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Quote from: paxmao on April 21, 2023, 03:30:35 AM

Reading another post, it crossed my mind that AIs and particularly ChatGPT could potentially be trained with a large samples of games played by poker champions and then put it to auto-play with amateur on-line players. If this is successful, it could mean the end of human on-line poker playing except perhaps for the world masters and the like. Has anyone tried? Would it be possible??

I don't think so.
Every table and hand will be replaced every round and this requires decision-making. I know that AI can learn interaction and keeps on learning based on the description that I've read and from what the developer of it has said. But, chat gpt or AIs still have their limitation.
I know that this has happened with chess but it's game with patterns and strategies in poker, it is incomparable that the strategies are entirely different and the pattern may still be learned but I guess it will take a lot of time. I remember a Dota 2 star played against open AI bot and hasn't won on it and some did. Yes, it will continually going to learn but I just don't understand how it's going to be applied in playing poker. It's too complex.

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I do not doubt That in the current state of those chat bots and artificial intelligences, it would be possible for them to play poker and have a wide data to feed their own strategy and "learn".

Still, I do not think it would be possible for such technology to break online poker, because there is still the randomized nature of poker and any other card game. So Chatgtp could possible be a good player, but it wont break anything.

If it started to give problems in the future, as AIs get more and more sophisticated, I would expect casinos to ban those tools to be used on their games and they would find ways to enforce such ban in a strict way.

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Quote from: adzino on April 21, 2023, 04:12:03 PM

I don't think ChatGPT or any AI would completely destroy/takeover online poker. Sure, AI can be trained to play poker really well, but there are a couple of things to consider. First, poker's not just about the cards or the math, it's also about reading people and bluffing. Now that's one thing the AI's doesn't understand and also something they "can't" do. I doubt ayn AI would be able to mimic human "emotions"/"Bluffs". AI might be able to handle the numbers, but it's gonna have a hard time with those human elements. And then most of the online platforms are well equipped to counter/find out those bots. There are already trained bots, but they go get caught very easily.

^Definitely right and though it is possible that there is AI that can able to train in playing poker but talking about destroying, that is impossible.
Probably with the hype of AI, you may think of this but still, humans have wide skills than the bot and we can adjust our strategy to find a solution to how to defeat the AI. That is why some players may prefer to play against other humans rather than against an AI-powered opponent which they think they cannot defeat it.

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This is why every industry have to be prepared for the surge of AI, because this business might be affected and AI might solve the your problem about LUCK.

This is a proof that AI is doing things out of control, imagine having this with you during your playing time, for sure it can increase the chance of winning and with this, I casinos should be able to figure it out and a possible solution here is to ban those who get caught using AI, this can result to a worst panic for sure.

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Quote from: Unsoldier on April 21, 2023, 02:54:26 PM

I remember the days when Kasparov played chess with a machine and beat it. Remember Deep Blue? Now nobody can beat a machine at chess. Will it be the same with the game of poker? Who knows. If the AI learns to beat humans at poker, people will just play each other.

That is likely what's going to happen we already have AI in the chess world but the popularity of chess is still there when there is analysis involved the AI can evolve there, but the poker industry will still have human-to-human tournaments, and the likelihood that poker online gaming with AI involved on it is possible, we may see this scenario in a few years when AI popularity soars, with all the support coming from a tech giant like Google and big names in the entrepreneurial like Elon Musk this, is possible.

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I don't think ChatGPT or any AI would completely destroy/takeover online poker. Sure, AI can be trained to play poker really well, but there are a couple of things to consider. First, poker's not just about the cards or the math, it's also about reading people and bluffing. Now that's one thing the AI's doesn't understand and also something they "can't" do. I doubt ayn AI would be able to mimic human "emotions"/"Bluffs". AI might be able to handle the numbers, but it's gonna have a hard time with those human elements. And then most of the online platforms are well equipped to counter/find out those bots. There are already trained bots, but they go get caught very easily.

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Quote from: paxmao on April 21, 2023, 03:30:35 AM

Reading another post, it crossed my mind that AIs and particularly ChatGPT could potentially be trained with a large samples of games played by poker champions and then put it to auto-play with amateur on-line players. If this is successful, it could mean the end of human on-line poker playing except perhaps for the world masters and the like. Has anyone tried? Would it be possible??

So far I have never tried using Chatgpt in a poker game and if Chatgpt can indeed be used in poker games trained by a great poker player I think it could be.
I have never come across a gambler who shared his experience of gambling on poker bets using AI with a model like this.
But I'm not sure that even though AI has been trained in such a way as possible by a poker master, it certainly won't be able to have the right results. Because there is the possibility of an error in matching the cards in hand with those on the table and I think this AI is difficult to use.

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Could it be trained? It could be, not impossible but of course it would be very difficult to say something about it neither. This is basically odds, I mean at poker if you can calculate the odds on your head then you already know. So an AI could do two things if you ask me, one is amateurs can become better, not better than great masters but better than how they were which is definitely true and doable.

Second would be people with less mathematical understanding, or dealing with multiple tables at a time, could have odds ready for them to decide. You could still have 99% chance to win and end up losing though, it still doesn't guarantee you any wins, you still need to make your own decision.

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Quote from: death69 on April 21, 2023, 06:22:02 AM

Ah, precisely! Why limit ourselves to poker luminaries? Let's condition ChatGPT to vanquish every game ever devised. Pshaw, human inventiveness—who needs it when AI is at our disposal, am I right? Why even partake in games when loss is virtually impossible? We might as well recline and assign the toil to the machines.

But truly, friends. The concept of nurturing an AI to trounce human adversaries isn't only achievable—it's already a reality. So, why confine ourselves to poker? Let's take it to the max and authorize machines to rule the Earth. I, for one, salute our novel robotic rulers.

Computer are already better than humans at playing chess and poker as well, I am not so sure if they are already better at the game of Go too which was still a challenge for them the last time I looked into the topic, and while some of those computer programs are not available to the public this means that such a thing is possible, and someone with enough initiative and knowledge about the topic could recreate a similar program and dominate the poker tables if they wanted.

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Quote from: paxmao on April 21, 2023, 03:30:35 AM

Reading another post, it crossed my mind that AIs and particularly ChatGPT could potentially be trained with a large samples of games played by poker champions and then put it to auto-play with amateur on-line players. If this is successful, it could mean the end of human on-line poker playing except perhaps for the world masters and the like. Has anyone tried? Would it be possible??

AI is getting a huge exposure now but I think, casinos should be prepared for this or else they will lose the business because of so many wins for the gamblers who are using AI. This hype might not be possible in gambling though, because if AI can then its not about luck anymore, it will be a big threat to every casinos. AI is still growing, we might hear some news hitting the jackpot because of AI, wondering how the casinos will address this threat.

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Quote from: paxmao on April 21, 2023, 03:30:35 AM

Reading another post, it crossed my mind that AIs and particularly ChatGPT could potentially be trained with a large samples of games played by poker champions and then put it to auto-play with amateur on-line players. If this is successful, it could mean the end of human on-line poker playing except perhaps for the world masters and the like. Has anyone tried? Would it be possible??

yeah, it's possible, I mean, just like any programmed learning AI that can get good/perfect at something by doing repetitive things and gaining information from it, I don't see why AIs can't become good(or extremely good) at online poker if they have gathered enough information on them. That being said, just like AIs, humans are learning too, I don't think they'd destroy or be the reason for "the end of humans playing online poker".

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I remember the days when Kasparov played chess with a machine and beat it. Remember Deep Blue? Now nobody can beat a machine at chess. Will it be the same with the game of poker? Who knows. If the AI learns to beat humans at poker, people will just play each other.

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Quote from: paxmao on April 21, 2023, 03:30:35 AM

Reading another post, it crossed my mind that AIs and particularly ChatGPT could potentially be trained with a large samples of games played by poker champions and then put it to auto-play with amateur on-line players. If this is successful, it could mean the end of human on-line poker playing except perhaps for the world masters and the like. Has anyone tried? Would it be possible??

When all is said and done at the end of the day, you have to have the cards to win. Sure, AI could probably play the percentages and win as much as one can, but it will never beat the odds or surprise people. I even think after players get used to going against a computer (most probably already are as I'm sure they gamble against computers to practice all the time) will be able to easily predict the AI's moves so that they are never surprised. It wouldn't surprise me if the inability to surprise leads to AI actually performing worse... Who knows though. This is the sort of thing that will be interesting to watch play out.

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Quote from: paxmao on April 21, 2023, 03:30:35 AM

Reading another post, it crossed my mind that AIs and particularly ChatGPT could potentially be trained with a large samples of games played by poker champions and then put it to auto-play with amateur on-line players. If this is successful, it could mean the end of human on-line poker playing except perhaps for the world masters and the like. Has anyone tried? Would it be possible??

It is possible to use chatgpt to predict the next move of players or the result of the game, or even programmed to play but it does not guarantee a win. Unless chatgpt has access to the remaining deck of cards (knows what is the next card to be drawn) it will never be a foolproof system that can 100% dictate the result of the game. If the chatgpt has access to the card deck, then it is not gambling at all but pure fraud or cheating.

I have seen some players using chatgpt to give suggestions on their actions on gambling, and the result is not surprising because chatgpt failed to give winning advise.

So in conclusion as long as chatgpt has no access to the program of the game and remains an outside factor, it will never precisely tell the outcome of the game. All it can give is one probability of the many and can still be prone to many errors just like how an individual guesses the outcome of a gambling game.

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Quote from: rhomelmabini on April 21, 2023, 11:14:48 AM

Quote from: paxmao on April 21, 2023, 03:30:35 AM

Reading another post, it crossed my mind that AIs and particularly ChatGPT could potentially be trained with a large samples of games played by poker champions and then put it to auto-play with amateur on-line players. If this is successful, it could mean the end of human on-line poker playing except perhaps for the world masters and the like. Has anyone tried? Would it be possible??

Before ChatGPT make some noise in the mainstream media there's already Deepstack, Libratus and Pluribus to name a few selected successful AIs that really played with professional poker players and they actually win. AI has way more beyond capabilities than what human can grasp and they're being trained and won't have any exhaustion as long as it's already stored in their memory. So, it's totally possible.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/bernardmarr/2019/09/13/artificial-intelligence-masters-the-game-of-poker--what-does-that-mean-for-humans/amp/

These AI foll0w a set of algorithm, if their opponent is able to crack them or know their pattern, it would easily get beaten by human. Human's decision making and strategy making is far wider than AI which is limited according to the code implanted to them. So AI cannot function very well than the human mind in terms of decision making and strategy creation. AI may win on the early games but once they were cracked, they don't stand a chance against human's mind.

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Quote from: paxmao on April 21, 2023, 03:30:35 AM

Reading another post, it crossed my mind that AIs and particularly ChatGPT could potentially be trained with a large samples of games played by poker champions and then put it to auto-play with amateur on-line players. If this is successful, it could mean the end of human on-line poker playing except perhaps for the world masters and the like. Has anyone tried? Would it be possible??

Bots are everywhere around. I guess if someone combines bots with AI we will have "super-bots"... maybe it has already happened, who knows!? I didn't try it, and I don't plan to try it. I read some articles about it when I am bored, but I still haven't seen anything to make me change my mind. Bots or super bots, nobody can't predict the future, end of story! In the game of chances anything can happen, each of us has some success rate and bots will have it too. So definitely yes, it's possible because some people will try to "cheat the system" in any way they can, but I am not sure that will work all the time, and how big success they will have.

Well, AI is definitely making a lot of noise, but I will repeat myself again, it's just an AI (Artificial intelligence is the simulation of human intelligence) without supernatural powers after all.

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Quote from: paxmao on April 21, 2023, 03:30:35 AM

Reading another post, it crossed my mind that AIs and particularly ChatGPT could potentially be trained with a large samples of games played by poker champions and then put it to auto-play with amateur on-line players. If this is successful, it could mean the end of human on-line poker playing except perhaps for the world masters and the like. Has anyone tried? Would it be possible??

You know that computer models that are playing chess exist for decades, so it is totally possible to create something like that for poker or anything else.
This didnt end human chess playing and I dont think it will end on-line poker playing, because this AIs wont be free and they can make mistakes.
Maybe casinos will have to introduce video live poker play only in future, but cheating always existed even in offline poker and other games.

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Quote from: paxmao on April 21, 2023, 03:30:35 AM

Reading another post, it crossed my mind that AIs and particularly ChatGPT could potentially be trained with a large samples of games played by poker champions and then put it to auto-play with amateur on-line players. If this is successful, it could mean the end of human on-line poker playing except perhaps for the world masters and the like. Has anyone tried? Would it be possible??

Before ChatGPT make some noise in the mainstream media there's already Deepstack, Libratus and Pluribus to name a few selected successful AIs that really played with professional poker players and they actually win. AI has way more beyond capabilities than what human can grasp and they're being trained and won't have any exhaustion as long as it's already stored in their memory. So, it's totally possible.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/bernardmarr/2019/09/13/artificial-intelligence-masters-the-game-of-poker--what-does-that-mean-for-humans/amp/

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There are already some algorithms in place if the casino is to cheat real human gamblers in games that are both live and virtual. I don't think that AI can dominate almost everything, at least gambling if we talk about it specifically. I don't know why there's so much chaos being created around this AI and Chat GPT when it's just starting to take off. It's already been in the making since years and remember, AI is created by humans and not humans are being born by AI, so there's no point in stressing upon. Even if AI manages to gather what it takes to destroy poker online gambling, it'll need enough time (IMHO some more years) before we see our fear turn into a reality.

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Quote from: paxmao on April 21, 2023, 03:30:35 AM

Reading another post, it crossed my mind that AIs and particularly ChatGPT could potentially be trained with a large samples of games played by poker champions and then put it to auto-play with amateur on-line players. If this is successful, it could mean the end of human on-line poker playing except perhaps for the world masters and the like. Has anyone tried? Would it be possible??

The existing version of chatGPT doesn't have such features but in future definitely they can be automated to do such things with their own decisions and if it became possible they might end the career of casual poker players because system can simply outrun them cause especially they made it for but I don't think casinos will allows that to happen because it's potential will be the end of profit if this happens.

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