Guess I was wrong
Topic: Butterfly Labs - Bitforce Single and Mini Rig Box - page 86. (Read 186948 times)
And there was silly me thinking these do not need huge fans blowing over them like you need for GPUs ...
Guess I was wrong
Guess I was wrong
The cover is currently on. I will take the cover off if the new software and/or flash does not resolve the issue.. heck I'll even point a fan at it or something. 
Agree. The unit sounds hot. I'd take the cover off and point a big ole fan at it, and the cable too if it is too hot to handle.
Thanks Inaba
I am going to meet Sonny in a bit and get the unit flashed. I just moved it to a cooler location, but the cable is too short to move it where I want it. I will get a longer USB cable from home and hook it up tomorrow and move the unit well away from the hot air. Moving it where I did seems to have helped a bit so far, but it's not been running very long.
Has bfl sent you any revised firmware? I don't see any active links to software or firmware on their website.
No, they are too busy working on their medical imaging branch...
Has bfl sent you any revised firmware? I don't see any active links to software or firmware on their website.
As far as I know, yes.
Inaba, are CGminer and Ufasoft the only miner options available
The cover is currently on. I will take the cover off if the new software and/or flash does not resolve the issue.. heck I'll even point a fan at it or something.
Inaba, are you running the Single with the side cover on or off? To eliminate temperature as being a possible cause of the throttling, perhaps run it with the cover off the next time you have a chance to access it.
No, and I don't really want to go down the road of potentially wrecking my unit, either. It's not like the HS is clipped on, it's glued.
I plan on reflashing the unit today and also switching from CGminer to Ufasoft to see if the stepping bug is in CGminer or the unit. BFL says there's no stepping in the unit, just basically a throttle to 0 if it's overheating, which is not what I'm seeing... so I'm thinking it's something in CGminer, but I don't know the CGminer code to make any statements as far as that goes.
As far as the overheating itself, I haven't had a chance to move the unit to the other side of the case so it's not getting backwash from the PSU exhaust. That PSU is at about 85% capacity, so it's not running cool.
I plan on reflashing the unit today and also switching from CGminer to Ufasoft to see if the stepping bug is in CGminer or the unit. BFL says there's no stepping in the unit, just basically a throttle to 0 if it's overheating, which is not what I'm seeing... so I'm thinking it's something in CGminer, but I don't know the CGminer code to make any statements as far as that goes.
As far as the overheating itself, I haven't had a chance to move the unit to the other side of the case so it's not getting backwash from the PSU exhaust. That PSU is at about 85% capacity, so it's not running cool.
Has inaba posted pictures of the chips yet? Remember, we've only had proof of 1 unit that wasn't frying itself...though that is debatable atm. Couldn't they have used really expensive chips to get those numbers?
Has inaba posted pictures of the chips yet? Remember, we've only had proof of 2 units. Couldn't they have used really expensive chips to get those numbers?
It seems that in this case the "investors" were guys like you and me who liked what they saw and jumped at a pre-order. These pre-orders provided the capital to get the prototype created and developed so that the *first* of many design revisions could begin.
Had that been their plan from the beginning, and had they been honest and up front about it, they would have had everyone here cheering them on.
Yet they're doing the same thing over again with the "Rig Box". Accepting pre-orders based on specs that just aren't going to be close to any finished product once they actually start developing it.
The address is odd, seems scammy. Happy to be proven wrong.
25E 12th Street
Kansas City, Missouri 64106
That's a 12 story building, usually a suite number is needed for large buildings.
25E 12th Street
Kansas City, Missouri 64106
That's a 12 story building, usually a suite number is needed for large buildings.
Its # 804, a cheap 1 or 2 bedroom apt., I agree that it has a whiff of something, but Inaba is putting his reputation on the line by backing them. (he has met with them in person)
Apparently ten years experience in FPGA design hasn't netted him enough profit for a real office.
Know much about start-ups?
http://www.retireat21.com/blog/10-companies-started-garages
I probably know a lot more than you...I am 27, have started and sold two successful businesses, and am currently starting an aquaponics operation with some associates and a few million dollars in city, state and federal redevelopment grants. But hey...you quoted something on the internet, so you must be right.
Every company starts relatively small. Generally, though, they do not use customers as investors and rely on preorders to fund their development and production runs.
People keep saying they're a scam and a fraud and it's been proven by a third party that is in fact *not* a fraud. So quit it with this bullshit. Quit fucking with every thread where someone wants to discuss technical details because you guys can't get the design process through your thick skulls.
What technical details are there to discuss? There is ONE, I repeat: ONE confirmed unit in the wild, and it is a hack job at that. That proves absolutely fucking nothing as far as fraud is concerned. It is already a very clear bait-and-switch, seeming as they never developed a prototype to the 'guaranteed' specs that they took customer funds for.
I agree with D&T. You looked better before your big post laying it all down for us simpletons.
perhaps you should not purchase one then
Are you satisfied with the product that you have purchased bombo999?
perhaps you should not purchase one then
"When he was in eighth grade, Steve Jobs, later the co-founder of Apple Computer, telephoned William Hewlett, president of Hewlett-Packard. "Bill answered, and I said, 'Hi, you know, uh, I'm 12 years old and I'm trying to build a frequency counter,' " Jobs recalls. Hewlett, a symbol of entrepreneurial success in the Santa Clara Valley, chatted graciously with Jobs for 20 minutes. When it was over, the kid got not only the Hewlett-Packard parts he needed but a summer job at the company as well."
Sounds a lot like investment on an idea despite the lack of a "working prototype" doesn't it?
Sounds a lot like investment on an idea despite the lack of a "working prototype" doesn't it?
As someone who feels comfortable quoting the Steve Jobs Autobiography you should know that Steve Jobs didn't start a business when he was 12 years old. He hadn't even met Woz at that time. The first product that they sold was a blue box that was something Woz put together and presented to Steve. The device was exactly as advertised. A prototype existed first. Same with the next device, the apple computer, created for the Homebrew Computer Club, but then spun off into the first product for Apple.
Someone should tell BFL that Customers ≠ Investors. Not even Steve Jobs could pull something like that off.
At the very least it is unethical.
Sorry, who is now saying that it is an outright scam? Your unflagging loyalty is troubling.
People keep saying they're a scam and a fraud and it's been proven by a third party that is in fact *not* a fraud. So quit it with this bullshit. Quit fucking with every thread where someone wants to discuss technical details because you guys can't get the design process through your thick skulls.
QFT.
C) The values may have moved around slightly, but they're not too far off from original estimates.
Not far off the original estimate?
Promised: 1.05 GH/s @ 19.8W for $500 in 4-6 weeks
Delivered (well kinda maybe soon): 700 MH/s @ 85W-90W for $600/$700 6 months later.
It was better when you deleted the post, you looked less silly.
The point was not that the company hasn't produced anything or that it won't (Eventually) deliver something to customers.
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The product BFL sold never existed.
BFL sold pre-orders based on 1.05GH/s @19.8W for $500 in 4-6 weeks "guaranteed".
The 1.05 GH/s @ 19.8W product NEVER EXISTED. BFL even admitted (finally, in bits and pieces in an obfuscated fashion) that they never had any actual product running @ 1.05GH/s @ 19.8W. Hence "the product BFL sold never existed" (which isn't to say BFL has no product or will deliver no product). The reality is that using 65nm parts they never could have and never will meet those false specs.
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