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January 12, 2025, 02:57:17 PM
Permit me to ask Sir, how does someone apply this DCA that is always mentioned here if the person does not have like a regular job. What I mean is someone who do business that brings profits in a way you cannot calculate when it will come. Sorry if this question have already been asked because the little I know about the DCA method is that it involves investing in Bitcoin at a regular interval of time like weekly or month as the case may be. You know someone running a business like me might find this very challenging to keep up with the requirement of weekly or monthly investment because sometimes business bring so much profits but sometimes the profit is not much plus delays can happen too.

Let me be a little open to you so that you can guide me properly. I do many small businesses and I will use one to for example. I run small export business of consumables to my friends overseas who do still eat our local foods over there. I buy and send to them base on demand, not that it is on a large scale and depending on what they demand, I will use flight or send through shipping lines. Through flight is faster but cost more to send and reduces my profits while shipping takes more time but cost less to send thereby increasing my profits. This is one of the reason for the irregular income I stated before and the reason I want more guidance on this if I can start using the DCA method to invest in Bitcoin.

Thank you as I await your response.

The first adjustment step in investing is of course a fixed income or you have a permanent job with a regular salary every month, discretionary income is a goal that you can use to invest in Bitcoin.

The second step you can choose which strategy is comfortable for you to apply in Bitcoin accumulation, of course my advice is still DCA.

The third is a determination to invest for old age, if you do not target for the period you can choose 10 years. That way you will be well concentrated to accumulate bitcoin.
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January 12, 2025, 02:33:24 PM
Shitcoins are not to be trusted, I once invested in a particular shitcoin coin and I lost my money, people who are investing on shitcoins are taking huge risk.
That's why never believe to what people are telling that they're winning in shitcoins. Let's say out of 100 people that invests there, maybe less than 10 are actually winning.

Bitcoin investment is the best investment and I will advise we hold for long term since it's volatile in nature, holding for long term will prevent the nagative impact of it's volatility.
Say this to the shitcoiners but, you do you. It's your money, it is their money and we're in a free market to decide but I am all in for Bitcoin.
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January 12, 2025, 01:02:15 PM
This method will really be useless if those scam devs do their rug pull schemes that's why its better avoid doing shit stuff with those thing and just better focus on more realistic investment with Bitcoin.
Yes, the strategy can certainly be applicable to other assets if it can be applied to the appropriate resources. Dollar-Cost Averaging (DCA) is a suitable and excellent strategy, especially for assets like Bitcoin. It may also be applicable to other assets, provided they are not associated with scams and have the potential for future value appreciation. DCA can be a suitable or excellent strategy for any asset that is appreciating in value, as long as it is not involved in any fraudulent activities.

Particularly if you are planning to invest in shitcoins, I would like to warn you upfront. In shitcoin investments, you cannot rely on strategies to protect yourself from loss. Investing in shitcoins means your money is at risk, just like in gambling. Investing in shitcoins is akin to gambling, where entering means you are likely to lose money or have a higher chance of loss.

For investment, I would certainly recommend Bitcoin and advise a long-term approach. In this regard, the DCA strategy is the safest strategy for Bitcoin investments.
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January 12, 2025, 12:56:32 PM
Bitcoin is one of the most popular digital currency and currently the price of Bitcoin is at the highest position beyond all previous records. So if you buy Bitcoin and keep that Bitcoin in a wallet but you don't think carefully about the security of that wallet then Bitcoin can be lost from your wallet at any time.
One of the few things we need to know before investing in Bitcoin is keeping our wallet safe (That's a little knowledge of Bitcoin investing). Things that are important in bitcoin investment like buying bitcoin regularly, holding bitcoin investment for long time, achieving financial stability, i.e. creating a specific source of income. Another important point is to ensure the safety of your invested bitcoins. Maybe it would be much safer for all of us to use cold storage wallets to safely store our bitcoin investments.

Here is a detailed discussion on how to keep your wallet safe, visit this link.
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Still, most countries in the world do not want their people to use Bitcoin without keeping money in the bank.
If you have little knowledge about Bitcoin investment then why would you keep your money in the bank like a fool. You may know that no one can control Bitcoin so the people of that country can invest in Bitcoin even if the country and government don't want it, Maybe you should do that too. You can invest in Bitcoin as you wish.
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We see the biggest reason behind not letting people use Bitcoin is that if the people of their country invest in Bitcoin instead of keeping money in the bank, the economic condition of their country will deteriorate.
Your statement is not reasonable because who told you that if a country i.e. if the people of a country invest in bitcoins instead of keeping money in banks then the economic condition of that country deteriorates. Have you not heard of El Salvador, who has already declared bitcoin legalization since then this country has improved a lot and the economy of this country has improved a lot with bitcoin investment.
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January 12, 2025, 12:46:33 PM
I quiet agree with you because the fact is that DCA knows kind of investment plans doesn't work for shitcoins because some of these coins the growth rate over a given period is very low so in terms of bringing back value on investment is not there so applying DCA to such investment will be wast of time

Actually the DCA method is always suitable for buying any asset in terms of investment, but it will be more useful if the method is only used on assets or coins that have been proven to be good like Bitcoin so that the steps we take are really useful in the long run.
This is actually crazy in my own opinion because the way Bitcoin is structured, it is more better and more beneficial to hold for a very long time unlike all this  alit and shit coin that blossom for a very short while, and crash drastically later, so utilizing the DCA accumulating strategy on alt or shit coin is really a terrible idea too me because for you to use such a accumulation method, it shows that you are going long term, and holding alt or shit coin short term is very dangerous, talkless of holding for long term, it is really a terrible thing to do as an investor.
So it is best you backtrack on such idea of yours if you care for your hard earned money.
Applying DCA method to invest altcoins can be consider to be a big risk because this coins are not reliable,  just imagine you are accumulating a coin that you are not even sure what the future of the coin will be in the market. Bitcoin have good value and it is very okay to use DCA method to accumulate bitcoin. Their is no point using DCA method to invest altcoins because the value of altcoins can't be predicted. There are some investment that is good for bitcoin but very risky to apply same strategies on altcoins because they are not the same to bitcoin.  When it comes to investment it is just better to concentrate in bitcoin and never to lose focus to think of investing in Bitcoin because it can end up very bad.
To invest in DCA method, you need to choose assets that are reliable or growing in the long term. Bitcoin can be the best example of such assets. If you plan to do DCA in all assets, then you are throwing your money into the fire. Because DCA is not possible in the short term, you must be long-term. If you choose assets for long-term investment where there is no clear idea about the future, then doing DCA means you are throwing your money into the fire with planned patience. Because, shitcoin has no future or there is no high possibility of profit.

If you are thinking about real estate investment, then you need to choose assets whose future value is increasing. The best example of real estate investment can be gold. You can choose gold as a real estate investment to diversify your investment. My first choice for investing in DCA is Bitcoin and I would like to invest in gold to diversify my investment. Both of these resources are eligible or trustworthy for DCA.
You are getting yourself confused with the type of long-term assets. Real Estate means investing in buildings and rent them out. While gold is another form of asset under precious metal and the best of all. Bitcoin falls under digital asset. So you should understand the differences. However, it's good that a newbie should only focus on building and growing his bitcoin investment portfolio with DCA for gradual increase weekly or monthly and if you have the funds to lump sum, you do that overtime provided you keep your bitcoin accumulation journey ongoing for 4-10 years and above.

It's bad for you to start thinking to diversify at an early stage of your bitcoin accumulation journey because it will distract you and you can lose focus of achieving your bitcoin target which waa your initial goal. Currently, I think Bitcoin is obe of the best asset that can generate good profit overtime than any other asset. So it's better to stay focus on building and growing your bitcoin portfolio first. However, if you feel that you have more than enough Bitcoin in your possession, you can diversify to any asset of your choice but make sure that you have a good knowledge on how to diversify so that you don't mess things up yourself.
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January 12, 2025, 12:32:57 PM
I quiet agree with you because the fact is that DCA knows kind of investment plans doesn't work for shitcoins because some of these coins the growth rate over a given period is very low so in terms of bringing back value on investment is not there so applying DCA to such investment will be wast of time

Actually the DCA method is always suitable for buying any asset in terms of investment, but it will be more useful if the method is only used on assets or coins that have been proven to be good like Bitcoin so that the steps we take are really useful in the long run.
This is actually crazy in my own opinion because the way Bitcoin is structured, it is more better and more beneficial to hold for a very long time unlike all this  alit and shit coin that blossom for a very short while, and crash drastically later, so utilizing the DCA accumulating strategy on alt or shit coin is really a terrible idea too me because for you to use such a accumulation method, it shows that you are going long term, and holding alt or shit coin short term is very dangerous, talkless of holding for long term, it is really a terrible thing to do as an investor.
So it is best you backtrack on such idea of yours if you care for your hard earned money.
Applying DCA method to invest altcoins can be consider to be a big risk because this coins are not reliable,  just imagine you are accumulating a coin that you are not even sure what the future of the coin will be in the market. Bitcoin have good value and it is very okay to use DCA method to accumulate bitcoin. Their is no point using DCA method to invest altcoins because the value of altcoins can't be predicted. There are some investment that is good for bitcoin but very risky to apply same strategies on altcoins because they are not the same to bitcoin.  When it comes to investment it is just better to concentrate in bitcoin and never to lose focus to think of investing in Bitcoin because it can end up very bad.
To invest in DCA method, you need to choose assets that are reliable or growing in the long term. Bitcoin can be the best example of such assets. If you plan to do DCA in all assets, then you are throwing your money into the fire. Because DCA is not possible in the short term, you must be long-term. If you choose assets for long-term investment where there is no clear idea about the future, then doing DCA means you are throwing your money into the fire with planned patience. Because, shitcoin has no future or there is no high possibility of profit.

If you are thinking about real estate investment, then you need to choose assets whose future value is increasing. The best example of real estate investment can be gold. You can choose gold as a real estate investment to diversify your investment. My first choice for investing in DCA is Bitcoin and I would like to invest in gold to diversify my investment. Both of these resources are eligible or trustworthy for DCA.
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January 12, 2025, 11:31:33 AM
I quiet agree with you because the fact is that DCA knows kind of investment plans doesn't work for shitcoins because some of these coins the growth rate over a given period is very low so in terms of bringing back value on investment is not there so applying DCA to such investment will be wast of time

Actually the DCA method is always suitable for buying any asset in terms of investment, but it will be more useful if the method is only used on assets or coins that have been proven to be good like Bitcoin so that the steps we take are really useful in the long run.
This is actually crazy in my own opinion because the way Bitcoin is structured, it is more better and more beneficial to hold for a very long time unlike all this  alit and shit coin that blossom for a very short while, and crash drastically later, so utilizing the DCA accumulating strategy on alt or shit coin is really a terrible idea too me because for you to use such a accumulation method, it shows that you are going long term, and holding alt or shit coin short term is very dangerous, talkless of holding for long term, it is really a terrible thing to do as an investor.
So it is best you backtrack on such idea of yours if you care for your hard earned money.
Applying DCA method to invest altcoins can be consider to be a big risk because this coins are not reliable,  just imagine you are accumulating a coin that you are not even sure what the future of the coin will be in the market. Bitcoin have good value and it is very okay to use DCA method to accumulate bitcoin. Their is no point using DCA method to invest altcoins because the value of altcoins can't be predicted. There are some investment that is good for bitcoin but very risky to apply same strategies on altcoins because they are not the same to bitcoin.  When it comes to investment it is just better to concentrate in bitcoin and never to lose focus to think of investing in Bitcoin because it can end up very bad.
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January 12, 2025, 10:18:34 AM
I quiet agree with you because the fact is that DCA knows kind of investment plans doesn't work for shitcoins because some of these coins the growth rate over a given period is very low so in terms of bringing back value on investment is not there so applying DCA to such investment will be wast of time

First off.  You did not need to cite my whole post in order to make your point.

Second, it seems that DCA is best applied to projects that have long term value, such as BTC, and so it can become quite problematic when folks apply DCA to shitcoins, and so in those kinds of cases, the DCA might cause the loss of more money as compared to if they had not applied DCA to such crap.

So yeah, I think that the point is that we should be careful if we are going to apply DCA to something like a shitcoin, since surely it could take a bit of time to even reasonably that the shitcoin is even worth investing into in the first place, and so many times, with shitcoins, the presumption should be that they are not worth investing into unless you can figure out some angle to invest into them, and even if you conclude to invest into them  it may well be ONLY really justified as a trade (to get in and out) rather than trying to stay invested in them in long term ways that is way more justified for something like bitcoin... and yeah, even with bitcoin, there could be some risks, concerns or even timeline considerations that a person might have, so frequently people have to also figure out reasonable amounts that they can invest based on their own particulars, including but not limited to the levels of their discretionary income and perhaps the extent to which their cashflows might be consistent enough in order to justify a decision to invest into bitcoin for 4-10 years or longer rather than merely coming to bitcoin from a perspective that aims to trade it on a shorter than 4-year timeline.
Permit me to ask Sir, how does someone apply this DCA that is always mentioned here if the person does not have like a regular job. What I mean is someone who do business that brings profits in a way you cannot calculate when it will come. Sorry if this question have already been asked because the little I know about the DCA method is that it involves investing in Bitcoin at a regular interval of time like weekly or month as the case may be. You know someone running a business like me might find this very challenging to keep up with the requirement of weekly or monthly investment because sometimes business bring so much profits but sometimes the profit is not much plus delays can happen too.

Let me be a little open to you so that you can guide me properly. I do many small businesses and I will use one to for example. I run small export business of consumables to my friends overseas who do still eat our local foods over there. I buy and send to them base on demand, not that it is on a large scale and depending on what they demand, I will use flight or send through shipping lines. Through flight is faster but cost more to send and reduces my profits while shipping takes more time but cost less to send thereby increasing my profits. This is one of the reason for the irregular income I stated before and the reason I want more guidance on this if I can start using the DCA method to invest in Bitcoin.

Thank you as I await your response.
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January 12, 2025, 09:15:23 AM
I quiet agree with you because the fact is that DCA knows kind of investment plans doesn't work for shitcoins because some of these coins the growth rate over a given period is very low so in terms of bringing back value on investment is not there so applying DCA to such investment will be wast of time

Actually the DCA method is always suitable for buying any asset in terms of investment, but it will be more useful if the method is only used on assets or coins that have been proven to be good like Bitcoin so that the steps we take are really useful in the long run. Because in general the method is to buy with the ability that we have so that it is not at all burdensome for us as buyers, but if we do it on coins that are not good, of course the method is useless because we apply it to the wrong assets. So just use the method in collecting Bitcoin and consider it a smarter investment step than our own life.

It maybe generally used for any suitable asset but it doesn't mean that its also good to apply on some shitcoins out there since they are just wasting their money also effort if they think about paying some attention with those scams.

If they used it for those ideal asset like Bitcoin then provably that they will never be wrong from applying that method in that coin.

This method will really be useless if those scam devs do their rug pull schemes that's why its better avoid doing shit stuff with those thing and just better focus on more realistic investment with Bitcoin.

DCA is a strategy for purchasing investment assets periodically. However, what is certain is that the asset to be invested in must have a promising market cycle or volatility. Because if, for example, we do DCA on altcoins or what are usually called junk coins, it is clear that this will not be effective. Because Trash Coin certainly doesn't have a definite cycle like Bitcoin, so the price of the Trash Coin we buy could be zero. Because the important point we have to remember here is that altcoins are centralized, which means that at some point the coin can have its liquidity taken away by the creator of the coin. So clearly the price can drop to zero. If that's the case, we will definitely experience total loss and won't be able to do anything. That's why I don't think there is an effective purchasing method for investing in junk coins. Because in the end it will definitely remain the same, namely you will experience losses.

In contrast to bitcoin, as we know, bitcoin is decentralized, which means that no party can take liquidity in bitcoin. Therefore, the potential for Bitcoin to experience a price decline to zero is certainly quite impossible. Moreover, currently Bitcoin has gained the trust of many people and even countries. Therefore, this will certainly strengthen Bitcoin so that it can continue to experience price increases. Therefore, Bitcoin investment is suitable for purchasing with all kinds of strategies.
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January 12, 2025, 08:49:59 AM
I quiet agree with you because the fact is that DCA knows kind of investment plans doesn't work for shitcoins because some of these coins the growth rate over a given period is very low so in terms of bringing back value on investment is not there so applying DCA to such investment will be wast of time

Actually the DCA method is always suitable for buying any asset in terms of investment, but it will be more useful if the method is only used on assets or coins that have been proven to be good like Bitcoin so that the steps we take are really useful in the long run.
This is actually crazy in my own opinion because the way Bitcoin is structured, it is more better and more beneficial to hold for a very long time unlike all this  alit and shit coin that blossom for a very short while, and crash drastically later, so utilizing the DCA accumulating strategy on alt or shit coin is really a terrible idea too me because for you to use such a accumulation method, it shows that you are going long term, and holding alt or shit coin short term is very dangerous, talkless of holding for long term, it is really a terrible thing to do as an investor.
So it is best you backtrack on such idea of yours if you care for your hard earned money.

Shitcoins are not to be trusted, I once invested in a particular shitcoin coin and I lost my money, people who are investing on shitcoins are taking huge risk.
Bitcoin investment is the best investment and I will advise we hold for long term since it's volatile in nature, holding for long term will prevent the nagative impact of it's volatility.
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January 12, 2025, 07:30:46 AM
I quiet agree with you because the fact is that DCA knows kind of investment plans doesn't work for shitcoins because some of these coins the growth rate over a given period is very low so in terms of bringing back value on investment is not there so applying DCA to such investment will be wast of time

Actually the DCA method is always suitable for buying any asset in terms of investment, but it will be more useful if the method is only used on assets or coins that have been proven to be good like Bitcoin so that the steps we take are really useful in the long run.
This is actually crazy in my own opinion because the way Bitcoin is structured, it is more better and more beneficial to hold for a very long time unlike all this  alit and shit coin that blossom for a very short while, and crash drastically later, so utilizing the DCA accumulating strategy on alt or shit coin is really a terrible idea too me because for you to use such a accumulation method, it shows that you are going long term, and holding alt or shit coin short term is very dangerous, talkless of holding for long term, it is really a terrible thing to do as an investor.
So it is best you backtrack on such idea of yours if you care for your hard earned money.
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January 12, 2025, 07:09:00 AM
I quiet agree with you because the fact is that DCA knows kind of investment plans doesn't work for shitcoins because some of these coins the growth rate over a given period is very low so in terms of bringing back value on investment is not there so applying DCA to such investment will be wast of time

Actually the DCA method is always suitable for buying any asset in terms of investment, but it will be more useful if the method is only used on assets or coins that have been proven to be good like Bitcoin so that the steps we take are really useful in the long run. Because in general the method is to buy with the ability that we have so that it is not at all burdensome for us as buyers, but if we do it on coins that are not good, of course the method is useless because we apply it to the wrong assets. So just use the method in collecting Bitcoin and consider it a smarter investment step than our own life.

It maybe generally used for any suitable asset but it doesn't mean that its also good to apply on some shitcoins out there since they are just wasting their money also effort if they think about paying some attention with those scams.

If they used it for those ideal asset like Bitcoin then provably that they will never be wrong from applying that method in that coin.

This method will really be useless if those scam devs do their rug pull schemes that's why its better avoid doing shit stuff with those thing and just better focus on more realistic investment with Bitcoin.
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January 12, 2025, 06:58:20 AM
I quiet agree with you because the fact is that DCA knows kind of investment plans doesn't work for shitcoins because some of these coins the growth rate over a given period is very low so in terms of bringing back value on investment is not there so applying DCA to such investment will be wast of time
The Dollar-Cost Averaging (DCA) technique is not effective for Shitcoins or low-value cryptocurrencies.    Because the long-term growth and sustainability potential of such currencies is very low. Many Shitcoins lose value over time and reach absolute zero.    As a result regular investment through DCA will never be profitable.  It's just a waste of time and money.

The dollar-cost averaging (DCA) strategy is a powerful and popular investment method. Where an asset is purchased for a fixed amount of money on a regular basis. This is especially useful in long-term projects like Bitcoin. In assets like Bitcoin, which have strong technology behind them and future prospects, DCA makes a good way to profit from market volatility. However, this strategy does not apply to all types of assets. DCA can never be considered to be applied to a volatile project like Shitcoin. Because Shitcoins never have a long term. No matter which method you invest in Shitcoin, you are bound to lose.    Shitcoins are a lot like gambling. To succeed here you have to rely mostly on luck.

Shitcoins are more likely to lose value in the long run because they lack the necessary practical basis behind them. Consequently, such investments have the potential for large losses rather than gains.    Shitcoins are generally suitable for short-term trading. On the other hand, before using DCA in a project like Bitcoin, it is important for the investor to consider his financial situation, income and long-term goals. DCA strategy is a powerful investment method with proper knowledge and caution.

Anyone who's thinking about investing in shitcoins no matter the kind of strategy he or she wants to use is in a big risk and should be ready to lose his or her money, shitcoins are never an option when it comes to investment because they have high chance of being a scam, is never something you should rely on, now DCA strategy is something one do on a weekly or monthly base and one can decide to continue doing it for some years in other to be able to accumulate enough and as such needs an investment that is reliable like Bitcoin, if you use this kind of strategy to invest in shitcoins you will likely see it losing value along the line and your money dropping which mostly cause depression and frustration in the life of some person's.
The reason why Bitcoin is always more reliable and trustworthy than shitcoins are,
1. Bitcoin has a decentralized system meaning no one can control Bitcoin it highly resistant to censorship, attacks, or manipulation by government or anyone not even the creator of Bitcoin, but shitcoins are centralized system they are always controlled, attack and manipulated by there creators and other set of people.
2. For years now almost 16 years Bitcoin has been in existence and growing stronger, valuable, Bitcoin has proven a good record over the years.
3. Bitcoin’s supply is capped at 21 million coins, ensuring scarcity and deflationary tendencies over time this alone makes Bitcoin valuable but shitcoins are not like that it can always be added by there creators making it lose value.
Shitcoins are never an option when it comes to investment it has proven that already, I know a lot of people who have lost there money in shitcoins.
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January 12, 2025, 06:56:08 AM
It is natural for everyone to have different preferences and tastes, and forcing someone to do something is never the right way. Especially when it comes to Bitcoin investment. Bitcoin is an investment that will never guarantee anyone a profit, Bitcoin is a long-term potential currency.

Now you have told your friend or anyone you know about Bitcoin investment, he hesitated to invest, but you convinced him to invest with a lot of assurance, and he invested as you said, now Bitcoin did not pump as you expected after a certain period of time (after 2 or 3 years), but rather it started dumping more, then he will become very scared, and he may ask you for his invested money back, and he will completely blame you for this. You may know that Bitcoin will pump after some more time, but at that time he will not believe you in any way, and will continue to be angry with you.

So never force anyone to invest in Bitcoin, you do not know whether Bitcoin will actually pump in the future, that is why when you force someone to invest in Bitcoin, and Bitcoin does not give you the return you expected after a certain period of time, then the entire blame will fall on you. You will only be limited to giving advice, never force. Let them make their own decisions by analyzing their own judgment, if they can really understand the possibilities of Bitcoin, then they will want to invest in Bitcoin on their own, otherwise you do not need to force them.

Mate well said, in regards to any investment be it Bitcoin investment or any other investment, personal decision surpass any external advise because Bitcoin investment specifically has they way it operates so any interested investor must take responsibility of whatever decision he or she takes to avoid blame, some people enjoy blame games as if they profit they will share it with other people this is why we shouldn't decide for people or persuade them to invest in Bitcoin, some  people feel that as you invest in Bitcoin you will start profiting immediately not knowing that Bitcoin investment has a process that each investor must follow in other to scale through to the future.

Though I understand that some people are full of doubt and for me that's more reason why we shouldn't force anyone to  invest in Bitcoin in the first place, the fact is volatility favour either ways of the market at any given time but at the early stage of some investor in the investment they may not understand such fact as such it may begin to make them shiver if the price eventually drops below the amount they invested with and the may be push to start blaming you for leading them into the investment since they do not understand the concepts of Bitcoin investment, mate your conclusions are right, i think it's a right thing if we don't persuade people to invest so that we will be free from blame if anything eventually occurs.
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January 12, 2025, 05:55:57 AM
I quiet agree with you because the fact is that DCA knows kind of investment plans doesn't work for shitcoins because some of these coins the growth rate over a given period is very low so in terms of bringing back value on investment is not there so applying DCA to such investment will be wast of time

Actually the DCA method is always suitable for buying any asset in terms of investment, but it will be more useful if the method is only used on assets or coins that have been proven to be good like Bitcoin so that the steps we take are really useful in the long run. Because in general the method is to buy with the ability that we have so that it is not at all burdensome for us as buyers, but if we do it on coins that are not good, of course the method is useless because we apply it to the wrong assets. So just use the method in collecting Bitcoin and consider it a smarter investment step than our own life.
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January 12, 2025, 05:21:43 AM
I quiet agree with you because the fact is that DCA knows kind of investment plans doesn't work for shitcoins because some of these coins the growth rate over a given period is very low so in terms of bringing back value on investment is not there so applying DCA to such investment will be wast of time
The Dollar-Cost Averaging (DCA) technique is not effective for Shitcoins or low-value cryptocurrencies.    Because the long-term growth and sustainability potential of such currencies is very low. Many Shitcoins lose value over time and reach absolute zero.    As a result regular investment through DCA will never be profitable.  It's just a waste of time and money.

The dollar-cost averaging (DCA) strategy is a powerful and popular investment method. Where an asset is purchased for a fixed amount of money on a regular basis. This is especially useful in long-term projects like Bitcoin. In assets like Bitcoin, which have strong technology behind them and future prospects, DCA makes a good way to profit from market volatility. However, this strategy does not apply to all types of assets. DCA can never be considered to be applied to a volatile project like Shitcoin. Because Shitcoins never have a long term. No matter which method you invest in Shitcoin, you are bound to lose.    Shitcoins are a lot like gambling. To succeed here you have to rely mostly on luck.

Shitcoins are more likely to lose value in the long run because they lack the necessary practical basis behind them. Consequently, such investments have the potential for large losses rather than gains.    Shitcoins are generally suitable for short-term trading. On the other hand, before using DCA in a project like Bitcoin, it is important for the investor to consider his financial situation, income and long-term goals. DCA strategy is a powerful investment method with proper knowledge and caution.
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January 12, 2025, 03:36:25 AM
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I quiet agree with you because the fact is that DCA knows kind of investment plans doesn't work for shitcoins because some of these coins the growth rate over a given period is very low so in terms of bringing back value on investment is not there so applying DCA to such investment will be wast of time

First off.  You did not need to cite my whole post in order to make your point.

Second, it seems that DCA is best applied to projects that have long term value, such as BTC, and so it can become quite problematic when folks apply DCA to shitcoins, and so in those kinds of cases, the DCA might cause the loss of more money as compared to if they had not applied DCA to such crap.

So yeah, I think that the point is that we should be careful if we are going to apply DCA to something like a shitcoin, since surely it could take a bit of time to even reasonably that the shitcoin is even worth investing into in the first place, and so many times, with shitcoins, the presumption should be that they are not worth investing into unless you can figure out some angle to invest into them, and even if you conclude to invest into them  it may well be ONLY really justified as a trade (to get in and out) rather than trying to stay invested in them in long term ways that is way more justified for something like bitcoin... and yeah, even with bitcoin, there could be some risks, concerns or even timeline considerations that a person might have, so frequently people have to also figure out reasonable amounts that they can invest based on their own particulars, including but not limited to the levels of their discretionary income and perhaps the extent to which their cashflows might be consistent enough in order to justify a decision to invest into bitcoin for 4-10 years or longer rather than merely coming to bitcoin from a perspective that aims to trade it on a shorter than 4-year timeline.

I open up a thread here: Something to pounder for crypto enthusiast regarding LA wildfire. Probably this could be a wake up call for the rest of us to have a good practice on how to protect our keys in case of a natural disaster like what had happened in Los Angeles.

There could be several, like having your private key stash somewhere outside your home, or maybe in safety deposit box in a bank. Because just imagine if you hide everything at your home, with your keys and your hardware devices, and the amount is more than your home itself. And then going home to see that everything is on smoke.  Cry

And you have been buying in the dip and HODLing it for too long.
Having multiple backup options for your keys is really a good move. You never know what could happen, so spreading them out in different secure places can really give you peace of mind. You just have be  prepared for whatever life throws at us especially with how unpredictable natural disasters can be. Always make sure that you stay ahead of whatever comes.  It's all about your long-term preparation and making sure that all the effort you have put into buying the dips and HODLing pays off. If one method fails, having your keys secured in different ways gives you that hope and assurance that your hard work isn't lost. It's a smart strategy to keep your investments safe.
I don't think this is a smart strategy at all, if you spread your wallet key in different places then it will be more likely to be noticed by different people. For example, I have written my wallet key in a notebook and I keep it in a safe place as it will definitely be safe from fire, water and natural disasters.
Whenever you store your wallet key in multiple places, if one copy of it is lost immediately then your wallet can be hacked but you will not know it. So it is never a smart strategy to store your wallet key in multiple places.

Of course, there are trade offs in regards to different approaches to safeguard private keys, and perhaps you have found an approach that is really good for your own particular situation, yet your approach might not necessarily be good enough for another person with different personal circumstances.  Claiming that you have a perfect system seems a bit problematic, especially when we know that there is variance in the way that guys hold their keys, and I doubt that you are the ONLY one who has the perfectly correct approach, even if it were to be true that your approach were to be perfectly correct for you and your situation.

For sure natural disaster can take various forms, and even if we took several precautions in regards to our private keys, we might have had made mistakes, so for example, maybe in the LA fire example, we had some kind of a hardware wallet, and we had back up keys in our house and then another set of back up keys in another building on the property (if we are so lucky as to have another building available to us, such as a shed or a garage), but then if our backups are on paper, then they might have all gotten damaged.. and a similar thing can happen in a hurricane or tropical storm zone in which the kind of disaster is different, and potentially leave us vulnerable if our backups are not sufficiently geographically separated. 

Some people do not even have access to any location other than their living location, which might not be a lot of places to store/hide backups, and surely the more value that we hold, the more important it becomes to spend more time and potentially money in protecting our value. 

Surely with some of the burnt homes there might have been people storing a lot, if not all of their wealth in their houses, and so then if their house burned down, they would likely needed some kind of an insurance policy, since it could be difficult to self-insure.. and if a person had residential property and also had bitcoin, then maybe they ONLY lost half if they had secured the bitcoin properly, yet surely it is difficult to presume that everyone who might have had bitcoin in the fires had secured their bitcoin sufficiently (or maybe they got lucky and their backups did not end up getting destroyed... or maybe if they had notice before they evacuated, they were able to take their backups with them?)..

Surely there can be a lot of kinds of value besides the personal residence or the bitcoin, and also some folks put a lot of time and energy into building and organizing their personal (and perhaps work?) space, and so there could be a lot of loss in regards to various organization systems that a person might have established in their personal residence.... There could have had been value in having had built neighborhood relations too.
This was exactly what I was arguing or should I rather say discussing with a friend few days back, he argued that storing your seed phrase offline is the best and most secure method of seed storage, and while I agreed with him to an extent, I was still trying to remind him that offline storage is still not 100% secure as something could still go wrong and his storage option could be affected, using the LA fire outbreak as an example I was able to explain to him the dangers and limitations of offline storages too. Even when one chooses to use multiple backups, there’s still every possibility of damage or loss. For example, having backup phrases on paper and safely securing it in a place on your house may only guarantee some level of protection and safety to one’s assets as it is still very vulnerable in the face of fire, water or other natural disasters.

Indeed, geographical separation of the backup phrases may also be able to mitigate the risks totally losing everything but like we know, not everyone has access to different safe locations, which also makes it very difficult to access this alternative.

So that led us to the big question, since we can’t feel safe secure our backup phrases online due to fear of hackers and online theft, and neither can we feel completely safe securing our backup phrases offline for fear of losing them to thieves and natural disasters, where/what then is the safest place or method of storing our wallet data, where we can completely feel safe without having to worry about threats?

I doubt that I know the answers to these questions, and surely there are some consulting services that will help people with their custody choices, and surely, the more value that we have, the more we might find it to be helpful to collaborate regarding our set up and possible alternatives and/or possible threats to our model..  and we might not even need to disclose all of the details of our set up in order to consult about our set up, yet surely sometimes we don't even want to consult with anyone, so we are left to figure out our security and hope that we have adequately covered most (if not all) scenarios that are likely to occur.

Of course, there is multi-signature too, yet I think that one of the most common reasons that people lose their coins is due to overly complicating their security set-up and then forgetting all of the steps or not properly communicating such steps prior to their death or incapacitation. 

I have discussed some aspects of my set up in the past, yet even I know some areas that my coins are vulnerable, so it is not like I necessarily want to publicly disclose every thing that I do or even to discuss some of the areas that I consider vulnerabilities.

of course, guys can have some coins in hot wallet or medium wallet or cold wallet, and so the hotter the wallet the easier they are to get to, and even the cold wallets could have time locks or even geographical separation between keys, yet there could be problems in those kinds of set ups too. 

There are some set ups that require putting the various parts together before signing is possible, which causes vulnerabilities when the parts are put together, and there are possibilities that might involve 3 out of 5 or some other quantity of signatures, but the three do not have to come together geographically, so I cannot claim to know how to employ all of these various options, especially since there are also folks coming up with new systems that might contribute to complications that may or may not be helpful for guys who might be trying to figure out more straight-forward approaches.. and maybe newbies do not need to have any of these systems in place, yet the larger the stack size, then it seems to become more important to increase security measures at least in regards to some of the stash.. but then even if some stash is a lot, and maybe it is not touched very frequently, it still might need to be tested on a regular basis, quarterly, yearly once every two years.. or something.. some of the timelocks that go 50 years into the future scare me, but it could be a variation of security that might be employed in shorter timelines, including deadman switches and various things that might not be very necessary for smaller amounts of coins.

Another thing is that if the BTC goes up a lot in a short period of time, we might not realize that our hot wallet turned into a vulnerability...

Recall thr0ugh much of 2015, BTC prices were around $250 for much of the year.  Let's say that a person was planning to buy a car with bitcoin (or maybe he sold a car for bitcoin), and so he had something like $10k on his phone, and he was thinking that he would move it to cold storage, but then he forgot about it... so $10k in 2015 might have been around 40 BTC, yet in late 2017 (just two years later), for a short period of time, the same 40 BTC were worth $800k, so surely a guy might have found himself to be very vulnerable if he had not remembered that he had that wallet with 40 BTC on his phone in 2015 that had grown from $10k to $800k and then putting himself in a position of real bad vulnerabilties if anyone had known about him having that quantity of BTC on his phone.

Many of us likely have heard about sloppy security practices, and sure maybe it is not as BIG of a deal if the value is not as much, so maybe we might even purposefully have $1k to $2k on our phone because we are specifically going to make a purchase with someone who wants to transact in bitcoin, yet sometimes we might get busy in life and not realize some ways in which we had failed to increase our security after we should have known that the value of the wallet had gone up based on recent BTC price moves.

Even between late 2022 and late 2024, there might have been guys who had not realized that coins that they had on a late 2022 wallet had gone up close to 7x at least from top to bottom.

I recall a trip that I made that lasted from mid-2020 until mid 2021, and I recall that there was one wallet that I was keeping that had gone up close to 10x (BTC prices that were around $6.5k at the beginning of the trip and we know that they had gone close to $65k in March 2021), so I had at least one wallet that had gone up 10x and it was a bit troubling to figure out how to mitigate some of the risks in that while I was in a travel status, and I was not even really thinking too much about it, until at some point I had realized that I had overlooked that particular wallet...so sometimes mistakes can happen, even if we have several good systems and practices already in place.. but we might need to make adjustments based on changes in valuations.. and maybe we don't even want to deal with it or we might not feel comfortable with trying to figure out how to deal with our situation in which one of our wallets had changed in value by so much of an amount in such a relatively short period of time.

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To answer your question, nothing in this world is 100% secured, anything is possible.
We live in a world full of uncertainty, no one knows what may happen in the next few days or month because nothing is promised, the best you can do is to save your secret phase offline and leave the rest for God, because to the best of my knowledge, it's only God that gives 100% security.

I would be careful in terms of leaving too much to god, but maybe that's just me.

If banks and most of these exchange that has everything to protect themselves are being breached on several occasions,  tell me what makes you think that you are more perfect than those institution on security?

Surely there are trade-offs between banks and individuals...so you seem to be painting with a pretty broad brush if you think that the vulnerabilities are similar.

You might even decide to have several copies of your secret phase in different geopolitical area of your country just as suggested, they might be protected against natural disasters, but have you thought about it if one of it falls into wrong hands?

There are ways to hold portions of keys rather than the whole thing in one spot. .or to encrypt the information.. Of course, there are trade offs, even with encrypting or otherwise convoluting information.

Any of them lost will definitely be a serious security threat to your asset, so in essence of all am trying to say is that their is no perfect security when it comes to this world that we live in, the best way to protecting your holdings right now is saving it offline on a single sheet, and leave the rest to God.

I doubt that there is ONLY one best way to do things, even if you have arrived at a conclusion that you believe is best for you and your situation.
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I open up a thread here: Something to pounder for crypto enthusiast regarding LA wildfire. Probably this could be a wake up call for the rest of us to have a good practice on how to protect our keys in case of a natural disaster like what had happened in Los Angeles.

There could be several, like having your private key stash somewhere outside your home, or maybe in safety deposit box in a bank. Because just imagine if you hide everything at your home, with your keys and your hardware devices, and the amount is more than your home itself. And then going home to see that everything is on smoke.  Cry

And you have been buying in the dip and HODLing it for too long.

Having multiple backup options for your keys is really a good move. You never know what could happen, so spreading them out in different secure places can really give you peace of mind. You just have be  prepared for whatever life throws at us especially with how unpredictable natural disasters can be. Always make sure that you stay ahead of whatever comes.  It's all about your long-term preparation and making sure that all the effort you have put into buying the dips and HODLing pays off. If one method fails, having your keys secured in different ways gives you that hope and assurance that your hard work isn't lost. It's a smart strategy to keep your investments safe.

I don't think this is a smart strategy at all, if you spread your wallet key in different places then it will be more likely to be noticed by different people. For example, I have written my wallet key in a notebook and I keep it in a safe place as it will definitely be safe from fire, water and natural disasters.
Whenever you store your wallet key in multiple places, if one copy of it is lost immediately then your wallet can be hacked but you will not know it. So it is never a smart strategy to store your wallet key in multiple places.



In as much as I would want to say you are correct I will also say or inform you that whatsoever that have an advantage will definitely have a disadvantage. However, the advantage of saving your wallet key in one place that is seed phrase in your notebook is that it can not linger or it can hardly be seen by another person which is very cool but the disadvantage is that once it is been misplaced or..., you can never get it back and assuming you don't remember any of your wallet details it means you have automatically lost the wallet but if you save your seed phrase in different places even if one of it is misplaced you can still access your wallet and again it is not everyone that will see something like that and start looking on how to access it. Lastly, it is not just about writing it on the notebook, when saving your seed phrase you have or need to be very wise when doing it, I mean one shouldn't save this kind of details in such a way that it can easily be read and understood by another person.
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January 12, 2025, 12:56:55 AM

For sure natural disaster can take various forms, and even if we took several precautions in regards to our private keys, we might have had made mistakes, so for example, maybe in the LA fire example, we had some kind of a hardware wallet, and we had back up keys in our house and then another set of back up keys in another building on the property (if we are so lucky as to have another building available to us, such as a shed or a garage), but then if our backups are on paper, then they might have all gotten damaged.. and a similar thing can happen in a hurricane or tropical storm zone in which the kind of disaster is different, and potentially leave us vulnerable if our backups are not sufficiently geographically separated. 

Some people do not even have access to any location other than their living location, which might not be a lot of places to store/hide backups, and surely the more value that we hold, the more important it becomes to spend more time and potentially money in protecting our value. 

Surely with some of the burnt homes there might have been people storing a lot, if not all of their wealth in their houses, and so then if their house burned down, they would likely needed some kind of an insurance policy, since it could be difficult to self-insure.. and if a person had residential property and also had bitcoin, then maybe they ONLY lost half if they had secured the bitcoin properly, yet surely it is difficult to presume that everyone who might have had bitcoin in the fires had secured their bitcoin sufficiently (or maybe they got lucky and their backups did not end up getting destroyed... or maybe if they had notice before they evacuated, they were able to take their backups with them?)..

Surely there can be a lot of kinds of value besides the personal residence or the bitcoin, and also some folks put a lot of time and energy into building and organizing their personal (and perhaps work?) space, and so there could be a lot of loss in regards to various organization systems that a person might have established in their personal residence.... There could have had been value in having had built neighborhood relations too.

So that led us to the big question, since we can’t feel safe secure our backup phrases online due to fear of hackers and online theft, and neither can we feel completely safe securing our backup phrases offline for fear of losing them to thieves and natural disasters, where/what then is the safest place or method of storing our wallet data, where we can completely feel safe without having to worry about threats?
To answer your question, nothing in this world is 100% secured, anything is possible.
We live in a world full of uncertainty, no one knows what may happen in the next few days or month because nothing is promised, the best you can do is to save your secret phase offline and leave the rest for God, because to the best of my knowledge, it's only God that gives 100% security.
If banks and most of these exchange that has everything to protect themselves are being breached on several occasions,  tell me what makes you think that you are more perfect than those institution on security?

You might even decide to have several copies of your secret phase in different geopolitical area of your country just as suggested, they might be protected against natural disasters, but have you thought about it if one of it falls into wrong hands?
Any of them lost will definitely be a serious security threat to your asset, so in essence of all am trying to say is that their is no perfect security when it comes to this world that we live in, the best way to protecting your holdings right now is saving it offline on a single sheet, and leave the rest to God.
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January 12, 2025, 12:12:57 AM

For sure natural disaster can take various forms, and even if we took several precautions in regards to our private keys, we might have had made mistakes, so for example, maybe in the LA fire example, we had some kind of a hardware wallet, and we had back up keys in our house and then another set of back up keys in another building on the property (if we are so lucky as to have another building available to us, such as a shed or a garage), but then if our backups are on paper, then they might have all gotten damaged.. and a similar thing can happen in a hurricane or tropical storm zone in which the kind of disaster is different, and potentially leave us vulnerable if our backups are not sufficiently geographically separated. 

Some people do not even have access to any location other than their living location, which might not be a lot of places to store/hide backups, and surely the more value that we hold, the more important it becomes to spend more time and potentially money in protecting our value. 

Surely with some of the burnt homes there might have been people storing a lot, if not all of their wealth in their houses, and so then if their house burned down, they would likely needed some kind of an insurance policy, since it could be difficult to self-insure.. and if a person had residential property and also had bitcoin, then maybe they ONLY lost half if they had secured the bitcoin properly, yet surely it is difficult to presume that everyone who might have had bitcoin in the fires had secured their bitcoin sufficiently (or maybe they got lucky and their backups did not end up getting destroyed... or maybe if they had notice before they evacuated, they were able to take their backups with them?)..

Surely there can be a lot of kinds of value besides the personal residence or the bitcoin, and also some folks put a lot of time and energy into building and organizing their personal (and perhaps work?) space, and so there could be a lot of loss in regards to various organization systems that a person might have established in their personal residence.... There could have had been value in having had built neighborhood relations too.
This was exactly what I was arguing or should I rather say discussing with a friend few days back, he argued that storing your seed phrase offline is the best and most secure method of seed storage, and while I agreed with him to an extent, I was still trying to remind him that offline storage is still not 100% secure as something could still go wrong and his storage option could be affected, using the LA fire outbreak as an example I was able to explain to him the dangers and limitations of offline storages too. Even when one chooses to use multiple backups, there’s still every possibility of damage or loss. For example, having backup phrases on paper and safely securing it in a place on your house may only guarantee some level of protection and safety to one’s assets as it is still very vulnerable in the face of fire, water or other natural disasters.

Indeed, geographical separation of the backup phrases may also be able to mitigate the risks totally losing everything but like we know, not everyone has access to different safe locations, which also makes it very difficult to access this alternative.

So that led us to the big question, since we can’t feel safe secure our backup phrases online due to fear of hackers and online theft, and neither can we feel completely safe securing our backup phrases offline for fear of losing them to thieves and natural disasters, where/what then is the safest place or method of storing our wallet data, where we can completely feel safe without having to worry about threats?
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