Can maths help you win in gambling ? - page 14.

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Quote from: Prettyme on January 15, 2018, 09:52:35 AM

Quote from: bajing on September 27, 2017, 07:14:30 AM

I just read one article that's about math can help you win at roulette game then i want ask with you all, did you believe math can affect to gambling games? i'm not expert in math so i don't know

this is the article that i readed.
http://theconversation.com/can-maths-help-you-win-at-roulette-69440

I think yes since math involve analization in order for you to solve the problem just like in gambling in order for you to win you must know your strategy to won it. If you want to win in gambling you must think what strategy you must use because your strategy will help you win.

Not all strategies involve mathematics and so if you want to rely on maths as something that can guarantee you success with your gambling then i guess you are wrong because a lot of factors come into play before we can have a successful game and these factors vary from game to game, player to player and even time to time.

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Quote from: bajing on September 27, 2017, 07:14:30 AM

I just read one article that's about math can help you win at roulette game then i want ask with you all, did you believe math can affect to gambling games? i'm not expert in math so i don't know

this is the article that i readed.
http://theconversation.com/can-maths-help-you-win-at-roulette-69440

I think yes since math involve analization in order for you to solve the problem just like in gambling in order for you to win you must know your strategy to won it. If you want to win in gambling you must think what strategy you must use because your strategy will help you win.

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Quote from: wuvdoll on January 03, 2018, 10:19:13 AM

Quote from: xPPx on December 21, 2017, 03:30:59 PM

Math/statistics can raise the odds of you winning as far as gambling. I'd never do the digital casino thing, though. I use online for sportsbetting and go to a casino for anything else. Good luck!

Please can you put some light on how maths can increase "chances of winning" ?
Because though I agree that maths will certainly help you make more strategies and calculate various things but actually at the end its just about luck and the edge involved. You cannot win in long term if you play against a significant edge but you can win in short term sometimes.

For example , you place 1 bitcoin with 1.99 multiplier your chance to win is 49% , change it to 1.1 multiplier and your chance is 89% .
That's how math work lol , of course there is nothing you can do with math to increase your winning chance , gambling is completely stake money on uncertain outcome and that's random.
There's no legitimate way to have a guaranteed winning in gambling , the illegal one might a lot.

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Quote from: Arkham Knight on January 15, 2018, 02:30:54 AM

The only thing where you can apply math in gambling is calculating how much you win or most of the time how much is your total loss. You can't compute random numbers.

Calculation nothing but analysing the games, for example, sports betting. In sports betting if you have a knowledge about the game and players then you can check their past history and can up with some accurate guessing. Still, it is not a 100% accurate but much better guessing than dice results because in dice results you no way guess what will happen after you roll.

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The only thing where you can apply math in gambling is calculating how much you win or most of the time how much is your total loss. You can't compute random numbers.

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Quote from: bitzizzix on January 14, 2018, 08:31:26 PM

Quote from: supandi wiharja on September 27, 2017, 01:50:24 PM

I do not think that maths calculations can help you win in gambling.
Because gambling depends only on one's fortune.
If you consider gambling a top priority to earn a lot of money, i think you should leave gambling immediately, because i think gambling just for fun is not a top priority to make a lot of money.

I agree with you, gamble only rely on expertise and luck alone. which uses the calculations that depend on gambling in play and I think there is a gambling that uses the count but does not mean matekmatika and that even if gambling is in play contains the numbers. gambling is just fun and if win is just luck only.

Maybe we can use math calculating our bankroll while trying to assess whether we are still in green or we already needed to have a break and limit ourselves losing more, but in terms of winning we all knew that mostly we are just relying with our luck and nothing change that aside from having
some leak inside the gambling and its very unusual to happen.

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Quote from: llyfee4u on January 14, 2018, 07:53:30 PM

I highly doubt it. Perhaps maths could help in calculating and understanding the different permutations and odds of winning but ultimately wining in gambling is mostly dependent on luck. Even the most strategic minded gamblers still can’t always win against the house despite their strategy. If this was to be the case, many would have made massive wins in casinos based on their knowledge or expertise in maths.

Very well said, i agree with you. Gambling is not a subject that you must need to be perfect before you can win. Gambling is not like a lesson that you can learn in school. Math cannot really help us to in in gambling even if the most intelligent person in Math cannot win in gambling all the time. Yeah gambling is base on luck most of the time.

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Quote from: supandi wiharja on September 27, 2017, 01:50:24 PM

I do not think that maths calculations can help you win in gambling.
Because gambling depends only on one's fortune.
If you consider gambling a top priority to earn a lot of money, i think you should leave gambling immediately, because i think gambling just for fun is not a top priority to make a lot of money.

I agree with you, gamble only rely on expertise and luck alone. which uses the calculations that depend on gambling in play and I think there is a gambling that uses the count but does not mean matekmatika and that even if gambling is in play contains the numbers. gambling is just fun and if win is just luck only.

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I highly doubt it. Perhaps maths could help in calculating and understanding the different permutations and odds of winning but ultimately wining in gambling is mostly dependent on luck. Even the most strategic minded gamblers still can’t always win against the house despite their strategy. If this was to be the case, many would have made massive wins in casinos based on their knowledge or expertise in maths.

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Quote from: mirakal on January 10, 2018, 08:47:49 AM

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Quote from: kalakabgr on December 22, 2017, 12:19:43 AM

Sure thing math helps when gambling, maybe not the actual math but being number friendly is a huge advantage

Not always because there is nothing one can do in dice gambling with their maths since under/over have equal chances. But I agree that maths can be helpful if someone is doing arbitrage betting or trading of odds because that can help you quickly realize how much you should bet on which event and what's the best time to do so.

Dice game is different, it's a luck based game so all you can do is just rely on your luck to win.
You might win with some little analysis but with the house edge we know that our chance to win is very low and no strategy that will work in the long run. Better use your skills in math in skilled based games as for sure you can benefit from your effort and might develop yourself to a profitable gambler.

Casino is pure gambling game so luck is totally involved in it. If you will be lucky enough, then you will win no matter how bigger player your opponent is. The thing that matters here a lot is your luck. Analyses play a vital role in the winning of sports bet.

Analysis really work in sports betting because it becomes a little bit easy for you to win when you play sports betting if you will be having a sound knowledge of the game on which you are betting.

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Quote from: DU18 on January 10, 2018, 02:21:08 PM

I don't think so.Because gambling always depends on luck.So no strategy or no maths can sort out your problem in this format.You need only luck to win the bet, nothing else.But I don't why some people thinks math can help is in gambling.But it's not true.They actually not winning for maths.It's for luck only.

Math is need in solving problems.Math can better your luck.So, IMO is math totally not related in gambling.

math just show us that we might have better chance to play in a game that has lower house edge rather than those with higher house edge. It doesnt help us to make our luck better. In the end luck is the main factor so besides having good knowledge and good mathematical skill, but when you decided to play for fun all of that doesnt matter

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I don't think so.Because gambling always depends on luck.So no strategy or no maths can sort out your problem in this format.You need only luck to win the bet, nothing else.But I don't why some people thinks math can help is in gambling.But it's not true.They actually not winning for maths.It's for luck only.

Math is need in solving problems.Math can better your luck.So, IMO is math totally not related in gambling.

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Quote from: Netnox on January 05, 2018, 07:11:50 AM

I am quite skeptical about these claims. I used to read a lot of books dealing with the usage of maths and statistics in gambling (especially the ones by Avery Cardoza and Lyle Stuart). But they never worked for me. On the other hand, my biggest profits happened when I gambled blindly without the usage of any mathematical formulas.

never heard about both names Roll Eyes

, however it is just a delusion when people think math are everything on determine the chance, sometimes they think when you are clever enough to use your math skills you can have a guarantee winning.

soundslike completely a bullshit you hear there , nobody can use math to make you win in gambling , the outcome will always random.

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Quote from: BlueStackz on January 07, 2018, 02:11:50 AM

Quote from: kalakabgr on December 22, 2017, 12:19:43 AM

Sure thing math helps when gambling, maybe not the actual math but being number friendly is a huge advantage

Not always because there is nothing one can do in dice gambling with their maths since under/over have equal chances. But I agree that maths can be helpful if someone is doing arbitrage betting or trading of odds because that can help you quickly realize how much you should bet on which event and what's the best time to do so.

Dice game is different, it's a luck based game so all you can do is just rely on your luck to win.
You might win with some little analysis but with the house edge we know that our chance to win is very low and no strategy that will work in the long run. Better use your skills in math in skilled based games as for sure you can benefit from your effort and might develop yourself to a profitable gambler.

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Quote from: Hhampuz on January 09, 2018, 02:36:40 PM

Quote from: Maddinson100 on January 08, 2018, 04:33:06 AM

Quote from: wuvdoll on January 03, 2018, 10:19:13 AM

Quote from: xPPx on December 21, 2017, 03:30:59 PM

Math/statistics can raise the odds of you winning as far as gambling. I'd never do the digital casino thing, though. I use online for sportsbetting and go to a casino for anything else. Good luck!

Please can you put some light on how maths can increase "chances of winning" ?
Because though I agree that maths will certainly help you make more strategies and calculate various things but actually at the end its just about luck and the edge involved. You cannot win in long term if you play against a significant edge but you can win in short term sometimes.

I have the same thinking in this regard my friend. I don’t know why people think that math’s concept can make you able to win the game. I can reach to the point that math can only help you to maintain your records as they require some calculations in them.

Gambling is totally a luck dependent thing and If it’s wrong then why people say after losing that it was your day? Why they don’t say that today, your concepts were strong.

It's not really about relying on maths to win, if it were that easy everyone would do it and casinos would be out of business. There are however maths that can give you an advantage and let you look at it differently. You have to stop thinking about the actual game and think about yourself and your actions!

Probably sometimes maths helps in gambling but not all time , because gambling is luck based game and success and loss are possible for all person's who interested in gambling so we can't judge gambling very easily .

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Quote from: Maddinson100 on January 08, 2018, 04:33:06 AM

Quote from: wuvdoll on January 03, 2018, 10:19:13 AM

Quote from: xPPx on December 21, 2017, 03:30:59 PM

Math/statistics can raise the odds of you winning as far as gambling. I'd never do the digital casino thing, though. I use online for sportsbetting and go to a casino for anything else. Good luck!

Please can you put some light on how maths can increase "chances of winning" ?
Because though I agree that maths will certainly help you make more strategies and calculate various things but actually at the end its just about luck and the edge involved. You cannot win in long term if you play against a significant edge but you can win in short term sometimes.

I have the same thinking in this regard my friend. I don’t know why people think that math’s concept can make you able to win the game. I can reach to the point that math can only help you to maintain your records as they require some calculations in them.

Gambling is totally a luck dependent thing and If it’s wrong then why people say after losing that it was your day? Why they don’t say that today, your concepts were strong.

It's not really about relying on maths to win, if it were that easy everyone would do it and casinos would be out of business. There are however maths that can give you an advantage and let you look at it differently. You have to stop thinking about the actual game and think about yourself and your actions!

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Quote from: wuvdoll on January 03, 2018, 10:19:13 AM

Quote from: xPPx on December 21, 2017, 03:30:59 PM

Math/statistics can raise the odds of you winning as far as gambling. I'd never do the digital casino thing, though. I use online for sportsbetting and go to a casino for anything else. Good luck!

Please can you put some light on how maths can increase "chances of winning" ?
Because though I agree that maths will certainly help you make more strategies and calculate various things but actually at the end its just about luck and the edge involved. You cannot win in long term if you play against a significant edge but you can win in short term sometimes.

I have the same thinking in this regard my friend. I don’t know why people think that math’s concept can make you able to win the game. I can reach to the point that math can only help you to maintain your records as they require some calculations in them.

Gambling is totally a luck dependent thing and If it’s wrong then why people say after losing that it was your day? Why they don’t say that today, your concepts were strong.

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Quote from: kalakabgr on December 22, 2017, 12:19:43 AM

Sure thing math helps when gambling, maybe not the actual math but being number friendly is a huge advantage

Not always because there is nothing one can do in dice gambling with their maths since under/over have equal chances. But I agree that maths can be helpful if someone is doing arbitrage betting or trading of odds because that can help you quickly realize how much you should bet on which event and what's the best time to do so.

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Quote from: brontosaurus on January 02, 2018, 10:20:09 AM

Yes but only if you become such a tech geek who can actually go into and calculate algorithms using which these gambling casinos operate. Except this there is no way your maths could help in gambling. If this was possible you would see tons of gambling companies who would be hiring mathematics topper from universities gambling is fate and a little bit brain.

You made a great point about the role of mathematicians in gambling, the algorithms included in gambling games are understood by some experts and they brief to people online on some platforms. But you can never rely on these algorithms or tricks. Gambling is a cruel world and it can prove you wrong and make you broke in a matter of minutes.

Whatever the reason I still will not believe that math and analysis can make us gain victory in the gambling game. I've been through a lot of things and all the victories in the gambling game are just a luck. We only risk our lives on a fortune and that is a bad thing because our lives will be greatly affected. Many people are experiencing changes in their lives after knowing gambling game, so if we are not ready to take a bad risk then do not ever try to play gambling game however the reason !!!!

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I am quite skeptical about these claims. I used to read a lot of books dealing with the usage of maths and statistics in gambling (especially the ones by Avery Cardoza and Lyle Stuart). But they never worked for me. On the other hand, my biggest profits happened when I gambled blindly without the usage of any mathematical formulas.

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