Topic: Buy the DIP, and HODL! - page 542. (Read 122897 times)

One this people don't realize is that any time any day you see people Bitcoin is dead! Bitcoin is dead ! then it means that Bitcoin price at the bottom is over and is a sign that an upward trend will start soon. Is time to buy deep or regret later because it will be too late for you to cry when the head of cut off.

Oh?

So DCA does have a potential role in BTC portfolio management (BTC accumulation).

That's good.

By the way, I will mention that there is not really any objective right thing to do - except perhaps for guys/gals to attempt to assess their own situation as best as they can and attempt to calculate what would be best based on the totality of circumstances.

I have given some examples, but in this context, let me give three more examples in this context.

1)  if you have $500 per month coming in for BTC purchases, and you have not bought since September (in that case you have built up $2,500 in reserves), then you may well have a different set of considerations as someone who 2) may have decided to DCA half of the cashflow amount.. and therefore ONY has $1,250 in reserves.. or 3) someone who had DCA'd 1/2 and also bought at various dip points, and such person might not have as much in reserves (maybe $500 or $250?)...

And of course, there are various other variations of where anyone could be in terms of how much cashflow they have, how much cash in reserves they have and how much DCAing versus buying of dips that s/he has already done (and at what price points?) in these circumstances.

My fellow plebs, Bitcoin is “dead again”, and when Bitcoin is pronounced “dead again” by a low-IQ nocoiner, then in the context of this topic, you know what to do. You either buy the current DIP, then DCA, OR you start saving all your extra fiat and wait for a DIP.

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Do you have anything more concrete Wind_FURY?

Are you saying to buy or not?

Did you already buy during this dip?

Are you waiting for more dip?  

Remember this dip has been going on since about mid November.. we had one dip down in early December to $42k-ish and then a rebound to $52k and then this second dip down to $32,951... What's the strategy?  Just wing it?

My strategy, in case you don't know, would have been to have a DCA buying strategy throughout the whole period that is supplemented by buying on dips that are staggered down as far as you believe that the price might go.. without attempting to be too fancy about it... and if you end up running out of money then at least you continue with the DCA or otherwise just HODL through it.

Do you got something better than that?  or do you just want to say after the fact what "you should have done?"  DCA remains amongst the best of strategies for sure.. of course, it is not necessarily a bad idea to supplement your DCA'ing strategy with buying on dips so long as you do not get too smart for your own good by trying to time a dip that does not end up happening and then you end up being regretful while at the same time inadequately and insufficiently prepared for the UP when it does end up happening... and over and over again, we have seen in bitcoinlandia some periods in which king daddy goes into punishment mode and you should have been in during that time.. rather than fucking around with small insignificant values and waiting for a further 5% dip that does not end up happening.

We don’t know. You might not have the desire to buy at $38k, and it would not make sense to you, but for others it will. Michael Saylor bought Bitcoin priced at more than $50,000. Someone who wants to buy Opium from the dark market can buy Bitcoin anytime, at any price.


Good on you, you have some stablecoins to use to buy the DIP if the crash continues.

If we use the Dip buying strategy, the basic thing that we need to avoid is panic, because if we look at this now usually some people who can't control their panic they will rush to sell it again when the price of the asset they buy experiences a deeper decline so that it will make them loss.

There is absolutely no one way of dealing with the matter, and sure some ways will end up making more money, but you do not know in advance, and part of any strategy is to make sure that you don't screw yourself by being too greedy, even if you might have made more money from a particular strategy but you might have also ended up losing more because you do not end up getting in if the BTC price moves against you.

So ultimately any balance that you end up reaching should be one that makes you largely comfortable both financially and psychologically, and attempts to account for the BTC price moving in either direction.. including against you when you believe that there is a certain high level of the price moving in one direction and it ends up moving in the opposite direction.

Let's say for example, you have around $1k per month extra coming into your coffers through cashflow, and you already know your situation well enough that you know that that extra $1k per month can be used to invest in bitcoin or any other investment that you want. 

So even though you have a $1k per month BTC budget, you were nervous about how much BTC to buy on the way up between August and November when the BTC price rose into the upper $30ks and went all the way up to nearly $70k, and then you got nervous about how much of a dip to have bought on the way down but at the same time you were building up cash because you were not buying BTC with it between August and November... so if you have accumulated around $5k, and you are not sure when to pull the trigger on buying BTC, I would suggest that you would have been better just spending most of that extra cashflow (your $1k per month BTC budget) through the whole time even if some BTC would have cost you more than others and more than the maximum dip prices, but at least you would have been more actively and ongoingly engaged in just continued buying of BTC.....

On the other hand, there are also strategies in which you do not buy BTC with the whole $1k per month, but instead you buy with half of that amount such as $500 per month or some other variation that is comfortable for you...; but you may still end up having some similar levels of dilemma regarding how much to buy on the various dips and some ongoing accumulation of cash that is not being invested into BTC because you are ongoingly waiting for dips that may or may not come and then you are not sure about how much of a dip, even regarding the other half of your budget.

For example, some guys would have bought BTC with their extra cash all the way down to $33k, other guys would have run out of money long before $33k.. so there are going to be a variety of approaches and varying success levels and some of the approaches might pay off better than others if you are considering both the desire to be in BTC, and the difficulties in figuring out how much money to be hanging onto in terms of buying on more dips if those dips will come.. how far do you structure your buys on the way down and are there cases in which you actually run out of money because you did not believe that the BTC price was going to dip as much as it did?

 I have little sympathy for guys who end up getting burned and increase their emotions because they are not buying a sufficient amount of BTC on a regular basis, even though I do understand that they may well structure some of their BTC buys down to prices in which the BTC price will never go but they should be o.k. with that eventuality, too... because keeping BTC buy orders set up on the way down does cost some money to dedicate cash for such.. and we are not always going to be ready, willing or able to manually execute our BTC buy orders upon various dips that might happen quickly or at times that are not convenient for us to get to our computer (or phone) to manually execute such buy orders.

People listed their desire to buy at $34k. Does this mean they want to buy again at $38k? Does that make any sense? Do not misunderstand me. I would caution against buying in or FOMOing on the whole market right now. I personally have some Tether on hand. Honestly, I don't have a problem with it, because it's a fact. Volume is more important than price movement alone. Perhaps downward trend could continue? I hate to use that word. But let's be realistic.

You are presuming way too much goku19.

I am not against buying the dip, but it seems way more likely that Dollar Cost Averaging (DCA) buyers do better in terms of BTC accumulation than those who are trying to time the market... and DCA investing tends to be more practical than other forms of investing.. especially for newbies.. and surely applies way beyond newbie status, too.

Don't get me wrong.  If you have lump sums of value to invest into BTC, then there is likely no problem trying to strategize that lump sum to be employed into BTC accumulation on a dip, if you can figure out what is a dip and how much dip there is going to be.. which most of the time is very difficult to actually achieve in reality... especially if you are new to the asset class (and even if you are not).

There is plenty of evidence that the vast majority of normies hardly have any money to their names, so then at that point, they do not really have money to lump sum invest into BTC... so in that case, they ONLY have their regular cashflow and then the need to make a determination about whether to invest the excess of their cashflow into BTC as the cashflow comes in (a kind of DCAing) or to try to time the dip of the BTC price.. which could end up with the BTC price moving UP and against them and in that case they may well would have been better off just to buy regularly rather than waiting and then having the BTC price move up against them.

DCA is a very powerful strategy, so it is likely NOT too accurate to be generalizing and asserting that everyone is better off with buying on dips and ignoring the power of DCAing... when they are more likely better off by employing some form of DCA-focused strategy.

Another thing is that some people will end up learning more and more and more about bitcoin the longer that they are invested in bitcoin, and so part of the incentive should be to just get some stake in the game at any price, just to get started and have some incentive to learn based on having had already started to invest.   In that regard, once they start to invest, they might develop skills to become more attuned to be able to advantage from attempting to time BTC price bottoms.. but still I would conjecture that many folks are going to end up being way better off to have a certain quantity of their regular investment involved in regular DCAing (I like weekly) and perhaps just supplementing their BTC accumulation strategy with buying on dips and lump sum investing... perhaps even HODL.. if they run out of money to buy more on the dip when the BTC price ends up dipping more.


It's good to establish at least 4-10 year initial investment timelines, and to orient yourself towards building your BTC portfolio for the longer term.. and of course, the longer that you are in BTC, then you will be able to reassess how your BTC investment is doing in light of what were your initial goals and reasons for getting into BTC in the first place.  Back to the sentiment that there tends to be more value to having a lot of time in the market (BTC in this case) rather than trying to time the market (BTC in this case). 

It's not only the best choice but the right choice, for some people it's hard to spot an opportunity because instead of buying the dip, they dump due to panic. Well, they are the ones who are uneducated and has a little to no experience, they'll likely commit mistakes but hopefully they'll eventually learn and would still stay in the crypto space.

Buying the dip is always the best choice, I agree. I think that people who buy the dip only are the ones who make the most profit compared to the other type of investors. But they make that much profit in a long term of course. HODLers can lose and make lots of money on this road. But in the end, they will reach their goal as long as they are patient and don't panic-sell in this period.

Nahh I'm doing the opposite.

Selling?? What is the reason I will sell? I don't have any concrete reason to sell my Bitcoins right now but I have so many reasons to buy it. Dumps like this are opportunity for me and to those intelligent investors out there. TBH, I don't see the reason as well why investors are getting feared in this times. They see this as a problem but we see this as an opportunity to accumulate more Bitcoins. Lets fcking buy and hold and don't let Putin hold our coins. Let them buy at 6 digits.

Definitely, nothing can go wrong with this little but no secret formula in crypto market, but the dip and enjoy the ride. I mean no matter what, specially in crypto winter? this formula is still applicable, and it's one way to survived in this bearish cycle. So this dip is a "window of opportunity", the only caveat is that you need to have capital and mental toughness. But if you go over and won the psychological battle, for sure you will be rewarded in the future.

Plus market crashes, especially Bitcoin market crashes, are truly opportunities to buy Bitcoin with a discount. It’s the main reason why I don’t prefer to Bitcoin blindly at any price like DCA recommends. It’s a winning strategy if you count your investment in U.S. Dollars, but 1BTC = 1BTC and we should get more BTC with every purchase through buying DIPs.

Never get into panic sales or buys. Yes buy at dip and hold. Just have more patience and enjoy your own huge profits. But we find it hard to have patience. Not sure why. But yes it takes time to be so. Many learn it after loosing a lot. Just pile up as much as you can from your monthly income if possible as like saving small amounts in banks. This will help to increase the capital holdings and profits in future as well.

The current decline in the price of bitcoin certainly triggers panic for traders and makes them sell at a cheap price, so for those who believe in strong bitcoin fundamentals, they will certainly take advantage of their panic to buy at a low price in the market, I personally see if this is actually the case is the right time to increase our bitcoin holdings and hold it for a long time so that it will really benefit us later.

Are you selling your Bitcoins, sers? But what if I tell you that Putin is the buyer of your Bitcoins? Don’t sell them your precious coins! If they truly want it,wait for six digits, AND MAYBE they can have it. Buy the DIP, and HODL. Keep front-running them.

One thing we always forget is that when you dump a coin on an exchange, it is not the exchange that pick up that coin but a normal crypto enthusiast like you who love crypto and also have hope in the future of the market, I don't know the reason why we keep dumping our coin in fear when we know that the market will always recover and we can't lose all what we have gained, I think we should keep buying the dip.

Yes....   you are largely just repeating your dumb... over and over and over.. and trying to play gotcha when there is no gotcha there.

I have already addressed this.., including the need to put things into context.

Some calls are more reasonable than others, and none of us know the future.. including that BTC frequently performs outrageously to the upside and to the downside so hopefully on a personal level each of us are prepared for both.

Most likely you are not, and that is partly a result of your playing around and attempting to make BIG calls, when like I already mentioned many times, you would likely be way better off with dollar cost averaging.... and then just having orders set in case the price went down.  I have had orders down to $20k since October and before that, so surely I don't want the price to go down or expect it to go down, but I am prepared for such both psychologically and financially.  so hopefully you can learn and practice some good techniques rather than just screwing around with ongoing gotcha attempts... including now.. what are you doing?  are you buying or sitting on your hands?   maybe you should snap your lil selfie a wee bit better into the present , no?


Oh.. finally you recognize that there is a topic.  Great.

No, ser. I never make things up, ser. Let me quote you, ser.


I’m the stupid one in the forum, and I have always admitted to that, but even the stupid ones would know a charlatan when they see one.

Those charlatans who use layers of complexity in their language usually hide their incompetence through them, and when their ideas are questioned, they start flip-flopping and gaslight people. But we are off-topic, welcome to my ignore list, ser.