinct feeling that this asset is quite heavily undervalued. Anyone care to argue for/against the current (around 0.007) valuation?
Quite a few different people buying decent chunks of PURCHASE today - so NAV/U actually rose (very) slightly.
Sold 11033
Swapped 0
Total 11033
Price 0.02824
Total 311.57192
Less Fee 310.9487762
Man Fee 9.328463285
BTC Balance (BTC-TC) 1,008.76064367
10164 LTC-ATF.B1 101.64000000
Coinlenders CD 28/8 200.97761399
Coinlenders CD 13/8 101.45102666
Just-Dice Balance 154.63079193
TOTAL ASSETS 1,567.46007625
Outstanding MINING 54485
Outstanding SELLING 54485
Outstanding PURCHASE 3580
Effective Units 58065
Block reward 25
Difficulty 37,392,766
Hashes per MINING 5000000
Daily Dividend 0.00006725
50 days (Min Liquid) 0.00336232
100 days (Forced Close) 0.00672465
365 days (Buyback) 0.02454497
405 days (IPO) 0.02723483
400 days (Post SELLING div) 0.02689860
410 days (Pre SELLING div) 0.02757106
NAV Post MINING Div 1,563.55540832
NAV/U Post MINING Div 0.02692767
Days Dividend Post Div 400.43
SELLING Dividend -
NAV Post SELLING Div 1,563.55540832
NAV/U Post Selling Div 0.02692767
PURCHASE selling price 0.02827
PURCHASE buy-back price 0.02639
J-D House profit at report 2896
Sold 11033
Swapped 0
Total 11033
Price 0.02824
Total 311.57192
Less Fee 310.9487762
Man Fee 9.328463285
BTC Balance (BTC-TC) 1,008.76064367
10164 LTC-ATF.B1 101.64000000
Coinlenders CD 28/8 200.97761399
Coinlenders CD 13/8 101.45102666
Just-Dice Balance 154.63079193
TOTAL ASSETS 1,567.46007625
Outstanding MINING 54485
Outstanding SELLING 54485
Outstanding PURCHASE 3580
Effective Units 58065
Block reward 25
Difficulty 37,392,766
Hashes per MINING 5000000
Daily Dividend 0.00006725
50 days (Min Liquid) 0.00336232
100 days (Forced Close) 0.00672465
365 days (Buyback) 0.02454497
405 days (IPO) 0.02723483
400 days (Post SELLING div) 0.02689860
410 days (Pre SELLING div) 0.02757106
NAV Post MINING Div 1,563.55540832
NAV/U Post MINING Div 0.02692767
Days Dividend Post Div 400.43
SELLING Dividend -
NAV Post SELLING Div 1,563.55540832
NAV/U Post Selling Div 0.02692767
PURCHASE selling price 0.02827
PURCHASE buy-back price 0.02639
J-D House profit at report 2896
I'm not him, but I'm sure he got the divs 
Wait for the divs to come in, then sell to people who don't understand what happen when a SELLING div is paid. That's the well hidden secret
Wait for the divs to come in, then sell to people who don't understand what happen when a SELLING div is paid. That's the well hidden secret
Awwww, and now you went and told everyone!
Giving away all my secrets, odolvlobo!
It seems that no one can be bothered to read more than two pages back into this thread, so I'm sure it will be long forgotten in a couple of days!
I'm not him, but I'm sure he got the divs
Wait for the divs to come in, then sell to people who don't understand what happen when a SELLING div is paid. That's the well hidden secret
Wait for the divs to come in, then sell to people who don't understand what happen when a SELLING div is paid. That's the well hidden secret
Awwww, and now you went and told everyone!
It looks like high-frequency trading is coming to BTC-TC.
I'm not him, but I'm sure he got the divs
Wait for the divs to come in, then sell to people who don't understand what happen when a SELLING div is paid. That's the well hidden secret
Wait for the divs to come in, then sell to people who don't understand what happen when a SELLING div is paid. That's the well hidden secret
Someone had their finger on the sell button.
I did, but someone still beat me to 90% of it.
Did you still get the dividends on the shares you sold?
Someone had their finger on the sell button.
I did, but someone still beat me to 90% of it.
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