Topic: Butterflylabs Huge SCAM - page 31. (Read 415652 times)

when did you get you units is the rub?

Searing

BFL = SCAM?

Yeah right, which is why the 3 jally I own have paid for themselves and returned a profit...and are still mining.
So, they sold gear that actually arrived and made me a profit, not a scam as far as I can see.

I guess you didn't actually purchase which I why you complain so much, or maybe you were so stupid that you believed you would be the only BTC miner in the world.

There is no scam here, some really poor customer service and over-pricing at times, but no scam.

SCAM
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=bfl

I'm in a similar boat -- I'm above break-even, but my ROI was significantly lower than what I'd imagined when I placed my order in April, 2013. All things considered, having my BFL's have given me the ability to mine and contribute back to the network. I'm still trying to decide if I'll just deprecate the units I have until they aren't worth running due to energy costs, or if it's better to sell them know second-hand.

Selling them gives me the chance to buy into coins directly... but there's just something addictive about running hardware to mine. I know, it's not rational, but oh well.

ROI is a funny thing. So far I have paid about £1000 for my various miners (erupter usb, blades, and 3 jally), and have made over 3 btc...at today's price £2100.
However, if I calculate the ROI for any individual asic I am always seriously disappointed.

I was about to preorder a Monarch and then stumbled on these forums... after seeing the mass amounts of complaints and extremely long time, I opted for some cubes instead.  Anybody receive their late 2013 preorders yet?

So you think your asic will give you positive ROI how fast?

Well, I can't really complain. I have 3 x 9.5 Ghs Jally's running happily. 2 separate orders, first was pre and took forever, but second one took just a few weeks.

i already have a few of the blue fury ASIC and its hit and miss. sometimes they work and sometimes they dont. at least not all at the same time. (and they are all on separate powered USB hubs.) im just not as trusting of the Bitfury, Bi-Fury or Blue/Red Fury as i am of the Chili's or Jala's that im using.

/facepalm

Order a Bitfury based ASIC, you can get 5gh/s @ 5watts for $350, And you'll have it shipped to you in <3days, it will arrive in Did i mention that they are compleatley silent and don't need a power brick?

I ordered one. Seems like a pretty good deal to me.

Thanks. Was thinking of their merch, but had questions too.

did anyone take part in BFL's big holiday blowout??? i got a few things since the price was right. now if only they will arrive before it to late to use them 

I have a lot of Raspberry Pis... they all use 5V PSUs. A few months back I bought some Chinese wall worts and used them with my Pis. The Pis ran fine... but when I happened to touch ground on one of the Pis and another grounded metal object nearby I got a massive continuous shock. A multimeter showed that 240vac was present between the USB charger's ground and earth. So now I make sure I test wall worts before use.

So yes, you could put 500v down a standard USB cable, the voltage isn't the issue, it's the Amps. A prolonged short circuit at high voltage will draw enough amps to destroy the cable.

I ordered a 30GH unit from BFL... I didn't think they'd deliver and it took ages... but to my astonishment they did deliver and the machine in question is working just fine. The PSU of the machine is big, more than adequately specc'ed for the purpose and certainly isn't "leaking" electricity.

My only gripe, apart from the delays, is that the unit I ordered and received didn't have a strong enough airflow to keep the chips running cool enough to avoid thermal throttling (at 21 deg C), but removal of the grilles on either side of the case fixed that problem.

BFL has made mistakes... Blackmagic Design has recently too with their incredibly late 4k cameras... but I think a lot of the issues BFL has been experiencing are self-fulfilling prophecies (our self-fulfilling prophecies).

I may not be a match for your ability to insult people, but my reading comprehension is just fine josh.

'There's no way a USB cable would support 120v, it would melt almost instantly the minute it touched anything.'


No amount of context makes that statement remotely correct. And in this case the context was that the guy actually measured 120V on the USB ground, he made no claims about any load. When I pointed out how ridiculous your statement was,  you "clarified"

'The guy was claiming that it shocked him and that it was plugged into his Jalapeno and also blew out the rest of his equipment... which would mean the wire would have to carry enough amps to do that, meaning it would melt @ 120v.'


Which is no more correct than your first statement, as common sense and basic knowledge of EE and ground loops would tell you, and as indicated by countless posts on your support forum. Your life threateningly shoddy PSUs are leaking 120V through the ground and to the USB, in many cases frying the electronics and tripping circuits, exactly as claimed in the first post you dismissed as impossible. So now its no longer impossible, or did I misread that too?

Only because you are so pathetic, you're not really worth anything more than that.

To answer you question: No and I've never maintained that... but again, you're too stupid to understand that I suppose.  Reading comprehension is a real trial for you, isn't it?

But lets talk about ad hominem attacks... I wonder who started it.  

Oh look, it was you!


Please, go ahead and cry some more when someone makes a mean at you after you act like a complete tool.  Waaaaaa.  Looks like our conversation is done, you are unable to hold an intelligent one.

Ah yes, no substance, only ad hominems. Tell me Josh, do you still maintain its impossible your customers measure 110V on their USB ports?

The customers aren't morons, it's just you.  Check the mirror.

Just today, 5 BFL customers reporting their PSU died, killing their miner in the process:
https://forums.butterflylabs.com/jalapeno-single-sc-support/6643-jalapeno-power-brick-died-usb-port-now-killed.html

Several more stories here, with power trips and even sparks reported from the USB  port:
"only just touched the port without even inserting and several bright sparks arced from the USB cable to the iMac"
https://forums.butterflylabs.com/jalapeno-single-sc-support/5989-safety-issue-jalapeno-causing-power-trips-sparking-usb-port.html

You think those were 12V arcs Josh? Yet strangely, not one reported their USB cable actually melted. But Im the moron right?

BTW no one seems able to get through to CS for an RMA, I guess that couldnt have anything to do with they COO being preoccupied with insulting people on other forums. A man in your function must prioritize.


edit: despite the broken english, this message is pretty darn crystal clear I think:

Problem is in power sources because besides regular output DC 13V 6A (as writen on bottom) passes through also part of AC from power grid. In Czech rep. we have 230V AC in grid and between DC output connector of powers ource and grounding pole in outlet was about 110V AC so about half voltage came through and was grounded by USB ports and ground wire in my PC PSU!!!
Lucky me that PC, three Jalapenos and also three Lancelot miners wasn't fried by these shity power sources...

https://forums.butterflylabs.com/jalapeno-single-sc-support/6213-my-circuit-breakers-keep-tripping-while-i-connected-my-5-gh-s-bitcoin-miner.html#post66627

110V on the USB ground. Where did we hear that before? No molten wires though. Now go tell your customers they are morons Josh, thats what you do best.

I was also extremely close to buying one! Super glade I went with my ASIC erupter.