Can maths help you win in gambling ? - page 23.

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Quote from: bajing on September 27, 2017, 06:14:30 AM

I just read one article that's about math can help you win at roulette game then i want ask with you all, did you believe math can affect to gambling games? i'm not expert in math so i don't know

this is the article that i readed.
http://theconversation.com/can-maths-help-you-win-at-roulette-69440

I doubt if math can help you with gambling. You can do it if you are playing cards by just doing statistics and remembering cards while playing, but it requires a lot of brain powers. Gambling sometimes depends on pure luck. If you are not lucky, you will lose often and might end up losing a lot of money.

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Quote from: Zero_Cloo on November 30, 2017, 04:56:01 AM

If you're good enough at math you can win consistently at gambling. Not at all gambling - a big part of what the math is there for is to make sure you're always in profitable situations. It will never magically make you win at roulette. But it will let you identify the games and situations you can win at, and if you stick to them you will make money in the long term.

^^^^ Finally, a confirmation that all logic is not lost here. These guys play games that are mathematically losing propositions and then they complain that math can't help them win. It is ridiculous ---> if they did the math then they wouldn't play the games with negative expected values in the first place!

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Maybe in the 50's or 60's when the casino itself knew they were getting winnings from customers.

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Quote from: Zero_Cloo on November 30, 2017, 04:56:01 AM

If you're good enough at math you can win consistently at gambling. Not at all gambling - a big part of what the math is there for is to make sure you're always in profitable situations. It will never magically make you win at roulette. But it will let you identify the games and situations you can win at, and if you stick to them you will make money in the long term.

Not really. Math cannot change the fact that most gambling games are probability based only and cannot really be affected by anything else. Once you spun the wheel there is no other thing you can do about it. It will be a win or a lose no matter if you are a mathematical genius. The only thing you will have if you use math is that you will realize that it can't help and that you know what are the chances you will win or lose in one game or in the long run.

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Quote from: TheKeyLongThumbI on November 30, 2017, 02:37:42 AM

Math is very different on how gambling works. Math is all about computations while gambling is picking or betting any number or sides from your own guesses. The outcome to mathematics is always the right number while the outcome of gambling is a random number.

if you dont know about this then perhaps you should google and see that every gambling site is made up from match computation. Without the math computation then there wont be any game that we can play . Even when we are using provably fair to verify if we win or lose, it uses math computation to figure everything out for us

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If you're good enough at math you can win consistently at gambling. Not at all gambling - a big part of what the math is there for is to make sure you're always in profitable situations. It will never magically make you win at roulette. But it will let you identify the games and situations you can win at, and if you stick to them you will make money in the long term.

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If the type of gambling you're getting into is matched betting or Poker, then of course math can help you win. You can calculate the odds of certain hands appearing, calculate your value bets etc.

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I thought it was not about if your a mathatician but based on my experience those gamblers who are expert are good in their math subject ,but I know it depends on luck because we have no statistical explanation when we play gambling.It a luck when you are winning on it and no skills to learn because we not know what happen in a game.

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Quote from: Dodoymabs on November 29, 2017, 08:11:43 PM

Quote from: wxxyrqa on November 26, 2017, 01:25:28 PM

Quote from: Bladeking on November 26, 2017, 01:58:22 AM

Indeed for gambling we have lots of confusion in it, because it is in gambling we also sometimes confused as to whether that was done right or wrong. But indeed to be able to get many of the advantages we also need calculations i.e. math, because every gambling also have the techniques or strategies so that they can get the victory. If it does not we do or we just let go about what we do, then the results will be obtained as just an unfortunate thing.

The fact is that in most cases, those people who play gambling and who met me, are not more than lucky in this matter. But I've heard a lot of stories about the fact that it is the math experts who are good players. But this was still hoped for by anyone.

Being good at math is an advantage when you're involved in gambling. Especially playing cards because you need to calculate and analyze what was already thrown away. But in other cases like playing dice and roulette it does not require math only lucky is your hope.

In gambling being good in math is not necessary as long as you know the basic mathematics computations. I don't think if you have time to compute the probable of your bet to win. Its just waste your time, all of it will depends on your luck. Expertise in math in gambling is just the same to those who are not good in math, even if they try to computer the probabilty and statistics of every game still the percentage to win is less beacuse in the end it will depends on your fortune.

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Quote from: TheKeyLongThumbI on November 30, 2017, 02:37:42 AM

Math is very different on how gambling works. Math is all about computations while gambling is picking or betting any number or sides from your own guesses. The outcome to mathematics is always the right number while the outcome of gambling is a random number.

Are you trying to tell us that calculating probabilities is not math? That standard deviations, normal curves, variance, and all the formulas applied in statistical analysis are not real? They are real and the casinos employ them when they are creating their games ---> they understand the math and that's why they win!

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Math is very different on how gambling works. Math is all about computations while gambling is picking or betting any number or sides from your own guesses. The outcome to mathematics is always the right number while the outcome of gambling is a random number.

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The people in this thread who are subscribing to the "gambling is all luck and no math" ideology are the reason casinos operators are getting so wealthy! As long as you keep believing that it is all luck and no math, the casino operators will continue to generate a steady income. If you understood the math ---> you wouldn't be throwing away your money!

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Quote from: Aikidoka on November 26, 2017, 02:39:22 PM

Quote from: ausbit on November 23, 2017, 05:19:32 AM

Mathematics is very useful in our everyday life. My teacher told us that if we want to get rich, we must first be financially intelligent. He also told us that if we are sad, all we can do is reach for a calculator and compute for the amount of money we might own in the future.

Math is helpful in gambling because you can learn about the probabilities and chances that is happening in gambling. Gambling is always a risk because there are gambles that the lose chances are higher than the chances of winning.

I like the example of your teacher. However, dreaming without commitment is not sufficient enough to reach your goal and be rich. For me, I do not need math to gamble and it does not help me to win. All I need and require is a logical mind and a mind of prediction.

It is a fact that math is logic, but my logic is different. I use logic based on common sense and other different things that allow me to predict and win without attempting to calculate.

I don't think that math or anything can help a gambler to win his bets. In random games, we cannot make accurate predictions and Gambling is a random game. If not all then most of the games that are played in casinos are pure luck.

For examples, roulette dice and slot are unpredictable. We can find the probability of an outcome and nothing else can be calculated, not with a good accuracy rate.

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Quote from: wxxyrqa on November 26, 2017, 01:25:28 PM

Quote from: Bladeking on November 26, 2017, 01:58:22 AM

Indeed for gambling we have lots of confusion in it, because it is in gambling we also sometimes confused as to whether that was done right or wrong. But indeed to be able to get many of the advantages we also need calculations i.e. math, because every gambling also have the techniques or strategies so that they can get the victory. If it does not we do or we just let go about what we do, then the results will be obtained as just an unfortunate thing.

The fact is that in most cases, those people who play gambling and who met me, are not more than lucky in this matter. But I've heard a lot of stories about the fact that it is the math experts who are good players. But this was still hoped for by anyone.

Being good at math is an advantage when you're involved in gambling. Especially playing cards because you need to calculate and analyze what was already thrown away. But in other cases like playing dice and roulette it does not require math only lucky is your hope.

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Grrrrr!

Anybody who says that math can't help is delusional.

If we played heads or tails, and the rules were that heads you pay me 1.2 cents and tails I pay you 1.0 cents, then I would win your money in the long run because by probability the number of heads rolled would closely approximate the number of tails rolled in large samples, right?

That's how it works when you play against house odds ---> they just mix the math up so you don't realize it.

That's why math is important. It helps you decide if the game is going to work with you or against you. If the odds are against you, like above, find another game in which the odds are in your favor. In other words, find a mark that will take your 1.2 to 1 bet, as above ---> find somebody who thinks gambling is all luck and no math ---> that's how you win!

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Quote from: RealPhotoshoper on November 29, 2017, 09:12:27 AM

At least with math you can see the odds how much you win the game , will it be worth or not etc.
But yeaa i don't know if there is a certain technical way to do math to make you have higher chance to win.
For me Those people who knows well about math might stay away from gambling just like what einstein said about to win a game on roulette always impossible .

We can only know the odds but we know that even with maths we cant win the game. So for me it is just to troublesome to figure things out with math. It is better to just let everything flow in accordance to what the thing is. We cant win in gambling and we need to be aware of that. That is why it is better to forget everything and just play for fun

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Quote from: mirakal on November 25, 2017, 07:14:14 PM

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Quote from: bajing on September 27, 2017, 06:14:30 AM

I just read one article that's about math can help you win at roulette game then i want ask with you all, did you believe math can affect to gambling games? i'm not expert in math so i don't know

this is the article that i readed.
http://theconversation.com/can-maths-help-you-win-at-roulette-69440

Maybe math can help us win on roulette or in dice games in terms of calculating how much reds will go for our bankroll. But still in gambling we still need some luck and must know how to stop when we have profit and not to be greedy....

They are random, math cannot help you to choose the correct bet but it can only help you to manage your bankroll.
It's a game where we have to consider playing it for fun only since there is a house edge and you will never win in the long run, let's be matured and know the difference of skilled based games to luck based, so we will decide on how we are going to manage our bets and bankroll.

At least with math you can see the odds how much you win the game , will it be worth or not etc.
But yeaa i don't know if there is a certain technical way to do math to make you have higher chance to win.
For me Those people who knows well about math might stay away from gambling just like what einstein said about to win a game on roulette always impossible .

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Quote from: marlboroza on November 25, 2017, 10:17:04 AM

Quote from: Wall-ET on November 24, 2017, 08:56:19 AM

This is all you need. In fact if you are able to calculate when to bet and how much to bet you can win in any game.

Let's say you toss a coin.
You got only two options heads or tails.
so it will monitor and tell you when to bet.
As for the first toss to be hears (or tails) is 50% it will tell you to bet 0.
Second time to toss heads again has fallen to 25% and so on until you decide you are ok to bet.
So if you say it is only luck, and you are totally unlucky, you can set this to be lower then 1%.
So once you hit that odds you make a bet and you win, if not you can then double your bet and so on until you win, as by then the possibility will get insane low (better chance to be killed by alien bacteria that has just arrived from a meteoroid that has just landed on the other side of the platen in the next 5 seconds...

So no matter how unlucky you are math can help you win in any game of chance, you just need to understand the math and know how to use it.

I can't believe what I am reading.
You sound like you know all gambling secrets, how to beat casino and I wonder why do you wear signature when you can beat casino with your math and strategies.
Also this whole toss story is wrong. You can toss coin 50 times, bet on head and it can fall on head 51 times, each roll is independent and your chance is always 50%, no matter how many times you toss coin. Chance for such combination(51 heads) is 0.0000000000001% but that is something different.

Honestly I don't understand one thing why people put this much effort in gambling. It is just a game so take it as a game. There’s no need to go through all these troubles and difficult calculations, wearing out your brain spending a lot of time and even then do not coming up with a perfect solution. It’s better to live a cool life and put your efforts in the right direction. Play small bets and enjoy.

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of course maths can help in gambling, I would never gamble on something that has a very bad return on investment, for example 10% chance to win 5x is super bad. Thats why I love sports betting and poker because you can avoid bad deals

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Quote from: jennywhzz on November 27, 2017, 02:01:21 PM

Quote from: wxxyrqa on November 26, 2017, 01:25:28 PM

Quote from: Bladeking on November 26, 2017, 01:58:22 AM

Indeed for gambling we have lots of confusion in it, because it is in gambling we also sometimes confused as to whether that was done right or wrong. But indeed to be able to get many of the advantages we also need calculations i.e. math, because every gambling also have the techniques or strategies so that they can get the victory. If it does not we do or we just let go about what we do, then the results will be obtained as just an unfortunate thing.

The fact is that in most cases, those people who play gambling and who met me, are not more than lucky in this matter. But I've heard a lot of stories about the fact that it is the math experts who are good players. But this was still hoped for by anyone.

I just don't get it, how can Math play any role in gambling. Gambling is just by luck and you don;t need to be expert in complex mathematical formulas to be able to win in gambling. We have Dice games, slot games , numbers games where there is no use of maths. Maybe if you are a developer than Math can really help in developing a more strategic site buy only playing gambling needs no math. Wink

May I ask: How do the casinos always win? Are they just very lucky? Or, do they have math in their favor? The main thing to understand is that it is ALL math ---> ALL OF IT IS MATH! If you play when the odds are against you because you believe in "luck" and you lose, it's your fault for not believing the math. Math helps you to understand when the odds are against you. Do the math and if the math demonstrates that the odds are against you, then don't play that game ---> Find an event where the odds are in your favor <---- It's that easy!

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