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Quote from: Polkeins on July 28, 2023, 03:34:25 AM

Even so, it seems that casinos are also not going to sit idly by, so many casinos have started to create systems such as AI to fight against AI that are used by some people with the intention of manipulating or cheating casinos.

Yes, you are right that currently casinos are already using AI technology so to deal with their users who use AI and manipulate games is definitely not possible, because as we can see that casinos know how to run their business and certainly don't want to miss this kind of technology so they can it also makes it easier for them to overcome user users who use AI to beat the dealer.

There are no bookies that go bankrupt because their users use AI, so everyone must understand how to use this technology, because AI cannot fully work to win at gambling, moreover their system is not fully created for gambling, even though there is no way it can be used to beat bookies. . they will continue to be the victors.

In developing technology and improving casino work systems, I believe the team has a far superior advantage in front of gamblers so that any gambler's efforts to be able to win in every game must have been anticipated by the team that works to operate gambling sites.
Only those fools who believe using AI can actually beat the casino or house edge.
The awareness that casinos have developed far ahead of us must always be kept in mind so that there is no desire or exaggeration of AI as the most sophisticated strategy that can help to win in a casino game.

AI may be smart enough because it can provide a lot of information needed, but in a casino game, the game system is regulated so that it is impossible for AI to guess or provide information about the course of the game.

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Quote from: noormcs5 on July 27, 2023, 08:34:14 AM

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Artificial intelligence is becoming very popular and people are building AI now that is capable of doing a lots of things. I will not be surprised if programmers are able to build AI that is capable of manipulating games and making it's users to win on bets. The advancement of IA is still continuing and very soon we are going to see more to this but the use is going to be more of evil because scammers now will be able to use AI tools to manipulate casinos and play bets that will put bugs in the system where they will able to cash out in different bets.

Yes, that's true, and of course, when more people are interested in AI programs, the development of AI can increase rapidly.
Now AI has been praised by almost everyone who uses it, but I don't know where they can rely on AI so much, while AI is only an artificial intelligence program which also has many drawbacks.

Even so, it seems that casinos are also not going to sit idly by, so many casinos have started to create systems such as AI to fight against AI that are used by some people with the intention of manipulating or cheating casinos.

Do you think that gamblers can use AI for their own advantage and will have an edge over the casino? I don't think the casino will let this happen.

Casinos are very well aware of the development of AI and they will be the first to take precautionary measures and even use Artificial intelligence in their own favor. I don't expect the casino to be lagging behind in this technology and let the gamblers take over their business. Of course, the casino can only survive if the players lose more, otherwise the casinos may go bankrupt.

In principle, casinos have long used work with AI, but it was called differently: analyzing and processing massive data, so AI will only add to them even more advantages, as the casino has a lot more money than the players.
Nevertheless, I think that AI will be useful for players as well as for chess players who started to use the latest engines like Stockfish and now those who do not use such engines look like real dinosaurs.
Also poker players and other gamblers who will not use AI in their development will also fall behind those who will develop with the help of AI.

In any case, the younger generation now has a better chance to master new technologies and in time casinos will be forced to adjust to players who use AI in their game.

For me, I've always believed and still believe that Ai can only be used to improve self, technologies, games and what have you, rather than destroy them, so I agree with you at most, newer generations have the ability of mastering most games that seems difficult to master in time past, like many today still do not know how to play poker, with the help of Ai, anybody can master the game easily, this is the benefit i see with the use of Ai in our games.
But then, setting up Ai to play the game in actuality, I don't think that is feasible, and even if casinos permit it, and they are able to win, I don't think their winning will be consistent in the long term due to the dynamics of the game.

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I find it amazing that some people always think that some "evil and greedy house" will make itself earn even more with any new invention. Let's think about it, shall we? If the main goal for the house was taking as much money as possible from the customers each time they play, why would we have such a low house edge as 1% on some games? Why not like 20% instead? Why it's around 3% for online poker and not 30%? Maybe it's because you are not the only one providing a platform for playing poker games? Maybe because you have competitors, and people just can stop playing on your site?

Whatever AI can be used for in online poker, it's not for making the house earn more. That's what I'm sure of.

You have given the answer to your own question, why would we have such a low house edge as 1% on some games? Your answer, Maybe it's because you are not the only one providing a platform for playing poker games? Maybe because you have competitors, and people just can stop playing on your site? What is your question here? Is it me questioning the house ethics or Is it the house using AI for its own benefit? If you are asking the first one then I don't think any gambler should think that the house is running tha platform for charity they are here to run a business. They would do anything to increase their profitability. For the second question I would rather say that two industries (porn & gambling) are know to adopt new tech as soon as they are in the market. AI is out and in most probable case these online casinos have already adopted themselves to this new tech. It is only a matter of time someone would find out and then these platforms would confess in public.

P.S: The first actual use of OpenAI bot on an actual game was DOTA wherein thier bot OpenAI Five played against pro gamer.

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Quote from: mak013 on July 27, 2023, 01:56:49 AM

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Quote from: mak013 on July 26, 2023, 08:45:58 AM

We can believe that the player is more clever than AI but not often the common human can win chess computer. The same situation will be in the poker. Top players can change their style of gaming very fast, they count cards, etc. But the common gambler will lose the AI. If the gambler will use AI, the casino will do the same.

Professional, top and world class player are on a different league since they master their skills for years. Imagine how rapid AI can grow in todays standard, one day there's a chance that they can catch up to those who are master of poker. There are so called self-learning AI and I'm imagining that if it is trained by a professional player, it can beat majority of it's opponent on poker, luck aside.

The only thing that the human can`t teach the AI is imagination i think. The AI can be trained by world class player, it will know all about poker but anyway it works how it was trained. All it`s unusual bets were programmed. It can beat any common player i think, but it can`t win serious tournament.

That's not the only thing that humans can't teach AI in fact there are many such things which humans won't be able to teach AI anytime. Out of those things I believe one is emotions, the emotions are integral part of a humans life and no body can teach those emotions to a robot because they are basically something that's mostly for living things not for non-living things like AI. Humans also can't teach AI about feelings of others because AI can't feel anything as they have nothing similar to humans.

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This is very interesting and important question. Although it is impossible in my opinion, let's suppose such an AI is created. An AI that can beat everyone at the table right away, without learning their play style and stuff for many hours. Since it will be available to everyone, no one will have an advantage, right? So, there will be no one who's winning all the time while others are losing. Everyone will be equal. But, knowing poker players, I'm pretty sure they will find a way to start beating those who use AI. It will be just a matter of time. It can take couple of months but not more than that. That's why online poker will always be an interesting game. Nothing can destroy it, neither ChatGpt, nor a strategy invented by a genius.

An AI can only replicate with their algorithm to understand how a human would react and decide while playing Poker. AI cannot beat a human unless the human shows it, which we have been doing since its launch. Every day the question we ask with an AI chatbot is helping its algorithm to improve itself. I imagine how much it might have learned by now and if everything goes right there would be a time when AI would rule gambling. Most probably they would control the house and make profits for the human who owns the platform.

I find it amazing that some people always think that some "evil and greedy house" will make itself earn even more with any new invention. Let's think about it, shall we? If the main goal for the house was taking as much money as possible from the customers each time they play, why would we have such a low house edge as 1% on some games? Why not like 20% instead? Why it's around 3% for online poker and not 30%? Maybe it's because you are not the only one providing a platform for playing poker games? Maybe because you have competitors, and people just can stop playing on your site?

Whatever AI can be used for in online poker, it's not for making the house earn more. That's what I'm sure of.

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Quote from: Slow death on July 27, 2023, 02:05:47 PM

if we put a scenario in which the AI would do well in sports betting then how many people wouldn't lose? how many people would be profiting? would that not cause many casinos to go bankrupt?

No. In sports betting, the goal of the casino(the algorithm) is to balance both sides of the wager. I think it surely involves mathematicians and statisticians, I believe so because just note how most casino works is by outsourcing their odds rate, instead of, calculating by their own side.

So that is certainly not a problem due to how sports betting inherently works. Supposing it happens, the odds rate is simply not interesting enough for the user and won't at any rate make the casino at a loss.

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Quote from: Slow death on July 27, 2023, 02:05:47 PM

looking at this topic I wonder if the casinos wouldn't consider it as cheating and honestly if it is considered as cheating then I see that people shouldn't use AI because if the casino found out the person would be banned and would lose everything he had in the casino, it's just not worth taking that risk, now another thing that comes to mind is that if people used the AI for sports betting it wouldn't be considered cheating but would the AI do well in sports betting? if we put a scenario in which the AI would do well in sports betting then how many people wouldn't lose? how many people would be profiting?

would that not cause many casinos to go bankrupt? honestly I see that it would be something very challenging to see the AI hit rate and how the bookmakers would survive this reality when that time comes, currently I have seen the liars, the scammers lying that they have AI boots capable of predicting the price of cryptocurrencies and that anyone who buys the bot will be successful in the financial market, I spent my whole day today trying to understand how these people manage to lie so much, it is something unbelievable that people fall for this scam

If AI creates problems for casinos in the form of losses (increase in the probability of winning for players, which is equivalent to profit for them), then there is no doubt that casinos will begin to prohibit the use of AI by players, and punish violators. Nothing personal just business.

The nuance is how casinos will determine the signs of using AI. I still don't even know how it can be implemented.

Also, at the moment it is completely unknown what the effectiveness of AI predictions in gambling can be. It is possible that we overestimate the capabilities of AI at this stage.

To avoid bankruptcy, the casino will simply ban the use of AI. Of course, if can control the use of it.

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Quote from: noormcs5 on July 27, 2023, 08:34:14 AM

Quote from: Slow death on July 27, 2023, 02:05:47 PM

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Artificial intelligence is becoming very popular and people are building AI now that is capable of doing a lots of things. I will not be surprised if programmers are able to build AI that is capable of manipulating games and making it's users to win on bets. The advancement of IA is still continuing and very soon we are going to see more to this but the use is going to be more of evil because scammers now will be able to use AI tools to manipulate casinos and play bets that will put bugs in the system where they will able to cash out in different bets.

Yes, that's true, and of course, when more people are interested in AI programs, the development of AI can increase rapidly.
Now AI has been praised by almost everyone who uses it, but I don't know where they can rely on AI so much, while AI is only an artificial intelligence program which also has many drawbacks.

Even so, it seems that casinos are also not going to sit idly by, so many casinos have started to create systems such as AI to fight against AI that are used by some people with the intention of manipulating or cheating casinos.

Do you think that gamblers can use AI for their own advantage and will have an edge over the casino? I don't think the casino will let this happen.

Casinos are very well aware of the development of AI and they will be the first to take precautionary measures and even use Artificial intelligence in their own favor. I don't expect the casino to be lagging behind in this technology and let the gamblers take over their business. Of course, the casino can only survive if the players lose more, otherwise the casinos may go bankrupt.

In principle, casinos have long used work with AI, but it was called differently: analyzing and processing massive data, so AI will only add to them even more advantages, as the casino has a lot more money than the players.
Nevertheless, I think that AI will be useful for players as well as for chess players who started to use the latest engines like Stockfish and now those who do not use such engines look like real dinosaurs.
Also poker players and other gamblers who will not use AI in their development will also fall behind those who will develop with the help of AI.

In any case, the younger generation now has a better chance to master new technologies and in time casinos will be forced to adjust to players who use AI in their game.

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Its certainly assistance that would probably be of some positive help to many disorganized players, others wont find AI any use at all maybe a distraction and negative even. I dont believe its like Chess where it would take moves for you pretty much, Poker is a game of unknowns so it can only help so much in giving out probabilities and some people cant even use that assistance especially; they'll still play it wrong.
Some games I play not cards or poker have stats and data assisting like a helper to streamline info during a game, its only really quite minor not massive alteration and in theory the game itself could provide this preference if they wanted.

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looking at this topic I wonder if the casinos wouldn't consider it as cheating and honestly if it is considered as cheating then I see that people shouldn't use AI because if the casino found out the person would be banned and would lose everything he had in the casino, it's just not worth taking that risk, now another thing that comes to mind is that if people used the AI for sports betting it wouldn't be considered cheating but would the AI do well in sports betting? if we put a scenario in which the AI would do well in sports betting then how many people wouldn't lose? how many people would be profiting?

would that not cause many casinos to go bankrupt? honestly I see that it would be something very challenging to see the AI hit rate and how the bookmakers would survive this reality when that time comes, currently I have seen the liars, the scammers lying that they have AI boots capable of predicting the price of cryptocurrencies and that anyone who buys the bot will be successful in the financial market, I spent my whole day today trying to understand how these people manage to lie so much, it is something unbelievable that people fall for this scam

whether casinos would consider AI as cheating, I'd say its a big YES. They'd kick you out faster than a hiccup if they got wind of it. Because, well, wheres the fun in that for them?

Now, regarding AI in sports betting, thats a completely different can of worms. The chaotic, unpredictable nature of sports could give even the most advanced AI a run for its money. The AI's predictive capabilities are not perfect. Theres always that X-factor, that unexpected event that sends the AI's predictions haywire. Remember, even robots arent immune to surprises.

There are more scams in this place than fish in the sea. But isnt it amusing how the ones peddling these miraculous bots are never seen on the Forbes list of billionaires? Makes you wonder, right?

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looking at this topic I wonder if the casinos wouldn't consider it as cheating and honestly if it is considered as cheating then I see that people shouldn't use AI because if the casino found out the person would be banned and would lose everything he had in the casino, it's just not worth taking that risk, now another thing that comes to mind is that if people used the AI for sports betting it wouldn't be considered cheating but would the AI do well in sports betting? if we put a scenario in which the AI would do well in sports betting then how many people wouldn't lose? how many people would be profiting?

would that not cause many casinos to go bankrupt? honestly I see that it would be something very challenging to see the AI hit rate and how the bookmakers would survive this reality when that time comes, currently I have seen the liars, the scammers lying that they have AI boots capable of predicting the price of cryptocurrencies and that anyone who buys the bot will be successful in the financial market, I spent my whole day today trying to understand how these people manage to lie so much, it is something unbelievable that people fall for this scam

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Quote from: QueenVera on July 27, 2023, 04:57:56 AM

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Artificial intelligence is becoming very popular and people are building AI now that is capable of doing a lots of things. I will not be surprised if programmers are able to build AI that is capable of manipulating games and making it's users to win on bets. The advancement of IA is still continuing and very soon we are going to see more to this but the use is going to be more of evil because scammers now will be able to use AI tools to manipulate casinos and play bets that will put bugs in the system where they will able to cash out in different bets.

Yes, that's true, and of course, when more people are interested in AI programs, the development of AI can increase rapidly.
Now AI has been praised by almost everyone who uses it, but I don't know where they can rely on AI so much, while AI is only an artificial intelligence program which also has many drawbacks.

Even so, it seems that casinos are also not going to sit idly by, so many casinos have started to create systems such as AI to fight against AI that are used by some people with the intention of manipulating or cheating casinos.

Do you think that gamblers can use AI for their own advantage and will have an edge over the casino? I don't think the casino will let this happen.

Casinos are very well aware of the development of AI and they will be the first to take precautionary measures and even use Artificial intelligence in their own favor. I don't expect the casino to be lagging behind in this technology and let the gamblers take over their business. Of course, the casino can only survive if the players lose more, otherwise the casinos may go bankrupt.

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It would be very difficult for AI to destroy an online casino games like poker rather many casino site would eveh use it to fight against gamblers using such act to win the game, the game would seize to be interesting and the casino site could lose many customers thereby making then to lose more money, since it's a business no business owner would sit back and watch their business undergo threat of losing money without working hard or doing anything to fight against those threats that could cause big set back to such business, therefore they'll also come up with technology that would eradicate those bots that many gamblers would use to cheat in the game.

Almost all popular poker rooms track users' pc activity while they play. Personally, I was recently convinced of this when one of the poker rooms sent me a warning message that they had detected a virtual machine on my PC. I do have a virtual machine installed(ubuntu) via virtual box, but they also noted that I haven't specifically violated their rules. They only warned that it's not allowed to use virtual machines while playing poker. I'm just saying that if someone decides to use ai-bots or some other banned program to play poker, it is very likely that the poker rooms will be able to trace it.

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Even so, it seems that casinos are also not going to sit idly by, so many casinos have started to create systems such as AI to fight against AI that are used by some people with the intention of manipulating or cheating casinos.

Yes, you are right that currently casinos are already using AI technology so to deal with their users who use AI and manipulate games is definitely not possible, because as we can see that casinos know how to run their business and certainly don't want to miss this kind of technology so they can it also makes it easier for them to overcome user users who use AI to beat the dealer.

There are no bookies that go bankrupt because their users use AI, so everyone must understand how to use this technology, because AI cannot fully work to win at gambling, moreover their system is not fully created for gambling, even though there is no way it can be used to beat bookies. . they will continue to be the victors.

It would be very difficult for AI to destroy an online casino games like poker rather many casino site would eveh use it to fight against gamblers using such act to win the game, the game would seize to be interesting and the casino site could lose many customers thereby making then to lose more money, since it's a business no business owner would sit back and watch their business undergo threat of losing money without working hard or doing anything to fight against those threats that could cause big set back to such business, therefore they'll also come up with technology that would eradicate those bots that many gamblers would use to cheat in the game.
The bookies got more information and strategies and they have higher chances of winning and would always be ahead of gamblers so no matter what strategies or technologies you develop to enhance your winning ability they'll still discover your strategies and implement strategies to kick against it, left for me i think what did AI could do is improve the ability of beginners to play to stand a better chance of winning a pro in the game but would find it tough to win in serious tournaments were huge money is involved.

I wonder if it could get to the point that the player trains the AI to play and then the casino train their own AI, so the game starts being a question of who has a better artificial player rather than being a people sport. This has already happened in some jobs that are rutinary or require a simple conversations. I do remember google assistant requesting a doctor's appointment. I wonder how long until an AI speaks to an AI to fix appointment.

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Even so, it seems that casinos are also not going to sit idly by, so many casinos have started to create systems such as AI to fight against AI that are used by some people with the intention of manipulating or cheating casinos.

Yes, you are right that currently casinos are already using AI technology so to deal with their users who use AI and manipulate games is definitely not possible, because as we can see that casinos know how to run their business and certainly don't want to miss this kind of technology so they can it also makes it easier for them to overcome user users who use AI to beat the dealer.

There are no bookies that go bankrupt because their users use AI, so everyone must understand how to use this technology, because AI cannot fully work to win at gambling, moreover their system is not fully created for gambling, even though there is no way it can be used to beat bookies. . they will continue to be the victors.

It would be very difficult for AI to destroy an online casino games like poker rather many casino site would eveh use it to fight against gamblers using such act to win the game, the game would seize to be interesting and the casino site could lose many customers thereby making then to lose more money, since it's a business no business owner would sit back and watch their business undergo threat of losing money without working hard or doing anything to fight against those threats that could cause big set back to such business, therefore they'll also come up with technology that would eradicate those bots that many gamblers would use to cheat in the game.
The bookies got more information and strategies and they have higher chances of winning and would always be ahead of gamblers so no matter what strategies or technologies you develop to enhance your winning ability they'll still discover your strategies and implement strategies to kick against it, left for me i think what did AI could do is improve the ability of beginners to play to stand a better chance of winning a pro in the game but would find it tough to win in serious tournaments were huge money is involved.

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Quote from: abel1337 on July 26, 2023, 10:26:59 AM

Even so, it seems that casinos are also not going to sit idly by, so many casinos have started to create systems such as AI to fight against AI that are used by some people with the intention of manipulating or cheating casinos.

Yes, you are right that currently casinos are already using AI technology so to deal with their users who use AI and manipulate games is definitely not possible, because as we can see that casinos know how to run their business and certainly don't want to miss this kind of technology so they can it also makes it easier for them to overcome user users who use AI to beat the dealer.

There are no bookies that go bankrupt because their users use AI, so everyone must understand how to use this technology, because AI cannot fully work to win at gambling, moreover their system is not fully created for gambling, even though there is no way it can be used to beat bookies. . they will continue to be the victors.

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Quote from: mak013 on July 26, 2023, 08:45:58 AM

We can believe that the player is more clever than AI but not often the common human can win chess computer. The same situation will be in the poker. Top players can change their style of gaming very fast, they count cards, etc. But the common gambler will lose the AI. If the gambler will use AI, the casino will do the same.

Professional, top and world class player are on a different league since they master their skills for years. Imagine how rapid AI can grow in todays standard, one day there's a chance that they can catch up to those who are master of poker. There are so called self-learning AI and I'm imagining that if it is trained by a professional player, it can beat majority of it's opponent on poker, luck aside.

The only thing that the human can`t teach the AI is imagination i think. The AI can be trained by world class player, it will know all about poker but anyway it works how it was trained. All it`s unusual bets were programmed. It can beat any common player i think, but it can`t win serious tournament.

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Artificial intelligence is becoming very popular and people are building AI now that is capable of doing a lots of things. I will not be surprised if programmers are able to build AI that is capable of manipulating games and making it's users to win on bets. The advancement of IA is still continuing and very soon we are going to see more to this but the use is going to be more of evil because scammers now will be able to use AI tools to manipulate casinos and play bets that will put bugs in the system where they will able to cash out in different bets.

Yes, that's true, and of course, when more people are interested in AI programs, the development of AI can increase rapidly.
Now AI has been praised by almost everyone who uses it, but I don't know where they can rely on AI so much, while AI is only an artificial intelligence program which also has many drawbacks.

Even so, it seems that casinos are also not going to sit idly by, so many casinos have started to create systems such as AI to fight against AI that are used by some people with the intention of manipulating or cheating casinos.

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