Can maths help you win in gambling ? - page 16.

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Quote from: Hhampuz on December 21, 2017, 07:46:24 PM

Quote from: xPPx on December 21, 2017, 03:30:59 PM

Math/statistics can raise the odds of you winning as far as gambling. I'd never do the digital casino thing, though. I use online for sportsbetting and go to a casino for anything else. Good luck!

Yeah I definitely agree in this, maths can help when it comes to sports betting and some card games (poker). As far as slot games go.. I wouldn't trust any system when it comes to that! Roulette and black jack i only play at land based casinos.

I sort of agree with you because there are times when a person needs to calculate various aspects in poker or even sometimes in Blackjack because there are times when you are tempted to hit the next card while actually holding back is the rather better option mathematically but mostly it's all about luck and the control over one's gambling.

Personally I do find that maths can help you in rather restricting yourself from gambling because one who knows math will quickly realize that winning against a house edge is almost impossible and in the favor of the house. Apart from that maths I cannot think of any other way in the helping of a gambler, yeah sometimes it can be good to calculate parlay bets and sometimes to do arbitrage.

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Quote from: kaliann on January 02, 2018, 07:23:42 PM

Yes maybe.. but math cant make you a millioner in playing in casino games. Match can give you probably an advantage because i think if you are good in math you are good in analyzing and calculating. There are casino games that needs anaylsis and study the move of you opponent bu this doesnt mean you are a sure ball will win all the gambling games. It takes skills and a bunch of luck to win all the time.

Mathematics, no matter how accurate can never give you a true advantage in a properly run casino...

The house ]i]always[/i] wins. Always remember this. Don't ever play in a casino and think you have a chance to win. If you go in thinking you're going to win then chances are you're going to walk away depressed.

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Yes maybe.. but math cant make you a millioner in playing in casino games. Match can give you probably an advantage because i think if you are good in math you are good in analyzing and calculating. There are casino games that needs anaylsis and study the move of you opponent bu this doesnt mean you are a sure ball will win all the gambling games. It takes skills and a bunch of luck to win all the time.

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Quote from: Hhampuz on January 02, 2018, 03:23:40 PM

Quote from: brontosaurus on January 02, 2018, 10:20:09 AM

Yes but only if you become such a tech geek who can actually go into and calculate algorithms using which these gambling casinos operate. Except this there is no way your maths could help in gambling. If this was possible you would see tons of gambling companies who would be hiring mathematics topper from universities gambling is fate and a little bit brain.

I'd say it's impossible to figure out how the casinos are operating with their algorithms for slot games etc.. The main point for using math is for probability and for card games, nothing more and nothing less. So it's not about becoming a "Tech geek", it's about knowing what you are playing and how you can maximize your profits, anyone can learn it!

that is true , math helps you in gambling means you will know how about the chance , not to make it a guaranteed winning that is a misconception , it is just too good to be true when you do the math and know anything about the algorithms etc.

understand about this math in gambling and you may won't gamble seriously for the sake of making money.

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Quote from: brontosaurus on January 02, 2018, 10:20:09 AM

Yes but only if you become such a tech geek who can actually go into and calculate algorithms using which these gambling casinos operate. Except this there is no way your maths could help in gambling. If this was possible you would see tons of gambling companies who would be hiring mathematics topper from universities gambling is fate and a little bit brain.

I'd say it's impossible to figure out how the casinos are operating with their algorithms for slot games etc.. The main point for using math is for probability and for card games, nothing more and nothing less. So it's not about becoming a "Tech geek", it's about knowing what you are playing and how you can maximize your profits, anyone can learn it!

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Quote from: bigvito19 on January 02, 2018, 10:32:03 AM

What's with everyone and this gambling, only math you have with gambling is that you have a 50% chance of winning or losing.

But even in some gambling games you have 0% chances to use your maths and win the game, because in some gambling games we totally depend on our luck and there is no use of mathematics even your experience. There you can only depend on your luck.

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What's with everyone and this gambling, only math you have with gambling is that you have a 50% chance of winning or losing.

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See, Games like Dice, Roulette are games of pure chances. Being a mathematician can't help you there.
In games like Dice, Roulette and similar games that are purely reliant on luck, I'd venture to say that the only sane application of mathematics is looking at your average profit, determining that it's negative, and walking away from the table before you even better the first time.

But there's no profitable gambling without mathematics. Here I am talking about games like Poker, Backgammon, Blackjack, etc.
For these games knowing your way around probabilities is the only way to consistently win. Either that or you memorise what someone else has already calculated for you.

PS:- How do you think house have an edge? They don't rely on “feel”.

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Yes but only if you become such a tech geek who can actually go into and calculate algorithms using which these gambling casinos operate. Except this there is no way your maths could help in gambling. If this was possible you would see tons of gambling companies who would be hiring mathematics topper from universities gambling is fate and a little bit brain.

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Quote from: sana54210 on January 02, 2018, 09:10:27 AM

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Quote from: Groundbit on December 17, 2017, 10:15:11 PM

it will only help in sport.. in casino game such as roulette,cards,etc there is no hope.. house always win Grin

Exactly, math can only help you to make analysis and analysis are only useful in games like football, cricket etc. Beside this, math has no importance in the field of gambling. When we get a chance to go to casinos, we look that every person who is gambling wins after losing one or no games and if math was helpful in gambling, then people having good knowledge of math would have never lost any game.

I have heard from people who are close to me but are gamblers that math is not a key to win in gambling because gambling is something which involves a lot of luck and If math had some importance in gambling, then as you said no gambler having a sound knowledge of math have lost the game but everyone lose every day.

I would prefer to say that gambling didn't make you win in gambling, it's just help you to decide whether are you okay to continue to gamble or just stop it for the better? Also math give you some predictions based on certain probability calculation which actually it's really helpful and effective to provide you a choice before making any decision to place a bet.

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Quote from: StarofBTC on December 26, 2017, 04:57:40 AM

Quote from: Groundbit on December 17, 2017, 10:15:11 PM

it will only help in sport.. in casino game such as roulette,cards,etc there is no hope.. house always win Grin

Exactly, math can only help you to make analysis and analysis are only useful in games like football, cricket etc. Beside this, math has no importance in the field of gambling. When we get a chance to go to casinos, we look that every person who is gambling wins after losing one or no games and if math was helpful in gambling, then people having good knowledge of math would have never lost any game.

I have heard from people who are close to me but are gamblers that math is not a key to win in gambling because gambling is something which involves a lot of luck and If math had some importance in gambling, then as you said no gambler having a sound knowledge of math have lost the game but everyone lose every day.

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Quote from: Zabrielle on December 28, 2017, 06:39:30 PM

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Quote from: Zabrielle on November 01, 2017, 08:11:56 AM

I tried working in casino and there was only one french roulette inside. Everytime it was played, you cant guess where or what number the little ball will land. Im not so sure math can help when it comes to roulette. The rolling of the ball is spontinous. Maybe in a poker games and bacarat math can be use. And of course help of luck.

if math will work on it i guess the developers already tried and test any factors that will exposed the possibilities of winning using mathematically analysis,
i'm sure they won't let anybody to gain any chances of edge from what they've created so for me its still luck who can help you from winning in any types
of gambling.

Yeah, there would be a lot of mathematician who will become millioner then. Maybe it can help but in gambling you need to have skills togther with a luck to won the game. Machines were programmed, table games is different also. Thats why most of gambler believe in luck. Even if you very good in playing card games but if you are not lucky then you will lose it. Sometimes you win sometimes you lose. You donf do the calculations while playing because you cant see their cards but maybe being good in math you are good in analysis.

That is true, if math did help you win in gambling indeed there would be a lot of nerds that would have been millionaires due to just gambling. The thing is gambling is indeed mathematical because it heavily relies on statistics which is a branch of mathematical science. The thing is, there is no way a gambler can consistently win in a gambling game if there is house edge. Because every bet will result to a negative expected value which will result to losses in the long run.

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Quote from: Caladonian on November 01, 2017, 08:31:35 AM

Quote from: Zabrielle on November 01, 2017, 08:11:56 AM

I tried working in casino and there was only one french roulette inside. Everytime it was played, you cant guess where or what number the little ball will land. Im not so sure math can help when it comes to roulette. The rolling of the ball is spontinous. Maybe in a poker games and bacarat math can be use. And of course help of luck.

if math will work on it i guess the developers already tried and test any factors that will exposed the possibilities of winning using mathematically analysis,
i'm sure they won't let anybody to gain any chances of edge from what they've created so for me its still luck who can help you from winning in any types
of gambling.

Yeah, there would be a lot of mathematician who will become millioner then. Maybe it can help but in gambling you need to have skills togther with a luck to won the game. Machines were programmed, table games is different also. Thats why most of gambler believe in luck. Even if you very good in playing card games but if you are not lucky then you will lose it. Sometimes you win sometimes you lose. You donf do the calculations while playing because you cant see their cards but maybe being good in math you are good in analysis.

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Quote from: Groundbit on December 17, 2017, 10:15:11 PM

it will only help in sport.. in casino game such as roulette,cards,etc there is no hope.. house always win Grin

Exactly, math can only help you to make analysis and analysis are only useful in games like football, cricket etc. Beside this, math has no importance in the field of gambling. When we get a chance to go to casinos, we look that every person who is gambling wins after losing one or no games and if math was helpful in gambling, then people having good knowledge of math would have never lost any game.

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Quote from: sana54210 on December 19, 2017, 08:39:19 AM

Quote from: Uno17 on December 15, 2017, 08:33:53 AM

interesting😃... sometimes it helps because in gambling you need to be alert also in figure, it makes sense when you’re good in mathematics because usually a gambler is fast to calculate on figures, therefore yes math can also help in some ways, but of course in gmbling, Luck also plays role always, because if it is your lucky day day, it should be your win day too😃

I completely agree with your saying that gambling is completely luck based thing. If you are lucky person, you will enjoy gambling and if the case is opposite then there will be no bigger hatter of gambling seen than you in the market. As far as my knowledge of gambling is concerned, there is no math formula introduced in the market which can be applied on gambling and the loser can become the winner.

Okay you just said here there that if you are lucky only then gambling will be profitable for you. Then tell me or just think how many days a person can be lucky? One or two in a week? Definitely yes, a person can never be lucky every day. Then what mathematics and what skills are there to be tested when one method is not there for you to help you. Gambling is worst of the worst.

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Quote from: fiomcorka on December 21, 2017, 02:47:19 AM

How math can help a gambler to win a game because as far as my knowledge is concerned, gambling is totally a luck dependent thing. It is just like crossing a river just by looking with your eyes on to other bank. If math really was so helpful for the gambler to win the game.

Then all gamblers who have a good knowledge of math would have never lost any game they have played in their lives. Math can only help the gambler to maintain his records.

It does not mean that you cant los eif you are good in math but it means that you have a good chance to know your chance. It is like you are going to have better knowledge of your chances so you could make better decision to stop or to continue. Although I think that most gambler will not bother with this kind of thing as they will choose to continue

math is one of the sciences that can predict every possible number out, the possibilities of winning in which the math can reasonably afford, because the online casino is created by the system, and the system has a code in which there is a count. and may be predicted by some people

Yes you can predict all possible number that would come out, but that doesn't change the fact that you cannot predict which number will come out on your next roll. The only thing you have is a set of possible numbers and nothing more than that. I guess that's the only thing being good at math can do. It may help in poker, like knowing the chance your hand will win but in games like dice, it's nothing.

Even in poker knowing the probability of your hand to win in general doesn't help because you can't know what hands the other players have. I mean having full house you can't be sure that another player doesn't have a better full house or four of a kind (of course with some exceptions when you can be sure about that). I watched a game on youtube when one player with four of a kind, aces, lost to another player with straight flush. What are the odds? But still it happens.

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Quote from: LuanX3 on December 22, 2017, 05:23:49 AM

Quote from: mostkey on December 22, 2017, 02:05:56 AM

Quote from: oHnK on December 22, 2017, 01:44:34 AM

Quote from: fiomcorka on December 21, 2017, 02:47:19 AM

How math can help a gambler to win a game because as far as my knowledge is concerned, gambling is totally a luck dependent thing. It is just like crossing a river just by looking with your eyes on to other bank. If math really was so helpful for the gambler to win the game.

Then all gamblers who have a good knowledge of math would have never lost any game they have played in their lives. Math can only help the gambler to maintain his records.

It does not mean that you cant los eif you are good in math but it means that you have a good chance to know your chance. It is like you are going to have better knowledge of your chances so you could make better decision to stop or to continue. Although I think that most gambler will not bother with this kind of thing as they will choose to continue

math is one of the sciences that can predict every possible number out, the possibilities of winning in which the math can reasonably afford, because the online casino is created by the system, and the system has a code in which there is a count. and may be predicted by some people

Yes you can predict all possible number that would come out, but that doesn't change the fact that you cannot predict which number will come out on your next roll. The only thing you have is a set of possible numbers and nothing more than that. I guess that's the only thing being good at math can do. It may help in poker, like knowing the chance your hand will win but in games like dice, it's nothing.

Guessing is only just guessing, number is just always number and it is not related to luck on what number would be the possible result. I do agree on you pal, you do have the possible numbers that will be the result but still you cant predict what will be the exact number that will show or that will result. You can calculate it with math with what is the highest percentage of result but still you dont know what is it.

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Quote from: LuanX3 on December 22, 2017, 05:23:49 AM

Quote from: mostkey on December 22, 2017, 02:05:56 AM

Quote from: oHnK on December 22, 2017, 01:44:34 AM

Quote from: fiomcorka on December 21, 2017, 02:47:19 AM

How math can help a gambler to win a game because as far as my knowledge is concerned, gambling is totally a luck dependent thing. It is just like crossing a river just by looking with your eyes on to other bank. If math really was so helpful for the gambler to win the game.

Then all gamblers who have a good knowledge of math would have never lost any game they have played in their lives. Math can only help the gambler to maintain his records.

It does not mean that you cant los eif you are good in math but it means that you have a good chance to know your chance. It is like you are going to have better knowledge of your chances so you could make better decision to stop or to continue. Although I think that most gambler will not bother with this kind of thing as they will choose to continue

math is one of the sciences that can predict every possible number out, the possibilities of winning in which the math can reasonably afford, because the online casino is created by the system, and the system has a code in which there is a count. and may be predicted by some people

Yes you can predict all possible number that would come out, but that doesn't change the fact that you cannot predict which number will come out on your next roll. The only thing you have is a set of possible numbers and nothing more than that. I guess that's the only thing being good at math can do. It may help in poker, like knowing the chance your hand will win but in games like dice, it's nothing.

Well isn't it in Poker again JUST the possible outcomes, but not the actual outcome?!?

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Quote from: mostkey on December 22, 2017, 02:05:56 AM

Quote from: oHnK on December 22, 2017, 01:44:34 AM

Quote from: fiomcorka on December 21, 2017, 02:47:19 AM

How math can help a gambler to win a game because as far as my knowledge is concerned, gambling is totally a luck dependent thing. It is just like crossing a river just by looking with your eyes on to other bank. If math really was so helpful for the gambler to win the game.

Then all gamblers who have a good knowledge of math would have never lost any game they have played in their lives. Math can only help the gambler to maintain his records.

It does not mean that you cant los eif you are good in math but it means that you have a good chance to know your chance. It is like you are going to have better knowledge of your chances so you could make better decision to stop or to continue. Although I think that most gambler will not bother with this kind of thing as they will choose to continue

math is one of the sciences that can predict every possible number out, the possibilities of winning in which the math can reasonably afford, because the online casino is created by the system, and the system has a code in which there is a count. and may be predicted by some people

Yes you can predict all possible number that would come out, but that doesn't change the fact that you cannot predict which number will come out on your next roll. The only thing you have is a set of possible numbers and nothing more than that. I guess that's the only thing being good at math can do. It may help in poker, like knowing the chance your hand will win but in games like dice, it's nothing.

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Quote from: oHnK on December 22, 2017, 01:44:34 AM

Quote from: fiomcorka on December 21, 2017, 02:47:19 AM

How math can help a gambler to win a game because as far as my knowledge is concerned, gambling is totally a luck dependent thing. It is just like crossing a river just by looking with your eyes on to other bank. If math really was so helpful for the gambler to win the game.

Then all gamblers who have a good knowledge of math would have never lost any game they have played in their lives. Math can only help the gambler to maintain his records.

It does not mean that you cant los eif you are good in math but it means that you have a good chance to know your chance. It is like you are going to have better knowledge of your chances so you could make better decision to stop or to continue. Although I think that most gambler will not bother with this kind of thing as they will choose to continue

math is one of the sciences that can predict every possible number out, the possibilities of winning in which the math can reasonably afford, because the online casino is created by the system, and the system has a code in which there is a count. and may be predicted by some people

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