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Topic: Butterfly Labs Forced "On Hold For Refund" for all my Single SC orders - page 36. (Read 59168 times)

legendary
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Christian Antkow
Is this a new kind of maneuver where idiot A says something stupid, and idiot B backs him up, on said stupidity being essentially valid??
Whatever happened to just admitting you said something incredibly stupid and working on the next stupidity to come in the near future?
Xian01   20   42.02600000   payment/shipping recieved
20 units = 6GH/s - this guy had a 2012 order and blew it big time
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AjCZrDbAiz_PdE4tbDR3X3owMHNMb1NyekJGWHN4QlE#gid=0
Unless BFL never ships. Then he comes out ahead.
Especially if there are not enough funds left in the BFL coffers to refund everyone.

* Tries to figure out why it's anyone's business what I spend my Bitcoins on *
hero member
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Is this a new kind of maneuver where idiot A says something stupid, and idiot B backs him up, on said stupidity being essentially valid??

Whatever happened to just admitting you said something incredibly stupid and working on the next stupidity to come in the near future?

Xian01   20   42.02600000   payment/shipping recieved

20 units = 6GH/s - this guy had a 2012 order and blew it big time

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AjCZrDbAiz_PdE4tbDR3X3owMHNMb1NyekJGWHN4QlE#gid=0

Unless BFL never ships. Then he comes out ahead.
Especially if there are not enough funds left in the BFL coffers to refund everyone.

His 2012 order would have sold on here (and has done) for at least 5 times what he paid. Just sell it on here if he wasn't happy. Now, instead of having potential $20k he has spent $3-4K and ends up with 6 GH/s

Correct me if I'm wrong but that is a fail...
legendary
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Is this a new kind of maneuver where idiot A says something stupid, and idiot B backs him up, on said stupidity being essentially valid??

Whatever happened to just admitting you said something incredibly stupid and working on the next stupidity to come in the near future?

Xian01   20   42.02600000   payment/shipping recieved

20 units = 6GH/s - this guy had a 2012 order and blew it big time

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AjCZrDbAiz_PdE4tbDR3X3owMHNMb1NyekJGWHN4QlE#gid=0

Unless BFL never ships. Then he comes out ahead.
Especially if there are not enough funds left in the BFL coffers to refund everyone.
hero member
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Is this a new kind of maneuver where idiot A says something stupid, and idiot B backs him up, on said stupidity being essentially valid??

Whatever happened to just admitting you said something incredibly stupid and working on the next stupidity to come in the near future?

Xian01   20   42.02600000   payment/shipping recieved

20 units = 6GH/s - this guy had a 2012 order and blew it big time

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AjCZrDbAiz_PdE4tbDR3X3owMHNMb1NyekJGWHN4QlE#gid=0
legendary
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Is this a new kind of maneuver where idiot A says something stupid, and idiot B backs him up, on said stupidity being essentially valid??

Whatever happened to just admitting you said something incredibly stupid and working on the next stupidity to come in the near future?
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3) Don't want anyone else to get an ASIC because it will slow your hash rate down (like puerto).


A new level of stupidity has just been achieved.

Moron thinks that my hashrate will "slow down" because more ASICs are involved?




You know what I meant Puerto - you will earn less because your percentage of the overall hash rate will decrease. Idiot comment.

I'd like to give you at least some credit for the double face palm pic because I love that pic - but you pinched that too  - off loads of other people using it - I wonder if you have anything original about you at all...

LOL, there's a reason I have that idiot on ignore. The best thing he can do is pretend he doesn't understand what you were saying, so he can paint himself as more intelligent than he is.

You were CLEARLY saying that his relative hashing power would decrease, in proportion to the network. He knows you're correct, so he tries to nitpick and dismiss your statement on a matter of semantics. Weaksauce.  Cheesy
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3) Don't want anyone else to get an ASIC because it will slow your hash rate down (like puerto).


A new level of stupidity has just been achieved.

Moron thinks that my hashrate will "slow down" because more ASICs are involved?




You know what I meant Puerto - you will earn less because your percentage of the overall hash rate will decrease. Idiot comment.

I'd like to give you at least some credit for the double face palm pic because I love that pic - but you pinched that too  - off loads of other people using it - I wonder if you have anything original about you at all...

[EDIT]

Xian01   20   42.02600000   payment/shipping recieved

20 units = 6GH/s - this guy had a 2012 order and blew it big time
legendary
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Here is you making more things up. My post history speaks for itself. Yours speaks of a BFL sycophant desperate to deflect criticism and the disclosure of facts. For anyone else interested in the facts you can read them here: http://www.plainsite.org/flashlight/case.html?id=1500526

K9 Said it best.

Folks if you have doubts as to the people running BFL. Go read the links.

If not, sink your head in the sand.

If you don't want to know, just believe whatever BFL sycophants tell you and let it end at that. You can't later turn around and say you didn't know or weren't informed.

http://askville.amazon.com/sycophant-examples/AnswerViewer.do?requestId=32699572
legendary
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3) Don't want anyone else to get an ASIC because it will slow your hash rate down (like puerto).


A new level of stupidity has just been achieved.

Moron thinks that my hashrate will "slow down" because more ASICs are involved?

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1. Somebody asked why anybody would do business with BFL, knowing Sonny was involved, and knowing the history of Sonny.
2. I responded that I didn't believe that the case really consisted of much more than an IRS witch hunt (answering the question as to why I don't have any major reservations in dealing with him.
3. You try and distort things and pretend that the IRS wasn't involved.
4. You accuse me of ripping off old ladies of their pensions (or at least supporting it), since you don't have an acutal arguemnt.
5. You continue to try and distort.
6. You dig up some random post I made on a precious metals thread about having used copper as a sort of 'poor mans gold' because base metal costs are rising, and try and twist it into an association with some obscure correlation with some alleged "penny scheme" because pennies are ALSO made of copper.

6: That was me, and "penny scheme had nothing to do with Sonny. It was his real dad in the 80's.

Then, I redirect my sarcasm in YOUR general direction..




For starters, the charges you're referencing appear to have been little more than an IRS witch hunt. Maybe he voted Republican?  Roll Eyes

It takes a special kind of person to defend a felon convicted of scamming millions of dollars from senior citizens.

Perhaps Wrenchmonkey and Mr. Vleisides have more in common than we thought.   Lips sealed

Which was the segue into you going full-retard with your bizzarre rantings about pennies and storage space, and acrylic cases, which was an ASTRONOMICAL reach at tying something as inconsequential as some light trading in the base metals market and thinking you'd uncovered some secret tie between me and Sonny.  Roll Eyes

So not only have I been passive-aggressively accused of having stolen from old people, I've also been passive-aggressively accused/insinuated to be involved with, and even a few times accused of BEING, Sonny himself.

Didn't anybody tell you you should never go full retard?

Now get back to cleaning your room, you imbecile. You're 53 goddamn years old, and your parents let you live in their basement. All they ask is that you keep your room clean. Is that so much too ask?
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Xian01 - his motive is unclear - he's lost a 2012 order - he could have sold it for 10x the price he paid if he wasn't such an idiot - to me the only thing I can think is that he's an idiot...

 Not sure I would go so far with the idiot classification. Disgruntled and bitter, sure. Idiot ? Yeah, I guess I was an idiot holding out for 11 months, being strung along, and being OK with taking abuse from their COO.

 Except for that whole part where I was not OK with taking the abuse and constant delays, and expressed my displeasure in a pretty harsh way.

 In retrospect, I should have just taken a refund and bought Avalon or ASICMiner.

 I'm sure one day BFL will ship and I'll look at all you with your BFL rigs and I'll feel a pang of regret. It's too bad for me I can't keep my cool and bite-down hard on the ball when I'm getting it from behind.


So you take (were forced to take due to the abuse you were throwing about) approx $4000 refund for an early 60 GH/s bfl asic.
Then you spend approx $3000 dollars on 300MH/s usb's which will give you about 6 GH/s.

I'd love to see your business plan if you ever set up on your own...

Not that I'm against 300MH/s usb's - I have 2 on order myself...
legendary
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Christian Antkow
I just had to quote this from another thread.

Found this and not sure of its validity as we all know how BFL operates https://forums.butterflylabs.com/blogs/bfl_jody/165-tuesday-5-21-shipping-updates.html
COOOOOOOOOOOL, Based on that, If they keep shipping Just Japapenos, Then i'll get my SEVEN MONTH OLD preorder, shipping in Another Month, AT BEST.
What the fuck happened to the 1/3 1/3 1/3 shipping plan? What the fuck happened to the charity, What the fuck happened to EVERYTHING AT BUTTERFUCK LABS.

COME THE FUCK ON YOU ASSHOLES!, HOW DID YOU FUCK UP THIS BAD?! PEOPLE ARE GOING TO HAVE YEAR OLD PREORDERS BEFORE THEY GET A FUCKING UNIT IN THIER HANDS, YOU MOTHERFUCKING SCAMMED US INTO INVESTING IN YOUR DREAM IDEA ASIC MINER, YOU FUCKING STOLE OUR MONEY FOR YOUR DREAM, YOU FUCKING MAILFRAUD CONVITCTED FUCK

You fucking scammed us into investing!, YOU FUCKING SCAMMED US

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From BFL's own Forums;

https://forums.butterflylabs.com/blogs/bfl_jody/165-tuesday-5-21-shipping-updates-page4.html#comment2468

RED - 05-22-2013 11:10 AM

On February 17th, my apartment burned down. A week later I sent an email to Butterfly Labs requesting them to update my address. A month went by and no response. I sent another email. Another month went by and no response. I sent a lot of emails and never ever received a response.

Word came out that people were already receiving their orders so it became critical that my address was correct, so I sent another email stating I would keep phoning until something is fixed. Still no response.

So I phoned. Dave was very rude and dismissed my complaints. Finally a couple days later Jody sends me an email to ask some questions. She starts to update my addresses but makes a mistake with one of them. I was very clear in my email, but because they are receiving so many emails they are apparently not reading the words in them. I emailed back and informed them that the address was incorrect and that they need to read the email again. This was Jody's response: "I changed the address and will not do it again. If your addresses are not correct now we will just refund the order.--Jody" Apparently insisting that my address is correct is far too much to ask of anyone there.

 I tried my best to be polite and give LOTS of time and patience because I know how busy they are. Obviously I must be selfish to ask such a thing. Life must be so horrible for these people because they are so busy. I guess I'm a fool to think that losing everything I own to fire is anywhere near as big of a hardship in my life compared to what they are going through. Thanks for the pleasant experience.

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https://forums.butterflylabs.com/blogs/bfl_jody/165-tuesday-5-21-shipping-updates-page4.html#comment2469

Dagger75 - 05-22-2013 11:43 AM

I've worked as support and replied to 100's of emails a days for months and months and it's not "Fun" but that's the job. All you have to do is have answers to the general questions available to copy and paste and that takes care of 90% of them.

I'm not sure what they're used to but that's what Customer Service gets paid for. Maybe they are used to sitting around and talking to each other for 50% of the day and this is just a big change that they have to be busy at work, but to take it out on customers and complain and use it as an excuse is not Ok. I suggest that BFL look at RED'a message above mine and see that you are Not living up to your end of the deal AFTER Taking 100% of Customer MONEY then Refusing to put any effort into them.

This is just another sad Fail and as much as I try to just "Let it go" these issues really bother me and they Should bother us All. BFL already has our Money and now they don't feel like holding up their end of the deal w/ things like RED's experience with His apartment buring down. He should Not have to be treated like he's doing something wrong when BFL constantly keeps screwing up and he just wants to have the CORRECT Home address for the product he paid over $1000 for.
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4. You accuse me of ripping off old ladies of their pensions (or at least supporting it)

Is it just me, or is that something Sonny would say, and not wrenchmonkey? The keyword is "me" oppose to "him" or "sonny", for I don't recall anybody accusing you (wrenchmonkey) of ripping off old ladies of their pensions.

Up to this point, it never occurred to me that you're Sonny, though Josh may have crossed my mind a time or two. But now I'm thinkin' differently.

 *cue spooky music*

More like LAW & Order..... Special Victims UNIT

Daaaaah Dumm

Or

CSI -Miami says it the best

cue: Caruso

"I think he played his last game of 'Guess who I am' when he said his own name during the hold up.............


YAAAAAAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOHHHHHHHHHHHHHHWWWWWWWWWW...................WE DONT GET FOOLED AGAIN ....DONT GET FOOLED AGAIN...OH NO !!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mR3jnW2kcUs
legendary
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I guess one way of testing this hypothesis is getting Sonny put back behind bars, there certainly are enough reasons.

Then see if "wrenchmonkey" shuts TF up.

They have phones in prison if u suck enough dick...so i think monkey boy would have easy access to the forum...lol

I figured that was how he was talking to us right now.
legendary
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4. You accuse me of ripping off old ladies of their pensions (or at least supporting it)

Is it just me, or is that something Sonny would say, and not wrenchmonkey? The keyword is "me" oppose to "him" or "sonny", for I don't recall anybody accusing you (wrenchmonkey) of ripping off old ladies of their pensions.

Up to this point, it never occurred to me that you're Sonny, though Josh may have crossed my mind a time or two. But now I'm thinkin' differently.

 *cue spooky music*
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I guess one way of testing this hypothesis is getting Sonny put back behind bars, there certainly are enough reasons.

Then see if "wrenchmonkey" shuts TF up.

They have phones in prison if u suck enough dick...so i think monkey boy would have easy access to the forum...lol
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1. Somebody asked why anybody would do business with BFL, knowing Sonny was involved, and knowing the history of Sonny.
2. I responded that I didn't believe that the case really consisted of much more than an IRS witch hunt (answering the question as to why I don't have any major reservations in dealing with him.
3. You try and distort things and pretend that the IRS wasn't involved.
4. You accuse me of ripping off old ladies of their pensions (or at least supporting it), since you don't have an acutal arguemnt.
5. You continue to try and distort.
6. You dig up some random post I made on a precious metals thread about having used copper as a sort of 'poor mans gold' because base metal costs are rising, and try and twist it into an association with some obscure correlation with some alleged "penny scheme" because pennies are ALSO made of copper.

6: That was me, and "penny scheme had nothing to do with Sonny. It was his real dad in the 80's.

1: It has nothing to do with Sonny as an (ex)felon, and everything to do with similarities being repeated at BFL.

2: Maybe the IRS witch hunt is true, but even if Sonny was never arrested, his history is more than enough to raise red flags.

3 & 5: I'm not in this race.

Which brings us to numero quatro (4, for those who needed watch Dora the Explorer as kids--which I didn't, for I'm 53).

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4. You accuse me of ripping off old ladies of their pensions (or at least supporting it), since you don't have an acutal arguemnt.

You spelled acutal & arguemnt incorrectly. Did you know there's an app for that if you're using a smartphone? But that's not what's important, for I don't believe there's an app to correct what you MIGHT claim to be an error. Allow me to quote it again:

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4. You accuse me of ripping off old ladies of their pensions (or at least supporting it)

Is it just me, or is that something Sonny would say, and not wrenchmonkey? The keyword is "me" oppose to "him" or "sonny", for I don't recall anybody accusing you (wrenchmonkey) of ripping off old ladies of their pensions.

Up to this point, it never occurred to me that you're Sonny, though Josh may have crossed my mind a time or two. But now I'm thinkin' differently.


WOW.....I think we just caught the red fox in the chicken coupe ..... !!!!!!!!!!!!!

Hey Sonny aka Monkey Boy  "Go SUck IT Again"
legendary
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I guess one way of testing this hypothesis is getting Sonny put back behind bars, there certainly are enough reasons.

Then see if "wrenchmonkey" shuts TF up.
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1. Somebody asked why anybody would do business with BFL, knowing Sonny was involved, and knowing the history of Sonny.
2. I responded that I didn't believe that the case really consisted of much more than an IRS witch hunt (answering the question as to why I don't have any major reservations in dealing with him.
3. You try and distort things and pretend that the IRS wasn't involved.
4. You accuse me of ripping off old ladies of their pensions (or at least supporting it), since you don't have an acutal arguemnt.
5. You continue to try and distort.
6. You dig up some random post I made on a precious metals thread about having used copper as a sort of 'poor mans gold' because base metal costs are rising, and try and twist it into an association with some obscure correlation with some alleged "penny scheme" because pennies are ALSO made of copper.

6: That was me, and "penny scheme had nothing to do with Sonny. It was his real dad in the 80's.

1: It has nothing to do with Sonny as an (ex)felon, and everything to do with similarities being repeated at BFL.

2: Maybe the IRS witch hunt is true, but even if Sonny was never arrested, his history is more than enough to raise red flags.

3 & 5: I'm not in this race.

Which brings us to numero quatro (4, for those who needed watch Dora the Explorer as kids--which I didn't, for I'm 53).

Quote
4. You accuse me of ripping off old ladies of their pensions (or at least supporting it), since you don't have an acutal arguemnt.

You spelled acutal & arguemnt incorrectly. Did you know there's an app for that if you're using a smartphone? But that's not what's important, for I don't believe there's an app to correct what you MIGHT claim to be an error. Allow me to quote it again:

Quote
4. You accuse me of ripping off old ladies of their pensions (or at least supporting it)

Is it just me, or is that something Sonny would say, and not wrenchmonkey? The keyword is "me" oppose to "him" or "sonny", for I don't recall anybody accusing you (wrenchmonkey) of ripping off old ladies of their pensions.

Up to this point, it never occurred to me that you're Sonny, though Josh may have crossed my mind a time or two. But now I'm thinkin' differently.
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Whoa.
$6-8k monthly.
If I could pull that off for a year, I would reinvest half, after a year, sell my house, pack my rigs, family and pets and move.

Belize?
Costa Rica?
Guatemala?
Suriname?

Ohh, the choices.
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