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Quote from: biskitop on November 17, 2017, 03:14:14 AM

I do not think any lessons or theories are effective to help win the gamble. Luck and tranquility is what plays a big role in a gambling.

Of course that gambling is only luck based, but i am sure that math can help gambler to win, even if it is still risky. For example, martingale strategy in dice games, it is based around probabilities, so that you'd have very high chance of winning, and some people say that it's actually working, only downside of this strategy is that one lose streak is all you need to lose money.

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Quote from: biskitop on November 17, 2017, 03:14:14 AM

I do not think any lessons or theories are effective to help win the gamble. Luck and tranquility is what plays a big role in a gambling.

It plays a big role we all know that luck definitely one of the key factors to win in gambling. But everything that could be learned and understood as a lesson would definitely have an impact someway or some how. It is like studying, some people say that they don't know where or when they will use the subjects that they take in school but they take it to be stronger and more smarter in their decisions.

The fact is that most gamblers simply have a strong intuition. But if a person has immense knowledge in mathematics, in many games he can calculate what and how to do. This is a kind of art and I believe in it.

i think that mathematical calculation can help you a little in some formate of gambling, but not as such as we are thinking about. because gambling is mostly depend on our luck. and if a person is lucky he can make good profit from gambling without any calculation. In fact there are some people who can be lucky for most of the time but most of the people remain as unlucky and they lose money even have good calculation.

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Quote from: crwth on November 17, 2017, 06:58:58 AM

Quote from: biskitop on November 17, 2017, 03:14:14 AM

I do not think any lessons or theories are effective to help win the gamble. Luck and tranquility is what plays a big role in a gambling.

It plays a big role we all know that luck definitely one of the key factors to win in gambling. But everything that could be learned and understood as a lesson would definitely have an impact someway or some how. It is like studying, some people say that they don't know where or when they will use the subjects that they take in school but they take it to be stronger and more smarter in their decisions.

The fact is that most gamblers simply have a strong intuition. But if a person has immense knowledge in mathematics, in many games he can calculate what and how to do. This is a kind of art and I believe in it.

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Quote from: Hhampuz on November 17, 2017, 06:42:40 AM

Quote from: Wall-ET on November 17, 2017, 03:03:55 AM

It is just increment or decrement a number by 1, just need to know what cards are... simple as that...
It is harder to learn the rules of BJ then to count cards on BJ Wink

More or less yeah, if you practice on your memory and how to successfully memorize in good order you can earn some on it

. But that's definitely not for everyone.. only a handfull that can memorize that good Tongue

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What order?!?!
you need to know how to count to 52; how to add 1 to a number up to 52 and how to subtract 1 from the number.
If you can't do that I wonder how you can type on the keyboard...

If you have trouble remembering s single number (up to 2 digits), then how do you ever remember your name, or anything else in this matter...

Just want to note again: if you do NOT KNOW when counting cards is, do not comment on it!!!

After all you DO NOT have to remember every card (each card is +1 or -1) and you start from 0, so you add the value of each card to the 0 and you remember the number, one number and that is all....

Please inform yourself before commenting on something you do not know at all!!!!

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Quote from: biskitop on November 17, 2017, 03:14:14 AM

I do not think any lessons or theories are effective to help win the gamble. Luck and tranquility is what plays a big role in a gambling.

It plays a big role we all know that luck definitely one of the key factors to win in gambling. But everything that could be learned and understood as a lesson would definitely have an impact someway or some how. It is like studying, some people say that they don't know where or when they will use the subjects that they take in school but they take it to be stronger and more smarter in their decisions.

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Quote from: Wall-ET on November 17, 2017, 03:03:55 AM

Quote from: Hhampuz on November 16, 2017, 05:44:03 PM

Quote from: Wall-ET on November 16, 2017, 08:18:52 AM

Quote from: marlboroza on November 16, 2017, 06:02:30 AM

Quote from: Wall-ET on November 16, 2017, 03:44:41 AM

Well counting cards (in the BJ example) does give you edge, that's why casino forbid it in any possible way.

Also doing the math to see when you have bigger odds to win and then going BIG and when odds are low you go min bet, then you can have the odds in your favor.
Just watch 21 and you will see how it is done.

Remember that this will trow you out of the casino, as it is against house rules (exactly because it turns the odds in your favor and the house does not like that).

You can play all the games for fun and beat them each time, but in real casino, as I said few posts above, they do everything to figure them and forbit them and they ban anyone who try to use them in order to turn the odds in his favor Wink

Counting cards requires good memory. Math won't help you if you can't remember cards.

If you can not remember 1+1 = 2
The math will not work for you...

Counting cards gives you the input for the math you need to do to see the odds.

btw counting cards is just starting from 0 and doing math +1 or -1 => didn't know you do not know what card counting is and still try to make smart comments Wink

Most people don't really know what card counting is.. They've seen some movie or heard some story and they think that only rainman can do it... It's not simple, I won't say that but it's not rocket science either.

It is just increment or decrement a number by 1, just need to know what cards are... simple as that...
It is harder to learn the rules of BJ then to count cards on BJ Wink

More or less yeah, if you practice on your memory and how to successfully memorize in good order you can earn some on it

. But that's definitely not for everyone.. only a handfull that can memorize that good Tongue

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Basically I think it can help, at least with math we can calculating the targets to be achieved / calculating the profits and loss of our balances being played. It can also help to decide to stop playing or keep playing I guess. but somehow if on the games that was played, any games that was played.. I think it's still depends on our luck, that was become a permanent characteristic in gambling I guess because gambling's games very randomly.

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I do not think any lessons or theories are effective to help win the gamble. Luck and tranquility is what plays a big role in a gambling.

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Quote from: Hhampuz on November 16, 2017, 05:44:03 PM

Quote from: Wall-ET on November 16, 2017, 08:18:52 AM

Quote from: marlboroza on November 16, 2017, 06:02:30 AM

Quote from: Wall-ET on November 16, 2017, 03:44:41 AM

Well counting cards (in the BJ example) does give you edge, that's why casino forbid it in any possible way.

Also doing the math to see when you have bigger odds to win and then going BIG and when odds are low you go min bet, then you can have the odds in your favor.
Just watch 21 and you will see how it is done.

Remember that this will trow you out of the casino, as it is against house rules (exactly because it turns the odds in your favor and the house does not like that).

You can play all the games for fun and beat them each time, but in real casino, as I said few posts above, they do everything to figure them and forbit them and they ban anyone who try to use them in order to turn the odds in his favor Wink

Counting cards requires good memory. Math won't help you if you can't remember cards.

If you can not remember 1+1 = 2
The math will not work for you...

Counting cards gives you the input for the math you need to do to see the odds.

btw counting cards is just starting from 0 and doing math +1 or -1 => didn't know you do not know what card counting is and still try to make smart comments Wink

Most people don't really know what card counting is.. They've seen some movie or heard some story and they think that only rainman can do it... It's not simple, I won't say that but it's not rocket science either.

It is just increment or decrement a number by 1, just need to know what cards are... simple as that...
It is harder to learn the rules of BJ then to count cards on BJ Wink

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Quote from: Wall-ET on November 16, 2017, 08:18:52 AM

Quote from: marlboroza on November 16, 2017, 06:02:30 AM

Quote from: Wall-ET on November 16, 2017, 03:44:41 AM

Well counting cards (in the BJ example) does give you edge, that's why casino forbid it in any possible way.

Also doing the math to see when you have bigger odds to win and then going BIG and when odds are low you go min bet, then you can have the odds in your favor.
Just watch 21 and you will see how it is done.

Remember that this will trow you out of the casino, as it is against house rules (exactly because it turns the odds in your favor and the house does not like that).

You can play all the games for fun and beat them each time, but in real casino, as I said few posts above, they do everything to figure them and forbit them and they ban anyone who try to use them in order to turn the odds in his favor Wink

Counting cards requires good memory. Math won't help you if you can't remember cards.

If you can not remember 1+1 = 2
The math will not work for you...

Counting cards gives you the input for the math you need to do to see the odds.

btw counting cards is just starting from 0 and doing math +1 or -1 => didn't know you do not know what card counting is and still try to make smart comments Wink

Most people don't really know what card counting is.. They've seen some movie or heard some story and they think that only rainman can do it... It's not simple, I won't say that but it's not rocket science either.

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Quote from: marlboroza on November 16, 2017, 06:02:30 AM

Quote from: Wall-ET on November 16, 2017, 03:44:41 AM

Well counting cards (in the BJ example) does give you edge, that's why casino forbid it in any possible way.

Also doing the math to see when you have bigger odds to win and then going BIG and when odds are low you go min bet, then you can have the odds in your favor.
Just watch 21 and you will see how it is done.

Remember that this will trow you out of the casino, as it is against house rules (exactly because it turns the odds in your favor and the house does not like that).

You can play all the games for fun and beat them each time, but in real casino, as I said few posts above, they do everything to figure them and forbit them and they ban anyone who try to use them in order to turn the odds in his favor Wink

Counting cards requires good memory. Math won't help you if you can't remember cards.

If you can not remember 1+1 = 2
The math will not work for you...

Counting cards gives you the input for the math you need to do to see the odds.

btw counting cards is just starting from 0 and doing math +1 or -1 => didn't know you do not know what card counting is and still try to make smart comments Wink

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To win in gambling not only maths will help you have to apply on the right timing and at the right move. Otherwise maths has no use in gambling to win. To win in gambling along with maths smartness and the strategic move only lead you to win.

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Quote from: justspare on November 16, 2017, 06:52:33 AM

Quote from: btcrich on November 11, 2017, 06:42:32 PM

Quote from: Come on! on November 10, 2017, 03:44:13 AM

Yes, when the game is all about numbers and you have super natural mind that can calculate the probable result of the game. But in sport, analysis is really needed.

I figured that out recently Tongue

even a super computer cannot calculate the probable results and i understand your pun . Wink

There are some cards games that you could win if you have a sharp mind and some good calculations ,other than that math wont help you in gambling,it is all about your luck,when it comes to sporting events you can have the closest probability but not a certain win.

Math cannot help you win gambling at all. At least not according to my experience I have been good at math in the high school but when I started to gamble probably few years back, I found that there are no any sort of strategies that could be applied to win the game if opponent player has luck by his side. So all one needs is luck.

Yes the math could help him to calculate his losses and wins and moreover, it is an easy way to enhance your mental skills and focus on the game that could to some extent improve the chances of winning.

It's not as much hardcore math as it is statistics and probability, but they do go hand in hand with maths so in the bigger picture I guess you can say that maths can help you win in gambling, but don't bank on it! Luck is always a factor as well as off days etc.. (depending on what you are gambling on).

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Quote from: btcrich on November 11, 2017, 06:42:32 PM

Quote from: Come on! on November 10, 2017, 03:44:13 AM

Yes, when the game is all about numbers and you have super natural mind that can calculate the probable result of the game. But in sport, analysis is really needed.

I figured that out recently Tongue

even a super computer cannot calculate the probable results and i understand your pun . Wink

There are some cards games that you could win if you have a sharp mind and some good calculations ,other than that math wont help you in gambling,it is all about your luck,when it comes to sporting events you can have the closest probability but not a certain win.

Math cannot help you win gambling at all. At least not according to my experience I have been good at math in the high school but when I started to gamble probably few years back, I found that there are no any sort of strategies that could be applied to win the game if opponent player has luck by his side. So all one needs is luck.

Yes the math could help him to calculate his losses and wins and moreover, it is an easy way to enhance your mental skills and focus on the game that could to some extent improve the chances of winning.

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Quote from: marlboroza on November 11, 2017, 08:57:24 AM

Quote from: Come on! on November 10, 2017, 03:44:13 AM

Yes, when the game is all about numbers and you have super natural mind that can calculate the probable result of the game. But in sport, analysis is really needed.

Wait a minute, calculation of results?
Last time I checked no matter you do you can't calculate outcome.
Are you sure you are talking about gambling?

Quote from: BabyBoss on November 11, 2017, 07:58:21 AM

Ofcourse maths helps you to win the game because math is also knowledge and we all know that knowing math is also knowledge and knowledge is always needed to win the game.

And earth is round because earth is round and we all know that earth is round. LOL!

In which game math helped you to win?

No you haven’t proved your statement well enough .There is no any type of gambling which requires you to be good at math for confirming your success. Al that you need is a great amount of good luck and also focus when you are playing games such as dice or poker. If anyone is good at math, then all that is better for him quick calculations of the loss and profit and nothing else.

I myself have experienced this that even if I am not liking math much as a subject, I have made to earn much via gambling through the dice games.

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Quote from: J Gambler on November 16, 2017, 03:58:35 AM

Quote from: bajing on September 27, 2017, 07:14:30 AM

I just read one article that's about math can help you win at roulette game then i want ask with you all, did you believe math can affect to gambling games? i'm not expert in math so i don't know

this is the article that i readed.
http://theconversation.com/can-maths-help-you-win-at-roulette-69440

Mathematics is the key to have a chance at gambling because it enables you to be able to calculate the chances that you have to take or to know the odds of winning this by going through it. Math helps you see what cards are left and the chances of what you can draw thus can help build a strategy

For sure.. The best math you can use though, (Everyone can even count on this one, it's not that hard), is: Can I win?: Yes. Can I lose?: Yes. So basically it's 50/50. Good enough odds for me.. Well after the house take their 1-2% edge and you end up with 49/49 or so. Close enough to call it fifty fifty haha.

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Quote from: Wall-ET on November 16, 2017, 03:44:41 AM

Quote from: leex1528 on November 15, 2017, 12:34:50 PM

Quote from: BlackPanda on November 14, 2017, 10:44:19 PM

Quote from: leex1528 on November 14, 2017, 12:53:44 PM

This is sort of an odd question, and I haven't read people stating this in this thread, which is the correct answer.

Math of course can help you improve your chances of winning. The problem is, even though you improve your chance, it still not a positive % that you are going to win, or the expected value is still negative, meaning, the more you play the more likely you are to lose. But yes, Math absolutely improves your chances of winning.

I do not think mathematics can determine victory in the gambling game. mathematics can not show us that gambling is a sure thing, mathematics is just a calculation and it will not apply to gambling games. gambling game is very influential to luck so we can not see what will happen in the future. gambling game is unpredictable and it is a sure thing !! so if you do not want to take a high risk then I suggest never to play gambling. gambling game only for those who dare to take risks and not afraid to lose the money they have.

Wrong, all games are based on math, there isn't a game in the casino that is not based on math. Knowing the math can help improve your odds, but you will never be favored to win. Look at basic strategy for Blackjack, the BETTER the player plays(according to math) the more he improves his chances to 50% win ratio, but they will never ever get to 50%, house always has the edge.

Well counting cards (in the BJ example) does give you edge, that's why casino forbid it in any possible way.

Also doing the math to see when you have bigger odds to win and then going BIG and when odds are low you go min bet, then you can have the odds in your favor.
Just watch 21 and you will see how it is done.

Remember that this will trow you out of the casino, as it is against house rules (exactly because it turns the odds in your favor and the house does not like that).

You can play all the games for fun and beat them each time, but in real casino, as I said few posts above, they do everything to figure them and forbit them and they ban anyone who try to use them in order to turn the odds in his favor Wink

Counting cards requires good memory. Math won't help you if you can't remember cards.

Quote from: J Gambler on November 16, 2017, 03:58:35 AM

Mathematics is the key to have a chance at gambling because it enables you to be able to calculate the chances that you have to take or to know the odds of winning this by going through it. Math helps you see what cards are left and the chances of what you can draw thus can help build a strategy

Ok, and when you do calculate your odds and realize that house has advantage over you, how is math going to help you to win?

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Quote from: bajing on September 27, 2017, 07:14:30 AM

I just read one article that's about math can help you win at roulette game then i want ask with you all, did you believe math can affect to gambling games? i'm not expert in math so i don't know

this is the article that i readed.
http://theconversation.com/can-maths-help-you-win-at-roulette-69440

Mathematics is the key to have a chance at gambling because it enables you to be able to calculate the chances that you have to take or to know the odds of winning this by going through it. Math helps you see what cards are left and the chances of what you can draw thus can help build a strategy

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Quote from: leex1528 on November 15, 2017, 12:34:50 PM

Quote from: BlackPanda on November 14, 2017, 10:44:19 PM

Quote from: leex1528 on November 14, 2017, 12:53:44 PM

This is sort of an odd question, and I haven't read people stating this in this thread, which is the correct answer.

Math of course can help you improve your chances of winning. The problem is, even though you improve your chance, it still not a positive % that you are going to win, or the expected value is still negative, meaning, the more you play the more likely you are to lose. But yes, Math absolutely improves your chances of winning.

I do not think mathematics can determine victory in the gambling game. mathematics can not show us that gambling is a sure thing, mathematics is just a calculation and it will not apply to gambling games. gambling game is very influential to luck so we can not see what will happen in the future. gambling game is unpredictable and it is a sure thing !! so if you do not want to take a high risk then I suggest never to play gambling. gambling game only for those who dare to take risks and not afraid to lose the money they have.

Wrong, all games are based on math, there isn't a game in the casino that is not based on math. Knowing the math can help improve your odds, but you will never be favored to win. Look at basic strategy for Blackjack, the BETTER the player plays(according to math) the more he improves his chances to 50% win ratio, but they will never ever get to 50%, house always has the edge.

Well counting cards (in the BJ example) does give you edge, that's why casino forbid it in any possible way.

Also doing the math to see when you have bigger odds to win and then going BIG and when odds are low you go min bet, then you can have the odds in your favor.
Just watch 21 and you will see how it is done.

Remember that this will trow you out of the casino, as it is against house rules (exactly because it turns the odds in your favor and the house does not like that).

You can play all the games for fun and beat them each time, but in real casino, as I said few posts above, they do everything to figure them and forbit them and they ban anyone who try to use them in order to turn the odds in his favor Wink

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Quote from: BlackPanda on November 14, 2017, 10:44:19 PM

Quote from: leex1528 on November 14, 2017, 12:53:44 PM

This is sort of an odd question, and I haven't read people stating this in this thread, which is the correct answer.

Math of course can help you improve your chances of winning. The problem is, even though you improve your chance, it still not a positive % that you are going to win, or the expected value is still negative, meaning, the more you play the more likely you are to lose. But yes, Math absolutely improves your chances of winning.

I do not think mathematics can determine victory in the gambling game. mathematics can not show us that gambling is a sure thing, mathematics is just a calculation and it will not apply to gambling games. gambling game is very influential to luck so we can not see what will happen in the future. gambling game is unpredictable and it is a sure thing !! so if you do not want to take a high risk then I suggest never to play gambling. gambling game only for those who dare to take risks and not afraid to lose the money they have.

Wrong, all games are based on math, there isn't a game in the casino that is not based on math. Knowing the math can help improve your odds, but you will never be favored to win. Look at basic strategy for Blackjack, the BETTER the player plays(according to math) the more he improves his chances to 50% win ratio, but they will never ever get to 50%, house always has the edge.

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